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I had intense fear and panic because we were obviously crashing. Out of my heart came the
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thought, oh god help, I'm going to die.
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From the time that they pronounced me dead was a good 45 minutes.
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It's determined that I was not breathing for 20 minutes.
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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped. And I could
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see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realise that was actually my physical body
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because I was somewhere else.
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By which you went to the past far, in the afternoon, by half past seven I was dead, clinically
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dead, four minutes.
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And they were crying because I was dead and I was trying to tell them no, I'm not dead,
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I'm just fine, I'm okay.
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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.
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I started to feel like I was surrounded by all this warm, loving, beautiful, soothing,
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loving energy.
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I'm back with God again. I just felt this all in my two breath of these, like, wow,
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I'm back.
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I'm back home again.
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Incredibly safe and felt at home. I'd come back home. It was a very strong feeling that
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I've come back home.
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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
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anything else to be felt.
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And light is literally emitting from him. And I could feel that that tremendous amount
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of love was coming through him as well.
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They were brighter than everybody else. And I just knew who they were.
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Welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody. And I cannot tell you how excited I am for this
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show today because of our guest, Brooke Jones, who I spoke to a few days ago and we had a
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riot.
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So today, oh boy, most near-death experiences, we talk about them kind of reverently and
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somberly. And today is not going to be that way. I can promise you that because Brooke
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is a riot.
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Brooke, say hello.
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Hello. Hello, everybody. Nice to be here. Thanks for inviting me, Eric. I really appreciate
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it.
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You are very welcome. I'm not sure how to introduce you because you don't have one of those boring
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bios. So I'm going to throw out a few things and you tell me if these are accurate or not,
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okay?
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Okay.
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So I'll introduce you to a writer for all kinds of things. What have you written besides
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books?
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I have ghostwritten several movies in Hollywood which, you know, don't tell anybody because
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the writer's guilt doesn't allow that. So, you know, I can't talk about it. And that's
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why my name doesn't appear anywhere because ghostwriting is not acceptable in the film
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community.
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I have a blog. I was a political satirist on stage and on the radio in Los Angeles for
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many years. And now thanks to cancer and advancing decrepitude, I'm instead of being a standup
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comic, I'm a sit-down comic. And my political satire that I used to do on the radio I now
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do on my blog, What If.
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Is decrepitude a real word?
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Yeah, actually it is.
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Okay. I thought maybe you made that one up.
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I do make up words occasionally. It's one of my favorite things to do. But no, decrepitude
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really exists. It's a thing.
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Your book is called Why Are There Monkeys? And in a few minutes everybody's going to
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know why that title is. But I wanted to read one of the reviews that somebody wrote about
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your book because I think it probably describes you. And you can decrepitude my inspiration
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on that or not. But it says it's both flagrantly irreverent and strikingly inspirational.
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Bruce Grayson, Dr. Bruce Grayson, yes. The co-founder of Ions and the world's leading
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expert in the science of near-death experience. And yeah, he read my book and loved it and
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wrote a review, including the words you just spoke.
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Okay. Let's go back in history just a little bit so people know where you came from. Okay,
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this is another of, did I get this accurate or not? Were you a hippie in the 60s?
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Absolutely. And I take issue with the past tense of that phrase.
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Are you still a hippie?
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Of course. Of course I am.
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I don't see any love beads. I told you not to dress up because there's no video. That's
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why. Oh, you have a malla.
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Yeah, I do because I'm a Buddhist. I don't refer to myself as a hippie anymore, but if
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one was back in the day, then one is because unless your politics suddenly changed, you
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still believe the wonderful things we believe back in the day. You just aren't quite as
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dumb as we all tended to be back in the day. But now I refer to myself now as a gypsy crone
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instead of a hippie, but all the same.
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And you live in an artistic town, don't you?
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Well, I was, gosh, I was in San Francisco for many years. I was in Los Angeles for many
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years and then I moved to Eugene, Oregon, which is, yeah, a lot of people say it's the new
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San Francisco. It isn't the new San Francisco. It's just Eugene. And it's a very interesting
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town. It has a university, but you know, it's a very incestuous town also. And Cowboys
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everywhere. And I kind of describe it as Omaha with an ocean view sort of, but you know,
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we won't, we won't bother to go into that. But yeah, I lived in Eugene for many years
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and now I live north of Eugene, but still in the Pacific Northwest.
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Well, I'm going to encourage everybody to grab their frosty mug of Diet Coke like I
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have because we're going to have some fun today. There are not many people that during
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their near death experience have an opportunity to sit down and ask God all kinds of questions.
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And I don't know if they don't have the opportunity or if they don't have the guts or the gumption
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or just what it is, but Brooke couldn't help herself. And that's what happened. So please
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take us back to when you had this experience. What led up to it?
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This experience occurred when I was 25 years old. I had just turned 25 and as any really
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honest 25 year olds can tell you, we're pretty dumb at that age. I mean, our brains haven't
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even completely fully developed, but yeah, we tend to still be doing really dumb things.
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And I was 25 and doing lots of really dumb things. And I had a party. And it was as I
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said, just after my birthday, a couple of friends came over and they brought some party
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favors. And I as many at that age do believe that I was bulletproof. And you know, so I
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said, Oh yeah, let's do this. And I did some drugs. Nobody in the right mind should do
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and I overdosed and you died and I died for eight minutes. I was legally dead for eight
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minutes. Okay, walk us through it. I want the details. What happened? Okay. Um, I have
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been a child of the sixties as I am I had seen overdoses, I knew what they looked like and
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I knew I was having one. And even though at that point in my life, I was what I referred
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to as a closet agnostic. It wasn't that I didn't believe in God, it was just that I had never
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seen any evidence of it. So you know, one way or the other, I was pretty indifferent.
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But there I was dying. And I suddenly found myself doing something I don't do. I started
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praying and chanting and picturing every Hollywood actor who had ever portrayed Jesus. And I'm
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chanting to a frame picture of Swami Satya Dananda that was on my dresser just in front
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of me because I studied with him years before. And then I took my last breath and I was dead.
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Now this was 1975. And if Dr. Raymond Moody had already published his book, I hadn't seen
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it. And I had never yet heard the phrase near death experience. It hadn't yet become
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the, you know, point of the realm that it is now. So the whole traffic tunnel and white
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light and all of that that is now iconic at this point, I'd never heard of. So I had nothing
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to relate to when I suddenly found myself moving through a tunnel that was quite literally,
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at least from what I could tell, made of light. And I wasn't walking through this tunnel.
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It felt as if I was being carried through it. And this tunnel, it felt alive. It seemed
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to breathe. And it carried me until it wasn't carrying me anymore. And I was suddenly standing.
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But I couldn't tell what I was standing on because I couldn't see anything. And it wasn't
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that I was blind. It's that there wasn't anything there. I mean, nothing. All I saw was I want
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to call it a fog, but it wasn't like any fog that I had seen here on earth. And this light
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that didn't really seem like a light when you turn on a light bulb, there was something
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very organic about it. And it literally felt alive. And I looked around and I saw nothing.
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Nobody. I don't know what I was standing on. I looked down. I didn't see anything, but
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I was standing. And I called out. I mean, hello, hello. Anybody home? Anybody here?
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And I didn't get any answers. And I didn't hear any responses. And I finally got frustrated.
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And I just said, can somebody please tell me where the hell I am? Bam. That's when I heard
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the voice. So voice I now say, made Darth Vader sound like Mickey Mouse. It was that
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deep and molyphous and beautiful and gentle and resonant. And it said, watch your language.
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Remember where you are. But you didn't know where you were. Bingo, which is what I said.
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I would gladly remember where I was. But to do that, I'd have to first find out where
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I was. So I repeat, where am I? I'm going to answer. And then I voice said, you're at
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my front door. And then I said, that's nice. But who are you? And that's when the conversation
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got really interesting. And immediately somehow, I knew. I knew that voice that I was hearing.
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And I need to qualify that it wasn't hearing the way you and I are talking now and I'm
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hearing you and you're hearing me. It was as if my body had become a celestial tuning
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fork and every sound that the voice uttered resonated throughout every cell of my body.
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And suddenly I knew. And I said, apparently, oh, my God, the voice laughing Lee said, by
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Joe, I think she's got it. Boom. And we're off and running. And I was standing at God's
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front door talking to God. And I said, may I ask questions? And the voice said, of course,
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I said, will you give me the answers? And the voice said, we'll see, which made me a
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little crazy, because that was my mother's favorite expression in life. And whenever
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she said, see, it always meant, no, I figured I'll just do this one step at a time.
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Are you seeing anything at this point or just hearing? Well, or absorbing this?
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I'm feeling it. It's resonating through me. But no, there was nothing to see. It was like
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I was in some kind of celestial vacuum that was lit by something that felt alive. Knowing
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that I was in a realm beyond this one, none of the words that we use, and I only speak
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a couple of languages, but none of them offer words that really explain what it was that
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I saw or experienced, because all of that exists in a world quite beyond the world we're living
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in right now. So every word that I use to describe my experience, you just have to,
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you know, go with me here. I'm doing the best I can, but it requires sort of inventing language
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for things that don't really have words, don't have names, don't exist in this world. So,
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okay, there I was in the other realm, the other world, the other side of the veil, whatever
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words you want to use, that's where I was. And one of the earliest questions I asked
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was what to call this being. And I did that only after I finally was able to say, are
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you male or female? And God left. And I'll get to laughter in a second. But the response
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I got when I said, are you male or female was, why does everybody ask me that? Uh-oh,
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I've just asked me a question. Oh, now I'm really in trouble. There's just no way. So
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I said, why are you asking me? And he said, well, you know, where's it written that I
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know everything? I said, Oh, I don't know. How about the Bible? And he went, No, actually,
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it's not. And then we had a really long talk about the Bible. But in between those two
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conversations, when I said, What do I call you? I mean, Jesus, Lord, Yahweh, Allah,
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Father, what? And he said, I've been called all of those and many more. But the truth
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is it doesn't make any difference what you call me, because your names for me don't define
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me. In other words, whatever names we use to define that divine being the Creator,
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the Father, whatever you want to call it, Him, they, them, doesn't matter. It's totally
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okay with that being because that word, that name is our own invention for something way
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bigger than we are. And he doesn't care. And when I say, He, I have to again say, Hang
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on, because I did ask, are you male or female? And finally, I got an answer on this molyphluous
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pageant goal, fabulous, most obviously, masculine voice I'd ever heard said, I am neither. And
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then the most profoundly feminine, gentle, maternal, sweet voice said, And then again,
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we're both. Hello, are you still with me? I think if I hadn't already been dead, the
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shock of all of this would have killed me. But I just kept going and asking and if I
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had been older at the time that this happened, I'm sure I would have asked far more profound
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questions. But I was 25, 25 year olds tend to be idiots, at least I was an idiot at
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25. So all I could do was ask the best questions that occurred to me at that time in that place.
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And that's what I did. Let's hear some of the others.
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Okay, I actually even asked about reincarnation. And I said, does it happen? Is it real? I
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mean, Shirley MacLaine has been saying since forever that she's, you know, been here a
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few times in a few different lives. And by the way, as a matter of fact, I sent Shirley
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a copy of the book, I haven't heard from her yet, but that's okay. And so I was asking,
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do we become something else? Do we have another life after that life? And the Shirley MacLaine
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right when she says that she has been reincarnated. And his response to that was you don't need
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that answer because that has nothing to do with you. It's none of your business. And
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I said, well, okay, is reincarnation real? Has it happened? He said, yes. I said, when
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he said again, not your business. When it has to happen, it happens. So I moved right
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along and I said, what about I figured this was a perfect opportunity to ask about death.
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We have one life. We're born, we live, we die, the end. And the answer to that is no.
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And though it took me a long time to assimilate everything I had learned once I came back,
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this particular question and answer session might have been one of the most profound.
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And as I thought about it after the fact made perfect sense to me and still does. And I'm
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surprised that it doesn't to everybody. It was explained to me this way. We spend nine
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months, you know, give or take in the water environment in our mother's womb before we're
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born, we're not even breathing air. What happens when mom goes into labor, and we are forced
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down that birth canal and out? Do we die? Well, yeah, sort of, because the life in that environment
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ended. So we have died to that life those nine months that incubation period, we were alive.
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And then we were born into another life in any way you look at it, the life we have once
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we're born is different from the life just prior to being born. I mean, we're breathing
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air, we eventually can talk and feed ourselves and all things you can't do in nine months
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when you're connected to a placenta and you're not breathing. We live our lives. We do what
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we do. We make choices and that's a big deal I'll get back to. And at some point eventually
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this life as as as does everything that lives comes to an end. But death is no more an end
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than birth. It's a doorway. Just as the birth process was a door from one life to another,
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what we call death is nothing but a doorway from this life to our next.
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No, I think that makes perfect sense. And I think some people might even call that reincarnation.
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I wouldn't, but you know, I hear the term reincarnation quite a bit in interviewing people and I think
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there's lots of different definitions of exactly what that can be and that's okay. But yeah,
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we go from one place to another. The doorway makes sense. Then what's next? Did he tell
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you anything about that after the doorway through death?
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Let's talk about karma for a second because that came up also. Okay, what is karma and
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there are millions of people who live their lives by it and there are millions of people
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who think it's a bunch of you know, horse pucky. The funny thing is karma is no more
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than Newtonian laws of physics. There's nothing airy fairy about karma karma says what you
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put out, you get back. Well, hello, the basic underlying laws of physics say what goes around
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comes around.
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Yeah, equal and opposite reaction.
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Yes, nothing happens by itself.
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And quantum physics says the same thing.
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Absolutely. And that's all karma is. Energy we put out there and we put energy out.
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With our thoughts, we put energy out with our actions, we put energy out into the world
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with our words. Every single thing we do, think or say puts energy into the world, whether
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that energy is positive or negative depends on us. What is it you are sharing with the
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people with whom you live with the teller at the bank with the cop who stops you for
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speeding? What is it you are sharing you are sharing energy? Are you sharing positive
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energy? Are you offering peace and compassion? Or are you angry and offering negative energy
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and there is such a thing as negative energy and yes, it causes harm. We in our own bodies
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have got to eventually accept the reality even medical science understands this that
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our own emotional components have very, very strong effect on our physical health. Why?
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Energy.
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What is energy?
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It's a vibration.
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Now, let me ask you to do me a favor. Hold your hand up, Eric. Hold your hand. Okay,
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now look at your hand. Is it moving?
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No.
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Wrong. I know it looks like it isn't, but and you know where I'm going here. Every
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single cell in our bodies is made of millions and bajillions of neutrons, protons, electrons,
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atoms, molecules, and they all vibrate. They are never still. We are moving. Even if you
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don't see it, every single square inch centimeter and molecule of your body is moving right
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now.
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And there's actually space in between each of them too.
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Absolutely.
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Which is a little freaky to try to think because we can't see the space.
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Right. But we accept that it exists when we look up in the sky and we see a space between
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two clouds. There is a space there. There is a gap. What is that? Well, it's cloud there,
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cloud there, not cloud there, but that's not a black hole in between. It's just something
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other than that cloud and that cloud. But anyway, the vibrations of our bodies, the
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vibrations of our thoughts, the vibrations of our emotions don't just affect us. They
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affect absolutely every living being on this planet because the energy comes out of us
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and into the world and affects everything with whom it comes in contact. It can't help
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but do that. It cannot do otherwise. Again, that's not airy fairy stuff. That's physics.
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What we put out there affects everything. Trees, flowers, dogs, other people, birds,
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every single shred of energy that comes off of you from your thoughts, your words, your
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needs, your emotions, affects with an air. Everything, everyone around you. It can't
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do otherwise. When we talk about karma, what we do does come back to us. If we give, it
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comes back. If we act with hostility, that hostility is going to come back to you. Maybe
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not tomorrow, maybe not a week from Tuesday, but eventually what you do unto others will
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be done unto you. That again is not airy fairy stuff. That's physics.
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A lot of people, one of the things that they learn during their NDE is that we are all
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connected. I've heard that word so many times. We're all connected. I think you just explained
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how some of that works. The fact that if I do something, it affects you, it affects this
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person and that person, that's part of the connection. I want to ask you, I promised
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everybody that we would figure out the question, why are there monkeys as the name of your
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book? Is that something that you ask God? Yes. Okay. Tell me about that. As you probably
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know, Charles Darwin postulated the origin of species. In his theory, which became known
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as the theory of evolution, the human race, before there were human beings, there were
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monkeys. They evolved because evolution is life. Everything in life changes. Without
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change, there's nothing but death. In order to grow, you must evolve. Again, that's just
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basic science. When Darwin postulated that the human race evolved from what had been
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monkeys, and wrote books about it, he took a lot of flak from his environment. This was
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the 19th century at this point. He'd been spending a lot of time with turtles and the
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people off of those islands. But he was quite certain that he knew what he was talking about.
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In fact, pretty much he did know what he was talking about. During my conversation with
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the divine, the creator, the father, the Irving, whatever you want to call him, he doesn't
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care, I said, why, if the human race evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?
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Didn't they all have turned into people by now?
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I like the question. That was the genesis of the title of the book, Why Are There Monkeys?
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There are answers that I could give in abbreviated form during this conversation, Eric. But a
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lot of it would make a whole lot more sense if you were to read the book. The whole book
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takes two hours to read. It's an ee-ee-bitty little book. The backstory of the answers
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makes the answer much more interesting than an answer I could give right now. I told it
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to you right now, it wouldn't have the same impact.
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That's okay. That's a bunch of teasers for the listeners if they're interested. You
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had mentioned earlier that God has a sense of humor, which I totally believe. Give us
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an example of how you learned that.
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I learned that from hearing God laugh. It was, again, I wasn't hearing through my ears.
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All of me had become a virtual tuning fork. I felt the sound of the words and then the
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laughter. It felt like every cell in my body was smiling and being hugged when God laughed.
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It was the most fabulous sound I have ever experienced. But as with everything else,
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there's balance. I also heard God cry. That's an experience I hope to never repeat because
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it was, I've experienced a lot of pain in my life, physical pain and emotional pain.
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Having, experiencing God cry was horrifying in a way that I don't have words to describe.
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But when we got to the point of the conversation when I was asking, why is there so much evil
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in this world? If you are a good and loving and kind creator and you love your children,
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why is there so much bad? That's, as I said to them at the time, that's one of the things
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that people say gives them a really hard time believing that you exist because they say,
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if there really was a loving, compassionate God, there would not be children being blown
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away by weapons of war.
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Yeah, the Holocaust wouldn't have ever happened. There wouldn't be children starving in Africa.
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Exactly, or in Appalachia or anywhere else. So I was looking for that answer. If God is
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good, why is there so much evil? And again, I said it's one of the reasons that people
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have a hard time believing that you exist. And the first thing that I heard after that
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was, huh, God, people have a hard time believing I exist because bad things happen. So does
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that mean people have a hard time believing that the devil exists because good things
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happen? And that one caught me up short. And then as we're talking about man's ability
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to be horrifyingly abusive to other humans to all life to the planet we live on, just
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the level of hatred is just horrifying. I suddenly realized God was crying. And the
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only way I can explain that sound, and again, not hearing through my ears, but the vibrations
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are going through every cell in my body. And it felt as if the air that I was breathing
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was made of a million pieces of jagged shattered glass. That's what it felt like when God was
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crying. His tears were like shattered pieces of glass that I was breathing. And I started
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to cry. And I never want to hear that feel that sound again. But hello, people, we can
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make God cry. We can make God laugh too. People ask me or make a statement, oh, I know this
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book is fiction because I know God and I know God can't be funny. I've had people say that
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to me. Lots of times. And I find it fascinating. Come back with, oh, do you believe God of
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your belief is everywhere, all knowing, all powerful? Well, yes, of course, that's God.
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I see. So the God you believe in can be anywhere and everywhere and can do anything, but can't
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that be funny? Does that make sense to you? Well, no, God is serious. God doesn't laugh.
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Well, you know, if Robin Williams or Mr. Rogers could portray a father figure that was warm
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and loving and tender and gentle, don't you think God could do that too? And as for why
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God presented in a manner that was funny for me, I've been a comedian all my life laughter
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and humor are my coping mechanisms. I had a very difficult childhood. And if not for
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humor, I wouldn't have survived. And to this day, humor is my go to coping instinct. If
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the creator is in fact this father figure, which I now believe to be the case, what loving
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father would want to frighten or intimidate their child? And it suddenly occurred to me
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while I was having this experience, why wasn't I wrapped in a fetal position, cowering and
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shivering with fright? Why wasn't I scared? Shouldn't I have been? But I wasn't. I wasn't
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scared at all. And I finally figured it out. What reason would the Almighty have for making
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one of his children feel frightened or uncomfortable or anything negative? Would any father, any
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loving father do that? My answer is no. And when I explained that my conversations with
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the Almighty were funny, I think that's because God chose to make me be comfortable to feel
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at home and to present to me a being that I could understand that I could relate to.
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And humor and the conversations we had in the context that we had them, that's how my
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brain works. That's how I made to feel comfortable. And why in the world wouldn't the Almighty
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want his children to feel comfortable when we go and knock on his door and say hello?
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And safe and loved and completely. And if you feel more comfortable in a situation that's
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very serious like some of those people you've talked to, maybe that would be their experience
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if they were in your shoes. Maybe. At this point, I have heard so many people who've
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had a what they call near death experience and no two are the same. That's absolutely
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right. So was there a culmination to all this before you came back? What do you mean by
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that? What kind of culmination are you looking for here? Oh, you know, when you see a fireworks
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show and there's like the biggest bang finale at the end, was your, did your conversation
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with God have one of those? And then it was like, oh, time to go back.
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Yep, there was. And I can explain all of this. I was legally dead for eight minutes.
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And I mean, legally dead. I asked every question I could think of and every question I asked
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and every answer I was given are in the book. Why are they monkeys? It's the word for word
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account of it. Every question, every answer and the last question I asked, was it the
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reason that I was returned? I don't know. Maybe I'll know someday, but I don't know
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now. I do know that I suddenly had a feeling that there was only time for one more question.
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I don't know why I just I just knew it. I just my gut was telling me I'm about to move
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to something else. I don't know what the something else is, but my time in this situation is
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about to come to an end. And he's asking, do you have one more question for me? And
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boom, therefore, this is going to be my last question. So I think I better make it good.
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So I thought and I thought and I thought about every question I had asked. And what hadn't
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I asked because I was getting the feeling that I was being asked for something in particular,
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but I didn't know what that was. But I was being given time and room to come up with
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another question. And it felt to me like it was going to be important. So I wanted to
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make sure it was the right question. If this was going to be my last question, what should
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it be? And okay, I went through choice. And boy, that was a long conversation. Everything
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we do is about choice. We choose the arc of our lives, the path of our lives from this
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life to another. Everything we do is about the choices that we make. We don't just haphazardly
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fall into this or that or the other, we choose, even if you don't want to make a choice, that's
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a choice. So I'm thinking I better come up with a good question. I've asked a whole bunch
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of them, but I'm only going to be able to ask one more. So what's it going to be? And
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I thought and I thought and I thought at all of a sudden I knew. And it was a question
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I had never thought on. It is a question that had never, ever crossed my mind. Why it popped
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into my head at that moment, I don't know. But it did. I took a deep breath and figured
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okay, I don't know. Is this going to send me to hell? Am I going to go back and get
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to live more? Am I going to go through the door into heaven? I don't know. But okay.
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And okay, God, here's my last question. And I asked it. And the next thing I knew, I was
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back where I started in my bedroom, surrounded by the two people who had been there the whole
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time. I took a deep breath, opened my eyes and just I guess I was in shock. I couldn't
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I couldn't even say anything to them. I was just spinning.
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Did you feel like you had a choice on whether to come back or not? Or were you just thrust
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back?
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At that particular point, knowing that I was 25 years old, and during the course of this
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conversation, I had readily admitted the fact that I had pretty much made a dog's breakfast
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of life. My life, I made a whole bunch of really bad choices. I wanted to come back and try
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and maybe do a better job, maybe live a life that had a purpose, maybe think less about
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me and more about everybody else. And I wanted to make a difference. I wanted to live a life
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that had a purpose, not just taking up space.
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So did it change you from then on? Were you a different person?
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Absolutely. But it took a while. When I first came back, I didn't know if what had happened
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was real or not. Again, this was before I'd ever heard the term near death experience,
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or known anything about it. I didn't know what to make of it. I didn't have anybody to talk
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to because I had never heard of this and nobody was walking around talking about it. And I
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didn't know where to go. And I was afraid everybody was gonna like think I was nuts
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and locked me in a rubber room.
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That's how it was back then. So how long did it take before you finally talked to somebody
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about it?
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What long after I came back was when I was given the undeniable proof that my experience
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had been real. It was after I came back. And there was absolutely no question. But that
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was undeniable proof. And every word of it is in the book. I explain how it is that it
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was proven to me that this really did happen. And once I knew that what I had gone through
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was real, I sat down and figured, I think I have a responsibility here. I'm not sure
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what that responsibility is, but I want to learn how to live in a way that is in harmony
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with the experience that I had. I want to live a different kind of life, a life that
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somehow gives testimony to that experience. I want to share it in whatever way I can.
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So I wrote it all down word for word. And then I found some people who they were San
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Francisco DJs. I was living in San Francisco at the time. And they had a Wednesday evening
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Bible study. And these were not the Bible thumping, fundamental evangelical, Pat Robertson
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kinds of people. These were decent human beings who recognized a God of compassion, love and
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mercy. And I thought, all right, I'm going to talk to these people. So I did. And I joined
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their Bible study. And we sat and we talked and we went through the Bible. And I discussed
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some of what I had experienced. And yeah, I kept it all pretty close to the vest because
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I still wasn't sure how it was going to be received. And again, I still had not heard
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the term near death experience or Dr. Ramin Moody or the white light or the tunnel or
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any of it. And nobody I knew had ever heard of it either. So I was still being very cautious
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about just how much I shared. But I spent some time Wednesday evenings with this group
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of people. And I remember walking through the living room of my house one day and the television
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was on. And as I was walking through the living room toward the kitchen, Pat Robertson and
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the 700 club was on my television. I don't know why, but it was. And I heard Pat Robertson
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say to his audience of 90 bajillion people, if you send us a donation, we will at the
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700 club guarantee your admission to heaven. I backed I walked backwards into the living
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room and stood in front of the television and watched as he went on pontificating on
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this same theme of, you know, God wants you to be rich, but he wants me to be richer.
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And anything you give to me will come back to you two fold and blah, blah, blah, blah,
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blah. And I turned off the television and I said, that's it. That's it. This is not
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what I experienced. This is not the God I met and I want nothing to do with this. So
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that was the end of my Bible study. And I then started researching everything I could
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and I started getting serious about my Buddhist practice because people refer to Buddhism
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as a religion, but it isn't in that it's it's not theist. It's not based on the worship
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of a deity. So I don't consider Buddhism a religion. I consider it a spiritual practice.
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And I may practice in Buddha, a Buddhist, and I figure if I practice long enough, maybe
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I'll get good at it or better at it or something. But it took me several months to get to the
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point first where I knew what had happened had really happened and then how to live a
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life that was in harmony with what I had experienced. During the course of my life, I have had
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experiences that there is no earthly reason why I survived, none. And there's an article
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on my blog called Death Be Not, in which I described three of those instances. One of
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them in particular that I cannot describe to you because I suffer from risk and bad
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PTSD and talking about this particular experience makes me physically ill. But when I had
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that other experience that I can't talk about right now, I got home and I immediately grabbed
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my computer and started typing close my eyes. I type 100 words a minute, I close my eyes
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and I typed every word of my divine experience, my near death experience. And then I went
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through my notebooks. I'm one of those people who has I have no idea 10,000 spiral notebooks
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in my house from years and years and years and years of writing and writing and writing.
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I found the notebook in which I had written 25 years earlier, the word for account of
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my experience, which I wrote the day that I got the proof that it had really happened.
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I wrote it down in a notebook, I put it away. Now 25 years later after just surviving an
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ordeal that I don't understand how I survived, I felt an angel tapping me on the shoulder.
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I don't know. I felt this overwhelming need to write and revisit and write that experience
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against. So I typed it all out. And then I found the notebook that I had written it
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out in 25 years earlier and I studied them and they were identical word for word. So
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I had it published and it is now being published and people can read it. And as I said, I don't
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make any money from it. I give all of that money to the breast cancer research foundation
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because I one of the many things that I've survived that nobody can explain to me how
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I survived is I survived breast cancer, even though they didn't diagnose it until it already
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spread. And so, you know, for a whole bunch of reasons, I shouldn't be here, but here
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I still am. And I think one of the things I was supposed to do, I don't feel like I
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had a mission from God. I don't I don't feel like I came back with a mission from God.
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I think that was, you know, Jake and Elwood Blues, the Blues Brothers, they had a mission
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from God. I think I had a divine responsibility, maybe. And that responsibility was to share
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my experience. And we'll put a link in the show notes to your website and all of that.
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All right, before we wrap up, give one important message that you want to leave with everybody.
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People say the world's going to hell in a handbasket or whatever. And I can't do anything
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about it because I'm just one person. And to that I say the fact that you're just one
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person doesn't mean you cannot affect the world. You cannot affect change. You cannot
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bring about good in a horrifying scenario of bad that we are currently living in. One
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person can make a huge difference. Heart of it is because of, as I said, energy. Hold
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up your hand. You think it's not moving. Well, it is every cell in your body is moving. You
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are vibrating at a frequency that is compatible with some and incompatible with others. You've
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ever walked into a room and seeing people that you've never seen before. And one of
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them looks like you don't know why you want to get to know that person. It's not because
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they're particularly handsome or beautiful, but something in you is drawing you to them
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and you just want to say hi. And similarly, there's another person on the other side of
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the room you've never met before doesn't look familiar. But you just don't feel comfortable
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around them and you don't know why you just know you don't think we want to have to talk
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to them. Well, that's because everybody has a frequency. Everybody vibrates at a frequency
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and your frequency may be compatible with mine, but incompatible with somebody else's
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and every single thing that we say and do and think because we are putting out energy
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every second of our lives. We are having an impact on everybody with whom we come in contact.
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So if you think I'm just one person, so what can I possibly do? The fact is, you can make
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remarkable changes in this world by recognizing that the energy that you give off that you
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emit either from what you say or what you do or how you act can change the world. I
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hope, I hope that one of the things that people are going to take from my experience is the
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realization that one person can change the world. It's about what you think. Focus your
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mind on sharing positive energy. Recognizing that the people who don't have what you have
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probably want what you have, but you can give them, even if you don't have money to give,
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you can give them your energy, your thoughts, your emotions, just the thought of, oh my
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God, that poor person is going through such a hard time. Just that sends out healing energy.
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On a scale of 1 to 13, how afraid of death are you?
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Negative 900.
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Perfect.
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I've been there.
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And came back.
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I have no fear of death whatsoever. I'm not looking forward to any astronomical amount
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of pain that gets me there, but the actual act, it's a doorway. That's all it is. It's
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a doorway. It's not an end. It's a new beginning. So no, I have no fear of death at all.
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How freeing would that be if other people felt that way? Because we kind of, as humans,
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walk around in this world having this fear of not only the unknown, but is there really
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something after this? Wouldn't we live a little bit differently if we knew that there was?
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Well on the one hand, when we were younger, we all thought we were bulletproof. And thinking
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you're bulletproof tends to lead to really unconscious behavior. Tends to make people
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do really stupid things. So I have to qualify my belief about this. If everybody knew that
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this one life is not the only life, and that even the laws of physics make it impossible
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for this to be the only life, energy doesn't die. We're made of energy. So okay, we breathe
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our last breath, but the cells within our bodies are still vibrating. It's still going
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on. There's still life there in the basic laws of physics.
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I'm looking forward to it. Brick Chones, thanks a lot.
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Thank you. This was fun.
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Yeah, good having you on today.
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Thank you for inviting me.
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