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From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.
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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.
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And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my
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physical body because I was somewhere else.
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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
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anything else to be felt.
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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.
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On back home again.
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Incredibly safe and felt at home.
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Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody.
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And I want a warm welcome for our special guest, Willow Kaelin this morning.
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How are you, Willow?
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I'm doing well.
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Thank you.
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How are you, Eric?
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I'm good.
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It is a beautiful morning here.
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Actually, it's afternoon for you, morning for me.
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But are you East Coast of the United States?
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I am, yes.
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Do you have an idea of where you live and what you do?
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I live in Michigan and I am a mother to three amazing children that I love.
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And I work my own business that I created because of necessity and it's turned into an
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absolutely amazing experience.
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So.
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How old are the kids?
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12, 10 and 5.
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You don't look that old.
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So I'm going to give listeners a little heads up here.
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We're going to be talking about your near-death experience, what led up to it.
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And man, it was a horrific car crash that we're going to be getting into.
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So let's see.
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You were, remind me, you were 17 years old.
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This was a few years ago.
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What was going on that day?
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What put you in that car at that place?
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I was hunted to a second job.
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I had just finished my first job for morning shift and then I was headed to a second job
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at a horse stable.
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And I was waiting to turn onto a side road because there was cars coming toward me.
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And so I was stopped in my lane just sitting there waiting.
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I had seen anyone behind me until I had just glanced up in my rear view mirror.
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I was about to turn and I saw a truck directly in my rear view and that's when it all happened.
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So it was quite the experience with that.
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I don't know how much more in depth you want me to get.
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I want a little detail.
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You see this truck coming and it's just not stopping?
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Yeah.
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There was nothing behind me when I had stopped.
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There's a curve in the road right there that I had come through before stopping.
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So I didn't see any cars.
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And as I glanced up to look before I turned, this truck was literally right behind me.
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I had like 0.2 seconds to think through what was about to happen.
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And I had this realization that they're not stopping.
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And so right after thinking that they just rammed right into the back of my car and launched
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it about 40 yards to 50 yards inch.
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Okay.
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So half a football field here.
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This was a small car?
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It was.
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It was a Nissan 1987 stick shift.
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I used to call it a tuna can when I was in high school.
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So a pretty small car.
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Yeah.
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It was.
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Yeah.
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I was all steel.
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I think that's one of the things that truly saved the situation just for the fact that
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it wasn't completely crushed because I was hit by an F-350 which is a massive pickup
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truck.
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Pick up.
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Yeah.
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That's the biggest one semi-car in the state outside of commercial cars.
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So was anybody coming the other way that you got launched into the path of?
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Yeah.
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Actually a semi-truck.
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So when I had been pushed into the oncoming traffic lane, there was a semi-truck coming
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toward me and I realized it was Jeff Knifey trying to stop from hitting my car.
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And at that point is when my memory blacked out right as it was about to hit my car.
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So I had everything.
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I'm sorry.
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I'm not laughing because it's funny.
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I'm just like, holy cow.
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I mean you were just sitting there.
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Yeah.
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It's not like you were distracted driving or something.
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You're sitting there minding your own business.
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Oh my gosh.
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Okay.
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What happened next?
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The next thing that I remember was it was a very much an out of body experience of I
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didn't have a physical form.
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It was very calm and relaxing.
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There were no worries.
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It was just kind of this in between limbo state of physical and not physical.
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It was just like there.
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It was very peaceful.
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I remember it feeling warm and comforting in some way.
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And it felt like it lasted quite a while.
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Like I was, it was just a state that I was in for quite a while is how it felt.
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And then from there I dropped back into my body.
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But when I dropped into my body, I was on the side of the road in the ditch.
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So the interesting part about this is that there's no realistic way that I could have
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ended up there.
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The doors in my car were closed.
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The windows were closed and were somehow not shattered from the impact.
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I didn't have any airbag in my car from my memory of it.
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So nothing deployed to help me in that situation.
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And logically speaking, there's no way that I should have ended up outside of my car because
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I would have ended up outside of my car on impact, right?
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Like I would have gone through the windshield or something.
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But I had my seatbelt on also.
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So I was in this limbo state of nothingness and just calm, peace, serenity, and then
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all of a sudden I'm dropping into my body in the ditch.
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That was about 15 feet away from my car.
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Okay, we're going to come back to that cool, peaceful state.
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I want to hear about your body now.
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Do you have any explanation for how it got out of the car?
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And do you feel like your life was saved because you ended up outside the car?
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I definitely feel like my life was saved ending up outside of the car.
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I do not know at all.
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That part of my memory is entirely blank.
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I remember everything after dropping back in and before the semi truck would have hit
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my car.
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I don't remember that little part of how I ended up outside of the car.
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I walked away from the accident, I was able to walk, but I had a compacted spine by about
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two inches and then I had a dislocated shoulder that was partially torn and a massive concussion.
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But I still remember what happened during the accident.
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So I feel like there was some massive form of divine intervention in that whole situation.
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Yeah, definitely.
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So are you...
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Again, I'm sorry for laughing, but I'm just picturing.
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You must have been walking around like help.
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Was there an ambulance there soon after?
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Not too long after, and yet there was actually a construction site right at that intersection
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that I was trying to turn at.
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And the bystanders that had seen what happened estimated the truck that hit me to be going
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around 70 miles per hour and a 55.
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And construction workers see traffic all the time.
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So personally, I'd probably believe their judgment on that.
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And they actually changed that whole intersection after this accident occurred because there
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was no passing lane at that point to go around somebody waiting to turn.
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But just a few short months after this, they put one in.
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And nobody came and checked on my car at all.
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Nobody thought that there was somebody that could survive what had just happened to that
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car.
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So nobody came and checked on me.
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But I remember waking up in the ditch and remembering I needed help.
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And it was pretty disoriented.
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I tried to walk like I was able to get up and I tried to walk in between the semi truck
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in my car because that seemed like the shortest distance to get to the other side of the road
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to get help.
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But I couldn't fit my leg in between the space that was there.
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It was probably 82 inches in between where the semi truck stopped and where my car was.
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So I was leaning on my car and got around it and then ended up on the other side of
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the road and just I remember collapsing on the other side.
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And the lady who hit me, I remember her being frantic and seeing me drop over there and
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come to try to help.
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I was not in a state of wanting to be around her.
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I remember her saying that she was talking to her mom on the phone.
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She didn't see me and she was crying and she was super upset.
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And it was very, my body was very painful so I didn't want anybody to touch me.
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But then there was some EMT from the construction site who had seen what obviously what happened.
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And they rushed over to me and essentially carried me into one of their pickup trucks
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and held my head really still before the ambulance got there because they thought I probably
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had fractured my spine.
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It was quite a crazy day.
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This ditch, how far was it from where your car came to rest?
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It was about, I would say 12 to 15 feet.
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It wasn't insanely far but at the same time it was far enough that it didn't make any
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sense how I ended up there.
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On the semi truck that was coming in a direction to T-bone you that was two inches from your
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car, had it hit the car or did it actually stop in time?
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My recollection is two different things.
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It's both.
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So when I blacked out, I remember seeing that semi truck right at the front of my car because
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it was coming toward me at that point so I had been pushed into the oncoming traffic
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lane and it was coming at me.
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I remember seeing it at the very front of my car and then I blacked out.
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But when I came to, there was about two inches in between this semi and my car.
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The only reason I know that is because I tried, for whatever reason, tried to walk in between
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because it seemed like a closer distance.
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So I had both memories of that.
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It's very interesting.
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There's no way for me to try and differentiate the two, I guess, they're both there.
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Yeah, that's okay.
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Let's go back to, you talked about coming back into your body.
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So you obviously felt like you were out of body.
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Now as you know, the typical NDE and it's not even that typical because every single
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one is different but people talk about going through a tunnel towards the light and this
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kind of cool stuff and maybe meeting relatives or loved ones or something.
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Yours wasn't like that.
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That doesn't make it any less real or anything else.
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Give me more detail about what it was.
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Did you ever see anything or was it all feeling?
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It was all feeling really.
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It was like thinking back on it, it feels overwhelming, the amount of peace and serenity
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and connection that I was feeling.
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But at the time that I was feeling it, it just felt natural and it was the best way
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they could describe it is how people describe the overarching source energy of the planet
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where it's everything is connected.
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And that's really how it felt is that there was a connection to everything and everything
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was one all in the same and it was so incredibly serene and peaceful and comforting and just
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this overwhelming feeling of love for everything, so unconditional love.
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But there was no visuals to it for me.
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It was just all feeling and emotion that was coming through and it was the most peaceful
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I've ever felt in my entire life.
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So long did you feel like it went on?
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Do you have any feeling of time and space?
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That's a great question.
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It felt like it went on forever but then when I got back into my body it felt like it had
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only been moments.
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I mean time wasn't a thing.
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It was just I was there and that was it and the only thing was that moment.
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But then when I had gotten back into my body it felt like a flash of time but still very
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powerful, like present.
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Yeah.
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It sounded like it was all good feelings so you didn't feel any stress, any pain, any
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fear, any danger.
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No and I mean you can imagine being in a car accident and seeing yourself getting hit.
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I saw the truck coming at me in the rear view mirror and then I saw the semi truck coming
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at me and right at the front of my car thinking this is it.
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This is it.
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And the fear and the stress that went through me in such a rapid rate and so strongly going
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from that to instantly just not feeling any of that and feeling everything that was a
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higher vibration, a more comforting, peaceful state, like quite literally instantly.
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It was such a profound experience.
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I don't know entirely how to explain that feeling of everything being connected and
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everything being one but individual at the same time and honestly just this massive feeling
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of peace and ease and no worries or stress at all.
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That's not something I've ever experienced being conscious in the physical.
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That's a lot of good adjectives.
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Good job.
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Did you feel like, how can I put this?
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Let me back up just a little bit.
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I've had some other people on the show that have been in horrific accidents and have told
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me that they actually left their body prior to the moment of impact.
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Now these were people that did have some visuals and saw what was going on and they felt like
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they were spared from having the trauma of the impact.
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Do you remember the impact or do you feel like that happened to you also like you were
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out before?
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I remember the impact of the truck from behind me.
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I remember that feeling of like, it's almost like a firework, a really big firework that
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goes off right next to you.
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It's a huge shock wave and it does, I could understand how that people would feel like
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it pushed you out of your body.
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It hits so hard.
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By that moment, I don't remember physically feeling myself.
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We're here and we feel very grounded in the physical.
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After that impact, I don't remember feeling very grounded in my body.
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So I could understand how people would explain that.
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It's almost like the impact pushed you out.
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What was it like coming back in your body?
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Oh my gosh.
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Do you know, maybe you've experienced when you're sleeping and it feels like you're dropping
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onto the bed, like you're falling back onto the bed.
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It felt like that except it was a harder slam.
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So instead of the bed being there to catch you, it was very much like smashing onto the
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ground and then it was just, it was numb.
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Like I was numb at first, physically.
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And then the pain started to seep in all through my body and it was overwhelming.
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Yeah, it was overwhelming to the point of my mind was numbing it out and couldn't think
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like hardly.
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I was very disoriented.
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I didn't have a clear stream of thought in my mind.
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It was very disjointed, which is why I think I was trying to go between the truck and my
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car.
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Because I wasn't thinking super clearly that it would have been more logical to go around
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the back.
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Well, you were in shock of some sort.
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Yeah.
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Certainly.
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Tell me about the rest of that day.
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So you finally got some help.
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I assume they took you to the hospital.
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What happened?
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Yeah, I was rushed to the hospital.
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They did a MRI.
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They did a bunch of x-rays.
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They did testing for neurological testing.
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I only remember spots of that part.
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I do remember the ambulance ride was agonizing.
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They had me so tightly strapped to the backboard because they thought that I had maybe fractured
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my spine, potentially in a few spots, that I couldn't move.
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But I remember causing such a bad migraine.
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I was like begging them to take me off of the backboard.
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But once I got there, it was a very spotty memory of the day.
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For three days after, I don't remember a whole ton.
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I do remember being rushed back to the hospital because I couldn't keep food down from the
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concussion that I had sustained.
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It was causing issues.
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I don't remember what they did once I got to the hospital.
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But after all of that, when my memory started coming back more fully, I remember that people
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around me seemed very different.
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They looked the same, for the most part.
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But their mannerisms, how they spoke, their beliefs about me were very different from
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what I remember prior to the accident.
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Similar to myself, I had a lot of people telling me that I acted very differently and not necessarily
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that somebody with acute brain damage would be acting, slurring words, not being able
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to speak, that kind of stuff.
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It was along the lines of my mannerisms to them were different.
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The words that I used high spoke was very different.
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I had a few very close friends to me and actually my own family telling me that I seemed like
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a different person.
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It was very strange to them.
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How do you make of that?
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What's your explanation besides a brain injury?
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The fact that I don't know how I ended up outside of my car, the fact that I remember
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seeing the truck, the semi truck, at the very front of my vehicle and not stopping and then
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landing in a ditch somehow and the semi truck had stopped in front of my car in that memory
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in what had happened overall in the accident.
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To me, that seems like what I've heard described as a timeline jump.
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So I had potentially died in one timeline but wasn't finished with what I was supposed
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to do here.
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So instead of going back to source, going up to habit and going to where we go in the
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afterlife, I was pushed into another timeline to continue on with my journey here.
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That's the only information that I've come across that explains what I experienced is
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having jumped timelines into one where I survived somehow.
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So to you, that explains not only the changes in you but the change in other people as well?
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Yeah, because when we look at this, this whole experience launched me into the study physics,
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pretty hardcore, specifically quantum physics and it's a very big passion of mine.
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So when I had come across this idea of jumping timelines, physics actually has a huge impact
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on me.
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It's a huge theory where there are infinite amount of parallel timelines along the side
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of the one we're currently living.
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And in an event such as this, there is a possibility of your consciousness jumping to one of those
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parallel timelines where you survive.
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So with that understanding, little things can be very different.
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It might be somebody's appearance that you notice is very different or it might be the
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culture around you is slightly different but everything looks very similar.
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Just little things that add up like that.
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And it wasn't something that I came to a conclusion of myself.
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It was something I experienced firsthand and then dove into science to try to figure out
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and explain.
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I've always been very scientifically minded.
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I went to college for a biology degree and a minor in chemistry.
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So that's my background with that and why I decided to try to explain what I had experienced,
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in some sort of scientific grounded way.
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And that was the conclusion that I had come to as most probable.
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In addition to that, you were only 17.
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Yes.
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You know, that's young.
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It really changed you above and beyond, I imagine.
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Tell me in what ways.
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Oh my goodness.
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It was like the world opened up in a way.
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And this sounds kind of cliche to say.
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I've read other people say this but this was actually my experience was that color seemed
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a lot brighter to me.
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Almost like when you're a child and everything looks really new.
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Everything was very much brighter.
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I had this ambition to experience all the things that I had wanted to and was pushing
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to the side to work and to accomplish goals.
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But now it was more along the lines of wanting to experience life and everything that I had
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to offer versus just trying to accomplish goals along a path set out by society.
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So I became slightly reckless after all of this in an interesting way of wanting to experience
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people, wanting to experience places, wanting to overcome fears.
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I became recluse at first to try to figure out what had happened and then very outgoing
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after that because I realized that you never know what's going to happen in your life.
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And we wake up and we take all these days for granted.
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We wake up and we take our ability to learn and our ability to comprehend truly for granted
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in an everyday situation.
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We get comfortable and complacent in what we find ourselves in.
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And that comfortability to me feels more like settling than it does being able to experience
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the world around us.
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So that became a huge push for me to be able to experience everything that I could possibly
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experience in this lifetime.
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That sounds like a great shift a lot of us could use.
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Yeah, it was.
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It was quite the wake up call.
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Yeah.
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Do you mind giving me a fun example of one of those reckless things you just referred
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to?
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Yeah.
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When I went up to college, I went to Michigan Tech University and instead of playing small,
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I bit off way more than I could choose.
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So I started an enterprise business under the college for a product called Terrapreda
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and was starting after about two years was starting contracts for taking the kiln designs
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that we had come up with to Brazil.
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And I was heading the whole situation.
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I hadn't really spoken too much to public.
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I had some experience with it, but within that position, I was speaking to two and three
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hundred people, crowds from faculty to students all across the MTU and local community members
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as well, all about the project that we were putting on and how we were going about doing
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the design work for the kiln and the different contracts that were coming up through businesses
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that wanted to deploy these kilns in third world countries.
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That was one of the ones that was maybe more productive, but in a reckless way because
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I didn't care how it affected my schoolwork.
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That seemed more important to me.
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Another one that was more along the lines of a 17 year old, the 18 year old was I decided
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to go cliff jumping and I was very shy with that kind of an endeavor before this entire
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experience, but I decided, nope, I'm going to go do it.
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And I jumped off a 50 foot cliff into the water in a place where everybody goes to do
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that kind of thing.
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It was not something I would have ever even thought about doing before this experience,
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but I wanted to overcome that fear so strongly that it pushed me to experience it, which
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was phenomenal, by the way.
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I highly suggest that in a safe space.
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And experiencing parties and people and communities that I was incredibly what my community would
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have said street edged before having this experience.
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I was straight A student.
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I did not go to parties.
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I did not drink.
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I did not do anything that would have put me in any kind of danger.
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And after this experience, I was joining up with sailing teams with people that I knew
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from college while I was still a senior in high school and going with them all the time
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to go sailing and experience life to more of a full state, I guess.
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Albeit I was doing it responsibly as well.
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So that's a that's a good thing.
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But definitely getting out there to experience it.
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Yeah.
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Most people that have had really profound NDEs, and I'm talking about the more classic
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NDEs, come back with absolutely no fear of death.
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And most of them had a lot of fear of death prior to what's your level of that fear now
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now.
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I have.
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Yeah, I completely agree with that.
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I don't have a fear of death or dying.
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My biggest fear is what would happen with my children.
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But that's not something I can control.
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So that's one of those things that I have to learn how to relinquish control over.
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But yeah, absolutely.
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I really don't fear dying.
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I see it as a transition into the next part of life because that's that's how it felt.
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It was a transitional thing.
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There was no pain to it.
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It was just I was here one minute and they're the next.
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In addition to some of these personality shifts, did you come back with any special intuition,
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spiritual gifts, anything like that?
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Yes.
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So prior to this happening, I was very in tuned.
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I had a really unconventional childhood.
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I was raised in homeschooling out in the middle of nature without any neighbors around.
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So the people that we saw, we went and traveled to see each week and we were involved and
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I was social.
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But my closest friends growing up were forest animals.
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I would sneak out in the forest and try to see how close I could get to raccoons and
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deer and just sit there and watch them.
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That was something I loved to do.
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And I had animals and I had always been able to tap in with the animals and communicate
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with them.
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Well, at that point in time, I thought I just had a very active imagination and I was talking
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with them because I didn't have friends nearby all the time.
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After this experience, I had a profound understanding of what was actually taking place.
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It wasn't just me.
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It wasn't just me communicating with animals and nature around me.
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Like thinking that it was an imagination kind of play thing.
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It was actually occurring.
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You know, when I had that realization, a lot of things changed.
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We had horses and we had other animals.
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So I started practicing utilizing that because I was training horses, trust training horses
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before this accident, just my own personal horses.
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But after this accident, I realized that I could really utilize that ability to help
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train them.
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And I entirely went on and did that with my horses and friends' horses then, including
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through the equestrian team.
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The teacher of the equestrian team, our coach, employed me to help teach her horse who other
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people were having a really difficult time with, but I was able to breathe through with.
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Including dogs and other animals, I decided that I was going to utilize that gift and
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help train the animals through the community society so they could find better homes.
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And so that was something that I did after school on days I didn't have other things
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planned as I would go spend time doing that and I would be able to train them, majority
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of what they needed to know, going into a home within a week.
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This is something that's been ongoing and I've helped other people with their pets.
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It's actually something that I offer now as a service for my clients, being able to communicate
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with their animals and have seen really fun results with that.
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It opened me up to an understanding that with the idea that we are all connected and all
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one living individual lives, we can connect in with anybody and anything.
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And science right now is finally starting to prove that plants have consciousness and
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that they physically feel things.
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They communicate with each other through various different ways and you can actually, if there's
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intention behind it, connect in with them consciously and learn about what properties
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they have, what they can offer.
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And if you do this consciously, you can go now online and double check the information
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that you were receiving if it's true or not for what science has discovered about that
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specific type of plant.
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More often than not, you're going to find that a lot of the information coming through
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is correct.
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So it's really profound how after this experience, it's opened up my ability to be able to connect
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in with plants, animals, and people to help overcome struggles and blockages and help
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them overcome emotional states even.
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So that's been quite an experience I've learned to embrace.
483
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That is very cool.
484
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I like that.
485
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Well, have you ever had any other experiences that were sort of like this one?
486
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I have actually.
487
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One of the ones I experienced involved internal issues with my body going wrong and I ended
488
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up collapsing on the floor at, oh gosh, I was about 14 when that happened.
489
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And my brother had to carry me to the car and rush me to the hospital because we didn't
490
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know what was happening.
491
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I was in a huge amount of pain to the point where I couldn't think.
492
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And there was no, I had no understanding what was going on at that point.
493
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I had collapsed on the ground after getting up to actually let my dogs outside for the
494
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morning.
495
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It was very early in the morning about eight o'clock and I was walking down the stairs
496
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when this massive pain hit my stomach and I didn't know what was going on.
497
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And it dropped me to my knees and I fell down half the flight of stairs that I was on.
498
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And I was in so much pain that I couldn't even call out.
499
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I started having to hit the stairs to try to get somebody's attention.
500
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And my brother woke up and came down and got me and just trying to figure out what was
501
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happening and just decided that we were going to rush to the hospital.
502
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So he picked me up and put me in the car and off we went.
503
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And when I got there, my mom met us there and at that point, they rushed me into the
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back of the ER.
505
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They didn't know what was happening either.
506
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I'm being attached to all these different cords and different things and IVs and they're
507
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,920
trying to get me calm and I'm having these waves of pain come through to the point where
508
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I was throwing up.
509
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So they gave me a medication to stop the nauseous feeling.
510
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And when they gave that medication to me, I had a very severe reaction to it immediately
511
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because they had died intravenously.
512
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And that reaction in my mind was so confusing because I felt my body tensing, my whole body
513
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tensed to the point where my hands were like this and I couldn't move them.
514
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But in my mind, I could still move.
515
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That was very confusing to me.
516
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And then I remember my mom looking at me and saying, you need to breathe.
517
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And she was yelling at me.
518
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And I felt very distant to what I was seeing around me.
519
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,640
It felt like I was kind of receding, like the, the, it was going black.
520
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:10,160
And I remember thinking, but I am breathing and being slightly annoyed that she was yelling
521
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at me about it.
522
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And then everything went dark.
523
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And at that point, I had started to experience this feeling of being like sucked into what
524
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:28,280
I would describe from the first NDE is avoid, of just nothingness and peacefulness.
525
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,880
So it was being pulled into that.
526
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But then I remember just really quickly like launching back into my body and taking a massive
527
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breath.
528
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And I was shaking and crying and I didn't understand what was going on.
529
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:47,520
And from the information that I was given by my mom was that I had cut out.
530
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:48,960
Like I was not there.
531
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,600
I was very blue.
532
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,160
And I had started to flatline on the monitor and she had been able to call the nurses and
533
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,240
they administered a reversal drug.
534
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Thankfully, that was the only prescription that they had given me at that time.
535
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So they knew exactly what to do to bring me back.
536
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:11,280
And yeah, that was my first experience of a pretty severe NDE.
537
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,640
When I came back from that, it was just a very traumatic experience at the hospital in general
538
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at that point.
539
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:23,240
And I was young enough that I wasn't understanding how to emotionally work through it all.
540
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,920
Feel like the one that I had when I was 17, they kind of compiled like compiled on top
541
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:28,920
of each other.
542
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:34,240
So I feel like the one I had when I was 17, in a sense helped me work through the emotions
543
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,480
because there was no avoiding that happened.
544
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,080
It was such a profound experience.
545
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:42,080
You couldn't push it to the back of your mind and just pretend like it didn't actually
546
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happen.
547
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,760
And which is what I ended up doing with the first one.
548
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,600
I can tell it's still very difficult to talk about.
549
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:55,120
When you were talking about the car crash and stuff, yeah, just the look on your face,
550
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,240
I could tell there's still a lot of trauma there.
551
00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,360
There is for sure.
552
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:05,600
I don't feel like when you go through an experience like that, the trauma leaves entirely.
553
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:11,440
I do feel like our body, when we bring up these memories, our body remembers, and it
554
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,320
definitely affects our emotions.
555
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:20,160
However, I have gained a lot of understanding and a lot of lessons from both of those to
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move forward in life and how to handle traumatic situations and also how to help other people
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through them.
558
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,880
I don't feel at this point in my life I would have had the empathy, understanding, conscious
559
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awareness within myself to be able to help other people through severe trauma without
560
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having experienced it to that level.
561
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,440
Hey, if anybody wants to get ahold of you, how do they find you?
562
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,880
WillowsQuest.com is my website.
563
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,000
I'm also on TikTok and Instagram, WillowsQuest111.
564
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,000
Okay.
565
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,360
Thanks a lot, Willow.
566
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,040
I appreciate having you on today.
567
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,520
Yeah, thank you so much.
568
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:54,520
I appreciate it also.
569
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It's a wonderful meeting you.
