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Welcome to Round Trip Death, Happy New Year, and welcome to Season 2 of the podcast.
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We are so grateful for you, our listeners all over the world, who are making this show
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a big success.
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And today's show just may be our very best episode yet.
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We're going to hear from Vinnie Tolman, who was dead for an hour and a half before being
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revived.
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Oh, I don't want to give it all away.
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Let's jump right into the conversation.
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Okay, for our listeners out there, if you have not heard Vinnie's story yet, this is
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going to blow you away.
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This is something that you just haven't heard before.
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The name of our show is Round Trip Death, meaning people that die see the other side
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and come back to talk about it.
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And some people that we talk to have a very short NDE or out of body experience, close
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to death.
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This is one where this guy, let's just say, I call him body bad guy.
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I hope that's not an insult, Vinnie.
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Not at all.
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Anyway, good morning.
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How are you?
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Doing great.
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Doing awesome.
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Great to be here today.
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So we have Vincent Tolman, when we get closer to the end of this podcast, we'll tell you
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about his book so you can hear his whole story there.
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But wow, this is going to be really cool for people to hear.
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It blew me away as you were telling me the other day.
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And let's go back.
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How many years ago did this happen?
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So this coming January, it will be 20 years.
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So it was January 18, 2003.
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Okay.
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And you were just an average guy living in a moderate, you know, kind of suburban city
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in Utah.
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And what was your life like then?
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So you know, my day to day was consisted of, you know, working out and work out in the
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mornings with my buddy and then go to work and sometimes did a workout after work.
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And of course, my weekends were filled with regular things everybody in Utah did.
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And at the time, one of the things we would do is go to the auto show.
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And that was one of the things we were going to do that day was go to the auto show after
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a quick workout.
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And you took some natural supplements to help with the rejuvenation after workouts.
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Do you mind if I ask you what that was?
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You don't have to tell me if you don't want to.
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So it was a it was a product back then it was called for unknown to hydro.
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And what it was is a naturally found or naturally derived chemical that when you put it in the
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body it doubles and even triples your muscle recovery time.
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So you know, someone who is in that natural bodybuilding, which we both were both me and
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my buddy, it allowed us to work out our arms every day or our chest every day.
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We wouldn't have to alternate days.
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We could do it every day.
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Whereas traditional bodybuilding without any supplementation, you couldn't work out your
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arms every day.
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You couldn't work out your chest every day.
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You used to have to alternate days.
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Yeah.
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That's where we get the term leg day.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah.
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So what day of the week was this that this happened?
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This was a Saturday.
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Yeah.
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OK.
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So set the stage.
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It's a Saturday morning.
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You guys decide to go get something healthy for breakfast like Dairy Queen.
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What had happened is we had we had actually planned on not even really grabbing anything
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to eat.
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We had planned on just taking our supplement, going and working out and then headed up to
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we were planning on going up to the auto show that was in at I think at the time I was at
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the Salt Palace or the Delta Center at the time.
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What happened next?
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So we we both took the supplement and as soon as we took the supplement, we knew it was
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bad.
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We knew something was off about it.
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Even though it looked and tasted normal, something was off about it.
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And we figured, you know, maybe getting some to eat would would help us feel better.
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So we went straight to that Dairy Queen and went to go grab something to eat.
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And what you didn't realize was this was a different brand or a different batch and it
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was much, much, much stronger than what you normally took.
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Yeah.
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So what we didn't realize is everything we were getting in the United States from American
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suppliers was a five percent diluted solution and everything outside the United States was
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a hundred percent solution.
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So even though it was available both in and out of the United States, everything outside
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the states was a hundred percent solution, meaning 20 times stronger than the American
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stuff.
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And it was a liquid supplement.
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So it was, you know, even though it tasted the same, it was 20 times stronger than the
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normal.
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OK, go ahead and get into your story.
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So you're thinking, oh, some food will feel a little bit better.
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No big deal.
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You go to Dairy Queen.
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What happens then?
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So we you know, we we barely get it to Dairy Queen.
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My buddy is starting to nod his head as he's driving.
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I'm in the passenger seat, kind of shake him awake as we get there.
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We park.
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I went straight in and went to the bathroom and the bathroom there is a single use bathroom.
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So went in, locked the door.
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My buddy stumbled in.
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He stumbled in and collapsed on one of the booths right by the door.
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He began to vomit right there.
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So the manager came over, saw him, you know, called 911 and got an ambulance there and
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they called him away.
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No problem.
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He actually went and got his stomach pumped and he was fine.
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He got out of the hospital a bit later, whereas where I was, nobody saw us coming together.
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So there I was in the bathroom.
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I too passed out.
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I started to vomit.
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The problem was when I passed out, I was on my back.
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So I started to aspirate as I vomited.
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And so I suffocated essentially.
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And I'm guessing you locked the door when you went in.
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We all would.
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I did.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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In traditional way, you know, I locked the door when I went in and unfortunately nobody
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saw me go in.
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Everybody saw my buddy come in, but they didn't see me go in because I was so quick.
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I felt really nauseated when I came in.
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And from my perspective, I was seeing the room in the bathroom.
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I was seeing that it was starting to get dizzy.
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It felt like the whole world was shaking and moving on me.
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And then that's the last I remember.
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The next thing I remember, I'm sitting here watching what looks like a movie.
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And you know, in the past, I'd worked in the movie industry.
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So I was sitting here watching this movie that was panned from the ceiling looking down.
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And I thought, well, that's odd.
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Why would a director shoot a film, you know, from the ceiling down perspective?
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But I was sitting there watching what I thought was a movie.
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And it didn't dawn on me what I was looking at was actually my body and where I had died.
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Okay.
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How did you get found?
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So as I'm sitting there watching everything happen, I see them haul away my body in an
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ambulance.
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I see that nobody knows I'm in there.
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And again, I don't know it's me because me is up here watching what's going on.
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It's not even possible that it's me down there, you know?
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And so I'm sitting and watching things happen.
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I see a customer go and try, a gentleman tried to use the bathroom, tried to open it.
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It was locked.
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And he kept his eye on it and noticed that nobody was coming out.
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And after about like 30, 45 minutes of nobody coming out, and this is long past my buddy
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leaving, he goes to the manager and says, hey, can I use the restroom?
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I think the door is locked.
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And he did say, he's like, I think there might be somebody in trouble in there because I
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hear a phone ringing and nobody's answering it.
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So he went over, you know, the manager went over and, you know, knocked on the door, locked
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it, opened it up.
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And there's a dead guy on the floor.
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So you know, they called 911 again.
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This time 911 kind of walked them through checking the body for a pulse.
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And the second that they, the manager himself didn't actually check the body.
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He went and got one of his underlings, a girl that worked for him.
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And she was making him or making her touch the body.
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And she, when she touched it, she like kind of cringed.
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She's like, no, it's cold.
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And so 911 said, you know, secure the room.
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Don't let anybody in there.
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The ambulance, ambulance is on its way.
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The police are on their way.
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And so from there, that's, that's essentially how, how the body got processed.
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The ambulance shows up, the doors, you know, kind of closed and they're waiting for the
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ambulance to get there.
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They let them in there.
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They do some preliminary checking with the body and they do pronounce it dead.
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They put the body in a bag, you know, put it in the back of an ambulance.
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This medical team though is two veteran medics and one rookie medic.
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So the rookie medic is his first week on the job.
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He feels very dismayed.
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And that's something else that was kind of odd to me from my perspective.
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I could hear and feel the feelings and thoughts of everybody around, which again, I'm thinking
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this is a movie.
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So I'm thinking this is really weird that, that the director would allow me to hear everyone's
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thoughts and feel everyone's feelings.
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And so I'm sitting here feeling the dismay of this rookie.
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He feels horrible that he can't try, that he can't, he can't try to get this body resuscitated,
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try to save this guy.
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And they, you know, they go ahead, they bag up the body, they put it in the ambulance
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and, and, and as they're doing the paperwork and all of that, they're almost done.
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A police officer shows up, signed some paperwork with them.
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They trade some paperwork and, and then off they go to turn the bat, the body into the
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medical examiner.
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And as they pull away from my perspective, where I am, I feel this very, very strong
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energy go over my left shoulder from behind me.
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And this, this strong energy, I see it and feel it go to the medic who's sitting in the
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back, the rookie.
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And when it hits him, he starts to glow, he, he literally starts to glow like light glowing
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from inside him around the heart area.
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And all of a sudden they hear very loudly, this one's not dead.
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Which was really weird because it was, it was very, very loud and I could hear it myself.
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And the rookie medic kind of looked around and was thinking, well, maybe, maybe someone's
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playing a joke on me.
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And he had kind of that thought and then, then thought, no, that wasn't anybody else.
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That was something else.
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And a few, few feet down the road later, I feel it again, this strong pulse of energy
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over my left shoulder and, and it, and it hits him again, but the light grows brighter
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and it goes brighter, bigger than from just around his heart.
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And it actually starts to glow for about essentially from his waist to the top of his head.
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And I hear it again a second time, but even louder this time, this one's not dead.
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And that was enough for him, the medic, the rookie that he decided to take action.
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So, you know, unbeknownst to his other two medics that he's working with, he goes ahead
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and unzips the body bag and starts feeling around the neck.
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He feels around the arm for a pulse.
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The body's cold at this time and he knows that, you know, he's, he doesn't know what
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he's necessarily doing.
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He just knows he has to take action on what he felt.
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He didn't feel a pulse under the arm, didn't feel a pulse at the neck.
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So he, he ended a couple of straps on the, on the body and went down, unzipped further
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and went down to the inside of the groin.
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He was feeling for the femoral artery or the big artery down there.
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And as he, he was feeling for that, he pushed past the muscle tissue in the leg and actually
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made contact with the femur bone.
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As he did that, I felt like a spark, an ignition, almost like a, a shock, like a physical shock
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where I was.
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And I felt him feel it too.
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Like we both felt this shock.
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And where you were at that time was still an observer kind of position.
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Yes, still in a complete observation.
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Yeah.
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Looking down on what's happening.
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Okay.
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And you're feeling somehow what he's feeling.
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Okay.
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Keep going.
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So I feel, I feel that shock or, or kind of ignition as he goes in and feels the femur
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artery and, um, or feels for that.
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And it was enough to him, even though it wasn't necessarily a pulse, it was enough of something
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out of the norm that he decided, you know what?
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I got to try to resuscitate him and I felt that from him, that he felt he had to try
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to resuscitate me.
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So he went ahead and began to process me and, and, uh, you know, go through the process
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of trying to resuscitate the body, um, out of an aspiration, essentially trying to get
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oxygen in the lungs.
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Um, he, he hooked up some diodes on the chest.
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Uh, he had to cut off the shirt.
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He hooked up some diodes on the chest so that he could, um, you know, shock the body back
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or shock the heart back.
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And up until this point, the other two medics had no idea what he was doing.
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They were kind of involved in their own conversation, ignoring him.
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You know, he's just the rookie.
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They're ignoring him.
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Um, now all of a sudden they, they hear the charge alarm on the defibrillator that it
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makes this alarm before it actually charges the body with electricity.
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And um, they, they both hear it.
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They hear the alarm go off.
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They look back and they just start laying into them like you're, you're going to get
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fired.
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You can't do this.
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This is a dead body.
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You need to know when to let go, um, that kind of stuff.
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And, and it didn't dissuade him at all.
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He just went ahead and kept with it.
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He let the body get shocked once it made no difference to just kind of jumped a little
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bit.
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Um, after a second round of shocks, they did, he did get one heartbeat.
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So he got a single heartbeat and then went back to flat line.
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And then the third round of shocks, he got a steady faint heartbeat.
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Um, but, but what was cool though, is after the second round of shocks with that single
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heartbeat, it did kind of shut up the other two medics.
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So they would, they allowed him to do it.
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He was doing.
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And by the third round, um, where the heart started again, these other two medics radioed
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ahead to a hospital that happened to be only a few feet away when this all happened.
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Um, right there on 800 north, the Timotsevis hospital, they, they were able to get me right
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into Timotsevis hospital.
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Cause this, this happened just feet in front of the hospital when my heart came back on
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the third round.
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So, um, all together, there's estimates that have me, um, being dead for well over 45 minutes.
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There's estimates that say it could have been well over two hours altogether.
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Uh, nobody was sitting there with a stopwatch.
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Um, but from the time that they pronounced me dead, which they found me cold to the time
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that I was turned in to the hospital, which was moments after my heart started was a good
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45 minutes.
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So there, there's an easy way to document, uh, at least 45 minutes of death, if not longer,
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um, that, that the body was dead, but, but still at this point, I wasn't back in the
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body.
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Right.
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So I know this happened and, and still it didn't dawn on me that it was me at all.
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It was just me observing all this going on in front of me.
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I just want to make sure I get all the detail here because this is a whole lot of information
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from the time you were declared dead, tell your heart started.
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That was 45 minutes before that, the time you were locked in the bathroom was probably
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at least a half an hour.
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At least.
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Yeah.
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If not longer, the paramedics had come and gotten your friend and left and somebody finally
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did something.
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Then there's also a period of time from when they called nine one one until they come and
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get you and declare you dead.
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I don't know how long that was.
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Yeah.
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And that was a few minutes.
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It was probably around like five to 10 minutes.
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Yeah.
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So I think, I think conservatively, it seems like an hour and a half.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And it could have even been longer.
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It's documented at least 45 minutes from the time they found the body till they told us
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it was resuscitated.
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Yeah.
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And turned in the hospital.
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So, so with that, that's, that's why when you see some of the documentation of it, we
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call it 45 minutes because we, we haven't documented that 45 beyond that.
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It's speculation of one person versus another, but we know it's at least 45 or more.
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Yeah.
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So sure.
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At least.
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So the paramedics, okay, he's dead.
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And they actually put you in a body bag and zip it up, right?
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Yep.
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Full zip the body bag and not just that they strapped it down like a dead body.
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So they, they put it, they put a tight strap around the neck area, the chest, the hips,
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the feet, and it's strapped down tight, like tight.
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Yeah.
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So it's not going to roll, roll off or something, which would be horrible.
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And they're not headed to the hospital.
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They're headed to the coroner's office.
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They are.
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They are headed to the coroner's office, which at the time was in Provo.
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I don't know if it's still there, but they were headed, you know, to hit the freeway
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and go down to Provo, turn in the body.
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Whereas the route that they were going took them right in front of Timpanogos hospital.
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And my heart started about 300 feet from the hospital.
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I know this area in Orem, Utah, from where that Dairy Queen was, it's no longer there
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to Timpanogos hospital is it's only a mile or two.
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I mean, this is not far.
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It's right there.
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Yeah.
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So this wasn't like this rookie EMT had a half an hour to think about it or something.
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This happened actually very quickly once the ambulance started going, it sounds like.
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Yeah.
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Once, once they pulled away from the scene, which took a little bit because that, that
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parking lot's a little tricky for an ambulance.
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It had to exit out the far east side to get out of there.
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And so they exited out of the far east of the parking lot and started driving towards
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the freeway or towards State Street right there.
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And just after they passed State Street is where the second, the second shock had happened
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right around State Street and then just past State Street, the third shock.
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Yeah.
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And of course, because the body was dead, they were in no hurry.
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There wasn't exactly, yeah, there wasn't a siren on and going 80 miles an hour.
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They were just kind of cruising safely.
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Holy cow.
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Okay.
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Now, well, go ahead and keep going.
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One thing that I want to come back to at some point is some people, when they have an experience
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of their, of their heart stopping is they are, let's say it's in an emergency room and
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they leave their body and they're up in the corner of the room looking down.
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Yours was kind of like that.
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Other people immediately go someplace else, whether it's through a tunnel or whatever,
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they end up in a heavenly kind of place.
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Did you stay in that position where you were looking on down on your body the whole time?
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I did until right after this.
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So right after this all happened, you know, as they were transferring the body from the
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ambulance into the hospital, they had to transfer it off of the, the, the med, the board that
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they had strapped me to strap the body to as they were transferring the body over from
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that into an actual hospital gurney or hospital bed.
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Um, the, because the body had been dead for so long, it was going through some, some major
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problems.
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Uh, the body was going into seizures and, and gyrating and foaming at the mouth.
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Um, as that was happening, the hospital staff, as they're trying to bring the body in, they
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realized they had to strap the body down.
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And um, because it was, you know, gyrating so much in the seizures.
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So they, they strapped the two legs down and then they went to go strap the arms.
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They got the right arm strapped down.
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And as they went to strap the left arm, I actually felt someone strapping my left arm
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where I was sitting watching all this happen.
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So I looked down to see my left arm, but what I saw was the left arm of the body.
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And that's when it, that's when the first dawn on me that what I'd been watching this
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whole time was me.
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And all of a sudden that these, this flood of negative thoughts came to me.
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Like you're such an idiot.
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How could you not know this was you?
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You've been dead the whole time that you've been witnessing your own death.
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Um, I had just these very like kind of egotistical thoughts, like you idiot.
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How could you not know this was you?
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And as I was sitting there having those thoughts, I started to see just in real quick flashes,
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all the negative things I'd ever done in my life, which, um, I lived an okay life, not,
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not, not like a saint and not like a super sinner either.
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But, but I'll tell you, I had a lot of bad stuff that I saw that I didn't realize that
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I had, I had influence on people.
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And so I saw all these things happening.
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And as I, I was seeing all these negative things that had, that had happened and I essentially
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had as an influence on other people, I then started to feel this warmth on my back and
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um, this warmth started, it felt like just the most amazing, beautiful feeling.
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There's, there's no words to describe what this feels like because there's nothing in
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this life that's like it.
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But, but I'll tell you, it's the best thing that I'd ever felt and ever will feel is this
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tremendous amount of love that was coming over me.
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And it felt like it was coming from behind me.
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As I realized it was coming from behind me, I started to flash and see all the good things
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that I'd done and not just the good things, but, but the good influences I'd had on people
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and, and how it not just affected them and how, how they affected others with, with the
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good too.
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So I got to see kind of the flip side of that.
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And this is all happening in an instant.
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So very quick, I turned to see where this, this tremendous love is coming from.
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And I, I turned around, I see this, this man, um, dressed in all white, he's wearing kind
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of a white suit, but he's also got like this white stole or robe over the top of it.
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And he's just sitting there smiling and looking at me with the smile and, and his pink skin
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is very, very pink and glistening.
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It's glistening like, um, like the sand of a beach in the sun and light is literally
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emitting from him, like literally lights coming from inside him.
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And I could feel that that tremendous amount of love was coming through him as well.
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And my first thought is this must be God.
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And as soon as I even had that thought, um, he, the gentleman kind of laughed and I just
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heard his answer without him using his mouth.
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I just heard, no son, I'm not God.
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And then I, my follow-up thought was, well, then you must be Jesus, even though you don't
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look like Jesus, you must be Jesus.
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And then he kind of laughed at that and said, no son, I'm not Jesus either.
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I'm here as your guide to help you go where you want to go and you can call me Drake.
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Um, I just knew to call him Drake because I just knew he, he, he put that out there
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that I could call him Drake.
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So I, I, I began to work with this, this guide that was there to help me.
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And he asked me if I wanted to stay.
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And he showed me back to the body in the hospital and they were, they were just going to town
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at that time.
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They were, they were putting stuff in the body, injecting things and doing all sorts
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of life-saving treatments to the body.
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And it looked like hell to me.
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It really did the way that the body was just kind of the center of attention of all these
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people working on it.
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Um, I didn't want to go back to that.
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I wanted to go towards this tremendous love that I felt from this guy.
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And I told him that I said, I want to go wherever you're coming from.
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I can feel the tremendous love coming from you.
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I want to go towards that.
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He helped explain to me that we were going to go on a journey, that this wasn't just
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a quick journey, but I had to, I had to move from like point A to point B, but I also had
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to raise my understanding and raise my frequency.
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I had to raise, um, my vibration of who I was to be able to go where we wanted to go.
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And I said, okay, let's do it.
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And, and so we began our process, our journey and, um, across this journey, we were moving,
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you know, through space.
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I could see space moving around me.
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We were surrounded in light as we, as we moved, but I could, I could legitimately see like
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vast amounts of space moving past us as we move, maybe as if we were inside of a shooting
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star kind of thing.
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And as I'm seeing, you know, the space move around me, certain principles were, were kind
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of thrown out to me.
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And it was really funny how it worked.
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He would send a principle to me, like an understanding.
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I wouldn't call it necessarily even a principle.
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He would send an understanding to me.
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And as long as I was willing to accept the possibility that that understanding was true,
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then we could keep moving.
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But if I wasn't able to accept that it was possibly truth, then I would slow down my,
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my own progress.
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And he would help me.
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He would, you kind of work with me, give me some, some scenarios, some, some, um, some
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understandings until I could understand that it was truth.
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And then we would continue our path.
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And essentially we went through a lot of understanding to get to actual heaven.
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These understandings, I, I break them down to essentially 10 principles.
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There was a bit more than that, but I can break it, break it down to, to 10 primary
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principles that I had to understand to be able to, to go all the way with him all the
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way to heaven.
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And so we went through these 10 principles.
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We made it through all, all 10.
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We slowed down on a few of them and, and just until I could understand it and embrace it,
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and then we would continue to move.
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And we made it all the way towards this, this grand, grand kingdom, this planet that, um,
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00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,080
is so much more vast than we can understand.
473
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:39,320
It is, it's bigger than hundreds of sons, uh, you know, in our solar system, it's bigger
474
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:44,960
than million of, you know, more than a million of our earths could fit inside side to side
475
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,740
inside of this planet.
476
00:27:46,740 --> 00:27:49,700
This planet is extremely large.
477
00:27:49,700 --> 00:27:55,800
And as we approached it, it kind of had a glow around the, like, if you were to put
478
00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:02,920
a big wide belt around this planet and, and consider it like a frosty glow, that's what
479
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:03,920
it looked like.
480
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,540
So this planet is, is like complete white.
481
00:28:06,540 --> 00:28:11,880
And as we get close to it, I can start picking out that there's some blues and some, some
482
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,800
other colors in there.
483
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:19,200
But as we're getting close, I noticed that there's kind of this yellow golden light around
484
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,240
the outside of the planet, but it's like this really wide belt.
485
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:28,280
So you know, when you see the, the rings of Saturn, how they're this, this really slim,
486
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,280
you know, almost like a razor line belt going around, it was like that.
487
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,800
But instead of being the razor line that you see, it was the wide side.
488
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,500
So you know, if you turn those belts up on their side and they went around really wide
489
00:28:39,500 --> 00:28:42,800
around the planet, that's what it looked like.
490
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:49,480
And as we were approaching, I have a very analytical mind, always have, and I was very
491
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:56,080
interested that what would cause this, this kind of golden frosty color to go around the
492
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,720
outside of this planet, this heaven that we're going to.
493
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:04,080
And Drake helped me understand that this is the pearly gate.
494
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,040
This is what we would consider.
495
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,560
Now I didn't fully understand that's what we terminology called a pearly gate, but he
496
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:11,960
showed me what it is.
497
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:17,380
And as we got closer, we got to zoom in on one of these, these kind of orbs or pearls
498
00:29:17,380 --> 00:29:18,640
of light.
499
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:28,180
And inside each orb is a group of souls and each soul is, is trying to cleanse themselves
500
00:29:28,180 --> 00:29:30,200
of certain energies.
501
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:36,960
And this particular one that we went into was a distrust or a inability to forgive your
502
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,440
child.
503
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:44,400
And so I'm sitting here looking and I see this gentleman, he's from like the late 1800s
504
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:49,880
or early 1900s, the way he was dressed and he was speaking Italian, but I could understand
505
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,280
what he was saying.
506
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,180
He was, he was cussing out in his own mind's eye.
507
00:29:54,180 --> 00:29:57,440
He was seeing his own son and he was cussing him out.
508
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:02,260
He felt like the actions of his son led to his death.
509
00:30:02,260 --> 00:30:03,920
And he was so upset about this.
510
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,920
He was just going off in, in Italian.
511
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,080
And again, I could understand what he was saying, even though I don't understand Italian.
512
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,400
And I could, and he was using his words, his mouth, which was odd because up till this
513
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:21,520
point no one, you know, not my guy, nothing around me was using the, the communication
514
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:22,520
of a mouth.
515
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,840
But here this gentleman was just going off in Italian and I'm understanding what he's
516
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:27,840
saying.
517
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,920
And I, and I'm allowed to see what he sees in his own mind.
518
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,920
And I see that he's seeing the face of his son as he's, he's just going to town on him,
519
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,800
just yelling at him.
520
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:44,000
And I look around and I see that, that the light that builds this orb around the soul
521
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:49,720
is is love and it's facilitated by angels, literally angels.
522
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,680
They're facilitating this orb.
523
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:57,500
And this gentleman is getting to the, getting to the end finally of all this like distrust
524
00:30:57,500 --> 00:30:59,520
and inability to forgive.
525
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:04,580
And he gets to the end and he kind of like takes this breath, like, like gets it out
526
00:31:04,580 --> 00:31:05,580
of him.
527
00:31:05,580 --> 00:31:08,920
And then he realized where he was up until that point.
528
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,680
He was in his mind's eye.
529
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,960
He was still yelling at his son and out of nowhere.
530
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,300
The second he realized that he wasn't in front of his son anymore.
531
00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:19,060
And he took this deep breath.
532
00:31:19,060 --> 00:31:23,040
This team of angels came to his side and he was off.
533
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,040
He was gone.
534
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,340
They took him.
535
00:31:25,340 --> 00:31:30,400
They took him into heaven as the second that he got done with, with what he needed to cleanse
536
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:31,840
out of him.
537
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,960
And so it's, you know, and then right after that, I got to see this lady to kind of going
538
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:42,280
through the same energy with her daughter, where she was blaming her for her, her passing,
539
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,360
putting the stress on her passing and all this stuff.
540
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:51,000
But it was, it was neat though, for me to see that even, you know, even in our experience
541
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:57,280
of crossing, if we have some energy that we were carrying with us, that God has a process
542
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:02,880
for us to be cleansed of that negative energy before we can get into heaven.
543
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:08,520
And there's a reason for that is because you really have to get to such a high loving frequency
544
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:13,560
or a high loving vibration to be able to get into heaven.
545
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:19,440
And how that works is the same way that you couldn't take our physical body right now
546
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,300
and you couldn't just put it on the sun because it would be incinerated.
547
00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:27,960
You'd have to get to such a high vibration even to get to our son and this heaven is
548
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,080
even greater than our son.
549
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,560
It's it, it is bright white.
550
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,240
It is extremely white.
551
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:42,320
And the light coming from this planet of heaven, it actually comes from the planet.
552
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:47,080
There's no like outside sun shining on the planet, like the light comes from in it.
553
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:52,120
So for us to get there, we have to get to such a high rate vibrational frequency.
554
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:59,800
We have to be in complete love with God and the eternities to be able to get there.
555
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:05,360
And so for those who are not in that space, God does have a pearly gate, but it's not
556
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,340
a fence.
557
00:33:07,340 --> 00:33:13,740
It's actually an energetic gate that allows people to cleanse themselves and get that
558
00:33:13,740 --> 00:33:16,680
negative energy out of them so they can get there.
559
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:17,680
Yeah.
560
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,800
So it's not a pearly gate to keep evil people out.
561
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:26,960
It's a way of cleansing and becoming better so that you can get in exactly because he
562
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,160
wants everybody to come in.
563
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,280
Absolutely.
564
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,560
And here's my tool to help you do so.
565
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,720
And our time in the gate would only be facilitated by us.
566
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:43,080
You know, how much time do we need to cleanse ourselves to get to the end of our sentence
567
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,880
where we're allowed to finally get out of us what we need to get out of us.
568
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:47,880
Yeah.
569
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,260
Did your guide, Drake, did he tell you this is heaven?
570
00:33:51,260 --> 00:33:53,900
Did you just automatically know this?
571
00:33:53,900 --> 00:33:55,920
Was there a name for this planet?
572
00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:00,440
Anything else you can fill in there?
573
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:08,200
I asked him, I asked him because in the process of traveling, he helped me understand how
574
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:13,420
vast the universe is and how vast all of creation is.
575
00:34:13,420 --> 00:34:19,640
And it's far bigger than what NASA or any of our space agencies could ever explain to
576
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:20,840
us.
577
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:26,720
And he helped me understand that there's life everywhere in the universe, everywhere, not
578
00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:32,080
just in our little nook and cranny of the universe, like everywhere there is life, everywhere
579
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,760
there is creation, there is life.
580
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,920
And that life form takes so many different forms.
581
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,920
And it's a beautiful, beautiful thing.
582
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:47,160
As he was showing me like the vastness of the universe, then we were continuing to go
583
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,080
towards our our target or our goal where we're going.
584
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:56,300
And I had asked him, I'm like, oh, so there's, there's so many other, you know, parts of
585
00:34:56,300 --> 00:34:58,000
life out there.
586
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:03,600
And yet there's still this heaven and what I would call heaven, you know, where we're
587
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:04,600
going.
588
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:12,000
And he explained to me, yes, this is a heaven, but there are many heavens that there is.
589
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:18,960
There's different heavens for different creation, but this is the heaven for essentially, creations
590
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,080
like myself, for humans, essentially.
591
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:31,200
But there's a, a, a grand, grand scheme of, of life is the fact that whatever heaven we
592
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,600
need is what we're going to get.
593
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:42,680
So primarily where, where I was going, this vast place was kind of a learning heaven as
594
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:49,240
like I actually saw a university type structure on the planet where people could go and learn
595
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:51,120
the mysteries of the universe.
596
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:59,540
They could also get cleansed of any harm of how they passed or how they had been raised.
597
00:35:59,540 --> 00:36:03,840
But even to get there, you would essentially get cleansed mostly of all those things.
598
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,640
Cause that, that, that all permeating love that makes everything function.
599
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:13,880
It's so all permeating that it just washes away the harm that this world, that this life
600
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,920
puts in you.
601
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,080
I was raised in a pretty rough home.
602
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:25,220
I was raised in a loving home, but an extremely abusive home to the extremes.
603
00:36:25,220 --> 00:36:30,400
So I had a lot of black holes in myself growing up and those black holes would show up in
604
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,200
fights in altercations, specifically with males.
605
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,640
I had a lot of altercations with males growing up.
606
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:43,680
And, and, and most of that was because of the abuse that was around me that was going
607
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,320
on.
608
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,360
And so I had a lot to overcome.
609
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:54,120
And what was amazing to me is, is all the black holes that were kind of pounded into
610
00:36:54,120 --> 00:37:01,800
me as a child, all the darkness that was pounded and beaten to me as a child, um, was erased,
611
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:08,120
was erased instantly in the first few moments of this unconditional love.
612
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,400
But a lot of it was cause I really embraced it.
613
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:11,400
I did.
614
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:17,040
I, I remember feeling that energy that I could embrace it if I wanted to, I did have to,
615
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,540
and I did embrace it because it was so beautiful to me.
616
00:37:20,540 --> 00:37:26,960
And I was able to erase a lot of, of past trauma, past problems that I had picked up
617
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,800
in my energetic body of who I was.
618
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:35,840
Um, and, and it's beautiful because that same love is what makes the whole system run in
619
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:36,840
the real universe.
620
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,040
Now this is where we live here is the outskirts.
621
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:46,080
This is, this is kind of like the energetic dump of the, of the universe.
622
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:52,280
It's the lowest lowest, one of the lowest frequencies you can even find in all of creation.
623
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:56,560
So where we live here, um, and we do this on purpose.
624
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:01,020
We come here so that we can get some distance from God so that we can learn to make our
625
00:38:01,020 --> 00:38:05,480
own decisions, learn the power of agency and creation.
626
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:12,900
Um, and, and then we go back where that just, that all permeating unconditional love exists
627
00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:18,440
and it is so healing and cathartic and it, and it makes everything run over there.
628
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:23,680
That's what makes everything run in the real existence in the universe is love.
629
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,960
This just unconditional love.
630
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,880
And I like to term it as light because it is, it's just the way that light is everywhere
631
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:31,880
there.
632
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:37,880
Um, it's just all permeating and this love is so tremendous, so tremendous.
633
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:43,320
So at this point, is it time for you to head back to the hospital or do you see more?
634
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,240
You mentioned a university kind of thing.
635
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:48,800
Did you get a full tour of this place?
636
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:49,800
I did.
637
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,800
I got, I got essentially the, I got the, the short version of the tour.
638
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:55,800
I joke around with my friends.
639
00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:01,840
I got the short bus version of the tour, but, um, I, I actually touched down on this planet.
640
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:06,600
We, we actually got where I could actually feel the grass and I could experience the
641
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,080
grass.
642
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:13,240
Um, the grass had just a, an amazing love coming from it.
643
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:18,040
The grass itself, the, to be near it and to touch it, you could actually taste the sweetness
644
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:22,160
of it, even though you're not eating it or anything, you just tasted it.
645
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,120
And the grass itself had an actual music coming from it.
646
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:32,120
And the, just the colors alone of just the colors you could see in a single blade of
647
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:38,480
grass are more colors than this entire world here can take just so beautiful.
648
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:45,320
Just simply the grass was just life changing to be there and experience just the grass.
649
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,520
Now I got to also experience water.
650
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:52,960
I got to experience flowers and trees and even got to experience this little bug, um,
651
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,600
this little insect, which was just beautiful.
652
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:02,280
And, um, and then I noticed a building, uh, off in the distance and I got to see a little
653
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:03,680
bit of what this building was.
654
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:08,200
And it was a university type building where people could go and learn anything they wanted
655
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:13,720
to learn from all the different forms of life, from all the different societies ever, but
656
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:15,920
they were only eternal truths.
657
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,760
So you can only go there to learn truths.
658
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:24,400
You couldn't go there to learn misinterpretations or manipulations like we, we learned here.
659
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:31,080
And no matter what people say, almost all universities here are only filled with interpretations
660
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,560
and manipulations, not eternal truths.
661
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:41,720
Um, only in physics and, and, and only in certain schools are you actually getting unmanipulated,
662
00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:45,160
um, uninterpreted eternal truths.
663
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:50,520
Um, most schools everywhere, you're only getting what people want you to learn, not what, what
664
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,800
is actually there for us to learn.
665
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,000
So, um, yeah, this, this school is amazing.
666
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:02,760
And, and I got to experience a little bit of how, how it works and how someone has to match
667
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,240
the frequency of a class or a room to be able to get in.
668
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:09,560
If they can't match it, then the room just doesn't open up.
669
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,960
There's just no doorway for them, but they keep walking and there's going to be a doorway
670
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:14,960
for them.
671
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:19,160
So, so if it doesn't match them, they just keep walking until the one does match them
672
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,160
and the doorway appears, they're able to go in.
673
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:28,960
So it really is built out of, um, this love for us, for all of creation, um, and for us
674
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:34,500
to, for us to fully comprehend just, just the amount of love that it took to create
675
00:41:34,500 --> 00:41:36,160
the grass.
676
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,600
We would completely change how we live in this world.
677
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:40,600
Wow.
678
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:45,280
Because that, that love is so beautiful and it's, and it's for us, it's, God loves us
679
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,560
so, so much.
680
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:52,200
We have no idea that we are the royalty of all creation as humans.
681
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:53,200
We are the royalty.
682
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:58,960
We are, we are the Kings and Queens of all creation because God created the whole universe
683
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:05,000
and God gathered all the universes, all the, all the creations and brought it together
684
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,520
in one creation here on earth.
685
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:14,240
And with the purpose of, of creating these physical bodies for us to, to drive around
686
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:21,440
for a little while for us to learn how to exercise agency and learn how to make our
687
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,620
own decisions without the influence of God's love.
688
00:42:25,620 --> 00:42:31,100
And why that's important is because when you're in the presence of God's love, anything you
689
00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:36,960
want is exactly what God wants because that love is so strong.
690
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:41,320
You can't have your own independent thought where you actually want something that God
691
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,200
or doesn't want.
692
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:51,080
So God knew for us to learn the, learn that, you know, this life is, is all about us learning
693
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,960
and then, and it's so funny because so many of our religions teach us that, that life
694
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,060
is a courtroom, but in actuality, it's a classroom.
695
00:42:59,060 --> 00:43:00,080
It's not a courtroom.
696
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,080
It's a classroom.
697
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,080
We're here to learn.
698
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,080
That's it.
699
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:10,140
We're here to, to learn how to, how to love, how to create and how to make choices.
700
00:43:10,140 --> 00:43:11,440
That's it.
701
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,400
And I equate it to like a spiritual gym.
702
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:21,800
We're here to learn the resistance of, of distance and, and making choices and, and
703
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,800
exercising those choices so that we can learn to create.
704
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:31,880
And, and, and that becomes very important for us in the long run because, you know,
705
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:37,760
we get that power of creation throughout this life here in very limited forms.
706
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:43,280
But as we graduate in a good way, we get to continue to create, we get to do some really
707
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:48,020
amazing beautiful things as we master creation here.
708
00:43:48,020 --> 00:43:51,520
But it begins with our choices, just our choices here.
709
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,080
Did you witness any others?
710
00:43:53,080 --> 00:44:00,200
I guess I'd call them sort of day to day type things besides people in the university.
711
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,100
Were there people doing other things?
712
00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:03,100
Were there houses?
713
00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:04,480
There was.
714
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:09,180
So I came down near the university type part of heaven.
715
00:44:09,180 --> 00:44:14,120
There is a whole nother part that was distant to me, but I was aware of.
716
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,360
And this is, this is what they call the transition part of heaven.
717
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:23,880
So when there's mass transitions or mass graduations, that means, you know, from our perspective,
718
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:28,040
from the world's perspective, that means big groups of people leaving the earth all at
719
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,040
once.
720
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,220
That would mean like, you know, wars or that kind of thing.
721
00:44:32,220 --> 00:44:37,000
There's this this big area there for that specifically for this.
722
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:42,840
And they build these little domes on heaven for these souls, they go into these domes
723
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:47,080
and they're kind of like these pearls of light that we talked about earlier.
724
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:52,620
But it's not it's not something someone has to cleanse because of free agency.
725
00:44:52,620 --> 00:44:56,720
It's something that someone has to cleanse because someone else's free agency put them
726
00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:57,720
in heaven.
727
00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:04,680
So that means the bad decisions of mankind ended, you know, ended that person's life.
728
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,360
They they end up in heaven as a quote unquote victim.
729
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:13,560
Well, God cleanses them of that victimness or that victimhood so that so that they are
730
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:18,720
completely clean as they enter heaven, even to the point where it wasn't their choice
731
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:21,560
at all, you know, that this happened to them.
732
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:26,320
But they're there to be cleansed so that they can go and do their thing, you know, go and
733
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:27,560
do their special thing.
734
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,920
It's it's really a cool place, though.
735
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:37,000
I got to grasp a little bit of of what to expect when I go back and how, you know, for
736
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:42,720
for those of us who have lived where we lost a child and and we really want to gain that
737
00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:48,360
that time back, that that missing time with our child, we're actually granted that there
738
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,440
will be able to go back and actually have the time we thought we missed, whether it
739
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:59,000
was from a baby or from an adult child that we lost or if there's a mother that we lost,
740
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,600
we feel early.
741
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,560
It's really such a healing place.
742
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,160
We get to have what we need out of it.
743
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:12,080
And and when we get in that space where God's love is just so permeating us and just cleansing
744
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:19,040
us, if we still feel we're missing out on something, God facilitates that we can have,
745
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,240
you know, if you want to call it an illusion or whatever you want to call it, we get to
746
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:23,440
have it, though.
747
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:29,120
We get to literally have it, though, like really have it where we get to experience
748
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:34,920
and have those things we felt we were robbed or missed in this life in such a beautiful
749
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:35,920
way.
750
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:41,720
But most most people, they get that that all tremendous love cleansing them.
751
00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:42,720
That's enough.
752
00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:43,720
That's all they need.
753
00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:47,160
You know, but but what's so neat, though, is that love so great that they we get whatever
754
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:52,880
we need out of heaven, we do to heal us, to cleanse us, to get us ready for what's next.
755
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:59,500
And what's next for most of us is is mastering that power of creation, going out and exercising
756
00:46:59,500 --> 00:47:02,560
creation and and mastering that power of it.
757
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:07,580
And still with God's stewardship over us, we're we're given better responsibilities
758
00:47:07,580 --> 00:47:09,000
than we're given here.
759
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,920
Essentially, you learned a lot in a very short amount of time.
760
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,040
Oh, yeah, very short amount of time.
761
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:21,400
Now, I say time as it related to your body in the hospital.
762
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,720
I know time isn't really a thing.
763
00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:24,720
Yeah.
764
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:25,720
When you're on the other side.
765
00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:31,000
So you could experience what to us may seem like years worth here in pretty much a split
766
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,000
second.
767
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,080
It was three days.
768
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,400
So I was brain dead for three days.
769
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,160
And so during those three days is when this is all happening.
770
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:39,160
Yeah.
771
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:43,320
Is there anything else from that experience where you were there in that heavenly place
772
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,960
that you want to tell us about before we come back to Earth?
773
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:52,080
Well, as the most beautiful part of my whole experience happened right after all this.
774
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:53,640
So I'm I'm touched down in heaven.
775
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,360
I'm experiencing all of this.
776
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,840
I'm just trying to take in as much as I can.
777
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:58,840
And it was weird.
778
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:03,520
I almost felt like this sense that it was short, like I had to hurry and get everything
779
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:08,080
I could, almost like a childlike thirst for learning.
780
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:09,080
Right.
781
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,040
I just really wanted to learn about everything.
782
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:16,400
And my guide, all of a sudden out of nowhere, he says to me, he says, Vinnie, I know this
783
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,860
is going to be hard, but it's going to be worth it.
784
00:48:19,860 --> 00:48:24,160
And as he said this, he he went to hug me.
785
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:29,720
And there it's really weird because even though there is physical, it's also it's not physical
786
00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:30,800
like here.
787
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,120
Here is low density physical.
788
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:39,740
And there it's a very higher density where you can take two bodies and actually become
789
00:48:39,740 --> 00:48:42,520
one for a minute as you hug each other.
790
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:47,560
And this hug that we do here is a mimic of what that hug is there.
791
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:56,000
The hug there is where our two our two energies, our two forces came together in one in God.
792
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,740
And he gave me this hug, this this hug.
793
00:48:59,740 --> 00:49:03,840
It's the most beautiful thing that I'd ever felt.
794
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,760
I felt truly loved.
795
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,040
Not because of what I'd done.
796
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:16,120
Not because of what I could have done, but because I was because I am because I exist.
797
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:22,760
I was just so loved by by Drake and in essence, God, because Drake was there facilitating
798
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:29,280
God and he he helped me understand that he was there as my guide working for God.
799
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:36,680
And I felt just this absolute love from him, from God to through him.
800
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:44,240
And as I was feeling and experiencing this love out of nowhere, I start hearing a prayer
801
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:51,760
or a blessing being said over my body.
802
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,480
Vinny's story is amazing and there's much more to hear.
803
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,140
The rest will be in part two coming out later this week.
804
00:49:58,140 --> 00:50:03,320
In part two, we will hear how Vinny came back and what happened to him after he came back
805
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:04,320
to his body.
806
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,880
And believe me, it's just as incredible as what you've heard so far.
807
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:14,120
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808
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:18,240
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809
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:20,720
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810
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:35,720
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