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One of life's greatest questions is what happens to us after we die? Is death the end or a new beginning?
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Welcome to the Round Trip Death Podcast. In this show, we listen to firsthand accounts of people who have gone beyond the veil and return to talk about it.
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Today we are talking with Mindy down in beautiful sunny Florida. How are you today, Mindy?
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Doing great. Are you from Florida? Because your accent does not sound like it one little bit. And I could guess where, but you tell me.
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Brooklyn. Not Long Island? No, I was, you know, above my pay rate.
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Although both of them are from Long Island. Anyway, yeah. To me, they sound a little bit alike, but definitely, yeah, Brooklyn.
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The Brooklyn totally makes sense. We're going to be talking today a little bit about the NDE that you had and what led up to it.
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And I don't want to depress our listeners, but I know you had a really tough life and that and it kind of plays into the story of what happened here.
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Would you mind just giving us a little background leading up to, you know, in your life, what happened?
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Sure. Well, I grew up in an institution for child abuse and the abuse continued.
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I married an abusive man and I ended up divorced two kids, three jobs and nothing working out.
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I had a business. I had two businesses, you know, asked to be partner in two salons. Neither of those worked.
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And I got to the point that I felt if I touched it, it was doomed to fail. And I could never understand why.
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Because I thought I did everything right and moralistic and good and the way it should be and didn't matter.
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So that led me up to the near death where I felt God hated me and I decided I'm going to keep him out of my life.
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And that's where it began. So was this an experience where you got sick, you got it in accident or something else?
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Well, I was extremely depressed. I was health wise, heavy, sluggish. I don't know.
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Just the depression was unbearable and fear, tremendous fear, which I very often said was my only emotion.
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And how did you feel about God at that point? Were you blaming?
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I felt everything was his fault because I didn't have parents to blame or anyone. So must be God.
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I decided that as a child and I decided when I was an adult and I got to run things, I'll do it right.
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And I won't have any more problems because I'll do everything the right way.
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And God will love me and do it with me and everything will be good.
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So when I became an adult and that didn't work, I was 52 when I gave up.
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And what I gave up on was God. And basically, that's all I had. And so I couldn't really go any lower.
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I didn't want to live, but I felt that I had to stay out of obligation to my children.
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And I came up with an idea that I'll become a shell and I'll have no more wants or needs and I'll never be heard again.
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And I thought that was a genius plan. I was so happy that I thought of it and wished I thought of it sooner.
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But the God I thought hated me must have been listening. Well, he listened because the night I decided that I walked into my bedroom and I looked up at the ceiling.
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And I said, I don't know what kind of God you are, but I don't want to God like that in my life.
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And I said, really, God so and so gets the salon because I had been pushed out of the second one.
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I was arrested a few times and whatever craziness was going on.
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And I was running the whole business. And because she had money, she came out of jail and said, why don't you take your name off the business?
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And I said, me? But I do everything. And she said, I said, why don't you take your name off?
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She said, you can't afford this without me. And the fear just came.
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Because I had two kids at home. I had a house and I had no parents, no family, no money. And he or she had a husband who was very wealthy and accountants and lawyers.
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And and so again, I lost it. And I felt I didn't do anything wrong and I didn't deserve it.
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And it must be God. And I had learned a couple of years earlier to never say, well, I started to around that time, maybe every time I said, thank you, God.
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Everything fell apart. And that's how I looked at it. So I was scared to thank him.
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Soon after that, I would say, is when I said, I don't know what's important to you, but she gets the salon.
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My ex husband wasn't paying the child support. He gets from the new in-laws and inherits two houses like.
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And I'm working three jobs and struggling. It's got to be God. Who else is doing this to me?
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And so I said, I don't want to God like you in my life. And I meant it.
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And the next day I woke up to go to work.
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And that was a new job that I hadn't been paid in many weeks.
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And I decided I'll go as a volunteer just because I couldn't take any more anger and resentment.
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And I clicked the TV on and I heard we are body, soul and spirit.
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And most people have no power in their life because they don't go deep enough to reach spirit where all the power is.
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And at first I thought, is he talking to me? Because I'm not speaking to God anymore.
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And I don't know why the TV is talking to me right now.
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And my second thought was maybe that's my problem.
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So I said, I'll do that. I'll go deep enough where spirit is, even though I had no idea what that meant.
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And that night when I came home, I sat down on my bed and I closed my eyes and I pushed myself in.
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And I felt immediately my soul leave my body.
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Now, I don't think it was that act alone.
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I think it started at least the day before, if not sooner, when I made the declaration to God that I was done.
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Maybe it was God's plan. Well, obviously it was God's plan to bring me there and teach me.
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And I was taken out of my body to a designated place and out of space and taught.
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And I saw images and learnings and I came back a different person as I remain today, nine years later.
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OK, I've got 50 questions to fill in right here.
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First of all, for those that aren't that familiar, there's some terminology in this whole near death experience realm.
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There's there's near death experience, NDE. There's out of body experience, OBE.
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There's spiritually transformative experience. And there's more.
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You sent your experience written up into ions. And what did they say about it?
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Probable NDE. OK, probable. That's how they list NDE.
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And today we're not going to we don't need to put labels on things, but you you left.
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Let me make sure I understand this. Your spirit left your body, right?
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How do you know that? Well, I want the biggest way I know is that I'm totally different.
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But I'll tell you what happened. I went through the room.
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Through the ceiling, out to outer space, through dimensions, I felt it switch.
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And so you saw these things going through the roof of the house, et cetera, go into the detail.
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It's OK. Tell us all about it.
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The first thing I felt was it's really up. God, heaven, dead people.
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It's really up because I felt myself rising.
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My second thought, I got out of the house and I was in the atmosphere
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and I saw the stars all around me and I said, this is where I'm from.
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This is my home. And as I thought that I knew I was made up of the same thing as the stars,
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but I felt it switch dimensionally at that minute.
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So I wasn't only rising, I was changing dimensions at the same time.
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Then I rose and kind of moved to the left.
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And I was in a location near the moon somewhere in the atmosphere.
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And it was beautiful, amazing, peaceful, wonderful.
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And you didn't have to worry, obviously, about breathing or whatever, like an astronaut would.
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No. I felt more natural than the body. The body's tight and uncomfortable.
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That's natural and wonderful.
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OK. Did you meet any people, beings while you were there?
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I had two guides with me. I didn't see them like I see you.
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I felt them, sort of saw, felt.
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They did show me people, images while I was there as part of the learning.
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If they happened to be on the subject, I saw images.
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But they weren't dead and they weren't there. They were just for learning purposes.
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I saw my ex-husband, I saw my ex-business partner.
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I saw an elderly man floating in a hospital bed.
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All of these were during teaching. Those three things.
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I saw many other things, not necessarily people.
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I saw three Mindis, body, soul and spirit. They explained all that.
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I also saw the two people I saw, my ex-husband and partner in body, soul and spirit.
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They explained it. Everything was images for teaching.
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That's all it was. Was no visiting and no...
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Well, it also was a healing.
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As I rose, I heard, he knows every hair on your head, Mindy.
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And every moment matters.
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And where it matters is in your soul.
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Those were the first words I heard.
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And then I was completely healed. I felt all the pain of a lifetime.
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Draining and filling me up with what I could only say is liquid love.
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And purely healed. And I know God did that.
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Because they, the guides, said he knows every hair on your head.
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And I felt him do that.
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The rest, they did.
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And I felt him hovering while they were teaching.
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Not the whole time, but there were times when I felt him overseeing it.
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But I don't know if they were given that assignment.
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Do you have any idea who these guides were?
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No, spirit guides. I didn't feel I knew them.
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Explain liquid love.
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My body filled with it.
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The only word I could think of was liquid love.
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That's what it felt like. Head to toe, pure love.
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That was healing all my pain of a lifetime.
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Nothing fit except that word.
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Yeah. Why the word liquid? Did it feel like it moved?
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I don't know.
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When I tried to think about it,
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those are the words that seemed right to me.
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I don't know why. They fit.
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I mean, doing these interviews, I have people, you know, all the time,
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trying to explain what that love of God felt like during their experience.
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And there's never the adjectives to do it.
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But the word liquid love is really interesting to me.
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That's why I wondered if you could expound on that at all.
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It sort of felt like it poured in me.
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And the only word is love. That's all I felt.
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Okay. Now, did you feel like you were going further and further away
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or like you were coming back to your body at some point?
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There was a time when I was going further in the beginning
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as I kept rising up and they were bringing me to whatever spot
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they decided to bring me to.
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That was further and further in the beginning I was going.
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And coming back, I don't remember coming back.
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I just remember being back.
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You don't remember having a choice to go back.
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You just all of a sudden were back.
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No. I remember thinking at one point, well, I was saying to them,
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what if I go back and do it again because they were showing me my part?
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And then I pictured my kids and I knew I was coming back for that reason,
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for my children, and I wanted to for them.
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I didn't want to leave them stranded.
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But other than that, I don't remember coming back.
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When you say they showed you your part, was that like a life review?
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No. They explained that, well, they showed me the three Mindies.
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And they said the first one, well, they didn't say,
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but they didn't address the first one, was like a flesh Mindy.
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All this is floating and out of space.
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The second one was an outline of Mindy.
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Like I describe it in the book like a gingerbread, like a soft outline,
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but it's energy.
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And the third one was wind of Mindy.
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And they said to me, the first one is your, no, they didn't address the first one.
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I knew it was flesh.
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The second one, they said, that is your soul.
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And when I looked at it, I saw liquid up until my ankles.
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And I thought, because everything is telepathic, what is that?
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And right away they answered, that is your soul.
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You are empty to your ankles.
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Because even though your actions were good, you were filled with fear and resentment.
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And God will not attach to fear, resentment, or any negativity.
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And negativity will not fill your soul.
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It will drain your soul.
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Positivity will fill your soul.
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And it's up to you to do that, to fill your soul.
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And that's when I said, what if I go back and do it again?
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And they said, you will know by the words.
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And I saw a silver strobe come up.
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And it was like alive.
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Everything was alive.
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The stars, the planets, everything was alive.
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What God for us?
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And words started coming.
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They had words on the left side and right side.
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Good words.
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Hundreds of them.
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Thousands just kept coming.
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And they said, you will know by the word.
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Your life will go in the direction of your thoughts.
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And it can't be based on your circumstances.
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And that was one of the, that was the most important thing they said to me.
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Because I was a victim and I was a good one.
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The best victim I know.
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I started it young.
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Did you learn how to control those thoughts?
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Took me, I'm still learning.
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Nine years in.
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I carried a book around when I came back to try to write down.
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I realized that I had this responsibility and also that I wanted to do the right thing.
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And honor this.
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Much more happened.
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But I wanted to honor this gift.
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I came back like a new person.
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And I was very thankful.
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And humbled and devastated that I had blamed God.
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I cried for about a year.
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But I took it very serious.
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And I said I'm going to write down good words.
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I couldn't think of three good words.
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I didn't even know what that meant.
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I never tried to control my mind in that way or understood what I was doing.
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And I had to be, I don't want to say infantile, almost.
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On my thoughts to change.
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So I said to myself, you know, they said at one point there's good and bad and no in between.
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So if it's not bad, it must be good.
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So the color purple is not bad.
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Or the dresser over there was in my bedroom is not bad.
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Or flowers not bad.
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So I would write these little words down.
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And I said oh my God, I'm surrounded by good.
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And I learned how to see the good in everything and how to understand what was happening and what was my part.
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And really focus in right there in that little spot.
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I wanted to make 100 good words.
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I never reached it.
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Probably still didn't reach it.
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But I changed in the efforts to do that.
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I changed.
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Well, and you mentioned a minute ago that you're nine years in now.
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You almost sound like there was a life before the experience and a different life since then.
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Well, I have to always be honest, which I am, which I was before.
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I'm still human.
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My favorite is people who knew me before because I'm so different.
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But I am living life, you know.
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And the longer it is, the more human I kind of am.
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I'm never the same as I was.
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And I know things I didn't know.
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But I'm on the earth.
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I have to earn a living.
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My outside life didn't change as much as my inside life.
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That's completely different.
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I'm still a hairdresser.
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I'm still supporting two kids who are now older than me.
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That's what I tell them and they are.
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And it's hard life.
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Still don't have the support system.
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Still don't have any of that.
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But I'm not the same.
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So I live, you know, my internal life is different.
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That's all I could say.
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I'm different.
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External, I guess we all have our road.
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That's how it is.
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And anything else during your experience that you saw or felt or learned
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that you'd like to tell us about?
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Yes.
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At one point, well, I want to tell you all of it.
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At one point, I saw an elderly man floating in outer space in boxer shorts,
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in a hospital bed.
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And they said, when you suffer at the end of your life, it's not in vain,
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but a burning away.
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And they didn't say karma, but I'm going to say karma because I don't remember.
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They just said like a burning away of life almost for a benefit on the other side.
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And I remember thinking that's nice of them to tell me.
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I didn't ask, you know, I just saw images.
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So I feel that, well, I believe every word they say, but I feel that everything is on purpose.
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It's not just that.
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I don't know why they decided to tell me that.
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But at the end of someone's life, if they suffer, it's a reason.
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It's a higher purpose.
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It's not just to suffer.
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It's set up for a reason.
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They also told me, they showed me my business partner, my ex-husband,
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and they showed me them as in body, soul, and spirit also.
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And they said, forgive them, for they know not what they do.
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And what they do is to their soul.
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I got it that minute that it doesn't end here.
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And the damage is to our soul.
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And there was something else I was going to tell you that they taught me now.
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I forgot.
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But there was a lot of teachings.
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I want you to have them all.
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Let me think.
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Let me think.
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Oh, there was one point.
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Oh, OK.
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Let me just read you this from the book.
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I saw the moon surface.
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Then I heard, God is the sun, the stars, and the moon.
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Is the moon mad at you, Mindy?
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That was in the beginning.
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When I landed in the Kailah, and you don't land.
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I was always floating and in awe of how beautiful the stars were.
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They're nothing like we see in pictures.
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They're getting a little better now, the pictures.
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But it was very dense.
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And they're very bright and colorful.
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And there's millions of them.
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It's not like a lot of space.
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I think on the way up, maybe.
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But once you were there, it's very dense.
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And it felt like a lot was going on, even though I couldn't see it all.
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But there was one point when I, again, I'll say landed.
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But you know, it's floating.
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You're not landing.
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I saw the moon coming towards me.
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And I remember thinking, I could see the surface of the moon.
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And I don't know why, you know, and then just go on to the next thing.
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There were some odd things that took me kind of out of that realm for a minute.
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The other thing was when they showed me body, soul, and spirit.
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And they said, the wind is your spirit.
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It is one with all.
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Just like the wind doesn't change from Brooklyn to Staten Island,
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your spirit doesn't change from one to another.
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And I remember thinking, they said Staten Island.
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Like those were the times I was kind of pulled out for a second, saying how weird is this?
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But otherwise, I was engrossed and loving every minute of it.
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It was just fabulous.
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So do you think that's the way they normally talk or they were kind of directing it towards you because that was your frame of reference?
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They're familial.
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I'll tell you that.
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I don't know because it was put in my mind.
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So it's not like you're hearing talk or anything.
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I don't think so.
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But I think everything is everything.
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Do you understand?
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Everything they are aware of and part of.
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So it's as familiar to them, I guess, as it is to us, our neighborhoods.
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How else has this changed your life since it happened?
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Well, the biggest change is that I'm not a victim.
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But the responsibility I have to give back, complete change.
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What was I giving back if I was a victim?
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That's a complete change.
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I know my part.
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I can't always be perfect and do perfect.
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But I catch myself and I want to and I understand more of how things work and the makings.
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I also feel nine years later much more pulled again from them.
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Like, in other words, given assignments.
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Because I want to say I was sent back.
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That's how it felt.
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And my first couple of years were done forgiving, mostly God, healing.
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Every day I cried.
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And I also had a burning inside, like healing, terrible pressure.
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Like, in other words, anything could trigger me.
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I would watch spiritual shows and I would feel a rising up in my soul.
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Pressure and healing.
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And I would actually make a sound like ehhhh.
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I would actually feel this.
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But I knew it was God healing me.
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And then I would cry.
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That went on at least a year.
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And a lot of other strange things.
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But that has passed.
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But lately, maybe the past six months, they're pulling on me a lot to get more involved spiritually.
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I had told God a couple of months ago, I felt it coming.
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In fact, on the last podcast.
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And I said, you know, I was just starting to feel that.
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And I said, if you want me to do more, you got to give me time.
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I'm working hard, you know, doing hair.
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My business completely died.
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I'm scared for my life.
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And then I remembered what I said.
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And I said, I didn't mean it like that.
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I don't want to be homeless.
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But I do feel this responsibility.
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And it kind of comes in different ways at different times, according to them.
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And it's okay with me.
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If they make a way.
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Be careful what you ask for.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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So how can you help other victims out there?
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Well, the favorite victims, there's many, are people who were lost or didn't know what was going on.
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I mean, I grew up in an institution for child abuse.
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I just felt cursed or something.
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I didn't feel I didn't know what was happening.
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Why is my life so hard?
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And I had no hope.
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And those are the people I would like to reach.
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I do understand that they don't know what I'm talking about.
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Like I didn't.
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I understand that.
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But I still try to give them hope when I do their hair.
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It's like a floundering.
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You're floundering on earth.
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I was in the state of confusion.
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So by telling my story, and they told me anyway, that was another direct command.
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Go back and tell others.
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I feel that forgive when they said forgive them for they know not what they do.
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That's a direct command.
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And go back and tell others.
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And tell others what?
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What happened to me, which I felt was strange at the time they said it because I said, who will listen?
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They then spent the next two years, three years pressuring me to write a book.
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And I did feel the freedom to say, you do it.
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I can do it.
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That's so great.
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I want to do that with everything.
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You told me when we were talking previously, and I've had other people tell me this too.
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By the way, for our listeners, a lot of people who have had near death experiences have felt like they need to share it.
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And one of the ways they could do it is in the form of a book.
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So a lot of people we have on this show have written a book.
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How many of them are making a million dollars off their book?
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Nobody.
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Hardly anybody.
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Most people are not making anything on their books.
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So when I plug somebody's book on this show, don't let that take away from the credibility of the person talking because they're likely not making anything on their book anyway.
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They just feel the need and desire to share their experience.
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Your book is called what?
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Visit to Heaven, What I Learned on the Other Side by Mindy Sparanza.
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You saw it, right?
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You looked at it.
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It's on Amazon.
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It's on Amazon and it's in that audio.
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It's all over the world.
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It's also in the library.
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But it's not even mine.
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You know, I just did what I was told humbly and thankful to do it.
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But is it me?
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It's as much mine as my children.
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It just came through me from another source.
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That's it.
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I'm a hairdresser.
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That's my hard work for many years.
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Not this.
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This is their work.
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And I just put it down.
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I just did what they wanted so they would leave me alone because you don't get peace.
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You know, if they want something done, it's going to get done.
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So, you know, I don't take this book as anything.
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And mostly I give them away.
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I buy them like everyone else on Amazon and I give them away.
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So it's nothing about money just so that I could sleep it.
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That's it.
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When you say they are telling you what to do, are these the two people that you met?
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I think so.
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Yeah, because they were the only ones close to me, you know, when I was there.
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And I feel like it's them.
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Yeah, they wanted it.
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Now, if we don't know how to listen to those voices, explain how you do.
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How do you how do you hear this?
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How do you know they're telling you something?
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I get pressure in my body, my stomach and my chest, and I hear messages in my mind at the same time.
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And I know that it's from them.
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I also can get it on other subjects in my life, direction.
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You know, it took me a long time to listen.
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I listen better now.
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I'm still learning more.
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But they give me a physical sensation and the message in my mind at the same time.
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Give us an example of other things in your life they tell you about.
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Well, this is not exactly the same.
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But when I first came back, every time I went near the TV, I heard a radio, static voices.
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Even the TV was off.
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But for some reason, it was in an armor and it was near there that I would always hear it.
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And it was like, and I couldn't understand what they were saying.
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And I kept saying, why is somebody leaving a radio on?
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I didn't know if it was from outside, from inside.
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I couldn't even identify it.
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I couldn't hear it.
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I didn't know it was them.
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That was outside of my body.
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Messages now, if it's directive, are inside.
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So if I stop and think, I can get an answer to something.
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Should I go in this way?
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Should I?
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And I won't go anymore until I get that answer.
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If I feel pressure, nervous, afraid, or like it's almost like I'm being stopped, I won't do.
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I won't do something.
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I won't go forward.
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Sometimes I forget to listen and I just go.
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You know, just me without any insight.
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But if I stop, it's always there for me.
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Because, you know, after the first few years, like four or five, I kind of went on with my life a little bit.
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Never the same, but not as much in tune.
470
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And now it's changing again and coming back stronger.
471
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,000
I don't know.
472
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,000
They're doing it.
473
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,000
I'm up.
474
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,000
But that's how it's happening in my case.
475
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,000
Well, they're telling you to get your message out there.
476
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,000
You're doing it right now as we're talking.
477
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,000
Yes.
478
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,000
And let's finish up with this.
479
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,000
What is your main message of hope that you would like to share?
480
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,000
That we're loved.
481
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,000
God loves us.
482
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,000
He doesn't hate us.
483
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,000
And he means well for us.
484
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,000
But he's not going to do it for us.
485
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,000
And we do have responsibility.
486
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,000
This is our road, our path, our life.
487
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:04,000
How important is forgiveness in your journey and in your healing?
488
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,000
Very important.
489
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,000
Direct command.
490
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,000
I had to forgive my father.
491
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,000
That was a big one.
492
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,000
I don't know if I even finished truthfully.
493
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,000
I'm working on it for nine years.
494
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,000
I'm better.
495
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,000
I had to ask God to forgive me.
496
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:25,000
Because I judged him wrong.
497
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,000
But I know it's important because they didn't give me a lot of commands.
498
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,000
And they gave me that one.
499
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,000
Forgive them for they know not what they do.
500
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,000
And what they do is to their soul.
501
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,000
Now, why do I got to forgive them if there's a God?
502
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,000
He could forgive them.
503
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,000
But he told me to do it.
504
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,000
That's important.
505
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,000
And I do do it.
506
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,000
And that was for you, not for them.
507
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,000
How about forgiving yourself?
508
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,000
Well, I was the victim.
509
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,000
I did nothing wrong.
510
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:01,000
So I forgive myself for judging God, yes.
511
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,000
Because that was my biggest sin in my eyes.
512
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,000
I still do it sometimes.
513
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,000
But I stop myself.
514
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:11,000
Because I want things and how come I'm getting them and whose fault is it?
515
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,000
You know, I always have to monitor it.
516
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,000
But I really know the truth now.
517
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,000
That's the difference.
518
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,000
Okay.
519
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,000
Mindy, thanks a lot.
520
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,000
Appreciate your time.
521
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:47,000
My pleasure.
522
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,000
I'll see you next time.
