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One of life's greatest questions is what happens to us after we die?
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Is death the end or a new beginning?
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Welcome to the Round Trip Death Podcast.
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In this show, we listen to firsthand accounts of people who have gone beyond the veil and
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return to talk about it.
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We have with us today, Tina and Jelly.
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Welcome to the show, Tina.
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Oh, thank you for having me.
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Tina, you are just a sweetheart and I can't wait for everybody to get to know you a little
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bit better.
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Are you from Italy?
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Yes, I was born in Italy.
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I came to this country when I was 14 years old.
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So you have just a teeny hint of an accent still in there.
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I love it.
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Yeah.
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And what does Angelli mean?
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Angelli means angels in Italian.
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Is that just a coincidence or did your family seek that out somehow?
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I actually chose it after I got the worst.
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Oh, I like that.
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Okay.
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Before we talk about your near death experiences, can you give us a little bit about you so
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our listeners can get to know you some?
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Okay.
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So I live in Granby, Connecticut on a piece of property with the largest private labyrinth
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in Connecticut, which I created about 18 years ago.
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And it's open to the public so people come and visit and the energy is very far up there.
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Now I have a friend that also made a labyrinth in their backyard and it seems quite large.
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How big is yours?
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Mine is 84 feet.
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It takes a quarter of an acre of land.
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Yeah that's large.
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So if I were to walk the whole thing, how far would that be?
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It would be a couple of miles, I think.
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My husband is an engineer so he figured that one out.
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For those that aren't familiar with a labyrinth, tell them what it is and what its purpose
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is.
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Basically, in a nutshell, it's a walking prayer meditation tool and it's an ancient.
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I believe the first one they were saying that it was built like 4,000 years ago and now
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it's coming back.
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So a lot of places like hospitals and centers build them.
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That's interesting.
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Okay, so what do you do there in Connecticut?
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I took a re-retirement a few years ago and that's when I began to do my real work.
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I started to do meditation channel groups here out of my home and I have events on my
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property as well like Brumming Circle, some things like that.
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And you have a support group at the hospital too, don't you?
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Oh yes.
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The Yukon Health Center in Farmington, Connecticut, that's where it began, the near-death experience
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support group.
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But now because of COVID, it's only online and we have a website for that which is nbect.org
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so anybody can attend.
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It's always the second Monday of every month.
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In this realm where we're talking about near-death experiences, there have become a few different
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colloquial kind of things, NDEs for near-death experience, OBEs for out-of-body experience,
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and some others.
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Would you mind going way back and tell us what happened to you as a small child and
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how it maybe fits into that?
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Yes, when I was two years old, my one-year-old sister died of a childhood disease.
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And my parents were so involved in their grief that I felt abandoned, emotionally abandoned.
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And a few other things which I described in my book, more details.
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But basically what happened was I, right after my sister died, every night before I went
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to sleep, this beautiful lady would show up and she would float around the room and just
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be with me until I fell asleep.
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And I learned later that when situations such as this or others, examples as well, it's
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because what I ends, the International Association of Near-Death Studies considers these experiences
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as life-transforming events.
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But I didn't know it then.
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I just thought that everybody saw floating ladies around them and stay with them until
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they fell asleep.
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And sometimes she would hide behind a piece of furniture and play peek-a-boo with me.
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I looked forward to that every night.
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And that lasted until you were how old?
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When I was eight years old, which I learned much later that at the age of eight, that's
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when the ego comes into the physical body.
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And that's when you start asking questions or doubting things.
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I felt that this was something that other people did not do and I didn't want to be
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different.
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So I said, okay, I don't want to deal with this right now.
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Automatically no more visits until about 27 years ago when the same angel came over my
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garage at night and gave me the message that she was the same one that used to come and
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visit me as a child in Italy.
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And the message for me at that time was that I needed to just accept my gift, the gift
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of being able to give messages to people.
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I didn't at that time because I felt like, oh my God, where is this coming from?
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I didn't have anyone to talk to at the time.
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And so when she came over the garage, which by the way, I hired a very gifted artist who
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made the cover page of the book and it is the angel that I saw over the garage.
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And she told me what her name was.
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Her name is Naomi and she was the same one I used to see as a child.
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And she told me that it was important for me to just accept my gift because the information
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would be coming through me, not from me.
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I was just an instrument.
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It was a very pivotal time for me to finally accept that.
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Yeah, that's interesting.
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Some people that I've talked to that have had experiences, not exactly like that, but
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with some kind of angel have often found out some sort of a relation, deep family, friends,
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something that was that angel.
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Have you had any experience like that?
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Do you know who Naomi is to you?
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Well, I was told that Naomi, she and I have known each other since before we came on the
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earth and that was part of the contract for her to be of service to me as I grew up.
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She's still with me all the time.
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As a matter of fact, when people come to walk the labyrinth, it's the strangest thing, but
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they forget to leave.
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Hours go by and they just roam around and they shield the energy there.
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Well, maybe somebody will get to return the favor for Naomi.
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What do you think?
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Well, you never know.
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That's okay.
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All right, let's talk about a near death experience.
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What led up to your drowning?
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Some friends of ours and their children asked us to go with them at this lake.
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It was a manmade lake.
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The kids were having such a great time.
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My children were only, oh my goodness, son.
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I was in my 20s, so my kids might have been six, seven, and there's a three year difference
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and so three or four.
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They were in the water just enjoying themselves.
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I was being very careful and watching them.
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I went in because I never learned to swim, so I went in deep into the water.
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I tripped on a rock and I went down.
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I fell in and the harder I would try to come up, the deeper I would go.
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All of a sudden, it was starting to hurt because I was swallowing water and my chest hurt immensely.
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All of a sudden, I heard this click, like somebody snapping their fingers and suddenly,
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no more pain.
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I was just floating in there, no pain.
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I started to see this incredible, it was like a slideshow.
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It was above my head, but I could see it very clearly.
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These slideshows were events that had happened to me up until that day.
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Some of them that I didn't recognize, I would say, what is that?
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Of course, telepathically.
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Another snap again, and they would give me the clarity that those events that I did not
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recognize were past lives.
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The theme was all about my husband at the time who had started to become abusive.
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I started to see the slideshow and it showed my life in the future and I knew instinctively
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that was also my life in the future and how things were going to get a lot tougher for
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me.
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It was going to become even worse at abuse.
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It felt like I had a choice.
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I could either get out of it or just continue to stay there.
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One thing that had happened, and I remember very clearly, I was very focused on doing
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this, on getting out of the abuse of marriage also for the sake of my children.
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I didn't want my girls to think that that's the way a man is supposed to treat a woman.
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Suddenly I felt myself being pulled from the water and it wasn't my husband that did that.
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It was my friend Emma who was there and saw me.
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Apparently she saw me struggling.
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She knew that I couldn't swim, so she came and pulled me.
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I felt, of course it hurt because I was coughing up water and the kids were crying and all
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that.
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But I also felt like I had gained this incredible strength by having this.
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And I considered that type of near-death experience a life review.
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Have you ever heard of a life review?
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Yeah.
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We talk about that a lot where people remember, usually actually see almost like a movie events
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that happen during their life.
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Yes.
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And mine went all the way back to previous lifetimes that I had been with him in other
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lifetimes.
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And he also, it was a theme for him that I had died on his hands in previous lifetimes.
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And who's the he?
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My ex-husband.
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Okay.
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I would love to ask you some questions about this because I have a feeling there's more
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to it than just this little brief snippet that we've heard now.
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You also mentioned that they communicated telepathically to you.
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Can you tell me who the they are?
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I didn't see or hear anybody, but I knew that I was not alone.
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It was like I was wrapped with this most incredible loving energy that was so protective.
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And as I was being given the information again telepathically, I just knew that I was safe
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some from.
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And I take it that there were guides, angels, whoever was there to protect me because it
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wasn't, it wasn't my time to go.
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Okay.
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Tell us about this loving energy.
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What does it feel like?
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It feels like the most incredible warm embrace that cannot really be described in words,
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but it's the most amazing, incredible embrace that you could possibly ever have by any human
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being.
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That's a great description.
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Very emotional.
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It reminds me of another guest that we've had on our show that said it felt like a hug
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from a thousand grandmas all at one time.
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And sounds good to me.
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Do you remember besides your life review and seeing things that had happened to you, do
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you remember seeing or experiencing anything else?
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The thing that stands out is that snap.
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I would hear every time I had kind of like confusion, feelings in me, I would hear the
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snap and the answer would come to me, the clarity of what was being shown.
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So you didn't have one of those experiences where it's going down a tunnel, seeing a light
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at the end, all that kind of stuff.
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Some people do, some people don't.
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And some people have a different experience coming back into their body.
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Do you remember what that was like at all?
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Well, after I finally was able to cough up the water that I had on my chest and the pain
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started to go away, it just felt like I was so, there was an incredible focus with me
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that I needed to get out of this situation.
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And I was also very protective of my two daughters.
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I wanted them to not experience that kind of experience from a man when they got older.
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So what was the main message you came back with?
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Well, the main message is that I was not a victim.
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I did not have to stay in that type of relationship.
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And also that extra strength that I was given through this experience, it's hard to even
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describe.
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These experiences don't happen just willy-nilly.
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There seems to be, excuse me, there seems to be something always to be learned or something
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in life to be changed from it.
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So mostly for you, this was something to protect you and your children, right?
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To break the pattern of abuse basically from numerous lifetimes.
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Right.
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Okay.
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Now, I know you've self-published a book called We Are Angels.
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What does that mean?
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Where did that come from?
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That's funny because I knew I, the nudge was I needed to write this book and I was very
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frustrated because I, you know, English is my second language.
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I had never written a book before and how was I supposed to do this?
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So I started to put stories together and when I started to write the book, I hadn't even
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had my third, my, you know, the last near-death experience yet.
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So one day I was with my granddaughter, my oldest granddaughter, Olivia, we were making
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cupcakes and I said, Olivia, did I tell you that Mimi's writing a book?
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I said, no, Mimi, you didn't.
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Are you going to have a chapter on angels?
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Because she and I had been talking about the angels and stuff.
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And I said, well, I'm sure there'll be a lot about angels.
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And she says, what is the title?
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I said, I have no idea.
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Why don't you ask them?
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And she put her little chin against my shoulder and goes, then she says, oh, we are angels.
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I said, is that the title of the book?
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And she said, yes, Mimi, that's what they said.
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So I kind of, you know, brushed it aside for a bit, thinking of, you know, a four-year-old
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child.
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But then I started to research and see if a book with that title existed.
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No, there are all kinds of books that are on angels, but not with that title.
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As a matter of fact, I was even able to claim my website with the same title.
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So we are angels.
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Yes, that's my website.
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Okay.
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So what does that mean?
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We are angels.
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Just that.
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We are all angels.
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We come on the earth to play our dramas based on the contracts that we write with each other.
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And then we go back home.
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Okay.
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And you just mentioned a third experience.
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I don't think I've heard about this one.
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Yes.
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On January 5th, 2012, I had a car crash, not far from my home, basically.
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I got hit by an SUV on the driver's side as I turned the corner.
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The young woman wasn't watching.
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She was talking to the guy sitting in our car.
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And I have a small car, which got totaled.
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My car got spinned until it stopped on the side of the road.
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And as that was happening, I heard like a suction, like something was being suctioned
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out of my physical body.
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And it was my soul, which ended up, oh, it's, I call it a room, but it didn't have
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any walls.
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It was all this incredible pulsating, loving white light.
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And in this area was a table, a curved table, very ornate table.
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It was like a half a moon shape.
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And on the other side of this table were nine entities.
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What kind of entities?
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Give me a description.
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Okay.
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They were wearing brown capes.
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Their face did not have, I couldn't see eyes or mouth or nose.
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It was just this white light.
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And I knew instinctively that the reason why these entities were wearing capes was for
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my purpose.
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They wanted me to know how many there were, nine.
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Okay.
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And what was their purpose?
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What did they do?
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They were just standing there.
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I felt instinctively, I knew that the one in the middle was the one that made the decisions.
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I knew instinctively.
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And the other eight, they were just there emanating this most incredible loving energy
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toward me.
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I remember this is all telepathically saying, no, I'm not ready to go yet.
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I have so many things to do still on the earth.
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It's very emotional about it.
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Suddenly, again, the suction, I ended up back in my body.
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And I saw the same people that I saw from above, some of them were coming closer to
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the car, some were just curious, some didn't know what to say.
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And while I was still up there, I could actually read their minds.
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I could tell whether those that were just curious or those that were actually very caring
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people.
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Then somebody came over and says, can you get out of the car?
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Because they were afraid that my car was going to explode.
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And so I said, I don't know.
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My car, the driver's side came in against me.
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The air band got exploded and it was this awful, awful odor.
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So somehow I managed to get out from the other side of the car.
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And then the two people that were waiting for me, because they felt that they couldn't
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help me get out, I had to do it on my own.
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And so then they kind of helped me by my arms, I was very, very weak.
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But I didn't feel anything at that point.
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I didn't feel any pain until I was taken to the hospital.
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And that's when the pain started.
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And they started to give me some medication.
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And they took me to take not x-rays, but some other form of finding out whether I had no
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broken bones.
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That's why that chapter in my book is called the Miracle Car Crash, because my car got
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totaled, but I didn't have any broken bones.
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I had black and blue marks all over the place.
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And the left side of my head, there was a little blood coming out of there, but apparently
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there was no deep damage.
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I want to hear more about these nine entities, as you call them.
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Would you call them angels?
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Would you call them something else?
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It was a strange thing because I didn't know who they were.
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I never remember seeing them before.
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And so I started to say, gee, who are they?
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And I didn't get any answers.
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Then I went for a session.
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I got hypnotized.
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I got hypnotized, and I was taken back to the day of the accident.
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And so automatically, I was back there communicating with them again.
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And I remember more details then through this hypnotism session.
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And I remember that they were saying, they said that more than once.
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They said, enjoy every breath that you take, but they never told me who they were.
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When you give messages to people, don't worry about what they're thinking.
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Just use yourself as an instrument and give it as you receive it, dear one.
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Just enjoy every breath you take.
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And interestingly enough, lately, I've been using those words, enjoy every breath you
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take.
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When I see turmoil on Facebook, for example, I post those words in there.
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And it's like automatically, people don't know how to respond, but things get calm.
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I feel the energy getting calm.
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But going back to that, so I had more information, and I could feel the sensation of how loving
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they were.
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But I still didn't know who they were.
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So one day, I was sitting on my desk, because I had a hard time to write this book.
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It took me 10 years.
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So I'm trying to write more on the book.
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And all of a sudden, my husband was at work.
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All of a sudden, I felt that these nine entities were coming into the room.
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And so I just stopped where I was going, and I looked around, and I didn't see them, but
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I could hear them.
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And all I heard was, your book is going to be very helpful to people that are considering
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suicide.
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Boom, they were gone.
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Again, didn't know who they were.
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And here I am frustrated, saying, oh my God, I can't even write anymore, and they're telling
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me that it's going to be so important.
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Now I'm not going to do this.
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As soon as my ex-husband died, I couldn't stop writing.
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I was writing day and night.
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Most of the book was written just a few months before it was actually published.
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So finally finished it.
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And before I actually published it, I said, I know that people are going to ask me who
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these nine entities are.
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Who are they?
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I received a message.
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They told me that we are the Lords of Karma.
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And actually in my book, I wrote down the explanation as far as who they are as best
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as I could.
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But basically the Lords of Karma are space travelers, not angels, space travelers that
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are helping those of us who have committed through a contract, have committed to be present
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and to be helpful.
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That is their function.
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Because see, that's one thing that people don't seem to understand is that there are
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all kinds of entities out there.
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Some are angels, some are loved ones that have crossed over.
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Their body is shedded, but the soul always remains and sometimes comes back, sometimes
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not.
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But there are also entities that are of other races, extraterrestrials, that have a certain
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function.
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And these Lords of Karma have the function very well defined for themselves.
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They help those of us that have committed to do this type of work to helping people
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and releasing fear, basically.
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Because these changes that are coming up are going to be very scary for some people.
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Can you tell us anything about the changes that you're referring to?
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The earth changes.
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The veil of consciousness is becoming thinner and thinner as we proceed, meaning that we'll
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be more on the other side than on this side.
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And the idea of time is going to be very challenging because there is no time on the other side.
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We need time on earth for appointments and stuff.
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Yeah.
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On the other side, things are going to be different insofar as our bodies are going
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to be lighter.
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We are going to be a lot different than we are now.
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The density of the earth experience is going to disappear.
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I wish I could explain it better than that.
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That's okay.
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I know there's a couple of quotes from your book on this topic and the Lords of Karma
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that you're going to send.
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We'll include in the show notes.
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I appreciate that.
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Just a couple of things before I let you go.
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You mentioned that the book may help some people contemplating suicide.
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What is the message for people in that situation?
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Basically, it's all about that we all choose to come on the earth at different times.
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We choose when to come.
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We choose who we're going to have a relationship with.
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Of course, they have to agree to that.
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We're not victims.
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Everything happens for a reason.
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There's a lot of people in the world that are afraid of death.
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Are you afraid of death?
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That is one of the themes that I've noticed even with other people that I've met because
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I facilitate the group at Yukon Health Center.
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Of course, now it's online.
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When I interview people to be our support group meeting, they say, which I agree for
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myself, there's no longer fear of death.
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These are people that have been through similar experiences, had NDEs, other things like that.
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I look for people that have had experience, and then I ask them if they would like to
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be on our speak for our group.
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Of course, through the videotape, we put it on our website, so it's used by many.
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That's a commonality among people with these experiences is they lose their fear of death.
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Can you name one or two of the other commonalities?
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One is that a lot of us no longer, we become aware that truly there is no religion on the
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other side.
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So, lots of people let go of any kind of attachment to religions that they might have had prior
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to that.
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You talked about loving energy.
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Are other people experiencing that as well?
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Yes, it's this energy that is so loving, and it's like with no judgment.
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There is no judgment.
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It's unconditional love.
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I also learned that when we cross over, when we do our life review, we're the ones who
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judge ourselves.
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Yeah.
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I was wondering if the nine entities you were talking about were judging you, and that's
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good to know that they're not.
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That it's more of us judging ourselves.
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How do we overcome those things?
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When we judge ourselves as done some negative things, how do we get past that?
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Well, it's very interesting because we actually feel what pain we might have inflicted on
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others just for the understanding of what it feels like.
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The reason why we judge ourselves is so we can then decide how to do it differently should
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we decide to come back again.
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Okay.
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Any last great uplifting thoughts for everybody to lighten their day today?
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My guides tell me this all the time.
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Kiss, kiss, kiss, sweet one.
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Keep it simple, sweetie.
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That's what I mean by kiss, kiss.
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It's important to always find humor in literally everything, not to take much too seriously
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because the earth experience is all an illusion.
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When I was in college, I was taught that kiss meant keep it simple, stupid.
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Not according to them.
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They changed it.
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Keep it simple, sweetie.
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I like that much better.
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Hey, thanks a lot, Tina, for being on the show today.
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Welcome, Eric.
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Thank you for having me.
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If you have had a round trip death experience, we would love to hear about it.
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Send an email to eric at roundtripdeath.com.
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And lastly, if you have found this program uplifting, if it's given you just a little
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more hope in the future, share it with a friend, hit that follow button and take a few seconds
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Until next time, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and
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