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From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.
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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.
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And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my
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physical body because I was somewhere else.
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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
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anything else to be felt.
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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.
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I'm back home again.
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Incredibly safe and felt at home.
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Just one quick note before we get started with today's interview.
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And by the way, it is absolutely one of the best yet.
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You're going to love it.
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Welcome to roundtrip death, everybody, and welcome to our extremely special guest today,
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Scott Drummond.
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I'm going to give you just a little background before I let him say anything because Scott,
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I've been trying to get on this show for a long time and I feel very honored that he
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has bypassed a couple of hundred other podcasts and interviews to take a few minutes to be
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with us today.
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And I feel like calling you the 22 million man, not dollar man, but million man because
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your video about your near-death experience has now at last count over 22 million views
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on YouTube.
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Welcome, Scott.
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Thank you for having me, Eric.
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It's good to talk to you.
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And we're nearly neighbors.
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We only live about a half hour apart, but we are over Zoom today.
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We're just happy that you're here.
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Would you tell us, our listeners, just a little bit about you?
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Well, to be honest, Eric, I'm really nothing special.
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I kind of live a very quiet life, been retired, almost, well, since 2005, and married, been
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married for 49 years.
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We have four children, 12 grandchildren.
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We enjoy traveling and we enjoy doing service to our community.
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Speaking of service, tell us about the Gracie Scott Foundation.
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This is your foundation.
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Why is it special to you?
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You know, my wife and I are on this foundation.
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And we have a very unique experience.
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We have a granddaughter that was born at 23 weeks.
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She had three brain bleeds.
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She had heart surgery.
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And she was a primary children's hospital for six months.
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She's presently 11 years old and she's still on a G-tube.
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Happiest can be one of our very special grandkids.
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We started this foundation, believe it or not, less than six months ago.
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And we named it the Gracie Scott Foundation.
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I've always teased her that her middle name was Scott, even though it's Violet.
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And she usually gets pretty upset at me when I say that, but we have this very special
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connection.
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We started this foundation because we figured if we could help kids with children with special
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needs, go to camps, go to activities, that was something my wife and I already had a
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desire to do.
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I'm actually more excited about the foundation.
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I'm sorry than the book, because the book is very boring and it's about me.
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You know, who really wants to know about me.
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The real story is my granddaughter's story.
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And we love her very much, as well as we love all of our kids and grandkids.
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Scott, you are so hopelessly modest.
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I love it.
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That didn't even get a blush out of you.
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Come on.
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I'm so curious.
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Your book, which just barely hit shelves, by the way, is called What Dying Taught Me
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About Living and Proceeds Go to the Foundation, if I'm not mistaken.
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That is correct.
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And there'll be a link in the show notes to go to Gracie Scott.org, if anybody wants to
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help out with that foundation as well.
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Let's jump into the meat here.
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I'm looking forward to this.
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I've heard your story before, based on 22 million views on YouTube.
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Some other people out there have heard it before, too.
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But we're going to take a deeper dive today.
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I hope you don't mind.
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This is a place where we ask lots of questions in a non-judgmental, safe space.
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I'm just trying to read the questions that our listeners may have and try to set them
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out to you.
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Anyway, let's go back.
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I know your experience happened over 40 years ago, but you didn't talk about it until recently.
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Tell me why.
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You know, I had a friend.
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His name is Wes Lapiolli.
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One day he was walking along the river trail here in Probo, Utah.
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And I happened to be standing down next to the river.
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And it was odd because I was looking at the ripples off of the water as it was coming
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down the river.
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And I noticed some fish that were right around there.
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And I was sitting there looking at them.
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And he walked down to me and he made a comment to me.
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He says, I heard about a year ago that you was not afraid to die.
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And I said, that's very true.
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I'm not afraid to die.
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And he says, you know, would you like to tell your story?
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And I said, no.
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And he looked at me really funny.
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He says, you know, I think that you might be able to help a lot of people with this
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COVID-19 because a lot of people are dying.
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And they need hope.
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They need faith that everything's going to be OK.
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And I told him, no, again.
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And I'll tell you why I said no.
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Because what happened to me was very sacred.
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Even though it happened over 40 years ago, I see it every day.
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I can go back and pinpoint exactly where I was standing and my experience and what I experienced.
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And I didn't want anybody to degrade it or to tear my story down because it was something
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that meant so much to me.
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Well, he asked me one more time when we were down on the river trail and I just walked away from it.
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That's how serious I was about even telling anybody about my story.
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And I came home from my walk and I walked in the house and I told my wife, I says,
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our neighbor asked me to tell my story.
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And I told him no.
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And she said, well, maybe it's about time you tell your story.
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Being religious people that we are, I went back in the back bedroom and I said a prayer.
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And I said, if this is the time for me to tell my story, I'll do it.
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But otherwise, no.
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And the first thing that came on my mind was it was all about the one.
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You know, I went, well, what does that have to do with me?
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I'm the one.
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And then all of a sudden it hit me like somebody had smacked me across the side of the head and said,
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remember the story about Christ talking to the shepherd.
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And how what happens when one sheep leaves the flock?
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What does the shepherd do?
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Shepherd leaves the 99 and goes after the one.
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And what happens when he finishes finding that sheep?
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He throws him over his shoulder and then comes back with the rest of the flock and they celebrate.
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I took a whole different view of that.
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All of a sudden what started coming to my mind was what can I do for my neighbor?
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What can I do for people that I might be able to run into out on the street?
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How could I help them or do service to them?
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I saw a whole different picture after that little experience that I had.
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And I basically made a promise to my father in heaven
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that if he really wanted me to tell this story, I would if I could just affect one person.
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And that was that was the whole intent from the very beginning.
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I thought maybe maybe a friend or a neighbor might watch the podcast,
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but I never ever expected Eric to be talking to people all over the world about my experience.
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And what a great experience it's been.
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It's been very humbling to talk to people all over the world and to find out their stories and find out their experiences.
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It's still all about the one.
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And with our thousands of listeners, they are each individuals and there is someone there today
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listening to this that needs to hear this and is going to get something important out of it.
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Let's go back 40 plus years ago.
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And this must be such an exciting story because what led up to your NDE was a ski accident.
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So when I hear that, I immediately picture Sonny Bono, who got wrapped around a tree, unfortunately,
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or Gwyneth Paltrow and she didn't kill anybody.
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But what happened to her?
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So was yours glamorous like that?
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No, let's hear the dirty details.
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I was working out of town a lot and I worked for the government.
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I had the chance to come home for Christmas holidays.
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And when I came home, I spent the time of Christmas with the family.
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And then I felt like there was a need to go skiing.
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So I called a friend of mine and we went up to Park City.
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We knew that we had heard over the TV that there was going to be a foot of fresh powder up there.
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And boy, we got excited.
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So we loaded up a wind up to Park City and we got out and boy, we were excited to make those first runs down the heels
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because anybody that skis loves to put those first tracks on the heel.
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Well, I was standing in the ski line about, I guess it was around 10, 30, 11 o'clock.
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And I kind of glanced over to the side and saw this lady coming down the hill with poles going every which way.
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Meaning out of control.
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Out of control and there was no way of stopping her.
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You know, standing in the lift line, you're just kind of shuffling along to get on to the ski lift.
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Well, needless to say, she took out three of us just like a bowling ball takes out of pins.
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You know, and she got a strike.
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Well, we all went down and we got up and we helped her gather all of her gear together and put her fur hat back on her head
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and send her on her way.
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Well, I skied the whole rest of the day and I never had so much fun in my whole life.
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And at the end of the day, we took it all the way to the end, all the way until 4 or 4.30.
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And we decided it was time to go home and went down to the car and I started taking off my skis like you do.
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You take your pole and you pop the binding and you get out of your skis.
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And then it came time to take my boots off and I took my left glove off and then took my right glove off.
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Well, something looked really strange.
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I lifted my hand up and my thumb was hanging down to my wrist.
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And so I knew something was wrong.
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But you know, you wonder why I didn't feel any of that.
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It was cold that day.
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And so the temperatures just kept my thumb numb.
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Well, when I took off the glove and got in the car, all of a sudden the heat started, my thumb started hurting.
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I'll bet it did.
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We called my wife back then, you know, 40 plus years ago, there was no cell phones.
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So we had to go back into the ski resort and make a call to my wife to have a surgeon ready at the hospital.
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But we drove an hour to get down the mountain to get home.
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And believe it or not, it was painful.
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It was something I just couldn't put a bandaid on it and it would be fixed.
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Well, we got to the hospital and my wife was there and they had a surgeon ready for me.
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It took me in, prepared me in and we'll be down the hall.
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I'll never forget that day because it was something that was tender to me.
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I never told my wife that I loved her.
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And thanked her for what she had done, getting things ready down there at the hospital.
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I never did tell her to tell the kids that I loved her, loved him before I went into that surgery.
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I think one thing that I learned from that experience was how important your family is and how important it is for you to tell your family that you love them.
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And of course, this surgery wasn't going to be life threatening.
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It was just fixing your thumb.
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Oh, no.
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No, it wasn't life threatening.
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This doctor had done the surgery many times.
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The problem was when we got into the operating room was the anesthesiologist was called away.
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So he couldn't do it the normal way of putting me out and then doing the surgery as he was accustomed to.
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But when they called that anesthesiologist away, he knew of another procedure and that was a bare block.
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And if you don't know much about a bare block, it's basically they lift your arm up in the air and they drain the blood out.
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They put a tourniquet around your arm.
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It has two valves on.
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Well, the valves back then were done manually.
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Today they're done through machines.
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And so the nurse that was in there didn't know quite how to do this surgery.
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But the doctor said, well, I'll talk you through it.
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Well, what they did, Eric, is they.
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They put a sheet between me and where the doctor was operated on that when I was laying on the table.
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So I couldn't see the surgery.
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But you were awake. That sounds like.
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Well, they did a local in my hand.
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So yes, I was awake.
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So as the surgery started, I started feeling pressure in my arm.
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And the nurse undid the first valve because at first they close the valves off.
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And then it relieved the pressure, which was great.
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I could hear exactly what the doctor was talking about and what the nurse was saying and how the procedure is going and how they were cutting my thumb open.
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And he was explaining to her that he would have to put a page of me and he'd have to take a tendon out of my arm and wrap it around my thumb.
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And it was it was very natural.
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There was nothing wrong with what was going on at all.
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I didn't feel any any threat.
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Well, as as time went on, the pressure started building up again.
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Well, when the pressure build up, the nurse remained over and opened that second valve.
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But what she forgot to do was close the first valve.
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And when that happened, the medicine that went that was in my arm went up my arm and crossed to my chest.
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And the next thing I knew, I was standing above my body and I was watching the operation on the other side of the sheet that was between me and the doctor.
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The sad thing that happened and I wished I could have talked to that nurse.
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She went running out of the room saying that she had killed me.
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And that that that was painful has been for the last 40 years because I'd love to have explained her that it was not her.
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Her fault.
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Well, as as things go, you know, when you flat line, there's all kinds of people that come running into the room and they were trying to revive me.
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And I'll never forget, I was looking down, watching my body laying down there on the table and watching all these nurses and doctors running around the room,
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trying to bring me back and revive me.
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What was what was everything I could hear was I could hear him talking.
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It was all audible.
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But then something happened.
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A lot of people think that they have a guardian angel.
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Well, that is true.
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I had I had someone stand right beside me to the right of me.
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And they talked to me through my mind, which is, you know, not normal, but was very real.
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And we both sat there and watched the surgery.
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The doctor was so persistent and very adamant about finishing his surgery as they were trying to to bring me back to life.
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Mind if I ask a couple of quick questions here?
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Sure.
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Was it was it scary?
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Did it bring up some kind of crazy emotions to be on the other side of the sheet and looking down on your body?
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No, it felt everything felt so natural.
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There was no fear, no anxiety.
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It was like it was supposed to happen.
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You know, looking at myself laying down on the table, I kept thinking, get up.
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But that person did move.
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And the first time I looked at myself down there, I said, that guy looks just like me.
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But yet I was standing up above my body.
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That's actually a very typical response right there.
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I've heard that for many people.
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They felt completely disjointed from that body that's there until they figured out.
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Oh, I knew once I after I was there for a little bit that I was that I wasn't going back into my body.
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When I looked down, the last thing I remember is I looked down at the machine that was there and there was a flat line.
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The person that was next to me said that it was time to go.
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I'll never forget that because I knew at that time when he said that it was time to go that I wasn't coming back.
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And we went when we went up into that field and I was standing there.
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He gave me three instructions.
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He said, first of all, don't look back.
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He said, you can look from side to side.
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Number two, number three, you could look what's in front of you, which was a cloud.
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I took a look around from side to side and I saw tall trees off to my left and they were the most unusual tall trees, kind of like a sequoia tree where there's no branches and they're tall and they have leaves at the top.
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I'll never forget the colors that were on those leaves because they were so vibrant.
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There was some beautiful red and burgundy and yellow and green, a couple of shades of green, light green and dark green.
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To describe those colors, I can't do it because there's so much brighter than what I'm used to seeing here.
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The other thing is, you know, when you look at a trunk on a tree, they look dirty.
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Well, these trees were brilliant, they were brilliant brown, but they had gold trimming on it, which was beautiful.
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And in between those trees and myself on the left was wildflowers.
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And these wildflowers were the most beautiful colors I had ever experienced in my whole life.
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I'm talking shades of all colors and colors that I hadn't even seen before.
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But the unique thing about these flowers were they were all facing towards me.
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You know, when you look at a flower, many times you got to walk around it to see all the different flowers and colors.
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These flowers were all facing towards me.
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And it was so special, it was like each one of them were showing me love.
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Now, these flowers were up to about my waist.
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And I can remember putting my hands out to my side and seeing how beautiful these colors were and how every leaf on those flowers were facing towards me.
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Now, to my right was tall grass.
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And when I'm talking tall grass, it was up to my waist.
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And they were brilliant green on the bottom with gold trimming on top.
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And what was unique is there was no wind or I was standing.
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All there was was like everything was flowing and it was flowing towards me.
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Each individual grass blade was flowing towards me as if to also show me love and to give me that peace that I needed while I was standing.
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And then, of course, in front of me was three clouds.
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And these three clouds were very unique.
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They were like they were three bunches put together.
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But the one in the middle was brilliant.
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It was a white, it was a pearl white that you would only see.
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Let's give you an example like on a car.
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Every once in a while, you'll see a car that has a pearl white color that has speckles in it.
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It almost seems to change color depending on the sun.
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It's change colors, yeah.
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But not the two side clouds.
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And then on both sides of the clouds and around them was the most brilliant blue that I had ever seen.
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It was like a bio, see what is that called?
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Bio?
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Bio luminescence.
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Bio luminescence.
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It was that bright of a blue.
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I've never seen it quite like a blue like that except for when I went to Puerto Rico and went out to where they have that out there in the ocean.
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I love the descriptions. Throw out as many adjectives as you can think of.
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I still want to understand the colors on the flowers that you said you hadn't seen before.
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Is there any way you can describe them?
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No, I can see them in my mind, but I can't describe them because they were so vibrant.
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They were beautiful.
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Now, after observing what I was able to see, I was also reminded again, don't look back.
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And when that happened, I knew I was dead and I knew I was in a place where I didn't know what was next.
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But yet it was so calming.
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It was just so full of love and calming.
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The next thing I realized is my escort that took me up there or wherever I went was not there anymore.
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The unique thing was, I don't know if it really makes a difference, but when I was down looking over my body,
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when they were operating on me, he was on the right side of me and just out of my view on the right side.
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When I was standing in the field, he was on my left side, just out of my view on the left side.
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Now, I'm sure it doesn't mean anything, but it was something that really stood out and I thought about it.
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Well, when he was not there any longer is when I actually washed my life.
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And Eric, this is hard to talk about because I washed my life from the day I was born and I was put on my mother's stomach all the way until I was 28 years old.
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Eric, I wasn't on the right track.
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A little background, I played professional basketball, I played college baseball.
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And I felt like I had the world by the hand.
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I had been working for the post office and I was moving up in the post office rather quickly.
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And my goal was to be a millionaire and be able to walk away from everything at 32, 33 years old.
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And so at that time, my life was all about money and how to get ahead.
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And it didn't really matter who I stepped on to get it because that was my ultimate goal.
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But what I found out in this video of my life now, it's not like a projection screen.
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You know, it was all done on my mind and I was living it.
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I was living everything.
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I was living the way my parents were raising me.
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How much time they put into me, how they, they, they went overboard to get me into my sports and to get me to my activities.
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It was back then, even at a very young age, it was all about me.
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I learned through watching this video of my life that it wasn't all about money.
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I learned that it was about the people you come in contact with and how to be kind to people and to recognize their, their needs.
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Not, you know, not monetarily, you know, but just their needs.
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I found out that you don't know what people are going through.
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You know, you don't know whether or not they're going to commit suicide that day.
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You don't know if you're ever going to see that person again because of an accident they're in.
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I learned that it wasn't, I, well, I didn't see any motorhomes.
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I didn't see any fancy cars that I was accustomed to having.
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I didn't see any ATVs.
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I didn't see, I didn't see any toys up there.
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All I saw was how I treated my wife, how I treated my kids and how I treated my fellow man.
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And Eric, at that time I was not on the right track and it was a real good, swift and kick in the butt, you know, how my life was going.
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Can I just ask you, as you were going through that, what we refer to as a life review, what kinds of emotions were you feeling?
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Was there guilt? Was there sorrow? Was there happiness? Were you feeling anything?
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No, because what it was was what it was. It was black or white.
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There was no gray area. There was nobody to argue with or defend yourself or say, I did this or did that.
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You know, for that reason, it was what it was and it was so real.
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But one thing is it was all done with love.
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You know, most people would expect to feel guilty.
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No, I didn't feel any guilt because I accepted what I did.
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And whatever was going to happen next was not really wasn't my choice.
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That's all I can really say about it.
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The next thing that happened after I viewed my video of my life, I stood there for a little bit and I went, well, OK, I did it.
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I'll never forget that I just stood there.
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Nothing, nothing I could say about it was real and it was over and what it was going to happen next was going to happen.
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And the next thing I heard was a voice saying to walk forward.
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And I started to walk forward.
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And the unique thing about this whole experience walking forward to the cloud.
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And I want you to know it was like a panoramic view.
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I could see a long ways to the left, long ways to the right, but the cloud was not very far ahead of me.
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And I was not allowed to look back.
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Now, you had mentioned three clouds.
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Was this one of those?
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I was walking to the one in the middle.
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OK, what were the other ones like?
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Do you remember?
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Well, they, you know, it wasn't blowing, you know, they were just standing still.
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It wasn't. I don't think there was any real importance to the two on the side.
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I think the important one was in the middle because that's the one I was walking towards.
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Right. And that's where you saw the opalescence and everything. OK.
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Yep. Now, the other thing is, too, is when I was walking, the flowers and the trees and the grass were,
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it was like they were pushing me towards the cloud.
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But yet the rays that were coming around the clouds were like they were pulling me towards the cloud.
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It was it was a feeling that I can't explain.
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It was just a feeling that I knew that I was supposed to walk forward.
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And they were helping me get there.
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And it was showing so much love.
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It was like really, I wondered how I deserved it.
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How did I deserve this when I just watched my life and I didn't really feel like,
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well, I felt like I could have done better.
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It wasn't that I was being chastised. It was just that I knew I could have done better.
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Well, when I got up to the cloud, an arm came through.
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Now, Eric, there was only this much of the arm. Can you see that?
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I can see it, but our listeners can't. So from just about the bicep down.
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It's from the bicep down is all I saw.
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And it was I had I had the chance to study that arm. The arm was stronger than mine.
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And I'm not a small guy, Eric. I'm six, three, I weigh 260 pounds.
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When I saw that the biceps on the arm and I could tell that person had done a lot of work.
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You know, they've been in either construction or farming, maybe even a carpenter.
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But I but I could tell that he had done a lot of hard work with his body.
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And then I looked at his hand.
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His hand was bigger mine.
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And I remember it being a lot. His fingers being a lot more meatier than mine.
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It had more meat on it, which made him very strong.
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And I studied that hand and the hand was kind of on an angle coming down at me.
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Now, whether or not he was that much taller than me, I don't know.
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But it was kind of coming down.
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I remember his fingers were stretched out and I remember his thumb was kind of extended
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and it was just coming right at me.
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I'll never forget that because when I put my hand up to touch his hand,
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I could feel energy that I had never felt before.
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The other thing is, Eric, I wanted to express to you is
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that hand and arm was so pure that I could not see color.
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I didn't see white. I didn't see black. I didn't see yellow.
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I didn't see red.
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All I did was saw something so pure that was full of the energy.
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It was just incredible.
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There was so much love at that moment.
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And when I reached up to grab the hand, his hand pulled back into that cloud
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and said, it is not yet your time. You have more things yet to do.
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And I will never, ever forget those words as long as I live.
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It is not yet your time. You have more things yet to do.
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And the next thing I knew, Eric, I was back on the table,
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had a sheet over my head, had a paper on my chest
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and I had a war going on in my body that I can't explain because
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I didn't want to come back.
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I had seen something so pure, so beautiful that I would have done anything to stay there.
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When I pushed the sheet over off my head,
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the doctor started to freak out and I looked down on my chest
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and there was a death certificate on my chest
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and I had been dead for 20 minutes.
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When they willed me out of the room and started going down the hall,
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my wife was out there in the waiting room.
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The first thing the doctor did is he went over to my wife and said, he's okay.
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Everything went just fine. We brought him back.
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And of course, my wife didn't take that very well.
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We had had three kids at the time and she didn't know what had happened.
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And I'm going to tell you right now, Eric,
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even to 40 years later, my wife didn't know the whole story.
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My kids knew bits and pieces, but I did not know how to explain to people
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what had happened to me. It was that beautiful that I didn't know how to explain it to anybody.
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And when I did try to explain it to somebody that had never had that experience,
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it didn't go real well because they couldn't understand what I was seeing.
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And so I stopped talking about it.
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Even to this day, Eric, there's times. I mean, I committed, I did it.
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I talked about it. But even today, I'd have been okay just taking my story to the grave
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because that's how special and sacred this whole thing is to me.
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Well, and our point with this show is not to sensationalize it,
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but with you to learn what you learned from it.
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With that in mind, can I ask you some questions?
445
00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:46,680
You can, if I can answer them, I will.
446
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,600
Okay. Maybe the hardest one first.
447
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,440
Whose hand was that coming through the cloud?
448
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,480
And do you think you're going to see that again someday?
449
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:01,160
Yeah, I know I'll see it. And I know I'll recognize that voice.
450
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:07,480
You know, something that I looked for because I'm a fairly religious person.
451
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,680
I believe it was God's hand.
452
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:18,160
You know, I struggled with this for 40 years. You know, I know the cloud represents Christ.
453
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:22,680
And I always believed that the hand that came through was God's.
454
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:27,800
So maybe the next time that happens, he won't tell you it's not your time.
455
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,360
Well, I got the road for the first time.
456
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,040
Yeah, you'll be able to grasp that hand the next time.
457
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,720
I hope I'm giving that gift the next time.
458
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:38,480
I'm sure you will be.
459
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:43,040
Was there anything else that you saw while you were there, people, animals,
460
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:47,280
or was it just all trees, flowers, grass?
461
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:53,400
You know, I think that the first stage that I was in was to give me peace.
462
00:35:53,400 --> 00:36:00,240
The surroundings, you know, to make me feel like I was loved and that there was total peace.
463
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:05,080
When I got up to the cloud, I could feel other people on the other side of that cloud.
464
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:12,520
I could sense it. It was almost like there were other people over there waiting for me to come through that cloud.
465
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,920
How I can tell you that, I don't know, but I could sense it.
466
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,640
OK, let's talk about your guide.
467
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,920
You referred to as guide and guardian angel both.
468
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,400
Do you know who that person is or that angel is?
469
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:29,720
Do you mind if I ask?
470
00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:33,200
No, but I will recognize the voice.
471
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:42,120
That voice has been in my head for 40 years now, and I know I'll recognize that voice when I hear it again.
472
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,560
And you know you're going to hear it again someday.
473
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,240
I believe I will when it's time to go.
474
00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:49,960
Why do you use the term guardian angel?
475
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:54,520
You know, I think everyone on earth has a guardian angel looking over him.
476
00:36:54,520 --> 00:37:04,160
This whole experience I had made me realize that basically what I am here is a worker bee.
477
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,800
I'm here to learn.
478
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:13,240
And I think that there are people that are put in our paths to help us through different experiences that we have.
479
00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:17,560
Even since my time with my experience, it's been interesting.
480
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:23,120
The people that have come into my life that I went, I know why you're here.
481
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,560
Because I could feel that they were here to help me.
482
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,320
Tell me about the process of getting to the field.
483
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,160
Because some people talk about going through a tunnel.
484
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:37,160
Some just kind of automatically go from wherever they were.
485
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,400
You were in the hospital room looking down on your body.
486
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,960
And then you said you were in this field immediately after.
487
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,200
Was there a process or was it just a bee?
488
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,080
No, it was like a twinkly evening.
489
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:55,880
It was like when he said it was time to go.
490
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,720
That's where I was right then.
491
00:37:57,720 --> 00:38:01,360
I knew I can't tell you where I was at.
492
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,080
But I can tell you it was the most beautiful place that I've ever been.
493
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,360
And I was going to ask you, how did this whole experience change your life?
494
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:15,560
I think you talked about some of that in relation to your life review.
495
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,840
But can you be more specific 10, 20, 30 years later?
496
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,200
How is the Scott now different than the one back then?
497
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,640
Well, I hope I've changed a little bit.
498
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,840
But let me tell you, Eric, it didn't happen overnight.
499
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,320
You know, I've been learning for 40 years.
500
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,080
And I'm going to tell you something.
501
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,720
10 years after my experience, I got hit by lightning while playing golf.
502
00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:44,520
And I know that that experience, I get hit by lightning, was a real reminder
503
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,640
of the direction I needed to go with my life.
504
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:54,920
In fact, that person that I was golfing with died on the 26th of May.
505
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,760
He had known him for 45 years.
506
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:04,120
And because of our experience golfing, he had several back surgeries in his camp.
507
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:09,320
He's his liver went bad on him and he couldn't get a lever trash flat
508
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,760
because he was over 70.
509
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:18,400
I explained a little bit about that in my book that I just wrote.
510
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:24,760
But what a what a swift reminder of of the direction that I was supposed to go in.
511
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:30,360
It reminded me of how I was supposed to be supposed to be kind to other people
512
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:36,600
and to also recognize that my wife was my best friend
513
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:43,040
and that we were to consult with each other and cheer each other on.
514
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,080
Told you earlier, we've been married for 45 years.
515
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,080
Has it been an easy 45 years?
516
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:55,600
Probably not in the first, you know, 10 or 15 years and maybe even 20 years.
517
00:39:55,600 --> 00:40:01,280
But after my first experience, I kind of turned things around a little bit.
518
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,440
Little bit by little bit, I started telling her how much I loved her.
519
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,560
How much I appreciated her.
520
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:13,680
And after he reminds you before that, I very seldom ever told her that I ever loved her.
521
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:20,360
I've been learning things little by little, Eric, for the last 40 years and I'm not perfect now.
522
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,440
You know, if I was perfect, you know, maybe I'd have a shot of going back again.
523
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,920
I think I've still got a lot of things to learn.
524
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:32,760
It's almost like Eric thought a lot about this since I came out about my story.
525
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:43,200
I figured that God kept me alive until this time and then it was my time to tell my story.
526
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,520
And I'm going to tell you, I don't feel like it's my story.
527
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:53,320
I think it's my father in heaven story because he taught me a lot of lessons along the way.
528
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,200
I've had a lot of good people come into my life.
529
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:02,400
One thing I can express to you is find you a good mentor in life.
530
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,920
Somebody that you can watch and learn from.
531
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:12,880
And I was fortunate to have that one person in my life and it happened to be my father-in-law.
532
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,920
You know, he never judged me.
533
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:22,000
He always cheered me on during my good times and then he was right beside me during my bad times.
534
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:29,880
I think it's really important that we find a good mentor and then learn from these mentors and then pass it on.
535
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:35,760
The other thing is I want to emphasize is don't look back.
536
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,000
Don't look back in your life.
537
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:48,840
Look what you can do today and try to be better today and see how you can move forward and help other people along your path.
538
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,440
Because this whole life that we're in right now is a learning experience.
539
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,400
I'm learning to find out where I came from.
540
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,600
I'm learning what I'm doing here right now.
541
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,920
I am learning about where I'm going to be in the future.
542
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:09,280
I had a glimpse of what happened to me at 28 years old.
543
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:15,760
The thing I hope for and I pray about this all the time is that I will have a better report.
544
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,800
Now is everybody going to have the same experience as me?
545
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,520
I don't know.
546
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:24,800
I can only tell you what my experience was.
547
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,840
I see this experience every single day.
548
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:36,400
I wake up every day thinking about how can I do something just a little bit better than yesterday?
549
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,200
I think that's what we can all do.
550
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:46,480
You know, we all may have not had great experiences in the past,
551
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:51,400
but we can look at our time right now and move forward.
552
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:57,720
We have that ability to improve our lives and we can do it starting today.
553
00:42:57,720 --> 00:43:04,320
You know, there might be somebody that walks into your life at the grocery store and they don't look very happy,
554
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,800
but maybe you can smile at them and make a difference in their life.
555
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:14,120
Maybe that smile might make their day just a little bit better.
556
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,000
It's not always, you know, giving people money.
557
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,920
It's just basically the way you treat people.
558
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:29,600
And I just hope that in my latter years of my life that I can continue to work hard,
559
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:35,720
recognizing people around me and maybe try to help them or help them have a better day.
560
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:38,760
That's great advice. Will you be my mentor, Scott?
561
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,520
No, you don't need me.
562
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,040
You know, you've got to find your own.
563
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,160
I want someone like you.
564
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:53,440
Back to a more serious note. How has this changed your relationship with God?
565
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,560
I know there is a God.
566
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:04,080
You know, every day I pray that He will give me His love so that I can share His love with other people.
567
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:10,080
I've been fortunate enough to see love and peace.
568
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,880
Eric, I thrive for it every day.
569
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:19,840
I was gifted when I came back to the hospital after my experience for three days. I had total peace.
570
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:27,760
I wish everybody could experience total peace with no anxiety, no fear.
571
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,160
There is no better feeling.
572
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,480
Now, Eric, I'm not afraid to die.
573
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,000
If I was to die today, it would be okay.
574
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:41,200
My life would be complete, but it's not to be.
575
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,200
I'm supposed to be here.
576
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,200
I was content after I returned in 2005.
577
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:48,640
Totally content.
578
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,680
My wife and I were traveling. We were enjoying life.
579
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,480
We had served a couple of church missions.
580
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,480
Everything we felt like was just going well.
581
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,120
We thought it was going good for us.
582
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:06,160
And then this happened and we went, okay, now what?
583
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,720
Now what do we do?
584
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:19,600
But we have been blessed by so many people that's come into our life that has helped us set up the 501c3 for the foundation.
585
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:24,960
Help us set up our LLCs and helped us with our book.
586
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:30,720
Something that I never ever expected to do in my lifetime was to write a book.
587
00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:39,040
And this book, I don't talk about the gifts that I receive when I came back from my experience.
588
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,640
But what I do is I try to get people hope.
589
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:49,200
And if I can affect just that one person, that's all I'd like to do.
590
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,280
That's what this show is all about.
591
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,520
It's about giving people hope.
592
00:45:53,520 --> 00:46:00,560
But right now I want to dig deeper on just one thing, and I never do this on this podcast, but I'm going to do it today.
593
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:10,720
If you wouldn't mind telling us a little bit more of your personal belief, you've mentioned the term God and Heavenly Father.
594
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:12,720
Where does Jesus to you?
595
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:15,680
Where does Jesus fit in this equation?
596
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,080
Well, in my life, he's everything.
597
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:22,800
Eric, I belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
598
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,320
So in a nutshell, I do believe in Jesus Christ.
599
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:33,040
And what an example he is to me and was to me while he was here on the earth.
600
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:39,920
He has helped me learn about where I came from, what I'm doing here, and where I'm going.
601
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:49,200
And I feel like he's done a great job of giving us guidelines of how to live our lives.
602
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,400
But sometimes we get in the way of ourselves.
603
00:46:52,400 --> 00:47:01,680
You know, going back to that guardian angel, I feel so blessed to be able to have people prompt me to do things.
604
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,440
Because I don't recognize those things on my own.
605
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,760
I am prompted to do things.
606
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,200
Eric, I don't know what to say other than I believe.
607
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,200
Scott, I appreciate that very much.
608
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:22,320
I appreciate you opening up, being willing to share things that are so special and deep feeling for you.
609
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,600
Is there anything else you want to share before we sign off here?
610
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,120
Yeah, I'd like to talk to you a little bit about my book.
611
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:37,120
We were prompted by another friend to write a book.
612
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:41,360
And Eric, that was not something I had even a desire to do a year ago.
613
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:48,960
And I haven't been on these shows talking about myself for almost a year.
614
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,960
Because it's not something I like to do is talk about myself.
615
00:47:52,960 --> 00:48:01,600
But when Covenant Books out of South Carolina prompted me to send them my manuscript,
616
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:06,400
you know, most manuscripts are turned down many, many times before they go to a publisher.
617
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,120
And they accepted it on the first time.
618
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:15,520
They said, you have a message that you can send out to people all over the world.
619
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:23,680
And what they did is they went through my views of people that have commented on my YouTube page.
620
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:30,480
That's not my YouTube page, but it's a prioritize your life page.
621
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:39,600
I thought maybe a person like myself, which is really, you know, I'm not anything special.
622
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:49,040
But if I could say a few good words to help people, I thought maybe it might be worth it.
623
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,320
And so I talked a little bit about my past.
624
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,400
You know, I grew up in a broken family.
625
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,760
My earlier years work was not that good.
626
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,320
But what I did do is I had a drive to succeed.
627
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:09,920
I talked a little bit about, I talked a lot about my experience that I had.
628
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:15,200
And I went into a little bit more detail in a couple of the gifts.
629
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,160
And they might seem rather silly.
630
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,600
Eric is, I see colors different now.
631
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,240
I see them so much brighter.
632
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,960
I can look at food and know whether or not it's good or not.
633
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:36,880
I had the ability, Eric, to put a seed in my hand and I can watch it grow in my hand all the way to maturity.
634
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:41,840
Before I even put the seed into the ground, I know whether or not it's a good seed or not.
635
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:52,480
I'm not bragging by any means, but I was privileged to be able to come back with some very special gifts.
636
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:58,480
And I'm not going to talk about it anymore of them because they're sacred to me.
637
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,760
I don't talk about these gifts in my book.
638
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:08,960
What I try to do is try to give people hope and faith that they can make it through this life.
639
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:13,280
The name of the book is called What Dying Taught Me About Living.
640
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,840
My ghost writer is from Forks, Washington.
641
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,720
And her name is Sandy Ponton.
642
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:26,640
Sandy didn't know anything about my story before this all started.
643
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:31,840
But I'll tell you what, she lived this journey with me all the way through writing this book.
644
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:39,200
There are many times that Sandy told me that she had to pray about what she was writing because she wanted to be so
645
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:43,360
as close to what I had experienced as she could.
646
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:51,360
And she came down for two days and filmed me both days and then went back and tried to write this story.
647
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:57,360
Someone that is spiritual to write my story was an honor to me.
648
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:01,360
And she did such a great job of writing this book.
649
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,360
And I want to thank her publicly.
650
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:09,360
Those gifts that you mentioned, I think we're giving gifts like that so that we can help others.
651
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:13,360
And you mentioned being able to see a seed grow in your hand.
652
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:17,360
How have you been able to use those gifts to bless the lives of other people?
653
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:25,360
I think that if each one of us can plant a seed in someone's life, maybe it can make a difference.
654
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,360
Scott, thanks a lot. Appreciate you being here.
655
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,360
You're welcome.
656
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:37,360
Thanks for listening and a quick reminder to follow this podcast and take a few seconds to listen to
657
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,360
this podcast and take a few seconds to write a review.
658
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,360
It helps others to easily find us.
659
00:51:43,360 --> 00:52:09,360
Until next time, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.
660
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:23,360
Thank you.
