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From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.
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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.
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And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my
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physical body because I was somewhere else.
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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
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anything else to be felt.
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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.
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I'm back home again.
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Incredibly safe and felt at home.
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Just one quick note before we get started with today's interview.
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Welcome to RoundtripDeath, everybody, and welcome to our special guest today, Brian
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Jordan.
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Brian, good morning.
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Good morning, sir.
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How are you?
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I'm great.
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It's good to talk to you.
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More in person today than we have in the past.
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And I just want to let our listeners know there's going to be some special things we're
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going to talk about today, including your description of the love that you felt on the
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other side.
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It's a description that I've never heard before and I loved it.
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So everybody keep listening and we'll find out what that is in a few minutes.
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Anyway, Brian, hey, tell us a little bit about you.
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I'm a heavy equipment operator.
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I travel to the United States, building y'all's highways and roads and all that good stuff
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and just a regular man that lives a regular life trying to treat everybody just like I
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like to be treated.
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I have kids and my mom and dad is still blessed to be with me.
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Of course, they went through hell behind it.
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But it's all good.
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Pretty much it, man.
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Just a regular guy.
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Well, we need those equipment operators.
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I have a brother-in-law.
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That's what he does too.
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And that is makes America that kind of work.
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Yes, yes, yes.
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So we appreciate you.
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Hey, let's go back just a few years ago to when you had a widowmaker.
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We like to call him that because they sound dramatic widowmaker heart attack.
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And this was just less than three years ago.
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So this is still pretty fresh.
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I know you haven't talked about this a ton.
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So it's OK if memories are still coming back to you.
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But prior to October 3 of 2020, how was your health and what led up to this?
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I asked the doctor.
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My health, I worked out in a gym.
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I was in a gym four days after the week.
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I ate good.
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I did everything.
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I thought I was doing everything I was supposed to.
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I was in really good shape when I had my heart attack.
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So what the doctor told me, I had a block stent because everybody was looking at me
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in the hospital.
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I was like, what are you doing in here with a heart attack?
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But things happen.
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Yeah.
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What was your age at that time?
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I was 53.
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OK.
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So nice and young.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And what were you doing that day when it hit?
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Oh, I was at work.
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Was that work?
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I was on my bulldozer.
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And all of that started from the, like I was saying about the doctor, he told me it was
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genetic.
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And that's the only explanation he gave me.
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He walked right out the door.
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And my grandfather passed away from heart attack.
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I never met him.
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So that was young also.
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He died in my mother's arms.
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Yeah.
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He died in my mother's arms.
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She was like 16.
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If you don't mind, give us some detail.
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So you're driving a bulldozer, how do you feel?
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What happens?
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Do you just kind of drop over dead or what?
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Run us through all of that day.
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OK.
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I got up that morning, man, and I felt great.
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It was a Saturday.
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We were supposed to get off early that day.
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We've been putting in a lot of hours.
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We tend to do that.
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This was a round noon.
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I stopped for my lunch to eat lunch.
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I ate me a quick bologna, if you know about a jealous sandwich.
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A lot of my friends won't eat that to that day.
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Did you say bologna and peanut butter and jelly?
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No, sir, peanut butter and jelly.
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Yeah, just peanut butter and jelly.
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I ate a sandwich.
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I put my stuff away.
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This was like at 12.
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By 12.05, it was back in gear.
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I was pushing.
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And instantly my neck started hurting.
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It was like a pressure.
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And I never had that.
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I've never felt that before, ever.
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So I stopped.
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I said, OK, this is different.
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And I waited for it to go away, and it didn't.
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So I climbed down off the bulldozer, and then my breathing started changing.
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I had another friend working with me because we was building these wind farms, the big
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giant fans that span around the country.
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We were building one of those.
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So I was a good waste from the office.
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So I had a water truck driver with me.
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I told him, hey, I said, you need to come and take me to the office.
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I thought it was hard work.
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When I got to the, you know, because it started going into my chest, and then my breathing
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is starting to do tricks.
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So when he got me to the office, I walked in and my medic was there.
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And I told her, I said, I am having heartburn.
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And she looked at me, and she knew it was more than I thought it was, because I'm going
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to take you back a year before this, I was working in North Dakota.
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I was working by myself, of course, on the bulldozer.
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I had stopped for lunch, come back, started back working, and my girlfriend called me.
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And she started randomly saying stuff, and then felt like something hit me in my chest,
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like a hammer.
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I got kicked in the chest.
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And I told her, I said, my chest hurts.
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And she knows when I say, if I say my chest hurts, that's something wrong, majorly wrong.
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I'm not the hospital type.
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She told me, get off the phone right now and call 911.
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So I did that.
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Well, before I did that, I hung up the phone with her and I checked my pulse.
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When I checked my pulse, my heartbeat was all over the place.
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I didn't even know a heart could beat like that.
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And I'm like, instantly, I said, I am dying.
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Fear came and gripped me.
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And I'm like, I might have by myself.
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I'm having a heart attack, and there's nobody here but me.
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And I got scared.
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When I tell you, I got scared.
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Fear just grabbed me.
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My son was getting on the plane.
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I had got him a job out there.
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So he's flying up there.
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And here I am.
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Nobody going to be able to be that again from that core because I'm dead.
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You know what I'm saying?
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So I had all this going in my head.
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I'm about to die.
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Fear had me by the throat, man.
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And all of a sudden, something happened.
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Something happened.
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It was a peace.
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And it like it fell down from the sky.
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And all of a sudden, I went from being scared, panicking that I'm dying to, it was like a
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flick of a switch.
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I went from all that fear to straight calm because the peace was so strong, I started
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looking around.
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That's how strong it was.
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It took all the fear out of my body.
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Everything was gone.
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The next, my next starts were, oh, it's okay to die.
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That's just how good a feeling that was that was around me.
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And eventually the pain went away, I was on the phone to 911 operators.
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They got me to the hospital and they told me I had GAT chest, you know what I mean?
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Chest congestion, whatever.
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And I'm like, ah, that was too much.
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I've never had chest congestion like that to where my heartbeat was beating like that.
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That's what they told me.
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So they just sent you home?
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Yeah, they gave me something for indigestion and they sent me home and they said they did
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not see anything on the machines that should have showed a heart attack.
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So it makes sense then a year later when you did have the big heart attack that you thought
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it was just indigestion or heartburn or something because you'd kind of been through this.
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Yes, sir.
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Exactly.
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So that's what I told her.
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Yeah, so you're in the office, but she knows it's more than that.
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Yes, yes.
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And then what happens?
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She gave me Toms and then she gave me Aspen and she made me sit down.
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And so my safety guy, they didn't heard about it.
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So he comes over and he like, well, I'm going to take him over there.
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Now our office let it rest.
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That was not about to happen.
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He stopped that immediately and said I wasn't going nowhere.
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So she got on a computer and start doing by this time my chest, the pain was in my chest.
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And so I'm like, I heard her saying something about amulets and I'm at work.
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I'm like, just not sure.
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No, it's too much.
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I don't want that kind of attention.
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You know what I'm saying?
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I'm just the type of state of low key.
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Sure.
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It's going to be embarrassing if it's just indigestion again.
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Man.
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Oh, and I'm like, please go away.
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Please go away.
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And I can hear them.
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Safety guy sits right across from me.
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All my arms started hurting.
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That's what happened.
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And right then I said, I'm in trouble.
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You know, I said, I'm in trouble, but I didn't freak out like I did the year before.
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I wasn't afraid like I was.
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And once my arms started hurting, oh, I knew that's heart attack.
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I knew that was no doubt in my mind.
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And I said, God, I said, if I did anything to offend you, I am sorry.
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And I left it just like that.
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And I start remembering the year before how that piece was.
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So I just sat there.
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I waited it, start waiting out.
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And all of a sudden all my pain started going away.
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And I told them I said my pain is going away.
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And they said, good.
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And a couple of minutes after that, I felt myself passing out.
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And there ain't nothing I could have done about it.
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I couldn't have said nothing.
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I felt myself passing out, going to sleep.
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And with my safety guy sitting neat to me with my last thoughts were, I hope he catch
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me before I smash my face in that floor.
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That was it.
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And so when I opened my eyes, I was on the floor on my back and my medic, BJ, she was
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on top of my chest.
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She just pushed.
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And she never saw me open my eyes.
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So I was looking at her.
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And I said, hey, oh my God, she jumped off of me.
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She was leaning over me.
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And let me tell you what I tell you, I scared.
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I found out later that heart attack victims don't come back talking.
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You know, that's just not what they do.
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But that's not what happened to me.
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So you broke all the rules.
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I broke the rules.
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And then her eyes was that big.
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And she said, Brian, she said, your heart stopped.
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And I said, oh, no, it didn't.
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I said I was asleep because I was dreaming.
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And she said, you should imagine her face when I say that.
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And she said, Brian, you died.
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And I'm like, no, I didn't.
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Because I know what I was seeing.
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And that's when I looked down and I saw they had cut my shirt off.
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All these people starting to pile up in the door.
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These pads were on my chest.
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This machine was sitting here just talking and talking.
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The one they plugged me up to, the AED, AED, whatever they said, that machine.
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Was it a defibrillator?
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Defibrillator, yes, sir.
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OK.
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Now is the ambulance there yet?
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Or are they all just doing this in the office?
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No, no.
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I'm 50 miles from a small city.
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I'm 80 miles from anybody that could help me.
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Oh, wow.
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So they're sending the ambulance as we, as all is going on, the ambulance is on the
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way.
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Actually, my boss was out of town driving in when the ambulance passed him.
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And they was laughing.
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I wonder what's going on with that.
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And then they get a phone call, finding out it was me.
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So now they're following me on the ambulance.
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So I'm in the middle of nowhere, man.
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I mean, we build those things way out in the middle of nowhere.
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They got me off the floor.
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I told them, get me all you telling me I was dead.
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I mean, I didn't feel dead.
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You know, I don't know what high it's supposed to feel.
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But if that's the way it's supposed to feel, I'm good with it.
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So yeah, they got me off the floor.
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And so what happened is right when I passed out and start understanding what was going
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on, I was in, I was up there with the stars.
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I was among the stars because I remember seeing lights and I was just floating there.
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But I didn't.
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And I started seeing these things.
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I can't remember what exactly they looked like, but I know when I was looking at them,
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I was saying to myself, I said, okay, I said, this is not Earth stuff.
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These things that I'm watching because what they were doing, they were shooting across
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in front of them.
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And they were like, I don't, I can't say they were ships, but they had to be some kind of
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crap.
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So I want to say crap because they were shooting across and behind them, they were leaving
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these trails, these tales of like stars.
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And they were going back and just putting on a show.
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They were leaving these trails behind them and they were going back and forth.
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And I said to myself, that's the first time I said, this stuff is not Earth.
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I don't know what I'm looking at.
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So I said to myself, okay, I fell out that chair.
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So I'm dreaming.
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Because you know, you have dreams that just don't make sense when you wake up.
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You know what I'm saying?
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So I'm figuring, I know that I'm dreaming.
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I said, okay, I'm dreaming because what I'm seeing is I don't know what I'm looking at.
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But they were putting on a show.
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I tell you.
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But you say those things were more like UFOs or more like angels or something or more
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like, you know, astronomical things like planets, suns.
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Man, when you go there and see that stuff, it's trying to put it into words.
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And I can, I can't, my two things that I were thinking, because I can't remember seeing
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the actual whatever it was, it could have possibly been angels doing that or some kind
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of UFO, some kind of, some kind of shit or something that would leave a comet trail behind,
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you know, but whatever it was doing, it was having fun with it.
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And I was enjoying the show.
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I just didn't know what I was looking at.
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And that's okay.
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It's okay if you don't know all that or understand.
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Yeah, I cannot remember what they were.
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Okay.
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I didn't know I was in the stars in the universe first.
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What did you see next?
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It's like your channel turns on your TV.
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So next thing, you know, I'm perfectly still and I'm in, I'm under this dome.
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The dome looked like a cave to me because it was rock.
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I could see all the rock, all the walls.
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It was like the inside of a cave, but it was lit.
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It was the rock was real pretty.
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It was, it was an orange color.
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And it went down and when it got to where there should have been, where the floor meets
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the walls, then there was no floor.
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The walls just stopped.
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And I'm looking down where the floor should be.
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And it was like, again, I'm looking into the universe.
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I'm looking down into like we do here at night when we look up at the sky.
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It's like I was in the under the dome looking down into the sky.
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And they had these square, these cuts of stone, they were square.
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There was two stones next to each other and there was a space from the next to it.
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And these stones made a path just like you from the country that will always be that
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that stone path to the front door.
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So you won't walk in the mud or whatever, but they were side by side and they pray perfect
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space.
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And if you go to the right, they would even drop down a little bit, drop a little bit.
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And then he went and turn the other side went, I looked left and it went, it was all the
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way to the wall.
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And where it went to the wall, there was a door and it looked like a old castle door.
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It had a curve on the top.
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I was standing square doors.
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And so there in the door, there was somebody in the doorway.
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And I'm like, I'm like, wow, because they were looking back at me, but I can see through
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them.
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So I'm like, wow, I can see through this person.
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And he's still not knowing not one second that I'm even dead, you know, and I'm looking
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at him and they're looking back at me.
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And so we just looking at each other.
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And then I said, he never moved from that doorway, never moved.
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And I'm at a good distance away.
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He's not like right there because he's so far away, I can't make out a face, you know,
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but I could see there's something in the doorway and I can tell I can see through it.
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So my mind started getting the best of me.
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And I said, I want to go see what that is.
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And as soon as I said is I took off like a bullet, I saved him faster than a bullet.
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And it was so smooth.
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You actually see stuff going by you so fast.
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And I just thought it.
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And dude, I was going so fast.
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And when I got to where I'll call in my guide, when I got to where he was, I put him in the
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door and I popped up above the door.
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So here I took off a bullet went right up against the wall.
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That was no sudden stop and no earth stuff.
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It's just, whoop, I was here and then I was there.
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And man, let me tell you, when I did that, my mind went crazy.
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So in what way?
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How did it go crazy?
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Just excitement or?
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I was so excited.
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I'm like, how did I just do that?
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How did I just go from here to there and I saw myself moving?
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It wasn't a blink from one spot to the other.
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I saw myself moving that fast.
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And I got to the wall and I stopped.
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Why I went to the top of the wall above the door above him is I've heard stories.
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They don't let you see their face.
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You know, some will hold you by the hand, but you can't never remember seeing the face.
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So he wasn't going to let me see his face.
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Him, her, I'm not sure.
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So I popped up above him.
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That was the whole thing to get me to the doorway.
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Because after I stopped freaking out and realized, wait a minute, I came here to see this man
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that I could see through and I looked down quickly.
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You know, after all the excitement of me moving like that, and then I looked down real fast
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because I forgot about him.
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And there he was right up under me.
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And he, you know, the path that I was telling you, he started floating.
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He left and he floated right along that pathway.
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And I was up against the wall up there watching him leave until I, he disappeared.
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And then everything went dark, total darkness.
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But a lot of people hear darkness, they fear.
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I was never afraid not one time that I was there.
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I didn't know what fear was or had no thoughts of it because none of it crossed my mind.
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Regardless if I was in the light or if I was in the dark, fear just wasn't a part of me.
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I noticed that each time I was going to these different places, I was changing because when
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I was in the dark, I didn't ask no questions.
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My soul was looking up.
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I was, why I was looking up, I don't know.
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In the first two parts of it, I was in control.
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You know, looking around asking questions.
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When I got into the darkness, I was just looking up automatically, I guess, but my soul knew
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what was coming.
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I didn't.
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But why would I be looking up?
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And then all of a sudden I saw a light and it was like a flashlight.
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It was like somebody way out in the dark had a light like they were looking.
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A man, that light turned on me and it was so bright.
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I remember I threw my hands up or if I had hands, I don't know.
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I threw them up to block the light.
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Soon as I made that reaction, I was inside the light and it was a calm light.
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Everything around me was calm.
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It wasn't hard to look at.
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Soft, soft, beautiful light.
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And it was, I looked up, down around me, it was everywhere.
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I said, okay, but I still wasn't freaking out like I was before.
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Because each stage I go into, I was losing Brian and whatever I'm really am, it was coming
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out and it was coming out.
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I could tell because I stopped asking questions.
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Something else was taking over.
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I have a couple of questions before you proceed, if you don't mind.
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Yes, sir.
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Yes, sir.
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Because I've been dying to ask.
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So did you see what was beyond the door?
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I want to know what's behind the door.
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No, it was dark.
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So the darkness you're talking about was like you went through the door and that's when
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you were into the dark.
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And then went into the darkness because him in the door, he was illuminated, but behind
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him, it was dark.
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Okay, got it.
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But in the cave where I was, it was all lit up.
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It was lit.
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And I never saw where light source was coming from, but they say our souls are balls of
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light.
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So I could have been lightening up the whole place there myself.
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I don't know.
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Yeah.
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Because when he moved from the door and I went in, then it was dark.
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And this is a lot going on.
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The people that were performing CPR on your body, did they tell you about how long your
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heart was stopped?
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They told me, if she told me four to five minutes, they didn't gauge it, but from the
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time it took, you know, I just died right there and nobody was ready.
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Yeah, that's a long time.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yep.
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Okay, go ahead and keep going.
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You're in this darkness now.
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Yes.
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And the light came and it took me in.
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And as I'm waiting there, the front of the light start turning into a fog, start turning
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into a fog right in front of me.
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And so as I'm watching the fog, it start thinning out.
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And then I can see past the fog and it was a blue sky.
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And I'm starting to be nosy now.
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And I'm like, I'm like, that looked like the sky.
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And next thing you know, man, it was like, God, just grab me.
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Dude, I went into this love and it was so strong because it just takes you.
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It don't come, say, hey, come here, let me talk to you.
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Nope.
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It grabs you.
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It's like you stick your hand in a high voltage line and don't die from it.
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All that power running through and shaking you all through your body and you just lay
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in it.
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So beautiful.
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It's the best love you can ever feel.
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There's nothing on it.
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There's no words to describe that feeling.
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I used to cry every time I get to this part.
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I'm gonna have done a lot better now.
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So yeah, I used to get to this part, man, because that was out of everything.
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I saw everything, I felt everything that happened to me that day.
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There's nothing ever you can feel the way that love was running through my body.
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And at the time or my soul or whatever was happened, I'm thinking really it was some
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type of cleansing or something that I had to go through.
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I'm not sure, but I know what it felt like and I never forget it.
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And as I was laying there having all this zap through me, there's words right in front
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of me that said forgiveness.
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The next one said love and the next one said peace.
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When I saw the peace, when it left, I came out of the light.
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Is this the time that you were telling me about the other day when you described the
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waterfall of love?
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Yes.
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It's like I was, as far as the power of Satanic falls, if you was to bow to grab you and stick
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you under the bottom, all that force was coming down.
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That's just another way of trying to describe it.
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You know, that force of water where you normally would destroy you, but in that state, the
493
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,960
way that love, the way that power of that water was falling is like the power of the
494
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:07,960
love.
495
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,240
Or just like getting shot.
496
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:15,720
There's so many ways you have to try for us humans to understand what I'm trying to say.
497
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,360
So that's the best two ways I can describe it.
498
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:21,440
Using power is all power.
499
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:22,440
I like that.
500
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:23,440
Yeah.
501
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:29,120
And I hear people all the time as we're doing these interviews, trying to explain what that
502
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:31,360
love is like that they felt.
503
00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:33,040
Nobody can do it very well.
504
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:34,640
You can't do it.
505
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,720
Everybody does it in a different way.
506
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,760
You have to, you have to feel it.
507
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:47,840
There's no way you can describe how all that, because we're humans, you don't, you don't
508
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:52,600
see that are no miracles, nothing like that being formed, not like that.
509
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:57,200
But I have all that just flooding through you and ain't nothing you're about to do about
510
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,720
it, but sit there and enjoy it.
511
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,280
It's like ecstasy.
512
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,680
The best feeling is the best feeling.
513
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:04,680
No.
514
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,880
And that's the best way I can describe it.
515
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:11,960
What's the closest time in, when you're on the earth, what's the closest thing that's
516
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,800
ever come to that feeling?
517
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:14,800
Nothing.
518
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,160
Nothing even close?
519
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:22,760
No, no, nothing, nothing will ever can touch that.
520
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,920
It's a whole new thing.
521
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,920
I get chill bumps just talking about it.
522
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,960
So isn't it hard to come back and not be feeling that anymore?
523
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,000
Or does some of that stick with you?
524
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,840
That's the hardest thing in the world is to come back.
525
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,720
That's the hardest thing.
526
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,400
That was the hardest thing.
527
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:49,320
Because after they got me off the floor, before the ambulance got there, they took me, I'm
528
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,200
getting ahead of myself, but just so I won't forget it later.
529
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,880
When I got back and they was all looking at me in that chair, sweating and wanting to go
530
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,680
to sleep, I would look up there.
531
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,680
I mean, they wouldn't even look at me because they couldn't do nothing with me.
532
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,400
I was just my friends.
533
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:04,920
We have family on the road.
534
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,360
They couldn't even look at me.
535
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,520
And while they were sitting there feeling sorry for me, I was feeling sorry for this
536
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:13,520
whole world.
537
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:19,520
And I'm like, man, y'all don't even realize what I just saw.
538
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,960
And everybody was sad.
539
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,920
And I was looking at them and I was sad for them.
540
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,520
And I was the one having the heart attack.
541
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,360
It's a whole different thing when you see that.
542
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:36,880
It's like when I came out to light, the while me moving fast, oh, what's that?
543
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,680
What is this I'm looking at?
544
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,640
When I came out of that light, I was all power.
545
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,680
I was all, with all I could ever want to be.
546
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,480
I was no more Brian.
547
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,640
I was thinking no human.
548
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,240
All of that was gone.
549
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,240
I felt like a God.
550
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,160
And I don't know how God's supposed to feel.
551
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:04,960
When I was in the sky, looking down and not tripping out saying, oh my God, I'm in the
552
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:05,960
sky.
553
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,360
Look, look, none of that.
554
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:08,360
All of that was gone.
555
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:09,360
I was calm.
556
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:15,640
I had peace flowing through me like peace, just like the love that I described.
557
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,760
You get that feeling with that peace.
558
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,080
It just flows through you.
559
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,560
That's not one thing on my mind.
560
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,400
No heart attack, no pain.
561
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,320
I didn't remember how I died.
562
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,920
I didn't even know I was even dead.
563
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,840
All I know I was right now is a superman.
564
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,600
And I can do anything that I wanted.
565
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:41,560
And I mean, just the thing is about Earth, I never remember nothing from Earth, not at
566
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,920
all, besides me falling out of that chair.
567
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,600
And that let me know, OK, you might be dreaming.
568
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,360
But then by the time I got to this part, I was all super power.
569
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,040
I was amazing.
570
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,160
I was strong, strong, strong.
571
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,680
And I knew I could do anything that I want.
572
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:05,640
And so as I'm up there in the sky, I'm looking down and I see these trees.
573
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,400
I see land.
574
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,880
So I start floating down out of the sky really slow.
575
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,360
I didn't move fast like I did.
576
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,360
I had no rush.
577
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:21,800
So I came down to the tops of these pine trees and I started looking at them.
578
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,600
And as I started floating down next to the trees, I'm looking at these needles.
579
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:31,760
They were so green, green needles on these pine trees.
580
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,680
And I could see all of them.
581
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:42,000
I could see and I could see them all, not just, you know, we have to look and focus.
582
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:48,400
And one thing I could see every all of the needles, every individual one.
583
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:55,640
And I floated down his trees and they went into the ground and then I floated backwards.
584
00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:01,880
These trees were up on this cliff or something because that was a drop off.
585
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:08,680
And a rock or the sand or whatever was on the slopes that the drop off, it was the same
586
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,680
color as the rocks that was in the cave.
587
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,160
It had that orange look, real pretty orange look.
588
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,960
And I looked below that.
589
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:23,560
So now here I am floating over the most beautiful garden I've ever seen in my life.
590
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,360
When I looked down, I was caught.
591
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,080
The flowers caught.
592
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,080
They were so beautiful.
593
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,160
They were huge and they were sparkling.
594
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,120
They were just sparkling.
595
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:41,960
And the colors of these flowers were a thousand times ours.
596
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,840
Or we could take the most beautiful flower in this world and look at it.
597
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,840
That flower is going to be dull compared to that.
598
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:54,640
It has not even a chance sitting next to those flowers.
599
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,920
And it was like they were alive.
600
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,680
They were entrancing me.
601
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,840
I couldn't even look away.
602
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:07,960
There were millions and they were in this valley because I could see to my left and
603
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,680
I could see to my right.
604
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:15,000
And then flowers went for miles that it disappeared on each side and big valley.
605
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,520
And I could see the sun rays or not the sun.
606
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,800
I'm sure there ain't no sun over there.
607
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,320
There were white rays.
608
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,480
We have yellow ones from the sun.
609
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,480
The rays that came down from the sky were white.
610
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,680
They were thick, thick.
611
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:29,960
You knew they were there.
612
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,720
There was no, oh, I think I see some rays.
613
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:36,440
No, they were commanding out the sky.
614
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,240
And I'm not sure if that light that brought me there was still up there and that was the
615
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:42,320
way the rays were coming from.
616
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:43,320
I don't know.
617
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,600
But I knew I came back.
618
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,400
So it must have been sitting up there still.
619
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,400
So yeah, I'm looking left.
620
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:58,160
I'm looking right on and man, the thing about there is the flowers that I was looking at.
621
00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,800
They had red ones and white ones.
622
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:05,760
I remember I zoomed in on two and there was a red one and white one sitting right next
623
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,400
together.
624
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:12,480
And I could still see the ones that were around them.
625
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:18,600
And I could still see left and right as I was zooming in on that flower.
626
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,680
I could still see everything.
627
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,400
Even zooming in blah, blah, blah.
628
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,920
It's all there where I could see it.
629
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,880
And as I messed around, I mean that garden had me so caught up.
630
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,160
I mean, a color you couldn't look away.
631
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,280
I could not look away.
632
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:43,600
And so I'm just drifting to the right real slow looking down at these flowers and then
633
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,400
the channel changed.
634
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,760
I'm back in the sky.
635
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:54,360
Nothing around me, nothing but big, giant blue sky and I'm up there just in the sky.
636
00:35:54,360 --> 00:36:01,160
And then as I'm looking in front of me, it's hard to describe this too because you're looking
637
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:07,440
at a blue sky and then something like something shipped or something opened, something did
638
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:08,440
something.
639
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:14,920
And then that was these four bright lights, four white lights straight up and down.
640
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:20,480
And so as I'm looking at the lights, I could tell they were coming to me.
641
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:21,960
Oh, I was going to them.
642
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:22,960
I'm not sure.
643
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,760
I'm not sure.
644
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,320
But I knew they were getting bigger.
645
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:33,640
And as I'm watching them come, all these little lights just start popping.
646
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,320
All these lights man, start.
647
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:42,680
And now I'm looking around me and as these little lights circling and just having a grand
648
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:50,440
old time all over me and I'm looking like, wow, you know, look at these lights.
649
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:58,240
And then as the big ones came, they stopped in front of me, the big lights came and they
650
00:36:58,240 --> 00:36:59,240
stopped.
651
00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:04,320
And then all the little lights, it reminded me myself of a disturbed being as like somebody
652
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,200
hit the hive and then all of these out circling and running around.
653
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,600
That's how they were around me.
654
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:15,960
And then they all start shooting to the big lights from then they started at the top.
655
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,120
They was just going and going.
656
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,120
And so now I'm looking.
657
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,320
So I'm starting to see ahead.
658
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,440
I mean, these things are they all melting together.
659
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:30,640
So I see ahead, then they go down and they making a neck.
660
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:36,760
It's just like they filling in and they were all just steady shooting away from me.
661
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:41,560
And then they build, I watched them go all the way down to the bottom because after you
662
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:47,720
hit the shoulders, as they came down, the shoulders made a point and then they went
663
00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:50,000
in into the light of the body.
664
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:55,680
So that lets me know he was holding his hands or his hands was behind his back.
665
00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:03,240
After they filled him in down to the bottom, I looked up and he had his head down the whole
666
00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:04,640
while they were making.
667
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,600
And man, his head was down if you could tell it's Chen was in his chest.
668
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,360
And when they finished, he lifted his head up.
669
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,840
I'm like, oh my God.
670
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:23,880
But I said that when I came back, but in my form, my spirit form didn't nothing need that
671
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:24,880
happen.
672
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:25,880
Surprised me.
673
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,360
It was just like I knew that's they that's God.
674
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,800
If that's how he pops up then, you know what I'm saying?
675
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:38,760
My soul wasn't amazed because I was I'd been there long enough to where I'm, you know,
676
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:43,760
I'm being almost too long if I'm supposed to go back because I was there a long time.
677
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,640
That's just the first time.
678
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,160
And man, he was it was so amazing.
679
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,680
And then he started as he he said that he was just looking at me.
680
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,680
Now imagine just looking at a man of all life.
681
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,560
You could see the structure of the face.
682
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:04,200
You could see the jaw bone and then the light start coming out the side of his head and
683
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:05,200
they were waving.
684
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:11,120
There were two waving lights and then another one popped out on the top and it was waving
685
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,720
like waving.
686
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:14,160
And I'm looking at him.
687
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,560
It's like, wow, he knows it all.
688
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,840
That's nothing that gets by him.
689
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,360
When I when this first happened to me, I was putting my story on everything.
690
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,680
I'm like, man, we have to see this.
691
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:27,880
We are so sleep.
692
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,640
We're so lost.
693
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,880
We all think in this one way and and it's not even that hard.
694
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,200
You know, all you got to do is love your neighbor.
695
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:45,920
And so somebody told me just before I even thought about writing a book or anything, you
696
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,920
know, somebody asked me about that.
697
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:54,640
And in one day they told me and they said, you sure that wasn't you?
698
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,920
And I'm like, I said, that's no way I can.
699
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,400
That's no way.
700
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,320
That was way too powerful.
701
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:03,680
That had to be God.
702
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,000
That's all I that's why I say the great one.
703
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:12,120
I don't even say God no more because looking at what I was looking at, that takes all that
704
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,240
out your mouth.
705
00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:14,920
All that God.
706
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:21,080
That's not even a big enough word to support this power that I'm sitting here looking at.
707
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:25,520
And when somebody they mentioned that and I didn't I'm like, I see a name.
708
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:26,520
That's no possible way.
709
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,640
That's how could I be looking at myself?
710
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,880
But then you start learning about a higher self.
711
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,360
And so I dismissed that.
712
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,000
And that was like two years ago.
713
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,920
Was there any communication going on between the two of you?
714
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,800
No, you just saw him knew who he was.
715
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,760
No, he was right in my face.
716
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,160
I figured he was God.
717
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:54,480
But as a couple of years passed by others, you know, you meet spiritual people.
718
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,760
And just just I did a podcast last week.
719
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,720
And when I got to that point, people had he had another one.
720
00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:03,880
That's, you know, there's a higher self.
721
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,120
You could have been looking at your own self because there's a little bit of us that comes
722
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,120
to earth.
723
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:13,960
But our main self is still there.
724
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:20,400
Now, you want to want to tell you something that blew my mind because I wasn't ready for
725
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:21,400
that.
726
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,680
I still don't know who he was.
727
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:31,040
You know, as a spiritual people, keep saying that could have been my own self and man to
728
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,280
imagine you being that powerful.
729
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,520
I thought I was powerful enough just floating around.
730
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:41,480
And now here I'm looking at something that's could possibly be me.
731
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,720
Now that blew my mind.
732
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:49,520
So on this particular day, and I'm sorry for interrupting on this particular day, you had
733
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,960
a couple of other times that your heart stopped.
734
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,900
We're still on the first time.
735
00:41:54,900 --> 00:41:56,880
Is there very much more that happens?
736
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,280
Would you get us?
737
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:03,360
Go ahead and take us through that and the experience of getting back in your body.
738
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:04,360
If you remember that.
739
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:05,360
Yes.
740
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:06,360
Oh, yeah.
741
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:07,360
I remember that.
742
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:12,240
As he, as he was looking at me, he started flying in stock.
743
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:15,800
He went up and down and right.
744
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:21,760
He was just flying around and I'm looking at him and his head is turning and he's watching
745
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:22,760
me.
746
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:23,920
He never stopped looking at me.
747
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:30,040
When he got done doing that, he came back right back to my face and we looked at each
748
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,840
other and then he took off.
749
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:39,400
And this time he moved like I did in the first part because he moved so fast there were silhouettes.
750
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,840
He left silhouettes of himself.
751
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,480
That's when I opened my eyes on the floor.
752
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:44,480
Wow.
753
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,600
Stay with me until they fix me.
754
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,040
And you opened your eyes and they're doing CPR on you.
755
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,000
They're doing CPR and everything is going crazy.
756
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,000
Wow.
757
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,520
I just had the ride of my life.
758
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,200
He's coming in back into the body experience has kind of cracked me up.
759
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:04,200
They're so different.
760
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:05,200
Yeah.
761
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:11,120
I talked to somebody yesterday and his episode will probably be out before this one, but
762
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:15,800
he was in an operating room, was dead for a while.
763
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:20,400
I don't want to give away a bunch of details, but when he woke up, he had the sheet up over
764
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,560
his head because he was dead.
765
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:23,920
Oh yeah.
766
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,880
And he woke up and pulled the sheet down and sat up like, hey.
767
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,320
Oh, I bet he blew their mind.
768
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:32,320
And yeah.
769
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,560
And you freaked out the woman that was doing chest compressions on you, I'm sure.
770
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:37,560
Oh yeah.
771
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:38,560
Yes.
772
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,000
I know, although she must have just been so excited that it worked.
773
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,000
Wow.
774
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,000
Yes.
775
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,000
Yes.
776
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,000
Yes.
777
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:51,160
She said, I've done that a bunch of times and nobody has come back talking and you scared
778
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:52,160
me.
779
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,160
Wow.
780
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:54,160
Okay.
781
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,200
We don't want to go on for five hours today.
782
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:57,680
So if that's it.
783
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,520
Yeah, I know because I can, it's a long one.
784
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:01,520
Yeah.
785
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:02,520
It's okay.
786
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:03,520
It's awesome.
787
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:04,520
And I love the detail.
788
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,000
The first one is just the longest.
789
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,000
Okay.
790
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,000
Yes.
791
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,040
Let's talk about those.
792
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:14,120
Does the ambulance get there before number two heart stoppage happens?
793
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,120
Yes, sir.
794
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:20,600
The ambulance got there and they put me in the ambulance and soon as they hooked me up
795
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:26,080
to all these wires or whatever, I closed my eyes.
796
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,920
This time when I, the first time I died, I didn't feel nothing.
797
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,160
I just felt myself passing out.
798
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,240
But this time I felt a jerk.
799
00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:34,720
It was like a jerk.
800
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:37,760
And then I was standing next to my butt.
801
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,320
I couldn't see nobody else in the ambulance.
802
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,320
And I was looking, I was just close to my face.
803
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,880
So a jerk, like someone jerked your spirit out of your body?
804
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:47,880
Yep.
805
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:48,880
That's interesting.
806
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,520
Like it, like it didn't roll in.
807
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:57,480
Like it didn't really want to come out, but it was forced because I'm not getting any,
808
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:58,480
nothing to my heart.
809
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,280
I'm 99% blocked.
810
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:01,280
Yeah.
811
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:07,440
So, yeah, it's like it, I came back and then, you know, I guess I'm supposed to be here,
812
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,240
my body like it couldn't hold.
813
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:11,600
And so I died again.
814
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,200
And I'm standing there looking at my face.
815
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:15,880
My head was turned to the side.
816
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:21,560
My eyes were closed and my mouth was open because I could see the top row of my teeth.
817
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,200
Honestly, I didn't even know what I was.
818
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,200
I was looking at my face.
819
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,520
I called myself and it, I didn't like, what is that?
820
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,720
I didn't want to have nothing to do with it.
821
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:35,280
I didn't feel nothing for it.
822
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,520
It was useless, a useful piece of dirt to me.
823
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,000
Pretty much what it was.
824
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,000
Yeah.
825
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,520
You were done with that dirty old body.
826
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:50,960
My soul did not want nothing to do with my body.
827
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:55,600
And that's, it trips me out how people, you get these people that figure that God gives
828
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,080
to women and men and you know what I'm saying?
829
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:03,720
Thinking you all, and then when your soul actually jumped out to everybody, it's going
830
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:09,000
to look at you a whole different way than the way you look at yourself.
831
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,640
Because it cared nothing.
832
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:15,800
And so after I sat there and tried to figure out what that was I was looking at because
833
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,320
I never knew, never even knew it was me.
834
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:19,840
I was gone.
835
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:25,440
And this time I was, I was in this place and I was floating and it was this in front of
836
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,640
me was this big huge circle.
837
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,280
It's huge.
838
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,640
And they had flowers all inside this circle.
839
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:37,200
Each flower's had a group, the green and blue ones, whatever.
840
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,320
And he all made up this one circle.
841
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:48,160
And as I looked at this circle, it was, it just comes to say all of these represents
842
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:57,120
different people, different languages, different cultures, but they all are inside that one
843
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:58,880
circle.
844
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:03,880
And they must know we are all one, even though I look different from you or talk different
845
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:08,400
from you, but I can't hate you because I don't know you.
846
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:09,400
You know what I'm saying?
847
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,120
It's just we are all one.
848
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,920
We just can't see that here because everybody wearing different suits.
849
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,480
You know what I'm saying?
850
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:22,400
So that's the way, I mean, and I never had to think about it or nothing.
851
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,320
When I came back, that's what I said.
852
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:25,520
And that's what comes out.
853
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:30,320
And I will say it and tell the fourth time, which is not for me to go.
854
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:37,840
So from there, and this, this part here, like I said, after I, after I was looking at these
855
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,640
flowers and got my explanation, the channel changed.
856
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,880
Now I'm inside this white room.
857
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:50,560
Beautiful, white, white, shiny white.
858
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:56,040
It was so white, it made me pay attention to the whiteness of this room, the wall,
859
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,920
ceiling, floor, everything was shiny white.
860
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:05,000
And they had podiums there, like they have in museums.
861
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:12,800
And they had these animals sitting on top of these podiums in this white room.
862
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:19,760
I'm thinking like a museum type place because the animals were statues.
863
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:25,720
And these animals, they were these dogs that the Egyptians drew on the walls.
864
00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:32,400
I remember seeing growing up are these black Egyptian dogs because in the way they drew
865
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:37,880
them on the wall, they would draw a long pointing nose with a ball on the end.
866
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:42,480
I don't know if you ever remember seeing that growing up and had the pointy ears.
867
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:43,480
Sure.
868
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:44,480
Yeah.
869
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,800
And there was a whole dog.
870
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:52,920
There was a statue, but that it looked just like the way they drew them, not the way a
871
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,920
real dog looks.
872
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,960
And they were, they were, oh, it was quite a few of them in this room, in this white
873
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,320
room.
874
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:06,320
And it just made me give this, have this museum, like they were on display.
875
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,480
You know, I've done studies.
876
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:13,360
I don't know how much it ties in with the studies, but I heard those dogs were their
877
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,480
protectors.
878
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,880
And in the afterlife, they would have them cross over.
879
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:24,440
So after I looked at the dogs, till this day, I was wondering why I was there looking
880
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:25,440
at that stuff.
881
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:30,920
And it made me think, maybe I had a past life in that time.
882
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:36,520
You know, maybe I would, you just never know, man, and we won't never, we can't figure
883
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,720
that stuff out, but you'll know when you leave.
884
00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:41,440
I guarantee that.
885
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:50,240
So after, after the museum, I was like back in space and I was looking down at the earth
886
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:55,800
and the earth might have been the size of an orange from my distance of where I was.
887
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,840
And I'm looking at it.
888
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:05,440
The blueness of this earth was so, it was so beautiful, deep blue that it was glowing.
889
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,880
It was glowing.
890
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:14,360
And that was a mist that like that fog that I was in, in the first part in the light,
891
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:18,600
that mist, it had that mist around the earth.
892
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:24,720
And I was, and it was so blue, and the earth was so blue, it was still, it was still pulsating
893
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:25,720
through the mist.
894
00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:28,480
You could, and it was so beautiful.
895
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,160
And after I looked at that, I'm like, how could something be so beautiful?
896
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,320
How so much evil killing it?
897
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:40,960
All this stuff, but from my distance, it was beautiful.
898
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,600
I mean, it was beautiful and it was round.
899
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:44,600
It wasn't flat.
900
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:49,400
Don't worry, I'm not in the flat earth or category.
901
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:54,400
But I'm just saying, I'm against some slack, man.
902
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:55,400
I know.
903
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:56,680
But I'm familiar with that philosophy.
904
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,080
I find it humorous.
905
00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:59,080
Oh, yes.
906
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:00,080
Yes.
907
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,080
Yes.
908
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:07,600
So from then, my channel changed, I saw so much other stuff flash in front of me, and
909
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,560
I can't remember those.
910
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,280
I can't remember.
911
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:16,880
So when I opened my eyes in Amulet, everybody that was just looking at me, and they were
912
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:17,880
just looking at me.
913
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,640
So I'm like, I say, what happened?
914
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,520
She said, oh, we had to shock you again.
915
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,960
I said, oh, I said, okay.
916
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:33,800
So we waited on the helicopter to get there because I was way too far for them to be transported
917
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:34,800
by the ambulance.
918
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:39,040
So I heard the helicopter come in and put me in the helicopter.
919
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:43,120
Yeah, it was a small helicopter, I was surprised.
920
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,760
And so they stuck me in there.
921
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:50,960
And there was this guy in the back with me, while the other two flew or one, whoever I
922
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:51,960
can't remember.
923
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:56,960
And I was just looking out the window and joined the flight, but every time I would look back
924
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:01,720
at him, he was watching me like a hawk.
925
00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:03,520
Just in case this guy dies again.
926
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,760
I tell you, because I had already coded twice and they knew it.
927
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:08,760
Yeah.
928
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,800
Yeah, and he made his money that day.
929
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,960
Every time I took a peek over there, he was watching me like a hawk.
930
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:25,320
So they got me to the hospital and they were yelling, oh, blockage, blockage.
931
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:32,160
They got me in there and they stripped all my clothes off and start prepping me for surgery.
932
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,200
And I remember I was freezing, freezing.
933
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,760
Now I went from sweating to freezing.
934
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:41,480
So I'm laying on that cold table, my arms on my side of me.
935
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:46,440
And then that time I just left.
936
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:51,440
And when I came back, my arms were over my head.
937
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:58,000
And so I asked the guy, I said, they was just working.
938
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,360
Nobody was, you know, they was just working.
939
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:05,080
So I said, hey, I said, wasn't my arms on my side?
940
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:09,160
And he said, yeah, he said, you didn't feel that?
941
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,680
I said, no, I said, feel what?
942
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:16,400
He said, man, when we shocked you, you see your whole body almost blew off the table.
943
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,480
We had to reset you.
944
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,160
And that's when your arm, he said, you didn't feel that?
945
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,840
I said, no, I didn't feel that.
946
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:25,240
I didn't want to feel that.
947
00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:27,160
Yeah, you weren't even there.
948
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,800
No, I was gone, gone, man.
949
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,960
And they, they, they, they wrestled me again.
950
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,000
And here I am.
951
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:38,360
This time I'm in front of the, it reminded me of a chair.
952
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:39,920
It reminded me of a chair, man.
953
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:41,720
And it was so old.
954
00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:43,640
It was old, old.
955
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:50,040
It didn't have a backrest, but it was, it was the size, maybe three or three, four story
956
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,840
building, but it looked like a foot stool.
957
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:54,280
It didn't really look like a chair.
958
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,960
It looked more like a foot stool, but it was huge.
959
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,600
It was gigantic.
960
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,920
So at the top, I can't remember the details of it.
961
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:08,280
I can't remember of the details of it, but there were some I do.
962
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:14,640
At the top, there were green vines growing down from the top on down the sides and they
963
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,080
went all the way down to the floor.
964
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,040
These vines were beautiful.
965
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:24,080
The colors, man, up the stuff there, it's just, it's just everything you look at, you're
966
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,560
going to look at it more if you just don't look away.
967
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:31,120
And on this vine, they had these yellow flowers.
968
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:36,160
They, they, they reminded me of two flowers and they were beautiful.
969
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:40,520
And they were growing down these vines all the way down to the floor.
970
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:46,760
And what held this box or chair, whatever it was, the wood was old, old, and it was
971
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:51,040
carved and it was carved footing.
972
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:52,640
They were carved wood.
973
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:57,800
And they, you could tell just looking at it, it was ancient old, by the way it looked.
974
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,200
So whatever I'm looking at was really old.
975
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,360
And you know that bothered me for a couple of years.
976
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,240
I kept looking for flowers.
977
00:55:05,240 --> 00:55:09,320
I kept looking for them to see anything that was close.
978
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:15,760
And do you know just a few weeks ago after three years, a few weeks ago, I finally found
979
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,560
yellow flowers that look like those.
980
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,120
And you know the name of them?
981
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,640
No, what are they?
982
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,960
Creamy yellow angels trumpet.
983
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:29,000
Now imagine the name of that that I found.
984
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:34,760
It could be a coincidence, of course, but they look exactly like the ones that I saw
985
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:36,480
and look at their name.
986
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,680
Creamy yellow angels trumpet.
987
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,280
Yeah, I'll Google that as soon as we're done.
988
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:42,280
Yes, yes.
989
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:43,280
All right.
990
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:49,080
Did you see anything else on this third experience that was new from the first two besides that?
991
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:50,080
No, sir.
992
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:54,520
I think I had stuff flashing after the chair that I can't remember.
993
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,760
And some of that will probably come back to you.
994
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:57,760
Yeah.
995
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,000
It's normal for it to take some time.
996
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,000
Yeah.
997
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:07,480
I think it's two years because the first podcast I did, I took the followers right to the light
998
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:12,480
because I couldn't remember the beginning beginning, but from the light to seeing the
999
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,640
light man, I'd never forget that part.
1000
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:20,880
But I just wasn't, I didn't know what the beginnings were, but all that's that.
1001
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:25,200
I had to change my book because I wrote it before my memory.
1002
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,000
So when I started editing, then that's it.
1003
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,600
Oh, I had to change that.
1004
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,160
That's not how it happened.
1005
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:36,280
And these things can take, you know, this can take a few days for all the memories to
1006
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:37,520
come back for some people.
1007
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,840
It takes a few years and that's okay.
1008
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:46,800
And some people that I've talked to have said, I learned all about such and such like the
1009
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,320
creation of the world.
1010
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:52,360
I know that I learned all about it, but I don't remember it now.
1011
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,600
But I know that I learned it.
1012
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:55,600
Yes.
1013
00:56:55,600 --> 00:57:02,040
I knew I was seeing some stuff that I can't remember what they are in the beginning until
1014
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:08,760
this day I'm like, what were they, but they were shooting across, leaving sparkling trails
1015
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,480
and I was having fun.
1016
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,600
And I even know what I was looking at.
1017
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,320
Yeah, that's awesome.
1018
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:21,840
I want to get back to this, seeing all these lights come into a formation that at first
1019
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:23,480
you thought was God.
1020
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:24,480
Yes.
1021
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,280
Besides a few people telling you, no, maybe it was something else.
1022
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,400
Maybe it was your higher self.
1023
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:35,520
Has anything else happened or memories that would lead you to believe that that wasn't
1024
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:36,520
God?
1025
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:37,520
No.
1026
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:38,520
Okay.
1027
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:39,880
I believed in my soul.
1028
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:45,800
That was God, you know, like I said, it's still new to me.
1029
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,960
Five years later, I'm probably going to say something different.
1030
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:53,160
If I were you, I would stick with those first thoughts that came to you.
1031
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,360
They were probably the ones that are right.
1032
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:00,240
And don't let somebody change your mind that maybe it was something else.
1033
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:01,400
Yeah.
1034
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,600
And you know, as far as me, it don't even matter what it was.
1035
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:11,080
You know, I know what I saw because I was raised in a religion.
1036
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:12,960
You know, you don't just die and go to heaven.
1037
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:18,560
You got to go through all this other routes and rules and regulations.
1038
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:24,560
But when I saw what I saw, when I left my body, the way I felt what I felt, I don't
1039
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:25,800
care what nobody said.
1040
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:26,800
Good.
1041
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:28,560
I know where I'm going when I leave to you.
1042
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:29,800
That's great.
1043
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,600
So it doesn't matter who he wants.
1044
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,520
It's just the fact that I went on a grand tour.
1045
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:43,280
And speaking of religion, has your beliefs or thoughts about your faith changed since
1046
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,200
this happened?
1047
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:46,200
Everything changed.
1048
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:47,200
Tell me about that.
1049
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:48,200
How has it changed?
1050
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:53,800
I don't see because I'm going to have to let me let me try and explain this man.
1051
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:58,600
And it's going to be really, really hard when you leave here and come back.
1052
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,640
It's like you left the box.
1053
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,880
It's like you jumped out of a little bitty box.
1054
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:09,080
So when you come back, you're not in that box anymore.
1055
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,400
What everybody else is.
1056
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,000
So that's what makes it hard.
1057
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,000
You know what I'm saying?
1058
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:19,760
All people have, if they're religions, their beliefs, that's all you're taught.
1059
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,160
That's all you program to know.
1060
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:23,160
You know what I'm saying?
1061
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,400
You choose whatever you believe in.
1062
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:33,080
But when you get out of that box and come back, none of that makes any sense to me anymore.
1063
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:38,440
It's like all of these are earth rules, earth stuff.
1064
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:43,880
Because when I left earth, I never remembered nothing else from it.
1065
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:51,320
So as far as religion, no, religion, my thing is the universe was rolling way before religion
1066
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,400
came here, before man started religion.
1067
00:59:54,400 --> 01:00:02,400
So whatever happened to you in that time before the universe was rolling, the universe hasn't
1068
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:03,400
changed.
1069
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:08,480
So when you come with your rules and saying this and this is where it's supposed to go,
1070
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:12,320
after you leave here and go there and come back, you don't see it that way.
1071
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:16,520
And as nobody walking this earth, it can tell me different.
1072
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:17,520
Nobody.
1073
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,640
It changes your mind.
1074
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,200
Everything is different.
1075
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:25,280
Like I said, I felt sorry for humans when I came back.
1076
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:30,400
And then I went into the depression and all the other stuff that comes with that.
1077
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:31,400
It's a weight.
1078
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:32,400
It's a weight to carry.
1079
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:33,920
And I love carrying.
1080
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:40,640
So just to clarify, would you say that what you experienced contradicted your religion
1081
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:46,200
or it just was such a higher level, you realized the religion you had been, church you had
1082
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,520
been going to didn't really matter anymore.
1083
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,320
It didn't matter anymore.
1084
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:54,160
And I tell you another thing and I can tell everybody else this.
1085
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:55,840
You're going to forget when you leave here.
1086
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:57,680
You're not going to remember going to your church.
1087
01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:59,160
You won't remember none of that.
1088
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,240
It's all going to be gone.
1089
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:02,240
Just that simple.
1090
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,360
And I know it's hard to understand.
1091
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,520
How about memories of your loved ones?
1092
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,240
Those will be there.
1093
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,960
You take the good when you leave here.
1094
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:16,480
Your family, they all are there.
1095
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,640
Everybody's there because everybody talks about it.
1096
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:20,840
I didn't go that far.
1097
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:24,760
All I can tell you, I didn't remember nothing from this place.
1098
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:26,240
It was all gone.
1099
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,400
So whatever you think you're doing, right?
1100
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:29,880
I don't know.
1101
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:34,680
Nobody's believes believe in what you think you have to believe in.
1102
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:39,680
But if you had the chance to die like me and come back, you will be talking totally different
1103
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:40,680
to me.
1104
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:45,480
So has it helped you to talk to other people that have had experiences like this?
1105
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,320
Oh, I had to, man.
1106
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,160
I was I was a lost cause.
1107
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:53,880
I was so lost and confused because I grew up in religion.
1108
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:57,920
The first of all, I was happy that I wasn't in the hell.
1109
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,120
I was so happy.
1110
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,720
And then I have to, okay, what did all these thoughts go through my mind now?
1111
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,080
Okay, I had to find somebody.
1112
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:08,680
I couldn't talk to regular people.
1113
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:10,560
You know, nobody understand me.
1114
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:14,680
I had to find people that it happened to and I did.
1115
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:21,280
So I went on these near death accounts and listen and learn and start talking to people.
1116
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:22,560
And I met this friend.
1117
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:24,320
Her name is Lisa.
1118
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:26,800
And she had to work with me, man.
1119
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:33,520
I mean, okay, all this you in your mind that you grew up with now, you saw something totally
1120
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:34,520
different.
1121
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:35,520
I needed help.
1122
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,800
And I grew a lot.
1123
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:43,640
I had a million questions even because in my mind, when I see that come back, it's telling
1124
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:45,480
me everything's okay.
1125
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:49,520
But what you drilled and growing on, that's not the way.
1126
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:52,520
But when I laid in my hospital bed, I will never forget this.
1127
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,320
He never said nothing to me when I was looking at him.
1128
01:02:55,320 --> 01:03:00,000
But when I came back and I was laying in my hospital bed so overwhelmed about all what
1129
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:06,280
I saw, a little voice right in my head said, Brian, heaven is easy.
1130
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,720
It's all about love.
1131
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:15,440
And when I heard that, I said, and you know, when I left that hospital, I jumped in this
1132
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,080
within both feet.
1133
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,840
I had to find somebody that said that.
1134
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:24,720
And do you know most of the accounts that I've read, they said, just what I said.
1135
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:26,360
So that confirmed it.
1136
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:32,200
Whatever was being said in my ear was being confirmed by all these other near death experiences.
1137
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,280
It's all about love.
1138
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:39,800
And that's why I will say until the day I leave here, honestly, I mean, I left and I
1139
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,560
couldn't remember nothing from here.
1140
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:46,920
But yet I'm supposed to be judging from his big bad God and all of that.
1141
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:48,680
You didn't fill any guilt.
1142
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:50,800
Any guilt.
1143
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:52,280
As far as.
1144
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,120
Well, you weren't perfect.
1145
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:55,120
I'm not perfect.
1146
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:56,120
Nobody's perfect.
1147
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:57,520
No, no, no.
1148
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:02,200
And some of us are, some of us are afraid we're going to get over to that other side and
1149
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:07,080
oh man, the guilt from all the imperfections, you know, things maybe I did, I shouldn't
1150
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,480
have any of that feeling.
1151
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,000
That was gone, sir.
1152
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:12,840
That was gone.
1153
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:14,240
All of that was gone.
1154
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:15,680
That was no guilt.
1155
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:21,400
It seems to me like that pure love that you explained, the waterfall and everything of
1156
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:27,720
love is so contrary to the feeling of guilt that they can't really exist in the same place.
1157
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:29,760
Is that how you felt?
1158
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:30,760
They can't.
1159
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:31,760
Yeah.
1160
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:32,760
That's too power.
1161
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,160
It's too different there.
1162
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,480
It's too different.
1163
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:42,720
People think when you leave here, you're going to have your same mind.
1164
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:43,720
Just like your thoughts.
1165
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:47,240
Oh, you know, I can't, I serve God this way.
1166
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:53,920
Oh, I've even heard that, you know, Brian, I didn't go to nobody's church.
1167
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:58,120
Everybody was like, how did I get the opportunity to see that?
1168
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:02,840
God lets me know God is so much bigger than us.
1169
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:08,120
When you, when you, when people leave here, you will not remember your religion.
1170
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:12,360
All of that stuff is you're going to take the good and you're going to go back to your
1171
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:16,520
higher self or back to wherever you came from.
1172
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:22,160
People that may be walking around afraid of death, what would you say to them?
1173
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:28,560
It's hard to say, it's hard to say, oh, it's going to be okay if you haven't seen, you
1174
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:29,560
know what I mean?
1175
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:35,280
So all the best I can say is, all you do is go to sleep.
1176
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,440
You don't, it don't, death don't hurt.
1177
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:40,560
All I know is death freed me.
1178
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:44,040
I was free when I died and that's the best I could tell him.
1179
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,040
You're going to be free.
1180
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:47,520
You're going to be free.
1181
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:53,160
All this weight, no bills, no, none of that, no worries.
1182
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:55,400
You're going to change and you're going to be powerful.
1183
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,880
You're not going to think like you did thought here on this earth.
1184
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:02,840
All of that is going to stay here and you're going to be free.
1185
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:06,320
Lastly, I'm going to give you the floor here.
1186
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:12,400
I'm not going to ask you a question except to say, leave our listeners with whatever
1187
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:15,520
Brian thinks is really important today.
1188
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:19,200
What is important with Brian is loving your neighbor.
1189
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:20,760
You love your neighbor.
1190
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:22,400
Do good to people.
1191
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:26,440
You don't have to worry about dying or bad things happen.
1192
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:28,720
And also we make mistakes.
1193
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:30,840
I came back, I make mistakes.
1194
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:32,120
I died three times.
1195
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:33,360
I am human.
1196
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:34,840
That's what we do.
1197
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:41,480
But in all that, we need to find the love and in anything that we see, maybe arguments,
1198
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:45,480
it take, we take one and say, okay, I have to find a love.
1199
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:50,400
There's love in here some way to fix this.
1200
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:55,960
You know, if everything is about love and we have to try and figure it out, but I could
1201
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:59,760
tell you live your best life and don't be afraid to die.
1202
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:04,040
We are here to live this life, not to be here afraid of it.
1203
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:06,440
And what's going to happen when we leave?
1204
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:09,400
Love your name and you're going right back to the light.
1205
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:10,400
That's a great message.
1206
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:11,400
Thank you.
1207
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:14,400
If people want to hear more about your story, where do they find it?
1208
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:15,600
You had mentioned a book.
1209
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:17,560
What's it called and where do they find it?
1210
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:18,720
Yes, sir.
1211
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:28,680
I have a website called deathfree.com and also the book is on Kindle.
1212
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:32,960
I have an ebook on Kindle and I just finished the paperback.
1213
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,960
So the paperback will be available in the next couple of days.
1214
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:36,960
All right.
1215
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:40,600
We'll put that website in the show notes so everybody can find it.
1216
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:42,840
Brian Jordan, thank you so much.
1217
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:44,640
This was fascinating today.
1218
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:50,360
Yes, sir.
1219
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:55,240
Thanks again for listening and a quick reminder to follow this podcast and take a few seconds
1220
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:56,760
to write a review.
1221
01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:00,000
It helps others to easily find us.
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01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:04,960
Until next time, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the
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