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From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.
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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.
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And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my
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physical body because I was somewhere else.
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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
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anything else to be felt.
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I was greeted by people I had known in the past.
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I'm back home again.
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Incredibly safe and felt at home.
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I'd like to welcome everybody to Round Trip Death today and especially to our special
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guest, Analoha to Kathy Forty, who is on the beautiful Islet of Maui.
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Good morning.
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Oh, good morning, Eric.
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Thank you for having me.
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And if you don't mind, I'm going to just mention that you're in the Wailaea area because
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it's, I love that part of the island.
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It's like perfect weather all year around.
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True.
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And not all of Maui is that way.
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There can be a lot of rain and things.
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Yeah, right.
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Upcountry is very rainy.
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It has so many different thermal climbs in Maui in general.
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So yeah, but we're dry down here.
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We're going to be talking about your near-death experience.
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I would love to hear just briefly a little bit about your background because I know you're
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a writer who also had a near-death experience.
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Tell us a little bit about you and about your books.
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Oh, okay.
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Well, I'm working, I think this will be my sixth book now.
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Years ago I wrote metaphysical children's books.
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And then after my near-death experience, I wrote Fractals of God, a psychologist near-death
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experience and journeys into the mystical.
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Yes, I know it's a very long title.
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And you are a PhD, by the way, right?
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That's correct, a clinical psychologist.
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And so I did that basically because so many people were asking because of my technology
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and everything, well, how did this all start?
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So I really thought, oh, this is just for them.
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I didn't think that it would go on and speak to people in many other ways about the very
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metaphysical and spiritual and unusual experiences because I pretty much had unusual experiences
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my entire life.
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So I did that book and then did some software, made some software, invented some software.
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And then the second, I guess the third chapter of my life now, I don't know.
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I started writing sci-fi novels, which everybody says aren't really sci-fi.
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I mean, they're not really fictional.
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They're nonfiction sci-fi.
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And I was able to actually put some of my otherworldly experiences in my sci-fi books.
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And so there's three of them out now, Stacks Library of Truth, Stacks Awakening Truth,
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and Stacks Truth Will Such You Free.
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And now I'm working on the fourth one in the series.
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So Stacks Next Generation Truth.
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I think that's really cool because we have a lot of people on the show who have written,
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who are not authors, but have written a book about their near-death experience.
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You're a sci-fi writer that's taken some of what happened in your experience and then
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put it into these stories.
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And I haven't read them yet, but they sound pretty cool to me.
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If you don't mind, and I'm going to warn our listeners up front.
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If this next part is boring to you, just skip right ahead.
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But because you live in Maui, and this is being recorded early in September of 2023,
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by the way.
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So we are how many weeks after the fires in Lahaina?
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Well, it happened on August 8th.
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So we're almost a month.
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So almost a month.
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But you were living there through all of it.
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I know why Leia is, what, 30 or 40 miles away from there.
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It's about 30 minutes drive to Lahaina.
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But tell us what it's been like for someone living on the island and where were you that
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day?
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Well, as it happens, I didn't sleep well the night before.
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I felt something was in the air.
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And afterwards I talked with a lot of people and they had very restless sleep the night
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before.
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And I was getting this very strange flooding sensation in my head.
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And I know that to be energy, something that's being directed energy and so forth like that.
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But I didn't put two and two together.
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And a friend of mine called me because we were supposed to go up to Kula that day, up
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country.
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And they said, no, you got to turn around because there's fires up in Kula.
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So a friend said, you know, I'm getting a really strong urge to go to Lahaina today.
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And I hadn't had that on my schedule.
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And so I said, OK, I'll go with you.
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And we got stopped right outside Lahaina on the Lahaina bypass.
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The at this spot 1030 in the morning before all the big fires really started.
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But everything was closed.
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The power was down that you couldn't get any internet service.
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Nobody knew what was going on.
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And the wind started coming up and trees were falling down.
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In fact, I had just gotten out of the car and had to find a place to go to the bathroom
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and nothing was open.
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So you know, I went behind a tree and I a few minutes later, I just passed the tree
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and I heard this crash behind me.
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And the whole tree was uprooted and came out and came, you know, fell where I would have
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been minutes earlier.
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That would have been embarrassing.
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Yeah.
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What a lonely soul.
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I shouldn't make light of it.
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So did you so do you didn't see any of the fire you turned around and went back?
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No, the problem was that we couldn't get onto Front Street, no matter what, everything
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was blocked off.
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And this is 1030 a.m. already.
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There had been an earlier fire up in Lahaina, Luna Road by the high school up there.
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And the kids were all told to stay home.
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And so all that's why all the kids were home and nobody was working.
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No stores were open.
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Nothing was open, you know.
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And since we couldn't get on Front Street, which we wanted to go to this particular restaurant
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there was always my favorite cool cats restaurant best thing veggie burgers in town.
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And I said, you know, these feel like hurricane force.
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I've been in a hurricane before, but there's no rain.
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This is very strange.
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And so we thought, you know, with the trees starting to come down and sometimes poles
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were starting to come down, we said, you know, maybe we better go over to Conopolly.
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That was the next town over.
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Maybe they don't have this disconnect with communication, you know, sell and so forth
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like that.
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So we went over there.
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They're all their lights, all their power was out as well.
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And everything was backed up on the highway.
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I said, I said, this is going to take hours to get back home.
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You know, I'm not going to sit in a line there.
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And thankfully my friend knew the back way around the island.
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I had never done it.
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It's it's it's beautiful, but harrowing.
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It's like goes down one lane.
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I've done it.
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It is so scary.
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Yes.
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With heights bother you at all, do not take that route because you're on a one lane and
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it's what a thousand or two thousand foot cliff off the side.
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Yes.
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And, you know, people are going both ways and and people were still already starting
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to escape.
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Now we didn't we didn't know about the fires because like I said, there was a communication
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blackout.
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We couldn't see anything on our phones.
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The internet wasn't working.
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And so I had left Wilea about nine thirty in the morning and I did not get home till
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five thirty.
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That's how long it took to get around the island and home.
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And we still did not know what was going on, except there's a power outage and you've
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got some strong winds.
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And you know, it wasn't until later that day that, you know, all the all everything that
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could go wrong did go wrong.
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And so I started because I, you know, I knew my experience there.
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I kind of knew the timeline of when power was not in and when I didn't see any fires
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and so forth.
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So people started interviewing me as kind of like a first responder.
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A friend of mine is very involved with the hungry heroes, Hawaii, which feeds people.
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They used to feed the homeless and now they're feeding everybody from Lahaina.
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And so we raised over three hundred thousand dollars for that organization, you know, for
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me doing interviews and things like that and talking about it, what I said.
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And I'll tell you straight out, you know, you know, nothing added up that day, nothing
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added up.
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And when I got to Lahaina, I was feeling that flooding sensation again in my head.
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I don't know, people can say, but I know what I know what energy feels like.
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And that's what I was experiencing.
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Of course, you had no way of knowing what was coming.
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Nobody did such a horrible disaster.
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What was it like being there when you got the news?
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Could you see smoke from where you were?
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No, we'd already escaped on the backside of the island, you know, before because the
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real fires didn't start until the afternoon.
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And I, most people started saying around two o'clock or two thirty or something like that.
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And then the wipeout really started four p.m., five p.m. through there.
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And you know, so all those kids are missing.
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And I kind of looked in on, you know, and from a spiritual point of view, what really kind
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of happened because so many are missing.
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So many of them just got incinerated.
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And there was like a mass soul confusion from what I could see because some of those children's
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souls were ready to leave and some weren't and they didn't understand.
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And if anyone understands, when you leave under a trauma, something traumatic happens
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and you die because of the trauma.
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Really the soul is able to gather in energy to into the soul body to reclaim it and take
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it with them.
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And these children weren't able to do it.
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So what I saw, I saw is that what there was legions, legions of what I can only call some
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type of celestial beings that were coming down and helping this migration, this soul migration
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out of there.
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So the island is grieving and it'll continue.
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There's so much sadness here.
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And I can personally say that everyone I know is a dream states at night, you know, you're
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picking up everybody's sadness and sorrow and anger too.
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So it's a little rough.
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You're constantly pretty much having to clear yourself of that.
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Otherwise, you know, you just take it in and you start to feel it.
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It's very profound.
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That must be quite a, that's a good word for it.
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A profound experience.
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I imagine with your background in clinical psychology, you can also be a big help to a
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lot of people there.
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Well I'm going back in tomorrow and with a group grassroots group, not into the, the
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you know, ground zero area where they fenced it all off.
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It's sort of like, oh, you can build a water well there fast.
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And under hungry heroes, Hawaii, they bring food into the area just outside, you know.
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And so we are going to document a lot of people's stories there because they're getting lost,
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you know, and they have, they have to grieve you some, you have to process, you know, and
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sometimes it takes a lot of telling, you know, over and over your story to start to make,
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you know, to assimilate that and store it in a way that, that you can.
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So this is going to go on for quite a while.
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This is not something that, oh yeah, everything will get back to normal right away.
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No, no, no.
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No, this is going to be years and years and years.
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With the hungry heroes, I'm sorry, is that what it was called?
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Hungry heroes, Hawaii.
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Hungry heroes, Hawaii.
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Would that be a good place for people to donate to?
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Oh my gosh, yes.
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In fact, we have people getting off the cruise ships here to volunteer a day in helping make
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in the kitchen, the vegan kitchen.
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So everything is fresh.
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The local growers come in and they give, you know, excess produce and so forth.
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So it's not canned stuff.
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It's fresh food, things like, you know, like vegetable, coconut, curry over rice or things
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like that, you know, and they decorate the little, little carrier things with love and
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little good sayings and so forth like that.
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So yeah, people can go to HHHMAUI.org.
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Okay, we'll put that in the show notes too.
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Well, thank you for all of that, Kathy.
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Let's get back to talking about you now.
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Let's go back a few years ago to when you had a near-death experience.
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Tell us a little bit about what was going on in your life or your health that may have
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led up to this.
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Well this was in 2003 and I was perfectly healthy.
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I had a practice, a therapy practice in Los Angeles at the time and it was my last client
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of the day.
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Interesting enough, it was a Buddhist nun and she had said, oh, she said, tonight is
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the night of the Weesack moon.
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And I said, well, what's a Weesack moon?
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She goes, oh, it's when the veils are very thin between the dimensions and anything can
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happen.
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You know, and I thought, oh, that's interesting.
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You know, and it kind of filed it away and I didn't think much of it.
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But as I'm going out leaving for the day, and I think this was an eight or nine o'clock,
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my last client or something like that, it was late, and I was going out to the parking
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lot to get my car, I felt this kind of whoosh feeling right out of my solar plexus area.
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And with it, I immediately felt like a very strange feeling.
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Like I felt tremendously empty, like all my best friends had left.
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And it felt like I was done with my work here on earth.
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You know, I never had that experience before.
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I didn't know really what to make of it.
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But I was perfectly fine.
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And you know, I went home trying to think about what is this feeling?
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Why do I feel this sudden whoosh and this emptiness and feeling like am I getting ready
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to die?
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Because if I'm getting ready to die, you know, it's, or if I'm not getting ready to die and
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I have to feel like this, this emptiness, this is not going to be good.
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So as I'm analyzing this, and I've got a cup of tea in my hand, and the next thing I
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saw a swirling vortex in my head, and I was sucked into this vortex, horizontal feet first,
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and I could see it was a tunnel and there was light.
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And you know, immediately I thought, Oh, gosh, is this the tunnel everybody's been talking
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about?
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And then the next thought was, did I die?
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What did I die of?
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I wasn't sick, you know?
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All these kind of strange sometimes thoughts go through your head.
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And I realized, well, if I died, there was not much I was going to be able to do about
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it.
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So let's go see what it was all about.
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But before I could go into the light, I was stopped.
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I came to like a screeching alt.
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And it wasn't really a screech, but I came to a halt and abrupt halt and I couldn't go
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into the light and I tried to will myself into it, but it wasn't, I wasn't able to do
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it.
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And I remember at the time thinking, you know, well, this is boring, you know, it's like
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I'm just sitting here waiting for like a bus.
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First you were really curious, seems like.
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Now it's boring.
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I can't go anywhere.
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Now you're bored.
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Yeah.
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Well, that didn't take long.
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It didn't take long.
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You know, you just find a kind of holiday spots kind of go through your head and and and as
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I thought, Oh, this is boring.
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And all of this energy poured into me was like an implosion of energy into my chest area.
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And I got spun back around and sent back through the tunnel the same way very fast.
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And I found myself back in my physical body and my whole left side was paralyzed.
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I couldn't move.
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And I remember knowing at that moment in time, because I heard voices in my head, had saying
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breathe, Kathy, breathe.
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And I knew that for some reason my heart had stopped and whoever these voices were trying
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to get me to breathe back breathe back life into my physical form.
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And of course, you know, there wasn't much I could do.
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There was nobody there with me at the time.
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I spilled my tea all over me.
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And so I just paid attention and they kept saying, relax, relax, everything will be okay.
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And I could feel this kind of cooking it on my left side of my body as if they were connecting
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it back to my physical, you know, the nerves, the muscles, the whatever.
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And as I hearing this clicking in my head while they're doing it, I'm able to feel again
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in my left side.
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But I still had this pressure in my chest.
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And realizing my heart had stopped for some reason, which I still don't know why.
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I remember thinking I'm going to have to go see a cardiologist.
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And the voices said to me, nope, you don't really need to do that.
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Everything's going to be all fine.
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But within 24 hours of coming back from this, this, this experience, I was suddenly obsessed
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with quantum physics.
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I was getting up in the middle of the night, you know, between three and four a.m. with
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all these thoughts going through my head.
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When I go to, I'd go to my practice the next day, I was feeling everybody's emotion, which
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I didn't understand.
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And that was very uncomfortable.
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And so this was going on night after night.
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And I was getting on.
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I was looking at things on that, that all these thoughts going through my head that I really
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never had before and, and, and researching them on the internet.
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And the interesting thing was I was understanding them, which I didn't really have a knowledge
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of some of this stuff.
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Then I heard these voices kind of correcting things as if, well, that's not totally true.
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But that's kind of as far as your understanding, your race's understanding is it right now.
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So this went on night after night, and so I finally contacted a friend of mine who's
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a very gifted, a medical intuitive and a visionary.
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And he'd worked with me on very difficult cases in the past with clients permission.
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And he could look behind the scenes and see what was happening on a soul level with them
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so that I could navigate whatever their issues were in a way that, you know, was easier for
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them.
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That was all I only brought him in when I was really a tough case.
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And he didn't need to know anything about it, just need their name and their permission.
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And so I just said, I called him and I said, would you look and see, you know, behind the
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scenes with me.
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And he took a while and he came back and he said, well, you almost died.
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He said, but all your old guides left.
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And I think that was that whoosh feeling and that emptiness afterwards.
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He says, you will have a whole new set of guides.
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They're very technologically oriented, kind of geeky.
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And I, and my first thought was, what do they want?
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And he said, he said, this was a soul decision.
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He said it was easy, you know, in essence, it was easy, I guess, to make this transition
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with this.
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He said, this new guidance coming into me within the tunnel, which I come to see as an energy
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conversion tunnel, you know, from one dimension to the next.
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But and so he said, they said that you're going to invent something.
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It looks kind of like a medical software or some medical device.
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And I laughed.
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And I said, I don't think so.
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You know, I don't have any experience in that.
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I'm going to pause you here for just a minute because we can, we can talk all about that.
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And I think it's fascinating.
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Let's, let's get to a little bit more detail about this leaving your body though first
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before we talk quantum physics, which I think is fascinating because so many people bring
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it up that have had NDEs, as you know.
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So did you ever find out if there was something medically, did you have a permanent heart
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problem or anything like that?
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Or was this just a one time event?
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No, I didn't find out till years later, you know, what happened.
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And I didn't find out till the COVID years.
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And I got COVID before everybody, about two months before everybody else, you know, because
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I was, I was at a gem show in Tucson, Arizona, and everybody from around the world was there
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and everybody was touching things and I remember thinking, oh, this is a really nasty flu.
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And this was January of 2020.
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So you know, it took a while to get through, but I was fine, you know, but I was wheezing
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a bit.
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So I went, did go to a cardiologist.
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And I didn't tell him about ever having near death experience.
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He goes, he said, I don't know how to explain this.
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He said, he said, but you have some scar tissue around the left side of your heart.
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And he, and I, you know, I asked him, well, what would cause something like that?
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You know, and he goes, you know, a heart attack or cardio infarction or something like that.
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And then I thought back to the near death experience in 2003.
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And this was it.
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I didn't, I didn't know I had some something left over from it, but it never affected me
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physically.
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I mean, it never affected me, you know, my stamina or, or, or athletically or so forth
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like that.
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But there was this, the physical evidence of it that remained hidden all those years.
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So during the experience, you leave your body, you're, we're talking about this tunnel.
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Did you get through to the other end?
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Was your experience in that area the whole time?
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I got as far as the light.
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Okay.
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And I couldn't go into the light.
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I mean, you know, they kind of said, well, you know, it's like you weren't meant to go
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into the light.
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You were only really meant to have an energy exchange, I guess.
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Yeah.
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You know, and my guess is it probably if I'd gone into light, maybe I would have decided
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not to come back.
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Very possibly.
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Were you hearing anything or just learn?
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I mean, you're, you're describing to me things that came to you where they put in your head,
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tell me how this communication happened.
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You mean the voices?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I would actually hear voices.
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I would, I'd actually hear voices in my head, which I'd joke and say, that's not good for
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a psychologist to hear voices.
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Were there a lot of voices?
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What were they like?
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No, no.
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It was like one voice that represented several beings.
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I mean, if that makes sense, but I felt like there were several beings, but it was one
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voice.
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And it was a very reassuring voice.
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I mean, I didn't, they actually got me to calm down because I, you know, I'm thinking to
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myself, I'm paralyzed.
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I can't move my left side of my body, you know, and nobody's here to help me.
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You know, this was in 2003.
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I don't know if I had the cell phone there.
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It's like, I have to go back and think when did cell phones really start?
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So I wasn't able to get to a phone to, to get help, but they pretty much told me it's
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okay.
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Don't worry about it.
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Just relax.
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We'll take care of it.
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We'll talk more about the voices.
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See, now I'm putting you on the couch and you're going to tell me.
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No, really.
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Were you surprised to hear voices?
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Was it a calming thing?
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Oh, gosh.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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But it wasn't, it wasn't alarming except the fact is, well, whose voice is that?
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You know, why, why, why, it didn't sound like my voice.
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I can't necessarily say, I didn't necessarily sound like a male or female voice.
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It was just a voice.
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You know, it just felt like I needed to follow that voice and that voice knew more than I
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did.
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And because there was nobody else there to help me, I just followed it.
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And when I started to hear that clicking in my head as they were reconnecting the left
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side of my body, and I realized that they were, they were doing something that I needed
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to have done and I was just going to trust them.
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The whole thing was, even after the experience, it became a lesson in trust because of some
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of the information they started giving me and so forth that meant I didn't have access
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to.
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Sometimes, sometimes I'd hear the voice in my head.
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Sometimes I would get pictures.
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Sometimes I'd just get downloads of just, you know, just of information that, that I
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didn't seem to have in my own memory banks prior to that.
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So, you know, people always ask, well, what form did it?
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Well, it came in like a few different forms.
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And, but, you know, there was a few times where they definitely gave me a picture.
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They looked inside my memory for something that I could relate to and showed me a picture
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of it.
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During that experience or since then?
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No, since then.
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Since then.
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Tell me about the clicking.
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I don't really get the clicking.
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Were they, were they actually fixing something in your physical body and that was what you
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were hearing?
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That's what I was hearing as they were reconnecting the left side of my body, you know, to, to
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have mobility and feel again because it, I couldn't feel it.
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It was, it felt paralyzed.
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I couldn't move.
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And the clicking in my head was a really weird sensation.
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It was like, I mean, you know, it's, and so I'm not quite sure how they did it because
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I couldn't see.
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I mean, it was on, on an aetheric level, but they were, they, it was like they were performing
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some type of spiritual surgery or something like that.
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That's the only thing I can, I can, you know, get into that, that they knew that I had to
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be put back because I couldn't function the way I was presently.
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And, but I do remember having impressed upon my, my, my mind that your heart had stopped.
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And that's when they, when I was hearing it, originally the voices, the voices originally
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said to me, breathe, Kathy, breathe.
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And that was the first, my first introduction to the voice.
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This is interesting.
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This is a very unusual experience.
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I don't know that I remember having talked to anyone who said they had some kind of spirits
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actually fixing their physical body and they had, and they had some kind of recollection
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or knowing that it was happening.
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That's, that's really interesting.
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Well, I never come across anyone who had that kind of whoosh feeling out of their solar
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plexus either.
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Yeah.
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And then all that, all my old guides had left and I had new ones now, you know, I mean,
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I never read anything like that in literature as well.
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00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,000
I mean, I'm sure somebody out there probably had something like that, but I've never read
473
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,000
it.
474
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,920
I've heard some similar things, but it wasn't some kind of guides leaving.
475
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:58,240
It was that person spirit leaving their body and they either felt or heard or both something
476
00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,920
as they left the body.
477
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:00,920
Yeah.
478
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,760
So I just, I don't know what to make of this.
479
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,080
I think it's interesting and fascinating.
480
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,920
What else can you explain about it?
481
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:12,520
It left a profound sense of emptiness when, when that, it left, you know, that whoosh
482
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,720
feeling as I, you know, was I was going towards my car.
483
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:17,720
Yeah.
484
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,440
It was, it was, it was profoundly a profound sense of emptiness.
485
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:27,080
And you know, I didn't realize that, you know, I had, I was so connected to whatever
486
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:32,640
my guidance was that when they all decided to leave to prepare for, for these new guidance
487
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,400
coming in that it would feel this way.
488
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,320
You know, there's just some things that you just can't read about, you know, you just
489
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:39,680
have to experience them.
490
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:40,680
Sure.
491
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,320
And you may not know the answer to these, but I'm going to ask anyway, why do you think
492
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:45,640
they would leave?
493
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,320
Was there some big change in your life going on?
494
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:55,080
Well, as, as when, when I brought in the medical intuitive and he looked behind the scenes,
495
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,840
he's the one that also confirmed your old guidance left.
496
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,040
They're making room for this new guidance to come in.
497
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,040
Right.
498
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:08,240
And new guidance were these, these kind of nerd guys.
499
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,520
And when we talked previously, you told me more, we didn't even have time to get into
500
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:19,560
this today, but you ended up inventing some things, some software products, that kind
501
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,400
of thing.
502
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,520
But tell me about quantum physics.
503
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:28,280
How does quantum physics fit in this whole spiritual realm of things?
504
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,200
Is there any way you can encapsulate that in a brief statement that's not going to be
505
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,920
clear over my head somewhere?
506
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:41,200
Well, in all I can say is that it, it, it nudges you to think outside the box that, that there's
507
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:47,600
much more about the universe, about spirit, spirits, about the soul that we just don't
508
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,440
all understand.
509
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:54,480
And that they were trying to show me that, that basically we're all unlimited.
510
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:59,040
And we're only limited by our own belief system, which, you know, is kind of good therapy
511
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,680
anyway to, you know, that's like, we always sabotage ourselves.
512
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:08,640
But you know, they were, I wasn't, I was somewhat interested, but not, not in depth interested
513
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:14,080
about this subject matter prior to my experience, because it was very scientific.
514
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,400
And you know, it's sort of like very dry.
515
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,640
And thought, yeah, you know, it's sort of, let's leave that for the sciences.
516
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:26,400
But one thing that they did impress upon me, which I had no idea about was that everything
517
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,840
in the universe has a mathematical signature to it.
518
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,240
Everything is mathematically coded, even our DNA.
519
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,120
And that if we really needed to want to just speak to it in a language it understood, we
520
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,440
have to, we had to use math.
521
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,760
That was the whole thing behind, they wanted me to create something that dealt with the
522
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:49,920
science of fractals that dealt with certain frequencies that dealt with information that
523
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,400
was all mathematically coded.
524
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,360
And you know, I'm thinking to myself, oh my God, you know, this is not what I was
525
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:01,920
signed up for, but it wasn't until I finally said, okay, I fought it for a long time because
526
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,960
I just thought this is not something that I feel confident in doing.
527
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,240
And why didn't you bring it to somebody who was good in math?
528
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,480
Because you know, I'm, I was good in a lot of subjects, but math was not the subject
529
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:14,640
I was good in school.
530
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,960
In fact, I can truthfully say I was a math dummy.
531
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:23,240
You know, when they start bringing in the new math, I was totally lost, you know.
532
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:28,920
And so I didn't really understand that and I thought, you know, is this a cosmic joke?
533
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:33,600
They want to give me some project to do that deals with math.
534
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:38,320
Then I kind of found out later it was because I didn't have any preconceptions about math,
535
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,840
like saying, oh, well, that won't work or this won't work, that I was much more malleable
536
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:47,160
to create something, you know, with just their instructions.
537
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:53,200
So yeah, it was, it used crystal rods, transmission through crystal rods plugged into computers.
538
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:54,200
Signal boxes.
539
00:30:54,200 --> 00:31:00,680
I mean, there was, there was so many aspects to this and it took five years to develop
540
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,080
this and I'm thinking like, this is like insanity.
541
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,160
You know, I understand when people create software.
542
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:13,040
I mean, I, I channeled through everything that they were talking about the algorithms,
543
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,960
the mathematical stuff and so forth, but I had to find somebody who could actually put
544
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,920
it into computer language.
545
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,080
That I was not willing to start learning.
546
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,640
So yeah, it took about five years and I, and it turned out to be the first version was
547
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:32,160
the Trinity eight and then I brought through another software version that's all spiritual
548
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,960
called Ascension 11 a number of years later after that.
549
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:36,960
And it just took off.
550
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,720
I mean, I didn't know if, you know, I thought, I thought, dear God, do not send me out of
551
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,440
fool's mission.
552
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,600
Because I was using all of my inheritance.
553
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:51,800
My father and my parents died shortly after within a year's time after my near death experience
554
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:58,520
and they left me money, which I found out later was one of their acts of it was prearranged
555
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,200
that I would have that available to me.
556
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:06,440
So I just put all of it into developing this because it's sort of like became an Erika
557
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,160
magnificent obsession.
558
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,800
I could not walk away from it.
559
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,040
Yeah, I understand.
560
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,040
Yeah.
561
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,920
So with everything that you've learned about math, quantum physics, all of these things
562
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:21,640
that you're explaining, how does that apply to what is going to happen to me?
563
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,160
And you, after we die?
564
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,480
Well, this is not the end, obviously.
565
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,880
You know, people in this island, even on Maui, you know, they're all afraid.
566
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,880
Are they, you know, is something else going to happen here or COVID?
567
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,200
Are we going to die from this?
568
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,520
Truthfully, one thing that most near death experiencers have in common is that they're
569
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:45,160
not afraid of dying, you know, because it's a very easy transition, you know, it's sort
570
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,560
of like going to sleep.
571
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,160
But you get out of your body, you just don't come back.
572
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:54,360
You're infinite beings, and this is just, you know, it's sort of like Shakespeare strutting
573
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:59,000
and fretting our hour upon the stage here on earth, you know, trying to learn whatever
574
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,280
we can to our soul growth.
575
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,920
I mean, I'm not telling you anything that you haven't heard before, at least in that
576
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:08,920
respect.
577
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,480
But, you know, you realize that we're all connected.
578
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:18,040
You know, we may feel like they may have tried to divide us on every issue you can possibly
579
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,120
think of, but in the end, we are all connected.
580
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,160
Explain what you mean by that.
581
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,400
What does it mean that we are all connected?
582
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,880
Well, there's a little part of Kathy in everybody else.
583
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,440
There were times that I was driving down the road the freeway, and I'd look over the car
584
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,800
next to me and I'd say, that's Kathy.
585
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,560
That's another form of Kathy.
586
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,200
That's, but this one is, looks like she's maybe not be having a good day.
587
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,000
This one's putting on her makeup.
588
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:52,360
This one's kind of ticked off, but that we were all connected on a soul level.
589
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:58,720
So yeah, it was sort of like that, you know, after a while, there was like no boundaries,
590
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,760
you know, spiritual boundaries between people.
591
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,200
And I had more of those feelings when after my near-death experience when it was more
592
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,200
fresher.
593
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,600
I mean, now, you know, we kind of put down our every day we have filters we put in place
594
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,400
because we need to get things done.
595
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:20,200
But you know, there are times when I'm just, you know, I feel we've forgotten, we've forgotten
596
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:21,480
that we're all connected.
597
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:22,480
Yeah, absolutely.
598
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,160
Okay, here's a big question for your opinion.
599
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,920
How does the concept of God fit into all of this?
600
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,040
People call God different things, source, creator.
601
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,120
I mean, doesn't really matter, you know, it's where we all came from.
602
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,320
And we were all just energy until we broke into matter and form.
603
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:48,160
And some of us got lost in our creativity in the dimensions and got kind of stuck into
604
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:54,160
matter and some souls from what I've seen had to kind of come down and help in that
605
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,160
stuckness.
606
00:34:55,160 --> 00:35:00,840
But, you know, we're kind of all in a different state of development.
607
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,000
Some may be, you know, moving a little faster along, but that doesn't mean that there's
608
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,040
anything better about them.
609
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,640
It's just that we're all in a different state, you know, and bringing that back to source.
610
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,520
I think the whole thing is, you know, I see that we're all going through working through
611
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:21,680
the dimensional levels before going back to our energy source.
612
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,000
So yeah, I just look at it as energy.
613
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:29,720
It's all about energy, maybe math too, but you're still trying not to admit the whole
614
00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:30,720
math part.
615
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:31,720
I get it.
616
00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:33,760
I completely get it.
617
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:34,760
Okay.
618
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,000
I mean, I see it because everything is binary code.
619
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,000
All our computers are zeros and ones, all of that, you know.
620
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:48,040
And, you know, when they try to contact and leave time capsules for people in space or
621
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:54,200
other civilizations defined in the future, they always code it in math and binary code,
622
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,800
you know, because that's the universal language.
623
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:04,080
It doesn't matter what if they speak, you know, octorian or whatever, they will understand
624
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,080
math.
625
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,200
And that's a hard thing to picture.
626
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:09,200
Okay.
627
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:16,200
So I'm looking at you right now and I see this beautiful picture behind you of galaxies
628
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,400
and there's all this color.
629
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:25,040
It seems like so much more than just ones and zeros, you know, because it's so beautiful.
630
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,040
It is.
631
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:31,520
I mean, there is beauty, but there's numbers even in colors, you know.
632
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:36,800
They're on the frequency scale too, that they resonate at a certain frequency as well, and
633
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,400
those all have numerical connotations.
634
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,000
All right.
635
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:46,320
Let's wrap up here with leaving some kind of a good message for all of our listeners.
636
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:51,560
It's a tough world out there right now and especially in a place like Maui.
637
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:56,360
What's your message of hope that comes from all these things that you've learned?
638
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,240
Don't give in to fear.
639
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:00,320
Fear is a great destroyer.
640
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:07,200
And they were like nothing better to cut you off from your true soul's growth by the
641
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,320
fear.
642
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,080
So there's really nothing to fear.
643
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,800
You know, sometimes it's best to kind of watch you become the observer.
644
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,880
I mean, I do get involved when I, you know, sort of like with the hungry heroes, Hawaii
645
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:22,480
and things like that and saying what I feel, but you know, I don't get sucked into that
646
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:23,800
fear.
647
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,120
And I'm sure that's as a result of my dear death experience because what do people fear?
648
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,800
Not being loved, fear being rejected and biggest fear of all dying, you know, once
649
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:38,040
you remove that, you know, the rest of it doesn't seem very important.
650
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,640
So how do people do that?
651
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,600
Because that sounds wonderful and it sounds easy when you put it like that.
652
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:48,400
But if somebody's struggling, removing some of that fear, how do they do it?
653
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:49,400
Switch gears.
654
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:54,240
Switch gears into, even as a therapist, you know, what is working for you?
655
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:55,680
What gives you joy?
656
00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:00,720
God do more of that because then you don't pay so much attention to the negativity or
657
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:02,000
the fear.
658
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,000
Switch gears.
659
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,840
Don't get sucked into thinking about it and analyzing.
660
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:11,800
Go out there and do something that feeds your soul and feeds your creativity.
661
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,080
I do that with my books.
662
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,520
That was how I escaped COVID.
663
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:21,560
You know, I wrote, I created my own world and it was a productive world.
664
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,360
I mean, I really liked these books.
665
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:28,760
I mean, if I could, I would get right into that world and stay there.
666
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,120
And so I fed my soul my creativity.
667
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,880
And so people find their creativity in many different forms.
668
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,800
But you know, I could leave total fear of the rest of the world behind because, you
669
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,880
know, you feel you're going to absorb some of that being around very fearful people.
670
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,200
But you know, I didn't.
671
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,720
Maybe there's not a cut and dried answer for that.
672
00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:54,560
We all find our way, but do something that makes you feel good.
673
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:55,560
Remember that.
674
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,000
You know, sometimes even as a therapist, I would find people when they were depressed,
675
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,080
it was stopped doing the very things they love, listening to music, you know, going
676
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,520
out, you know, whatever.
677
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:06,720
And of course they feel more depressed.
678
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:09,960
The minute you start getting them to do the things that made them feel good, you suddenly
679
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,520
start realizing they were paying more attention to their hair.
680
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:18,040
They were putting makeup on, you know, and it was, it was bringing them out of that
681
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,040
state.
682
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:24,760
And I think something like death and the fear of death, when people understand it more like
683
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:29,760
you do, especially people that have been through these near death experiences, they understand
684
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,280
it better than most of us by far.
685
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,400
And they realize that there, it isn't really the end.
686
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:42,320
It isn't just, okay, blackness, you cease to exist forever period.
687
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:48,160
I think once people understand that, then much of the fear can go away.
688
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:49,640
It's like going to sleep every night.
689
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,040
Every night we die by going to sleep.
690
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,040
It's the same thing.
691
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:57,360
You know, we lose consciousness and we, you know, go to another place.
692
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,480
The only difference is we don't get back into our bodies.
693
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,880
So it's as simple as that.
694
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:03,880
Okay.
695
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:04,880
Appreciate it, Kathy.
696
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,800
Keep up the good work over there on Maui.
697
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:07,800
Yeah.
698
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:08,800
Thank you.
699
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:09,800
Thank you.
700
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:10,800
Prayers for Maui.
701
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:11,800
Thank you very much.
702
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:12,800
We appreciate it.
703
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:13,800
Prayers for Maui.
704
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:18,480
Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast.
705
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,520
If you've had a round trip death experience, we would love to hear from you.
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Send an email to Eric at roundtriptest.com.
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Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.
