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From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.
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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.
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And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my
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physical body because I was somewhere else.
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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
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anything else to be felt.
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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.
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I'm back home again.
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Incredibly safe and felt at home.
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Welcome to Round Trip Death and I'd love to welcome our special guest, Gina Schaefer.
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Good morning, Gina.
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Good morning. How are you doing this morning?
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I'm great. How are you?
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I'm great. It's a little bit later for you, so I know it's for me, so I know it's really
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early for you, so glad that you're willing to get up so early.
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Well, why don't you tell everybody where you live?
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I live in La Porte, Texas, which is about a stone's throw from Galveston, Texas, you
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know, Hurricane Alley.
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It's between Galveston and Houston, Texas.
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And what do you do for a living?
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I teach for a paycheck, but I write a lot of books.
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Okay.
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And we'll talk about your books later on.
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Okay.
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They are very unusual.
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And your story is also very unusual.
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I'm going to give a heads up to our listeners and as a way of thanking you again of the
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many, many, many interviews that we have done for this show.
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Yours was the first one that we had some audio problems with, and you just didn't sound your
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best because of it.
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So we wanted to re-record here so that you can sound good and everybody can listen to
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you without weird noises going on or anything.
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So thank you for coming back and spending another hour with us again.
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Don't worry.
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I enjoy talking with you.
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Well, thank you.
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Tell me a little bit about your teaching and what got you into teaching.
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Actually my husband got me into teaching.
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I worked as a social worker for many years.
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I did the, you know, advocacy for domestic violence and sexual assault.
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We'd go to court whenever a call would come into the hospital.
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I'd be one of the ones that they would go down there and I would handle the case, see
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them through the entire process.
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It was a really interesting and it was a wonderful career, a real good feel good career.
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However, after I had my son, it became apparent that I needed to do something else because
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I would be called at all hours of the day and night.
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And so my husband talked me into teaching and I'm actually pretty good at it.
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Well, according to the principles, or I have them really well convinced that I'm good at
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it.
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What do you teach?
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I teach the advanced academics for AP Semestars seminar.
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It's a capstone class.
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So babies that go through this class, they actually are able to earn college credit even
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though they're only about 15, 16 years old.
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That sounds great.
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Well, and, and I know you lost your husband not too long ago and our sympathies and condolences
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with that.
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Thank you.
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So let's talk about your near-death experience.
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That's what everybody is here for.
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They want to listen and learn and we're going to go back about 15 years.
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And tell us what was going on with you that led up to this.
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I actually believe it or not I've had to, but the one where that was very, that was
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about 15 years ago, I was hemorrhaging, hemorrhaging and I, um, losing a whole bunch of blood, more
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blood than you can even imagine.
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And I remember vaguely my husband coming into the room trying to get me dressed and an ambulance
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coming.
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I do not remember the ambulance ride.
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I barely remember the hospital, but what I remember the most was not being in my body
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at some point in between arriving at the hospital and looking up at my husband who was crying.
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He was being informed that they, you know, they were trying to revive me.
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I looked, I barely, you know, I looked down and then I saw myself being lifted up and
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I heard beautiful, beautiful angel-like music, very high pitch, but it didn't hurt my ears.
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I, um, it was like walking into bubbles of air, dust, and pinks and purples.
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Um, there were some shadows.
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There's a few people that I recognize, but I remember feeling this incredible warmth and
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this incredible love and, and the brightness that I just, it's something that I almost,
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I would love to go back to that it, it was just so extreme.
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I didn't know at that point when I was being lifted.
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I didn't know what was happening around once that I had, I guess, ascended.
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I did speak to a medium one time who actually was trying to figure out what was going on.
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And he was, she was the one, she was like, you went all the way up to the fifth rail.
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And she asked me if I had special gifts, which it was kind of obvious because I was surrounded
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by what she could tell seemed to be loving spirits.
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And that's actually what led me into paranormal investigation because she is, okay, you've
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got some talents.
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This is going to be very, very extreme because it's going to have a long lasting effect.
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And that's how I got in touch with a paranormal team.
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And I still occasionally do paranormal investigations.
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It also has led me into doing a lot of writing and being extremely just sensitive and, um,
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it's caring.
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And it's definitely an experience I would want to go through again, oddly enough.
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Okay.
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Let's take a breath.
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You just covered a lot really fast.
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Is the first thing you remember looking down on your body?
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I remember looking down on my body, but my focus was not on my body.
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My focus was on the doctors and my husband.
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And what were you feeling for them or from them?
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I could feel my husband's fear and anxiety.
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I could feel empathy, but I was being lifted away like almost immediately.
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It was very, it seemed like a long period of time, but it really wasn't because I wasn't
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hovering over them for very long.
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I was taken up pretty quickly.
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I know they say, well, sometimes you wonder around and I even think my husband did for
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a while after he, um, when he died, but I was lifted up pretty quickly into the air, into
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the air dozen bubbles that I had described.
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Okay.
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I wonder why that's different for some people and others.
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Cause yeah, I've had some people on this show that say, yeah, I was up in the corner of
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the hospital room and I watched them doing this ABCDE before something else happened.
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And I don't know.
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Sometimes I just wonder why these are all a little different.
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I think I, from what I know and from my understanding, some people ascend quicker than others.
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I know that it was very sick and I know that I was anxious to leave, um, which I'm not
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exactly sure why.
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Cause I had, I had, my child was only four years old at the time, but I know that some
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people hang around.
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Some people don't let go as quickly for whatever reason I was letting go more quickly, you
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know, as far as, like I said, I saw briefly, you know, what was going on, but I wasn't
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hanging around.
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I wasn't looking at a corner.
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I know that they were trying to revive me.
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I know that they were pumping in more blood into me cause I, you know, my blood was being
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drained from my body.
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It was like it was, they were trying to put it in and it was coming out as quickly.
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However, with me, it was like almost just like I was, had tunnel vision.
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Like I just feel myself being lifted up and before I could even say or do anything, I
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was in like this cloud like, um, cloud like existence.
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You mentioned the beautiful music.
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Yes.
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Is there any way you can describe that more?
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Angelic.
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I've only heard it one other time and that's actually when I was doing a paranormal investigation.
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And I always, whenever I go into any type of investigation whatsoever, I pray, you know,
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I asked for God's protections.
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I asked for the angels protections.
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And I remember one time because we were recording the prayer and there, the voices came through
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that said, we are here.
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And it was almost musical.
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That is the only other time that I've heard it, but it was very high pitched, choir like
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almost like there was bells within the music.
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But it was definitely, it was some, even though it was kind of inaudible, it was just these
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beautiful voices almost like they were greeting me up.
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I'm trying to picture that.
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I wish you could say, oh, well, you know, Beethoven's 13th or whatever sounded similar,
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but I, because I don't have a reference for that.
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There is no reference.
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It was, it was just this very welcoming almost like when I was being lifted up, it was like
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almost something was just opening up.
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I did see the bright lights, but I still was more surrounded in these lavender and purples
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and pinks.
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And I just felt myself being drawn wanting to go closer and closer to it.
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It what got me was it was very high pitched.
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I do not like high pitch noises at all.
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And yet it did not hurt my ears.
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I felt no pain.
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I just felt love and I felt very light.
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And I liked that too, because I've had some people tell me that a similar thing to what
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you're saying with ears, they had experience with their eyes where the light was so bright,
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yet it didn't hurt their eyes at all.
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They were able to look right into it.
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It wasn't like looking at the sun.
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Yes.
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I was able to look right into the bright lights, did not, and it didn't hurt my eyes were wide
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open, but I still, I didn't get close enough.
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I was going closer towards the bright lights again, because that's where the music was
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coming from, but I just didn't make it all the way through.
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I think that God had a different plan for me.
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Tell me more about the bright lights.
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Was this one or was this a whole bunch of them?
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It felt like one.
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I'm not saying that it wasn't a whole bunch of them, but if it was a whole bunch of them,
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they were collaged together because it seemed just like one big and it wasn't even like
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a spotlight.
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It was just huge.
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It was just like it was opening up.
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I could see it through the distance.
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Okay.
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Again, I'm trying to envision all of this.
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It's fascinating.
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Okay.
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Tell me about the warmth and love now.
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The warmth and love, there was, I tend to have a lot of anxiety.
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Like I would feel the stress in my shoulders.
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All of that was gone.
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I felt acceptance.
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Like I was wanted there.
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I just, this, you know, I, and I've gone into haunted places where I've like felt depression
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or you know, when you're, you have anxiety or you're hurting or you're scared, you get
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that feeling on your chest.
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There was none of that there.
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It was as if, you know, I was just being enclosed.
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When I was walking through these bubbles, I was being enclosed and it felt like, even
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though I couldn't really distinguish the faces of everybody, I felt like they were all just
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wanting me there.
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They loved me.
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They were excited that I was there and yet they sent me back.
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Speaking of that, tell us what happened next along this journey.
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I was going, when I went through the journey, I was, and it was, it actually kind of happened
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at an interesting time because when I had been lifted up, it was right before midnight
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and I didn't come back until after midnight.
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So I still say that I have two birthdays because I wasn't revived until technically the next
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day.
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However, I don't remember anything where I was like sucked back into my body or something
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that was just dramatic.
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I just, I remember hearing a very light distinct voice.
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You have something else to do.
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And I woke up and when I woke up, I was freezing cold because I was in the hospital room.
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They were covering me with blankets.
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They said I had fever.
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They had ice packs on me trying to get my fever down and they were still putting blood
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in me, but I had somehow I had come back.
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You remember anything else?
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No, but I have, I have dreamed about it recently, which I think was, it has been, I think it
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was triggered by my husband's death because I know that the night that my husband died,
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he died in the morning was our anniversary.
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I cried all day long.
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I mean, my face was hurt, you know, because he died here at the house and it was just
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so traumatic.
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And I cried so much that my face literally hurt.
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I did not fall asleep until the wee hours of the morning.
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And then I had a dream and my husband, but he was more clear than I could even see myself.
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So I knew that he ascended further and he had, he was kind of like he was stomping in
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the clouds.
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He was looking a little bit confused and it was like he was reaching out to me.
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But what was interesting is he was in his younger self.
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He was dressed the way that I seen him when I first met him.
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You know, I'd been with him for 30 years.
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He was completely in his prime.
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And it was just 30 year old self and not his 61 year old self that had died.
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And so that was the only time that I felt like I was, I kind of experienced it with him,
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except for him, it was much more clear.
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I could see him much more clearly than what I could see, what was around me.
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I feel like there was a message being sent that's, you know, saying that, you know, I'm
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here, I'm safe.
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Three days before he died, his mother-in-law came and visited me in a dream.
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And we, but we were in a different place.
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We were in a plantation house and because she wanted to have lunch there.
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And she kept telling me how incredibly happy she was how this was just the best place you
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can be.
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You could just close your eyes and you could just imagine any place you want to be.
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And I was like, well, why are we here?
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And she goes, well, I know you love old plantation houses and we're having lunch here.
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And it was like croissants and things, but she just kept saying, don't worry, it is so
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wonderful here.
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So I felt like that was a message from beyond.
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Of course, I'm still upset that he's gone.
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I'm still crying that he's gone.
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But again, I know that he was accepted with warmth and love.
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I, you know, it's, it's proof to me, heaven is real.
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Now when I saw him though, I didn't see the bright, I didn't see the bright light.
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And I think that's only for those that are experiencing it at the moment.
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And there is no Hollywood movie that can recreate this scene no matter how hard.
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And I tried in one of my books, but there's really no Hollywood scene that could create
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the scene or love.
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So there's a term for, I don't know the exact definition, but when we are around someone
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when they pass and we have some kind of shared experience, spiritual experience with them,
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it's known as a shared death experience.
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There's NDEs and STEs and this would be an SDE.
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We have to be careful how we say that.
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And so that's, hey, that's cool that you got to have an experience like that as well.
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I'm sure it didn't help the grief of how much you miss him, but it, did it help with, you
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know, feeling comforted that he was happy and everything?
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It made me have comfort that he didn't have pain because he was suffering from heart issues.
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And so, I mean, he was just seeing him in his younger self where he was healthy and strong.
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That did make me feel better, you know, knowing that, that he was, and then also because I
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could feel him around the house and certain things would happen.
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And so knowing that he did ascend into heaven, that did give me a lot of comfort.
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Do you think everybody becomes their younger self?
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I believe that the people come go within their prime of life.
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And when I met him, that was his prime.
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And so I know when I saw my mother-in-law in her dreams, she did definitely look younger.
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It was definitely self, but she looked a little bit older, looked about.
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So I feel like that, you know, when you're prime in your life, it's different for different people.
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And it's when they're at their very best, whether, you know, it's health-wise, when
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they're at their happiest.
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And so I do believe, I believe that when I die, I'll probably be in my, you know, mid-30s
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early, you know, early 40s, when I was at my healthiest in the prime of my life.
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You mentioned that you went, believe you went to the fifth realm.
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What do you mean by that?
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Explain the fifth realm.
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Well, there are different realms that you go when you die, when you first lose consciousness,
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you do hang around for a while, and a lot of people do, which explains people who are
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telling you, yes, they are, they're telling you the truth.
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They, yeah, they're looking at themselves, you know, from the corner of the room.
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They can see what's going on.
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Some of them, they can walk around and almost, you know, they can actually see the grief,
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they can see their families.
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They just don't necessarily understand.
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But then you just, you slowly lift up into these different realms where you have, you're
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drifting away.
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And from what it was explained to me is that for some reason I was zapped all the way up
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to the fifth and there's seven realms.
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And I think because what was happening was progressing so quickly and part of it was
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my fault because I knew that I needed help and I laid to bed and said, I'm going to take
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a vitamin and I'm going to be fine.
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And clearly that was not the case.
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So I was already so far gone by the time they got me to the hospital.
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I think that's why I lifted up quicker than some other people because I have talked to
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people that have said, yes, that they've walked around.
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They haven't, you know, they haven't been able to go up further.
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And then I've met people that have been in my situation.
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I've never met anybody who actually entered exactly through the gates of heaven.
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But I do believe that those bright lights that I saw, that really bright light that
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I saw through the, the, the air-decent bubbles, I believe that was heaven's light.
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Explain the air-decent bubbles.
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It was almost, when I was walking through, I don't know if it's bubbles or clouds, bubbles
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felt more sensible to me, but I was, I was walking through and trying to kind of weave
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my way and head towards the light.
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I just felt the, these pinks and purples that were around me, there probably were spirits
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of loved ones of, you know, ones that I have passed, maybe even spirit guides that were
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guiding me along the way because I did feel the love from that.
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Like I said, they were like pinks and like purples.
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And supposedly I'm not the only one that has talked about different colors in different
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realms, but those were the only colors that I actually saw besides the bright light.
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And again, you talked about the love and the warmth.
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Can you explain that further?
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How is love related to warps anyway?
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And have you felt anything like that here in this life?
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Not here in this life.
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I've never felt that, however, except, you know, I always felt extremely loved by my
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husband.
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And I guess maybe the closest thing would be was when I was in his arms.
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But when I say like the warmth, it was the release of all stresses, of all pressures
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of the world, the world part that I don't like that exists today is all left behind.
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It's all forgotten.
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You are there.
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They're wanting you to be a part of it.
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They're either greeting you, trying, you know, having you come forward.
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Okay.
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Is there anything else you want to tell us about this experience?
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And then I want to ask you about, you mentioned one other near death experience.
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So before we move on to that, anything we left out?
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Heaven is real.
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If anybody does not believe in heaven, it is real.
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It is very real.
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Jesus is there.
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Angels are there to greet you.
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You know, any non-believers, there is absolutely no question in my mind.
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Okay, because you've been there and you experienced it yourself.
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I've been there.
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Now the first time was actually when I was giving birth to my son.
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And that was four years prior.
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And I had pancreatitis.
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And so they had to do an emergency cease section and they lost me briefly.
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However, that time I didn't leave the hospital.
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But what was interesting, they did say that I lost, but it was only for a few minutes.
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I do remember seeing my husband crying and my mother in law crying.
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But Father Joe, who was a priest that I knew as a child, that died as a child, he was with
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me.
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And there was this nurse that was there.
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And she was the only one that was talking to me.
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And I remember her very clearly because she had a very distinct look.
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She had a very round face and she appeared to be part Indian.
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Her hair was pulled back.
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She was kind of wearing an old fashioned nurse type of outfit.
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And she kept telling me, my baby is fine and that I'm going to be fine and I need to hang
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on.
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And Joe just, he's like, I'm just here to visit you.
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When I woke up from that, nobody acknowledged seeing that nurse, seeing that nurse because
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I asked for her because she told me her name was Grace.
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And so I asked for Grace when I did wake up because I knew Father Joe, I just thought
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he was an illusion and they told me what had happened.
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And then there was one nurse who was an older nurse.
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She says, you are not the only person that has asked for Grace.
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And she goes, Grace doesn't exist.
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And she never has existed.
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But she said that there was, she said there was like two other patients that she knew
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that asked for this lady, Grace.
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Anyways, when I had the last one where it was like, I really, it was like, yeah, I was
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really knocking on Heaven's gate.
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My, she's a good friend of mine.
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She's a psychic.
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I need you to talk to this paranormal investigator because you're seeing things that other people
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can't see.
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But, and she goes, I just want you to know they're real.
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So I go and I meet him and then I meet his wife and God bless her.
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So she died a few years ago, but she was in the same hospital and she met the same nurse.
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And this nurse, she had very, very dark eyes.
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They were very round eyes, a very round face.
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She described the hair.
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She described the outfit.
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It was as if she had the same exact experience.
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And so my belief is that she is a spirit in the hospital and that she, because she likes
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really hanging and she loves to hang out with that baby ward.
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So I found it interesting that somebody else, you know, meeting somebody else, because one,
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it was kind of solidified my experience and didn't make me think I was going completely
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crazy.
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But it also, it was helpful for her too, because every time she would go to this clearly hospital,
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she's like, who knows, Grace?
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People don't know Grace, but people have talked to her and experienced her.
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That time though, I don't feel like I just think I was stayed in the room and she just
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happened to be there and she was with me.
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I have been trying to find out who she is when I did kind of bump into her and I saw
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her looking at the nursery all, and I looked at her and she recognized me and I was like,
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where are you from?
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And she said war.
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Now, the area that I live in, battleground estates, the war of the battle of San Jacinto
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actually happened here.
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And so there were some civil wars in this area.
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So my thought process, and because I can tell that she definitely has some Indian blood,
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is that she may have been from a battleground or something, perhaps that she was helping
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there and maybe that's why nobody has any access to her.
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So I have gone through records because even though most of my books, with the exception
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of Piper's Prince, where it's a loosely based opatory story, I do do a lot of research and
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about different people that actually existed.
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And so I have been trying to find out who Grace is, especially since I'm not the only
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person that has experienced her.
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And when people have taught, because the first thing I'll do is I'll explain to her and they'll
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tell me certain details that I have never released.
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And I'm like, okay, this is her.
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I have a feeling she is with all those babies that are born there.
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I think so too.
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And she's there to protect the mothers.
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And I do know that when I have gone back to that hospital and my husband was sick and
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things, I would go and I would actually, I would even wonder up to the baby ward because
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I would look for her.
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And sometimes I would see other people, but I would look for her.
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And what I kind of bothered me though was when I had my near death experience both times,
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now Joe was there, but I don't recall anybody coming for me.
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When my husband had his first heart attack and we went to that same hospital, I did see
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a man that was walking by.
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And I looked at him and I was, I just, he captured my attention.
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You know, he goes, oh, don't mind me.
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I'm just here for pickup.
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And Gary had turned to me.
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He goes, what's going on?
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And I said, somebody's, somebody's about to die.
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And he was like, what?
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I was like, yeah, her husband's here.
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And just within seconds code blew and it was in the next room.
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And he was like, that really creeps me out when you do that.
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But somebody came from him and having that dream and making these connections, I really
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believe that my mother-in-law and my father-in-law was with my husband when he passed, you know,
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trying to guide him.
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And with me, I felt like it was different because I didn't, I didn't have anybody that
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second time.
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And then, you know, that first time it was just an old friend that was just like, you
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know, I'm just here to check in on you.
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Well, and maybe that's because you were only going temporarily.
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I was only going temporarily.
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And I think he wanted to say hi.
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I really do.
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I think he just wanted to say hi because I do believe loved ones do check in on you.
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But I think that grace, I, and to me, I mean, some people would call her a ghost or spirit.
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To me, she's an angel because she was like, you're going to be okay.
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I'm checking in on your baby and, you know, your husband's out there and they're doing
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everything they can.
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You just need to hang on, you know, and then she was gone.
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And other people have described her and seen her.
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So I think you're right.
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I think she's in there.
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I think she loves those babies.
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I think she was probably really a nurse.
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I don't know if at that particular hospital, but perhaps on maybe on that land.
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And that's what she likes to do.
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Maybe that's her version of heaven is being with those babies.
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Wouldn't that be fun if you could actually do some research and like get a list of patients
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that have been there that have had some kind of experience like you did and just ask them,
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did you, you know, is there anybody you remember from this?
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There's, because there's probably a whole bunch of them.
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It sounds like that's really cool.
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I bet there is because it was really, it was really cool meeting somebody that had actually
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seen her and talked to her.
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00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,800
And in fact, every time when I'd go, me and Rich would be on an investigation or something.
467
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:28,800
She would come along too.
468
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,320
And she had health issues as well, but we would always ask her, it's like, you know,
469
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,200
you think Grace is around, you know, you've seen her lately when my husband started to
470
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:37,200
get sick.
471
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,560
And it's like, well, did you see Grace?
472
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,240
If you see Grace say hi to her.
473
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,520
And you know, I mean, other, you know, not everybody seen her, but I mean, there was
474
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,880
that nurse and she's been, it looked like she'd been there a while, but I wanted to know who
475
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:50,880
else has seen her.
476
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,640
But of course she couldn't give me patients names.
477
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,680
But I mean, I was thought about doing like a Facebook page.
478
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:57,680
Who knows Grace?
479
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:58,680
That'd be fun.
480
00:28:58,680 --> 00:28:59,680
Yeah.
481
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:06,480
I think if I could get somebody, because she has such a distinct look about her that there's
482
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,560
no way anybody can confuse her.
483
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,760
It'd also be interesting if there were a way to go back through the personnel records of
484
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,240
that hospital and see if a Grace ever worked there.
485
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:21,320
And it was a very new hospital, but that doesn't mean that there wasn't a hospitals around
486
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,840
there and there are some hospitals that are around there.
487
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,120
So I mean, she could generate from the land and she could have just found herself there
488
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,000
and decided she's going to stay.
489
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,000
Yeah.
490
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,840
Or someone that had been a nurse that died there or something like that.
491
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:33,840
Exactly.
492
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:39,120
Okay, how have these incredible experiences affected your life moving forward?
493
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:44,560
Well, I'm a writer and I've always been a writer, but I write paranormal, of course,
494
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,520
paranormal in supernatural books.
495
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:52,640
I have gotten into doing, of course, very spiritual, I think.
496
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:57,120
And you know, you could argue that I'm more religious, but I would also say just very
497
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,840
spiritual or more open-minded.
498
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:04,920
I incorporate a lot of my experiences and I realize that a lot of my experiences are
499
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,760
real and that I can prove them.
500
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:14,880
Interesting enough is I would go visit and I do investigations out of all my friends
501
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,080
that are the people that I work with.
502
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,520
I'm the one that gets the clear pictures.
503
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,520
I mean, I've even had ghosts like say, hey, take a picture of me.
504
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:22,520
I'm right here.
505
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,040
We were at this one place.
506
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:28,240
My husband was with me and he saw me and he saw me kind of looking at me.
507
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,240
He goes, what are you doing?
508
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,560
I was like, there's this kid here.
509
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:31,560
He's funny.
510
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:32,560
He's like, what?
511
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,760
And so, and the kid was like, so I took a picture of him and I showed him to my husband.
512
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,520
My husband just kind of, he looks at, he just kind of looks at the direction.
513
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,240
He's like, nice to meet you.
514
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,240
And just kind of fucks off.
515
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:50,520
That I feel like in a way, I, you know, I always had experiences as a child and I've
516
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,560
always been able to explain things and describe people that I wouldn't have any knowledge
517
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:55,560
of.
518
00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:02,120
I've never met my parents, but I feel like that after these experiences, it has become
519
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,080
more insightful, more aware.
520
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:09,360
And it has also made me want to be a better person.
521
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:15,640
It makes me want, when I write my books, there's a lot of good and evil, but evil or, you know,
522
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:20,080
evil is always, you know, there's always that battle and good always wins.
523
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,960
And I've even had people, you know, even one producer that says, I don't want to know
524
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,040
what to do with this because I want to sell it as a thriller, but it's almost a religious
525
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,040
book.
526
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:35,160
And I would argue and say, you have to have, you can't fight, you have to have good to
527
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,160
fight evil.
528
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,600
You know, you have to have the holy to fight the demons.
529
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,520
So I feel like that that has inspired me.
530
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,200
And I, when I go back and reread, because sometimes I sit and write and I have no idea
531
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:51,840
what's spewing out of my mouth or as I'm writing until it comes down, I realized that I've created
532
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:57,840
some really beautiful messages within those pages that my, I've had readers that will
533
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,080
contact me through my website, through my Instagram, through, you know, Facebook saying,
534
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,800
Hey, I read this book and this was really introspective.
535
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:06,920
This really made me think of this.
536
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,400
This really made me think of that.
537
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,960
And some of my books, you know, they're scary because that's what I write.
538
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:12,960
I write horror.
539
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:18,920
And I know, especially Sharon's last call, I had people, strangers, even one guy from
540
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:24,840
Australia, you know, saying, Hey, you know, this, this made me want to be a better person.
541
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,680
I can relate to this character.
542
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:33,320
I can, you know, I am this person, even with Tinney Hall, you know, I've had, you know,
543
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,800
a woman that came and approached me.
544
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:40,080
She was like, this, this book caused me to want to go ahead and go to a battered women's
545
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,520
shelter and get some help because I am this character.
546
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:48,880
And I feel like that those messages, I always had it in me, but I feel like the, the, the
547
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:55,160
experiences had made me want to fight more to get that message out there, that there's
548
00:32:55,160 --> 00:33:00,000
good out there, that there's love out there, that there is a God, that there is heaven
549
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,880
and that there is a place for all of us.
550
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:08,000
This show is not about paranormal investigation, but I have to ask you a couple of questions.
551
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,940
And I'm sure some people listening believe in them.
552
00:33:10,940 --> 00:33:11,940
Some people don't.
553
00:33:11,940 --> 00:33:13,480
That doesn't matter.
554
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:18,240
Tell me about what is a paranormal investigation and what are you trying to do or prove or
555
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,240
learn?
556
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:24,680
A lot of times it is somebody's having disturbances in their homes and there are people that
557
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,360
drop in, that they're, you know, that, especially they have the dreams, you know, where loved
558
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:30,680
ones will visit.
559
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,880
But also sometimes, you know, and this may sound like the ugly side of it, but sometimes
560
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:42,840
we have to debunk it because sometimes what somebody thinks is a ghost is a rattling pipe
561
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,400
or a creaking floor.
562
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,000
I mean, old houses settle.
563
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:54,280
And so when we go in, of course we listen and we interview, but we also go through and
564
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:55,440
we do our own investigations.
565
00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:01,320
Of course we try to do EVPs, but I know sometimes like when I'm working with one person, they'll
566
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,160
say, okay, walk through the house and see if you feel anything.
567
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,360
And sometimes I don't.
568
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,800
A lot of times I don't.
569
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,520
Sometimes I do, but a lot of times I don't.
570
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:16,040
And my explanation is that doesn't mean that there's not something here.
571
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,520
It's just, it's not making itself aware to me.
572
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,520
And that's, you know, it's just not, I'm just not feeling that feeling it.
573
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:30,000
But there are times when we have gone into homes where there are a lot of times, oh,
574
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,000
it's a demonic experience.
575
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,000
It's a demonic.
576
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,720
As long as I've, the entire time that I've been doing this, I've only had one situation
577
00:34:37,720 --> 00:34:42,360
where it was something that was really felt like there was something evil in the house.
578
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:48,160
Really it's just somebody visiting, it's loved ones or somebody that lived in the house that
579
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,600
actually means absolutely no harm in the house.
580
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,480
I've even gotten an EVP is like, is there anything you want to tell the people that
581
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:56,640
are living in this house?
582
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,120
Yeah, clean the house up.
583
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,480
It's a mess.
584
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,040
And because they don't like that.
585
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:07,520
And so a paranormal investigator tries to provide some sort of understanding.
586
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,480
If it's a spirit that just needs to pass over, we try to do that.
587
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,600
But it's also their decision.
588
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:18,080
It's their decision if they want to look for the light and follow through the light.
589
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:22,320
And it's, you know, I talked about the different realms and sometimes they're just not willing
590
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:27,760
to let go of the realm that of this realm, you know, because it's like they're just like
591
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,800
one next over.
592
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,120
So there's some confusion.
593
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:37,960
So what we do is we try to provide some understanding as to what is happening in their home.
594
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,600
I do know that sometimes people get frustrated because they just want me to say, oh, you've
595
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,680
got this ghost here and they're sending this message and they're doing that.
596
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:46,800
And that's not always the case.
597
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,680
In fact, more often than not, it's not the case.
598
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:55,360
If there's a time when it is the case and the homeowners want that ghost or whatever
599
00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:00,600
it is gone and you're saying that that sorry, I'm just going to use the term ghost.
600
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,200
I don't know what to call it.
601
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,200
That's fine.
602
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:04,200
Okay.
603
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,680
Ghost spirit, whatever.
604
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:11,720
If that, you're saying if that thing doesn't want to go, it doesn't have to go, right?
605
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:12,920
They need to tell it to go.
606
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,360
I can bless the house.
607
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:19,800
I can encourage them to move on, but really the homeowners need to, they need to take
608
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:24,400
charge and, you know, we can walk them through the process and tell them, you know, they
609
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,240
need to take the charge, tell them to move on.
610
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:31,160
Like the candles, bless the house, whatever religion it is that they have, they're higher
611
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:32,160
being.
612
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,360
Sometimes they're just going to have to learn to co-exist.
613
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,600
So it doesn't always work.
614
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,800
They don't always leave, in other words.
615
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,520
It does not always work.
616
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:46,280
And it also depends on usually when it's a home, typically they can learn to co-exist
617
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:47,280
with each other.
618
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:54,320
Now, I have been in buildings and things like that and even hotels where some of the ghosts
619
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,240
can be very aggressive.
620
00:36:56,240 --> 00:37:02,840
I've had ghostly bruises on me and scratches on me and they're not necessarily evil.
621
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,760
They're just, they were cranky in life.
622
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,160
And so now they're cranky.
623
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:12,320
And I actually, there's a famous hotel in Texas that we go and visit a lot.
624
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,160
And my son was, he was a sleepwalker.
625
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,320
And I actually had a ghost that brought him back.
626
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,200
I hear this knocking on the door and I open up the door.
627
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,320
There's, you know, and I'm freaking out because I had already realized that Joseph was gone.
628
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:31,960
And I see, and he was a, one of the rough writers, you know, and I brought Joseph in
629
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,080
and he just kind of tilted his hat.
630
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:38,240
And so I did an EVP session and I just wanted to thank him.
631
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:39,240
It meant so much.
632
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:42,560
And it was like, is there anything that you want anybody to know?
633
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,480
And he's like, yes, my name is Michael.
634
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,440
Because they always say, oh, the Minger hotel has got all of these rough writers and they
635
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,520
tell all these different stories about the rough writers, but they never tell them his
636
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:53,520
name.
637
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,800
And it was important for him to tell what his name was.
638
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:02,120
So whenever, because I still frequent the hotel a lot, and whether I see him or not,
639
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:06,160
I'm always mentioning saying, hello, Michael, I hope you're doing well.
640
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,560
And it was just that acknowledgement that he's an individual and he's staying there
641
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,160
because he's happy there.
642
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,560
Wow, that's interesting.
643
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,480
What are the rough writers for those of us not from Texas?
644
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:17,800
Well, that was okay.
645
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,640
So they were, they were actually put together originally by Teddy Roosevelt and they were
646
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,300
kind of a vigilante group that was trying to keep Texas safe.
647
00:38:25,300 --> 00:38:30,720
So they were just a group of soldiers like that was helping protecting the area from
648
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:33,080
Indians and any other type.
649
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,600
And they had their nice little uniforms and things like that.
650
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,000
And they were all friends with Teddy Roosevelt because Teddy Roosevelt actually frequented
651
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,040
this hotel quite a bit.
652
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,960
And supposedly there's quite a few of them that are there.
653
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:48,480
However, these guys, they were there to protect the peace.
654
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:53,120
They were like, they weren't really police officers, but they kind of saw themselves
655
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,680
as police officers.
656
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:59,120
They were like soldiers, like vigilante soldiers, but they were good guys.
657
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:00,120
That's interesting.
658
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,600
How do people find your books if they want to read them?
659
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,880
A lot of times again, they can just get them go through Amazon, GinaLanell.com.
660
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:11,160
My books are available through my website or any online bookstore.
661
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:12,160
Okay.
662
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:13,560
And how would you describe them again?
663
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:14,960
Their horror or what?
664
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,440
Probably paranormal horror or they're there with supernatural.
665
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,520
Not all of them really fall into the thrillers.
666
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:22,640
It depends on what book.
667
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,520
If they want something really scary.
668
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,640
They probably want to read the Tenney Hall series.
669
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:31,040
If they want something more spiritual, but still has a supernatural realm, they'll want
670
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,800
Sharon's last call.
671
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:39,520
And that is about people that are in a realm of death that are waiting to determine if they're
672
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,640
going to cross over to their destination or if they're going to come back to life.
673
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:48,640
Well, I've never been to a library and seen a paranormal horror section.
674
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,840
So thank you for explaining.
675
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:59,160
I know that my local library, they usually just display them, but I know that some of
676
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:04,000
the books they have actually put in the thriller sections, mystery thrillers, and then, you
677
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,560
know, like one of the keywords that would be paranormal.
678
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:07,560
Okay.
679
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:08,560
All right.
680
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,040
Before we wrap up, I know you have some good positive things that we're going to, that
681
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:18,880
we can come back to after talking about some of this in houses and hotels and things.
682
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,520
What message do you want to leave with everybody?
683
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:22,800
That is real.
684
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,520
People are loved and they have nothing to fear.
685
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,280
And you have no fear of death?
686
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:29,720
No, not at all.
687
00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:34,320
How do people get to a point where they have no fear of death if they haven't had an experience
688
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:35,320
like you have?
689
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,000
Faith, faith in God.
690
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,600
All right, Gina, thank you so very much for being with us again.
691
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,120
You're welcome.
692
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,120
Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast.
693
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:49,120
If you've had a roundtrip death experience, we would love to hear from you.
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00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,400
Send an email to Eric at roundtriptest.com.
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Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.
