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From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.
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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.
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And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my
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physical body because I was somewhere else.
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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
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anything else to be felt.
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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.
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I'm back home again.
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Incredibly safe and felt at home.
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Welcome to Round Trip Deaths, everybody, and welcome to our very special guest in Florida,
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in the U.S., Mary Grace Polnastic.
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Good morning.
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Good morning.
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How are you, Eric?
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I'm great.
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How are you?
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I'm doing well.
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Thank you.
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It's actually really nice and we had a cold front here, so yay.
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It feels like fall, actually.
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Okay, how cold is fall in Florida?
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I want to say 75 to 68 degrees, depending.
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For the high?
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Yeah.
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That is Fahrenheit.
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That is not bad.
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And you told me earlier, one of your emails, how nervous you are.
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Please don't be nervous.
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Oh, breathing.
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For our listeners, Mary Grace has not shared her story publicly before.
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She's told a few loved ones.
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And so this is going to be her first time.
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So we're all going to give Grace to Mary Grace and hope that you can relax and we can just
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have a nice chat this morning.
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Before we do, would you mind telling us a little bit about you?
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Sure.
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Like you said, I live in the lovely Florida.
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It's really nice outside right now.
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I'm married, been married for this next December.
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We'll be 12 years.
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And I have two lovely children, very beautiful, smart kids.
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One is in Odyssey of the Mind, which is an amazing program.
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And then the other one is in the Gifted Program.
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So very proud of them for that.
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I'm a stay-at-home mom.
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I'm an avid reader, so I like to read all things consciousness, metaphysics, physics,
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anything I can get my hands on.
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I love to meditate, I meditate daily, which I think has helped me in the long run with
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all my myriad of traumas and symptoms from said traumas.
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And I love k-dramas.
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Okay.
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That's sweet.
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All right.
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Mary Grace, tell me where you grew up and what led up to your near-death experience?
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Sure.
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So, like I said, I was a, I don't think they call military brat any more military child.
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I don't know the proper political wording for it.
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But I grew up in the Philippines until I was seven.
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We moved around a lot.
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So from Philippines to Guam, from Guam to Florida for a few months, and then to Hawaii
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and then back to Florida where I stayed.
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In the Philippines, I didn't feel like I belonged because, you know, being half American, half
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Filipino, it's not really embraced in the community.
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So...
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Can you explain that real quick?
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Do you mind just giving us the family background on that?
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Sure.
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Okay.
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So my mom is a what do you call a hospitality girl that worked in the Naval base, which
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mostly entertained like Navy personnel.
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And so that's what she did.
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And I, she met my dad and got pregnant with me.
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And I guess ruined her career for a moment.
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I know she told me this, that she tried to get rid of me, but I guess that was unsuccessful.
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She gave birth to me.
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And then my grandparents ultimately started taking care of me for most of my childhood.
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She was in and out of my life.
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For most of my childhood.
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And I was just kept inside for a lot.
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I didn't have any friends because I was fair skinned.
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So they didn't want me to, I guess, to get burned or whatnot.
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Well, you didn't look like the other kids.
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So you were kind of shunned in other words.
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Right.
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Correct.
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Yeah.
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Sorry about that.
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That must be really hard when you're just a young child.
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It really was.
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Because I would see kids out the window playing and I'm just trying to entertain myself.
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And I didn't have very many toys or anything.
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So I just, I played with what I could like deodorize.
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Something I could find.
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But when my mom was in and out of my life, when she was home, I just remember her constantly
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yelling at me for, God knows what, or spanking me with slippers, wet slippers at that.
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So I was, I never made her happy.
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And I just felt like I was just there taking up space.
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I wasn't, I didn't feel really loved or accepted by my family.
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And then how old were you when you got real sick?
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I was about five years old.
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I got really sick with a high fever, which even though they were Catholic, they were
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still, they still believed in, um, outworldly, like supernatural possessions and whatnot,
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which Catholics, I believe in possessions, but they believed in like fairies and gnomes
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and stuff like that.
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So I was sick with a high fever and they didn't take me to the doctors because I, as I spoke
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with my mom yesterday, when they feel like you're possessed, um, they didn't take you
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to the doctor.
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So hang on, hang on.
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They didn't think you were sick.
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They thought you were possessed.
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Yes, sir.
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Yeah.
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Why?
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What were the symptoms?
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I guess I was like, uh, convulsing a little bit.
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And then of course, when I was on the brink of death, um, I heard children laughing in
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the background.
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So I remember going outside and, um, in my mind, I was playing with these really bright
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children, you know, they were these kids, but they had these very like golden aura around
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them.
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But I guess in my mother and my grandmother's perspective, I just looked like I was trying
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to catch bugs or something.
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Okay.
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So they thought, I just want to make sure we're clear kind of step by step here.
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Well, they thought you were possessed so that they didn't take you to a doctor.
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Yes, sir.
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I'm so sorry to hear all of this, by the way, it sounds really traumatic.
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And you had a real high fever, which could explain some of this.
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Yes, sir.
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Okay.
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And then you're in bed and is there a point where you remember starting to see things and
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were you hallucinating or were you leaving your body and going somewhere?
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I remember, um, I might have been hallucinating, um, but auditorially, I just remember the
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children laughing and I wanted to go to them, so I did get up from the bed physically to
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go outside.
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It wasn't, um, my actual body or my spirit or anything.
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I did get up physically to go outside to play with these children's children that I was
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hearing.
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And so like I said, I was trying to play tag with them, but in my mind's eye, I was playing
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with them.
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Um, I get it could have been hallucination, but in their, in their perspective, it looked
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like I was just trying to catch bugs and playing with bugs or something like that.
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Okay.
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Thank you.
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Keep going.
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You know, like I said, in my mind's eye, I was playing with them and then all of a sudden
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I just, it turned black, like blackness.
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I guess I fell to the ground outside.
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In my perspective, I was out of my body in this blackness and I felt just really light.
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It wasn't hard to breathe anymore and you know, I was weightless and I was in no pain
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and it was just really, really dark and I was just, I guess suspended animation would
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be the word for it.
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I just felt like in this vast blackness void sort of speak, it was just me.
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And then all of a sudden I hear like a calling.
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I felt it in my body and then I looked to my side and I seen this light.
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It was very faint at first and then it kept getting closer and closer and closer and engulfed
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me.
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Then when I opened my eyes again, I was greeted with this being, but it didn't really, he
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didn't really have a face or anything.
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I just felt a male energy and he didn't really have a form.
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It was just like a very bright B and he welcomed me.
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He was like, welcome and then I just felt sorry.
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That's okay.
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I know it's difficult to relive and this is the beautiful part too.
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I just felt like this.
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I'm sorry.
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It is overwhelming love and peace that I've never felt before.
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I've always felt like I was just there and a burden and I just, I just felt it and I,
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my little me, my inner child or whatever, I was crying as well.
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I don't know why I was crying.
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I'm like, why am I crying?
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But it was just this overwhelming feeling around my body that I just couldn't ignore and it
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was so beautiful.
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In addition to this wonderful feeling, were you seeing anything at this point?
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You just said it was beautiful.
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Did you see something?
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I did.
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It was like a library of some sort.
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The gentleman was next to me and then there were other beings like gathered around a table
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and they were reading, look like they were reading books or something.
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But they said hello to me and you can just tell that they were at peace and loving.
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At this point, I still didn't know where I was.
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I was all sorts of confused and then Miss Bing told me to follow him and I didn't really
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question it.
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I didn't ask any questions because at five years old, I mean, it was a lot to take in.
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So I followed him into this room and he pulled up a, you know, we pulled up a chair on this
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table and he told me to sit down, which I did.
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And he sat right next to me and in front of us was a wall.
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And then he did this like little motion thing and it turned into a screen and he told me
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he wanted to show me something.
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You know, it was like a movie playing and it was earth and where my body was lying.
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I guess it was trying to show me or make me understand that my soul was separate from
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my body at that point.
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But I didn't recognize myself, you know, but I just recognized my little love holding me.
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She was like rocking me back and forth, scared and worried.
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Like I've never seen this reaction from her before.
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And you know, it's like, well, that's my Lola, I guess that's me.
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Lola is, I'm sorry for, is the Filipino word for grandmother.
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He was just trying to calm me down.
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And I said, am I dead?
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And he said, yes.
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And I said, I don't feel dead.
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And I said, how did I die?
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Because I don't feel like I'm dead.
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I feel better than I did.
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And he just laughs and, you know, he told me that my body got too hot.
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That's how I died.
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And so I remember seeing from the screen, my mother was to my grandmother's left.
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And then there was two shaman ladies.
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Again, like I said, they thought I was possessed.
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So they hired faith healers to come and get rid of whatever was possessing me.
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I remember seeing a lot of smoke.
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Sounds like they have your body back in the house at this point.
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Yes, sir.
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Yes, sorry.
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Yeah.
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And your grandmother's rocking you.
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You know, one thing that I find really interesting here is it's unusual for you
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to be seeing what's going on with your body from a screen.
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I hear lots of people talking about, well, like in a hospital room,
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they're up in the corner near the ceiling looking down.
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Right.
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Or later they're looking at a screen, but that's a life review.
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Right.
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And but you're seeing what's actually happening at that point on the screen.
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That's cool.
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That's interesting.
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Yeah.
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And it wasn't like a regular screen or anything.
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It looked like it was just a white wall and it was hollowed out.
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And that's what I was seeing.
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Like it played out on earth while I was, you know, where I was.
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And and he told me, unfortunately, it's not your time yet.
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You have to go back.
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And I'm like, what do you mean?
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Go back.
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I don't want to.
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Sorry.
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I didn't want to go back because I told him, I'm like, I'm not loved there.
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I don't feel this feeling there.
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You know, I, my mom's always mad at me.
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I know she doesn't want me.
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She's always mad at me and hitting me.
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And I just want to stay here.
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And he's like, you can't stay here.
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And like a five year old, I was crying and throwing a tantrum, you know,
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because I really didn't want to go back.
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But he told me I needed to go back.
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And I kept asking why, why.
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And he told me because of love.
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And I was like, what love?
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I feel like here.
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I don't feel that there.
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Again, he showed me the screen.
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I know like life review shows you your past doing so and whatnot.
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But to me, what he showed me was my future and my children and then who's, you know,
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to be my husband.
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And he told me, I know your life is going to be really hard.
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And you're going to go through a lot.
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Sorry.
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But you will be happy eventually.
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And your children need to be born because they're going to show you.
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What unconditional love is in this plane so that way you know.
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And I was like, still crying because at five years old, you're going to tell,
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I know that it's like, can't comprehend that.
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And then, and then with great reluctance, I finally said, okay,
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if I meant to be there and I'm not meant to be here yet, okay, I'll go back if that's
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what I need to do.
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And it wasn't like any judgment or pushy pushing us from his voice.
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It was, there was like great compassion and love from what I remember.
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He gave me a choice, but he said that in order for me to learn what unconditional love was,
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I needed to go back.
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Isn't that interesting that even then you actually had a choice.
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He told you you needed to do it, but he didn't force you to go back.
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I love the fact that there is this, this agency, this free to choose.
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Yeah.
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Everything in that spiritual realm.
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Yeah.
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It was, like I said, he wasn't like demanding or forceful.
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It was with great compassion.
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And I think he thought showing me my future and me being happy in it eventually will push
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me where I get.
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And then when I agreed, he showed me the screen again and we're back to me and the Philippines.
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And then I remembered the shamans.
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They put like a candle in a spoon and there was a bowl with the cold water underneath
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the spoon and they pour the candle into the bowl, the cold water and it formed like a
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face thing, like a face of a candle.
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And the shamans or faith healers, I'm sorry, they're called faith healers told my Lola
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that I needed to place the candle underneath the pillow.
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And if it broke, then I would be fine.
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And if it didn't, then whoever had possessed me has taken over completely and I was gone
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forever.
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But I was laughing because I was seeing it from the screen and I'm like, I know where
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I'm at.
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I'm not possessed.
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I know where I'm at.
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And she did exactly that.
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And then he turns and tells me, okay, it's time.
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It's time for you to go back.
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And I didn't feel the pool like everybody else did.
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I just remember blackness again and then waking up and I was fine.
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And I guess the face broke and they thought the, you know, the possession was over.
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They told my grandmother it was a old white, like an older white lady with really long
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black hair who had evil intent that had a hold of me.
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That's what they told her.
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Now, when you say you felt fine at that point, does that mean you were well or you just weren't
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dead?
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You just, sorry to laugh, or you just weren't dead anymore.
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Did you still have a high fever?
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What do you mean by that?
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Yeah, I was fine.
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You know, my body wasn't achy anymore.
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It didn't hurt to breathe and my mind wasn't foggy.
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So I just felt like, like waking up from a sleep.
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How interesting.
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Okay.
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Do you remember what happened next?
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Yeah.
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So after that, I told my grandmother, because I was really, really excited to tell her about
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all this experience and everything.
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And she just said, you know, oh yeah, the shamans did their work.
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The shamans did their work.
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The lady had a hold of you.
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And so she didn't really believe that I went to the other side.
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That was that.
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And a lot of interesting things happened afterwards.
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Tell me some of those.
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Sure.
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Since I was so open or had high frequency from what happened coming back, I remember we were
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stuck in traffic.
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A traffic in the Philippines is horrible.
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I stuck a straw up in the air and I was like, because my mom was getting frustrated being,
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you know, in the same place for a long time.
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So I stuck a straw in the air.
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I guess trying to amplify my thought or something in my five year old mind.
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And I was like, please, please, can you please let us get home soon?
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And then after that, like all the lights that we hit were green.
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We didn't even hit a single red light after that.
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It was crazy.
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I remember going to the mall with my mom and wanting a toy.
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And we went up the escalator and she said we didn't have any money.
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And after we got up to the escalator, I found like a stack of cash.
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I was like, wow, now I have enough money to buy a toy.
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You know, that was really, really neat.
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When we were moving from Philippines to Guam, when I was around seven, I remember the plane
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ride was so turbulent.
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I was going up, down, up, down, like the lights were going on and off, on and off.
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And I was really scared.
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You know, sitting next to my mom and I grabbed the armrests next to me and I was, please stop,
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please stop, please stop.
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And then all of a sudden it like just was cleared again.
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And I didn't know if it was me or it was just coincidence or whatnot, but it was really,
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really neat.
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And over the years, you've had some other spiritual and out of body experiences.
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But as long as we're talking about things that you have affected, you had told me in
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our pre-interview about your husband's Xbox.
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Yes.
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Tell everybody what happened with that.
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So after one of my more intense meditations, all of a sudden like the Xbox, you know,
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I was sitting on the couch with my kids and there was no controller right next to us and
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my husband was at the table and the Xbox turns on and then, you know, he couldn't turn it
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off because he was like, why is it on?
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And he was like, I don't, I'm sorry.
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I think I might have turned it on and he couldn't turn it off.
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He couldn't turn it off.
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So he had to turn the switch off or the search protector off.
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And when he turned it back on, it wouldn't turn on after that.
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I feel that.
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I mean, I turned, I have turned on his Xbox like unwillingly off and on for a while,
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but I guess that was the last time it wanted to do that.
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So you actually killed it.
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Oh man.
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He was heartbroken.
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He wasn't upset so much as heartbroken because he, you know, I really can't control it.
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Like me breaking four Android phones before the sales guy was like, you know what, try
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an Apple.
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Okay.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait.
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What happened exactly with that?
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You go cell phone shopping.
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Yes, sir.
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We go, oh yes, sir.
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We go cell phone shopping and we were getting the new latest Samsung Galaxy phone.
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Quick pause here.
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This podcast is a labor of love produced by me and my son, Will, who's a university student.
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Now back to our guest.
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And I was particular.
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I wanted a white one and the sales guy showed me, you know, was ready to purchase a white
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one and it broke.
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And he was like, that's weird.
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I've never seen this happen before.
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And he did that about three more times each time with me touching it, but like for just
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a few seconds.
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And he was like, I don't know.
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Why don't you try an iPhone?
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Cause obviously Samsung's are not agreeing with you.
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You broke four galaxies in the space of a couple of minutes.
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Yes, sir.
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Wow.
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Glad you didn't get the bill for that.
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No, no, no.
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I mean.
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I don't have phones you don't have a problem with.
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No, well, I don't know.
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The other night when my husband and I were sitting down, I was looking through one of
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his apps or something and then all of a sudden his phone did something freaky.
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One of the apps started glitching and he's like, what's going on?
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I've never seen it do that.
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I'm like, I'm sorry.
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I just was like clicking through it.
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I don't know.
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Well, and we're actually recording over your iPhone today.
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Oh, it's working.
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Of course, I'll let everybody know you're not touching it.
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No, just in case.
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I don't want to, but I haven't had an issue with this one.
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So we're good.
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I try not to do as many devices.
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My daughter just got an Oculus and I'm afraid to mess with that on her behalf.
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All right.
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Let's, let's go back to your childhood again.
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Is there anything else that you want to fill us in on before an outer body experience that
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you had?
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Yeah.
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So again, like I said, I grew up with a myriad of traumas with my mom, like constantly verbally
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and physically abusing me.
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When we were in Guam after that experience, actually she barely touched me.
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So I think she in her heart, she believed what happened and she, I guess was afraid of what
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would happen to her if, so, you know, she did something.
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But when we went to Florida, my father's stepdad abused me sexually.
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So I'm sorry.
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I begged my parents originally.
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They were, it was just supposed to be my parents and my, my mom or my mom and my dad supposed
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to go to Hawaii by themselves.
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So without me, and I was supposed to stay with my grandmother and him.
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And I begged them.
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I'm like, please, please, please let me go with you.
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I didn't want to tell them the reason because I was told not to because it was my fault.
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I was meant to feel ashamed for what had happened.
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And you know, reluctantly, they agreed to take me with them.
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And Hawaii, it was really nice because there were other half children like myself.
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But this time my dad was working at night at Pearl Farber and my mom wanted to go out partying
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with and doing other things with her friends.
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So I was by myself at night most of the time.
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So that was not very pleasant.
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I remember wanting to go over my friend's house all the time to spend the night.
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Unfortunately, one time her parents had called the cops because I couldn't get into my house.
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I forgot the key inside the house and my mom wasn't answering her phone.
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And my dad was working.
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So they had to call the cops and the cops called my dad to let me inside the house and stuff.
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So rough growing up.
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It didn't just change and get all better.
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No.
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After your experience at age five.
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Okay.
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Yeah, but I knew that this would happen.
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So eventually my parents ended up getting a divorce and my mom didn't really want me
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living with her and her new boyfriend.
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And my dad was getting deployed to Diego Garcia at the time.
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So I told them that I would go there to save their feeling or I thought I would be saving
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their feeling.
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But really I had no choice but to go back to my grandmother and the abuser.
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And so when she wasn't around and stuff, it would happen more.
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And it was just really rough.
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But in middle school, I had this really great friend in sixth grade who I loved and cherished
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as a sister.
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And I would constantly go to her house to try to escape from everything.
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And at one point when my grandmother was taking me to her house, all of a sudden she developed
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this really sharp pain in her head.
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And you know, she pulled over and she's like, oh my gosh, this really bad headache.
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And I'm like, come on, grandma, let's just go back home.
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You know, you can lay down and I'll call my friends, parents, and have them pick me up.
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It's no big deal.
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And she kept apologizing to me.
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I remember her apologizing profusely to me and I kept telling her, please don't worry
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about it.
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Please don't worry about it.
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I think she knew.
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She knew what was happening.
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And when we got to the house, she told me to call my aunt who was a nurse at the tower.
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She's still a nurse.
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And while I was on the phone, she actually had a stroke and fell face down on the floor
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first and she was barely breathing.
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And I was trying to calm our dog at that time down and trying to tell her everything will
490
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,640
be okay while on the phone at 13 years old.
491
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,880
It was just, it was a lot.
492
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,360
Eventually, you know, we lost my grandmother.
493
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,080
But I felt her leaving.
494
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:53,440
And I took my younger cousins to the lakefront, which was fairly close to the house.
495
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,080
And we were just walking and then all of a sudden it started raining.
496
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,080
And they were like, oh, it's raining.
497
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,080
We're going to melt.
498
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,600
You know what the silly things kids do.
499
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:03,600
And we started running.
500
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:09,600
All of a sudden I just felt this, a piece of me being taken away.
501
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:15,560
And then I just, I just knew that she was gone.
502
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:21,440
And when we came back to the house, they told us kids that, you know, she didn't make it.
503
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:31,080
So that was really hard for me because I think she was protecting me from all that.
504
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:37,360
And then after she had passed away, my friend stopped talking to me, this girl who I viewed
505
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:42,760
as a sister, because I guess she, she didn't know how to talk to me after that.
506
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,200
So I lost her as a friend too.
507
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:52,200
And then that, now that we were alone, I used to actually sleep with a knife under my water
508
00:29:52,200 --> 00:30:01,520
bed, a pillow in a water bed to make sure that I was protected, you know.
509
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:09,840
But without telling anybody what was happening, I asked my uncle if I could live with them.
510
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,520
Because my cousin and I went to the same school at the time.
511
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,080
So I asked him if I could live with them and they agreed.
512
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:23,440
So I lived with them for a while until my dad finally retired and got our own house.
513
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:29,120
And that was at that house that we just purchased was my, the first at a body experience that
514
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:30,120
I had.
515
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,120
Okay.
516
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,120
Tell us about that.
517
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,120
Sure.
518
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:40,360
So one night it was unusually cold for Florida weather and I think it was like 40 something
519
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:41,520
degrees or something.
520
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:47,520
And I had this personal heater right next to, on my nightstand right next to my bed.
521
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,520
And I had on full blast.
522
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:55,480
Because you know, growing up, mostly growing up in tropical climates, 40 something is really,
523
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:56,480
really cold.
524
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:03,920
I had this like thermal long johns is what it's called on under my blanket.
525
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:09,760
And then all of a sudden, I don't know if it was another end the ear whatnot, but I
526
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:18,760
had this very, very, very vivid dream of being inside of this iron cage and the bars were
527
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,920
really, really thick.
528
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:27,720
And on top of the cage was a chain that was letting me or, you know, putting me down closer
529
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,320
and closer inside of this like very dark cave.
530
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:38,400
And they were like demonic beings all around and underneath was the lava.
531
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:43,160
And the chain was getting me down closer and closer to said lava.
532
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:49,480
And I remember one of the demons beings got close to the chain, grabbed onto the bar and
533
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,200
was like laughing at me.
534
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,080
And I tried screaming, but I didn't have any voice.
535
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,120
So anything was just laughing at me.
536
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:04,400
And I was like, so scary, but trying to see if I could find myself a way out.
537
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,840
I was getting closer and closer to the bottom of the cave.
538
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:14,200
I just with all of my being with all of my might, I just yelled out, even though I didn't
539
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,080
have a voice, I just yelled out, Jesus.
540
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:24,000
And then all of a sudden this very bright white light came across this cave and everything
541
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,080
turned bright.
542
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,640
I was no longer inside of that cave.
543
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:35,320
And then I remember being transported into my house in front of my door, my bedroom door.
544
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,760
My door was always open.
545
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,240
And I remember just watching my body sleeping.
546
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,480
And then all of a sudden I got this feeling like I was really hot and dehydrated.
547
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,080
So I go, my gosh.
548
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,440
So I told myself to wake up.
549
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:51,800
I couldn't wake up.
550
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,720
And then I was yelling at myself to wake up.
551
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,800
And then the last time I was like, wait, God.
552
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:02,880
And I finally woke up, turned off my heater and got a glass of water.
553
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:08,600
It was so strange just looking at my body sleeping while I was outside of my bedroom
554
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:09,600
door.
555
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,680
It was sounds like more than just a dream.
556
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:12,680
Yeah.
557
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,600
It felt so real, I would never forget that.
558
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:22,160
And it was like my reoccurring dream of me being younger, wearing this potato sack dress
559
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,040
and I'm in line waiting.
560
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:28,800
And then all of a sudden there's this box and I would have to get into the box and there
561
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,240
was a guy in uniform about to shoot me and I would always wake up before I get shot.
562
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,480
It was, there's so many things like that.
563
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,480
Did you have one other out of body experience?
564
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:41,480
I did.
565
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:42,960
How old were you then?
566
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,280
I was 28.
567
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,280
Okay.
568
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:46,840
What led up to that?
569
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:47,840
Sure.
570
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:53,320
I was having a tubal ligation, you know, no more pregnancies because my second pregnancy,
571
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:58,320
although she's such a blessing, was very hard on my body.
572
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,040
So I couldn't, you know, go through that again.
573
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:09,800
And so after they put me an anesthesia, I remember seeing them putting tape on my eyes.
574
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:16,160
And then I just was looking at myself from like on the ceiling, like I was on the ceiling
575
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:20,200
looking at myself on the table while they were operating on me.
576
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:26,840
I remember them making an incision and I remember watching the monitor and I remember the little
577
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:32,200
circular classic thing that they put over my fallopian tube.
578
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:37,680
They had to like pry it open with one of those machines because I guess it was the really,
579
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:43,720
really hard plastic and then they put it over my fallopian tube and I just remember them
580
00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:46,280
talking about what lunch they were going to have.
581
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,640
Out of the blue, you know, during surgery, I was like, yeah, you know, we're going to
582
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:56,240
have combo so she, you know, comp salad is like, okay, comp salad.
583
00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:58,640
Why aren't they talking about any who I digress?
584
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:03,960
But yeah, after my follow up surgery six weeks later to make sure that everything went well,
585
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:09,240
I was talking to my surgeon and then she was like, yeah, that's so weird.
586
00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:13,880
So you told her the things that you remember seeing and hearing.
587
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:14,880
Yeah.
588
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,400
And it kind of freaked her out a little bit.
589
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:18,400
It really did.
590
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:23,480
Cause she was like, you're really like, you know, under anesthesia.
591
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,720
How did you, I said, I just thought everything.
592
00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:26,720
I saw the monitor.
593
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:33,480
I saw the device that you used to not clamp, but like put my tubes in between and like,
594
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:38,760
they look like an O-ring, you know, but they use it to clamp my fallopian tubes.
595
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:43,480
Make sure that she was really surprised by that.
596
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,480
You do know this isn't very normal, right?
597
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,920
It's a knee.
598
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,920
I mean that in a loving way.
599
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,520
Most of us don't have these kinds of experiences.
600
00:35:54,520 --> 00:36:01,360
I wonder if, if what you, what happened to you at age five kind of made you more prone
601
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,600
to these experiences later in life.
602
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:04,840
What's your thoughts?
603
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,320
I believe they do.
604
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:12,960
I honestly do as well as meditation cause I listen to Heming St. Meditation and it's
605
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,960
in a treatment and treatment program.
606
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,720
And I think that helps me as well to get to my intuition more.
607
00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:23,200
I had anxiety and depression most of my life.
608
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:28,240
So I was actually I'm sober over one year.
609
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:29,240
Yay.
610
00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:30,240
Congratulations.
611
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:31,360
Thank you.
612
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:37,920
I was self-medicating as well as had prescription medication for, you know, anxiety and depression
613
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,760
really bad.
614
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:47,960
But I believe it really helped me cause I feel people's emotions and see behind the
615
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,880
veil sort of speak.
616
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:55,480
Sometimes what they say and what they actually mean are two completely different things.
617
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,240
And I, it freaks, like they get angry with me because it freaks them out.
618
00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:04,040
But so I've learned to not speak my mind on the matter.
619
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:09,040
Can you give us an example of when that's happened recently or any example that stands
620
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:10,040
out?
621
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,600
Sure.
622
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:18,360
When someone told me that they cared for me, but I knew behind their eyes there was no
623
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:23,720
like real meaning behind it kind of thing.
624
00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:26,600
You know, I can feel people's emotions.
625
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:33,000
Like one time my, we just got a brand new cat and my youngest was so scared of it.
626
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:39,360
And I felt her fear at the very bottom of my back and I felt it so intensely it hurt.
627
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:44,200
I see events that happen or have had happened.
628
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:50,640
Like when, when my dad called me to tell me that my abuser had killed, you know, had passed
629
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:51,640
away.
630
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,520
I told him, oh yeah, he shot himself in the head, didn't he?
631
00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:01,000
And he's like, yeah, he was really surprised that I knew that even though I was 3000 miles
632
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:06,520
away, you know, visiting my mom before the trial was to go about.
633
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,400
It's just little things.
634
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,160
I'm more sensitive.
635
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:15,000
The other day actually I was just walking to my room and then all of a sudden like I
636
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,080
felt a beat like a spirit being there.
637
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,560
I didn't see it, but I just felt it.
638
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,840
And I'm like, mm, what's your intention and see it.
639
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:29,160
That most of the beings I come across in this house has, hasn't been malevolent or had any
640
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,000
ill will towards anybody here.
641
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,680
So what emotions are you feeling for me?
642
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:42,120
Um, it's a happy, well relaxed, but very curious.
643
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,200
Sorry to put you on the spot.
644
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:46,840
No, you're good.
645
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:47,840
Okay.
646
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:53,440
So I think it might be interesting for some of our listeners to find out how you got on
647
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:54,440
this show.
648
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:55,440
Sure.
649
00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:00,320
Why don't you go ahead and tell everybody, because we, we never talk about this and, and
650
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,280
there's a lot of different ways that people end up being interviewed here.
651
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,560
So how did it work for you?
652
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:12,520
I was listening to different types of podcasts prior to, um, like conch, you know, metaphysics,
653
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:17,520
consciousness, spirit speakers, you know, psychic teachers and all that.
654
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:23,040
And although they were very helpful in my spiritual life and awakening my spiritual self, I was
655
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:29,480
like, I still don't feel like I know what happened to me, you know, with the NDE because
656
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:34,240
I had forgotten about it until about 2020.
657
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:38,440
And I had that meditation past life regression meditation and all of a sudden it just came
658
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:39,440
up to me.
659
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,520
I was like, I've been like, Oh my gosh, I need to know what happened.
660
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,800
And then I was just researching near death experience.
661
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:53,680
I've read a few here and there online, but it never really resonated with me.
662
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:59,840
So, and I came across your show on Amazon and I'm like, I might as well give it a try.
663
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:05,400
You know, hopefully I can find something that resonates with me and what happened with me.
664
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:10,720
And I've been hooked ever since all of your speakers have been wonderful and you have
665
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:13,320
just a calming presence to you.
666
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,160
So you reached out and sent me an email.
667
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,600
It was a nice long one, very well written.
668
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:24,000
Oh, I guess that I felt confident on my end.
669
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,760
Anyway, I appreciate that.
670
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:32,760
I love when people send emails to Will and I that we can go through and pick speakers
671
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:38,040
from or pick interviews from and you're sound very sincere and interesting.
672
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,560
So, so I wanted to talk to you and I knew people would love you.
673
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:47,640
So what other message do you have for anybody listening out there?
674
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:56,480
That I was just told that love is the answer, you know, and we're here to experience from
675
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,760
all a lot of the books I've read.
676
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:05,960
We as humans just get to experience what it's like here.
677
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:12,440
And on the other side, there's really, there's just love, no judgment, just love.
678
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:21,080
And just love everyone as much as you can forgive because I've forgiven that person,
679
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:26,440
mostly for myself and just try to be the best you you can be.
680
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,800
Help out as many people as you can when you can.
681
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,920
And that love that you felt during your NDE, could you explain it to us more?
682
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:34,920
Sure.
683
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,480
Try to put into words now that you've had children and things, you probably understand
684
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,400
that feeling even more than you did then.
685
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:49,720
I do, but it's so hard to describe it because the love I have with my children is never
686
00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:50,720
ending.
687
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:59,120
And it's like that times, oh my gosh, infinity and phantasm all have everyone at work.
688
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,280
You're just like engulfed in it once you get there.
689
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:09,800
It's this freedom of no judgment and you're just love for who you are.
690
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,760
You don't have to be anybody else other than who you are.
691
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,720
You're just loved.
692
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:20,040
It's like somebody said a thousand grandmas hugging you at the same time.
693
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,560
It's just, it engulfs your being and it's really, really beautiful.
694
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,560
How do we show more of that to people around us?
695
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,760
Just accept people for who they are regardless of how they are.
696
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:38,120
Just, you know, don't expect anything out of them and don't try to change them.
697
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,440
Just accept them and love them.
698
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:48,120
And did this experience leave you with less fear of death than a normal person would have?
699
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:49,120
Absolutely.
700
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:53,280
Actually, I wanted to go back.
701
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,040
That's embarrassing to say.
702
00:42:55,040 --> 00:43:01,640
I remember trying to alleviate my depression with taking golden teachers and it, which
703
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:07,560
is a silence I've been and getting in the tub and wanting to go back home.
704
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,240
I just wanted to go back home because I don't feel like home here.
705
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:16,880
I mean, I feel with my family home, but I miss that feeling of home.
706
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:23,280
It's kind of like, it's unfair because I love my family here, but there's no feeling like
707
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,960
the home that you experience on the other side.
708
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,840
If that makes sense.
709
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:28,840
Yeah.
710
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:33,520
And that guide that you had there, he said you will be happy eventually.
711
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:34,520
Has that happened?
712
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:35,520
Yes.
713
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:40,120
I'm very happy with my husband and my two children.
714
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:45,560
They mean so very much to me more than anything.
715
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,520
And getting to tell them I love them a hundred times a day, even though they get annoyed
716
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,520
with me is the highlight of my day.
717
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:53,720
I get to hug that.
718
00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:57,160
Well, my love, I'm my 12 year old, not so much anymore.
719
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:01,920
She doesn't like being touched anymore, but my, at least I get to, you know, cuddle and
720
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:08,040
hug on my eight year old as much as I can, so, which is close to the feeling as you can
721
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,040
get here.
722
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:16,520
Well, as a parent who has had teenagers go through those years, I understand and it doesn't
723
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:17,520
last forever.
724
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:18,520
Okay.
725
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,240
You'll hopefully have a cuddler again one of these days.
726
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:25,960
Anyway, Mary Grace, thanks so much for being with us today.
727
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:26,960
Thank you, Eric.
728
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,720
I hope, you know, it helps somebody.
729
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:33,720
And how do you feel now that you've had a chance to share it?
730
00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:36,320
A little shaken, but I feel good.
731
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,120
I hope it can confuse a lot of too much.
732
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:45,600
You guys too much, but, you know, I'm very appreciative for you and this wonderful podcast
733
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:52,000
to help me share my story because even though I may be seeing, seeing crazy as some, you
734
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,840
know, at least it's, it's my experience and I was able to share it.
735
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:57,840
Thank you.
736
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:58,840
Well, I hope it's helped you.
737
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,440
I know it's helped other people.
738
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,880
Thanks again.
739
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:09,520
Thanks to you for listening and remember to follow and share this podcast.
740
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:39,360
Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.
