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Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death everybody and this special bonus episode with Brooke Grove.
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We're going to pick it up from where we were on the last episode, which was an awesome,
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awesome story of her NDE.
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But we mentioned that there's a whole topic that we can go into about shared death experiences
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or SDEs.
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And we're going to jump into that now.
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From the time that they pronounced me death was a good 45 minutes.
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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.
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And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my
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physical body because I was somewhere else.
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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace.
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There wasn't anything else to be felt.
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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.
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I'm back home again.
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Incredibly safe and felt at home.
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All right, Brooke, welcome back.
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Thank you for having me again, Eric.
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It's amazing you look just the same as five minutes ago.
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Anyway, I rudely cut you off at the end of our last episode.
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We were talking, you were talking about the shared death experience with your grandmother.
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And so I'm sorry I had to do that, but I wanted you to be able to really give it the time
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and the quality of discussion that I'm sure it deserves.
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So tell me, how old were you when this happened and what happened?
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I must have been, it's shortly after coma.
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It's when I'm struggling with my after effects.
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My son's born a year later.
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So yeah, it had to be very few years after coma.
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I'm not sure exactly my age, but that would put me in my very early 30s.
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And at that point, I did not find my after effects to be very fun.
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I was finding ways to turn them off because I learned very quickly the medication and
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certain things just turned it off and it goes away and I don't have to deal with it.
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And so I was kind of living in that bouncing back and forth between wanting to understand
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it and play with it and then not wanting anything to do with it.
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Okay.
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So it was like a lot of all or nothing response to the after effect.
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Well, and they really can be too overwhelming, can't they?
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You call them after effects.
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I like to call them spiritual gifts that people come back with.
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But yeah, especially if they are intuitive things where you know a little bit about what
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people are thinking and feeling, you just can't deal with that in the grocery store.
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Exactly.
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And if there's a thousand people, so I get the fact that it can be too much and you need
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to turn it off sometimes.
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Anyway, keep going.
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Thank you.
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So my grandmother had had Alzheimer's since I actually the paper that I described in the
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last episode started so many of my autoimmune symptoms.
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I had been writing that when she became ill and then she has it for this really long time
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through all of my degrees and my coma and all of it and then she suddenly takes a turn
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for the worst.
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She had Parkinson's adjacent to it.
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So she was suffering for a very long time.
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I don't remember her knowing who I was for the better part of the five years prior to
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when she's ready to transition.
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That said, my grandfather was constantly at her side and constantly engaged in taking
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care of her.
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And I get a phone call from my father, very upset that it's time and she's ready to transition
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and hospice has been called in.
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And I blessedly was able to get a flight immediately and I get over there at seven in the morning.
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And I remember because it's seven a.m. when I get there and it's seven p.m. where she
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passes.
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When I got there, immediately my after effects come on even though I tried to turn them off.
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It was just like too much energy in the room and my dad's there, my mom's there, my uncle's
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there, my brother, all these people are there.
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Okay.
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And it's a lot of energy, a lot of grief.
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And I don't want to focus on it.
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So I say to spirit the same thing I've said in the hospital, show me the beauty.
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Let me follow the light.
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I don't want to see the pain.
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Intuitively I was starting to learn how to set energetic boundaries with them.
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I wouldn't have called it that back then, but that was what was beginning to organically
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unfold.
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And so they begin instead of allowing me to kind of be an empath and absorb all the energy
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in that room and the grief, they show me this beautiful tunnel of light beginning to form
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around her.
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Almost like a vortex.
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There was a multitude of lights and multi-dimensional light beings and they're surrounding her.
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And I see her soul star chakra open, which is the chakra that's depicted around Christ
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or the Buddha where you see that golden halo around them.
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Most people aren't so aware of that particular chakra, but that's where that divine light
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connects us to our higher ethnic chakras.
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And so her soul star organically begins to open up in front of me.
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And I see this illumination of citrine gold around her head.
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At the same time, all these light beings are holding her and I can feel the joy beginning
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to emanate from her higher auric field and her subtle bodies.
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And it's nothing like what's happening in the room.
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So at that point, I begin to hyper focus on it because it's grounding me and it's bringing
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me peace.
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And suddenly I'm elated and it is a weird thing to be elated in a room full of grieving
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people.
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Yet you talk to any end the year when we're around death, we get this like buzzy higher
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vibration of going home, that remembrance of what's to come.
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And as I said before, most of us are not scared of death.
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Therefore, there's an electricity to it that is enticing and invigorating and welcoming,
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not scary in the least.
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And so I'm feeling this energetic resonance with her, this exchange.
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I'm witnessing these beautiful light beings and her own auric, entire auric field changing.
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And as I previously described in the last episode, when you're learning to interpret
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the energy field, it's a bit overwhelming as we were just saying.
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And so to be able to see her aura, which had been so stagnant, so gray, so blotchy for
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the last 12 years, suddenly shift into this beautiful gold held up by all of these violence
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and indigos and pinks, which are the angels of compassion.
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And it was so nice to feel their radiance and their holding.
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She was a devout Catholic woman.
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And what brought me so much peace was that Mother Mary was there.
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I felt the ascended master and her energy, who had also been the guide associated most
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with religion, who had communicated to me my entire childhood.
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So there was a deep trust and safety in her arms and the knowing that she was being held.
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Despite what was happening on the ground.
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And so after I sit through this process for almost 12 hours, my grandfather began to be
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the only thing I could observe with my eyes and my intuition that was changing her vibration
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when he would come over.
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Now, of course, he's coming from unconditional love and grief and doesn't want to let her
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go.
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But when that vibration would come to her directly atop of her, that golden stuff would
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dissolve a bit.
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She would come back down from her celestial and auric bodies into the physical.
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And I knew it needed to happen.
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He needed to say goodbye.
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That whole process had to occur for the hours prior.
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But right before seven o'clock, intuitively, I asked my teams, is it okay to ask him to
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walk?
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She's ready.
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And I got a resounding yes.
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I got a feeling of yes from her again, inner knowing and telepathy.
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And so, and this was hard for my human.
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But I also at that point trusted it.
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There's something about when you're in the residence with that light, you just trust
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it.
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And I surrendered and I said, Papa, would you mind taking a walk?
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And he is a stubborn, wonderful man.
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And he did not want to do that.
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And he did not want to leave his Jenny.
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And so, you know, I got an earful about telling him to go take a walk.
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Did he know what that meant?
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Maybe.
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I think on some level, but he was also very old and very tired and getting very weak.
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And I feel that's part of why my team said now is okay.
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And so my uncle, who I share so many odd similarities with, we even have the same birthday that
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said he saw what I was attempting to do.
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And he took his dad out.
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And at that point, my dad followed and everybody left the room.
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And it was just me and my grandmother.
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And at that part, I walked up to her and I said, I know you can hear me.
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And I know you're ready.
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And you are surrounded by everyone you have ever loved.
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Our deep ancestors are here.
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Your beloveds in, bodied in blood are here.
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We have waited to see you at peace for a very long time.
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There will be no pain.
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There will be no more hard times.
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And you will always be available to us.
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You can let go now, grandma.
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And she looked at me in a way, Eric, that she hadn't looked at me for 15 years.
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She was cognizant.
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She was there for a brief moment.
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And she smiled and one tear came down her eye.
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And then as gentle as soul poetry, she began to fly out of the body very, very, very gently
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and be reconnected with the other light beings and they took her up through this beautiful
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golden tunnel to the great beyond.
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And that was that.
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And then I sat there, blissed out, smiling ear to ear, realizing I needed to ground myself
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and that I was about to encounter a deep wave of grief and I needed to be able to hold my
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joy for her homecoming and her release.
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At the same time, I tenderly held their pain and our loss of her physical expression.
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Yet I knew she was in deep peace.
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And that was the first day, Eric, after many years of suffering with my after effects that
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I realized these can be fun.
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These can heal.
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These can transform death ceremonies.
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They can be of service.
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And that began to be the beginning of my grandmother's dance and sharing with me from the other
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side that really guided me to the work I'm doing now.
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That is so awesome and so beautiful and so difficult because of the fact that you now
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had to go back out to your family and put on a little bit of a grief face.
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I don't know how you do both.
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But I guess death dole has to deal with that all the time.
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That was the beginning of the training in that.
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Yeah.
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Is that something that you do as well?
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I do.
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That is invitation only.
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It's not something I like advertise.
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I will always do it when I'm called for it.
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Yet it's always based on spirit's lead.
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If someone contacts me and it's the right circumstance and I'm available, I'm there.
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I think there is no, I know.
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If one of my guides is correct me, I know there is no greater honor than to be fully
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present with someone transitioning.
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Death has such a negative connotation in comparison to life in this culture.
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But really it is a transition and a return and ought to be treated with reverence.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Take a breath.
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Are there any other of these shared death experiences that you'd like to share with us?
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I've done a lot of work with the VA and with veterans.
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My early training was with PTSD and as a survivor of PTSD myself, it's very near and dear to
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my heart.
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Some of the death dole work has come to me as a byproduct of having connections with
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that community.
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There was a particular soldier who my kids and I had made them cards and visited them
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at the VA, but I hadn't worked with him in, I don't know, probably 12 years or so.
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And yet somehow the family found me through my YouTube videos and they reached out knowing
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I had formerly been his therapist and he was really scared of death.
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And so I was able to go into the VA while he was on hospice and sit with him and his
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family and it was very interesting because they were devoutly religious and I always
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mirror the environment I'm in out of reverence.
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So I don't want to come in there like with all my crystals and tuning forks and scare
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them.
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Okay.
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At the same token, there's certain things that really help the situation.
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So I used my knowledge of the Bible and Catholicism to discuss it very openly with them what
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I was going to do and how we could integrate Catholic ritual into it should they choose
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and they did choose this.
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And their son had been in Vietnam, had really suffered PTSD since he'd come back the entirety
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of his life and medication had not made it better.
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And this was, they called him a son, but it's like an adopted son, like younger people
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that were caring for him, but in a parental kind of way.
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He'd had a lot of mental illness and his capacities weren't always there in the past
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15 years or so of his life.
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Yeah.
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When we began doing the rituals and he kind of recognized me on an energetic level, the
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entire vibration in the room began to shift.
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And what I love about this particular story is this family who was so initially hesitant
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about my tools and all of those things, they just fell into this synergy with me.
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And so I was just, could you say this prayer for me and can you do this?
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And we're speaking Latin together and it's getting quite intense, but there's just this
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like union again that's happening organically.
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And at that point, his oversold began to communicate with me.
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And it was such a beautiful expression of gratitude.
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I feel he never had the clarity and the mental baseline to really express so much of what
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he had been through.
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And it was beyond words, but in this portal of light that we were creating around his
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bed through this communion that our fields were bringing up with prayer and with connection
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and with love, he just released so much.
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It was like watching like a rainbow, like a double rainbow shoot out from every organ.
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I mean, he had so much stored in the liver, so much anger.
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And it came out as this like blood red and thick and tarry and then all of a sudden just
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into this rainbow light as it shot out.
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And so as I held his hand and felt that release, that peace, that contentment that arrived
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before he transitioned just like it had with my grandmother.
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And so I held his hands and at those moments because his family had become so open, I said,
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I can count you down to win his last breath if you want me to because I'm watching the
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field and it's very obvious that his organs are about to expire.
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He's about to go.
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And they said, please do.
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And so we sang some shamanic songs together and I just allowed the soul to release.
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And it was just so beautiful to be in a space for me as a practitioner and a trauma survivor
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and a former Catholic.
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That was very healing just for me to be in that communion with them and to co-create
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in connection without an agenda from both of our knowings, from both of our traditions
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and knowing that it's all held by the eternal.
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It's all held by love.
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And so that family became part of how I became doing death dola work because they started
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telling everybody about their son and he's smiling.
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And that is something I've seen with many shared death experiences while the person
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suffered so much in the incarnation.
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There's this moment where there's just like this very mild but very deep smile that comes
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upon many of them right before they release.
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And so to see him like that, I mean, there are certain clients you work with over your
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trajectory as a therapist that you never see in an elated state.
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You never see them not suffering.
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The E was one of those persons.
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I had seen and witnessed him for so long, but he was always in such profound pain.
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So to just see that moment and to see those rainbows, those magical healing bomb rainbows
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was a great, great gift.
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And that's when I was like, wow, you can blend all these religions and all these traditions
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and all these ceremonies and you can offer something that might not otherwise be available
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and it's a great support to the grieving.
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And that's the beautiful thing is when I do death work with persons, they have the capacity
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to reach out with me and then we can do integrative sessions after to process what came up in
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that room to talk about some of what might be arising and that holding space afterward
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is really supportive for persons who don't have my gifts, but who felt something change
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in that room.
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So, and there are different kinds of shared death experiences.
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Some people have told me about ones that they've had where they weren't with the person.
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They were even maybe a thousand miles away.
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I can speak to that briefly.
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The things that scared my parents, like the most horrific one, I believe in my mom's
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eyes was a shared death communication that happened when I was nine years old.
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And I'll never forget it because the angelics love to communicate through images and numbers
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and song.
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And the song yesterday by the Beatles came on and I was singing along to it and all of
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a sudden I just started weeping and my mom's looked at me and I go, the phone's gonna ring,
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he's gone.
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That's all I said.
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And then she looked at me and I go, it's your Aunt Betty, PAPAP just died.
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And it just came out of me like, boom, my mom looks at me scared.
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She then picks up the phone, sure enough, it's her Aunt Betty and my grandfather just
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died.
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And she just went to her room and sobbed, but I got the message as a nine year old
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child that I had done something really wrong.
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I felt like I compounded her grief at that particular instant.
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Caught to many years later in 2003 when I was graduating my undergrad, my grandmother
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on my maternal side, we are incredibly close.
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I still work with her all the time in the ancestral realms, but she had had a stroke
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the day I went to college and she died the day I graduated.
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And she had fallen ill as I'm in my graduation ceremony and we're trying to get tickets and
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fly east and all of this stuff is happening.
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I wasn't able to get on the plane, they only had two tickets and my mom and dad went.
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And so I'm in my apartment and my brother and a bunch of people are visiting and at
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six in the morning I wake up and I just start sobbing.
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Again, same presentation.
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I start sobbing.
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And my brother comes out and I go, grandma just died.
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And he's like, you're just having a bad dream.
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Go back to sleep.
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Two seconds later, the phone rang and sure enough, she had just transitioned.
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So those two stories both happened before my NDE, but there was an awareness of a beloved
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transitioning moments before it actually happened.
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So somewhere in the auric or spiritual realms, I felt it before it physically happened.
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Let me make sure I'm clear.
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This was a different grandma than the one that you were with when she transitioned.
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Yeah, my paternal grandmother is the shared death experience that I'm physically with.
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It's my maternal where this one happened.
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Okay, last thing for anybody that may be in a situation where they have someone who is
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going to use your term and I like it, transition maybe sometime kind of soon.
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What advice do you have for them?
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Really sitting with the emotions.
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When we know it's inevitable that someone's about to go, there are two tendencies and most
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are oriented towards all or nothing behavior.
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It's to ruminate on it and just make yourself miserable by death, impending, ah, what do
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I do?
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I'm so scared.
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I'm terrified.
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That fear of the void, that fear of being gobbled up by the pain is so present for some that
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they get engulfed by it.
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Okay.
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And then there's others who just push it away and pretty much bypass the reality of what's
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happening.
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Grief is meant to be a wave.
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It is meant to be an ocean.
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And there are many, many, many drops within that emotion.
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And none of those drops are wrong.
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But the best thing you can do is move with the water.
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If you resist it, it will persist, it will be like you are stuck in a riptide and you
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cannot get out.
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However, if you allow the tide to carry you, you will ultimately reach the shore.
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You have to allow.
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There is grace in surrender, particularly when it comes to grief and death.
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And like you say, there's a wave of emotions.
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And we can be happy and thrilled even for that person that is moving on while we're
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being sad for ourselves that we're going to miss them.
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Absolutely.
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Even with my grandmother and the shared death experience, the paternal grandmother, I was
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deeply happy for her, but I was also pregnant with my first born son and I wanted her to
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meet him.
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You know, there's that like very human, don't leave me at the same token.
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There's this part of like, please go, please be with bliss and peace and God.
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I think she met him.
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Yes, I know she did.
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I know she did.
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And he's the blessing of being an intuitive as well, which, you know, I felt so alone
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when I was a child as a highly sensitive, intuitive, an empath, an artist in a family
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that was not anything like that.
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And I used to pray when I was in church, I would genuflect and show my respect and,
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dear God, please give me an intuitive sibling and, you know, someone that understands me
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because no one in my family gets me.
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And I used to think God didn't answer my prayers, but piggying back to what we shared
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in the last episode, those two lights I made on the way out were my sons.
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And it wasn't until the birth of my eldest who was in utero then, when they took him
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out and they handed him to me, I saw that indigo aura from the other side.
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And when he was three, I knew he was an intuitive and I kept telling people that are, you know,
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are open to it.
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I know he's an intuitive, but I don't want to indoctrinate him.
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I don't want to turn it into what happened to me with religion.
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So if he comes to me, we'll speak about it organically as it unfolds.
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When he was three years old, we're reading a nighttime story about stars and he interrupts
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me very softly and he goes, thank you, mama.
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I go, for what?
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And he goes, for choosing me in the stars.
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I'm the blue one.
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And at that point I was like mind blown.
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And it just continued, Eric, when the pandemic began, I'm weeping, trying to tell a six year
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old what's going on.
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At the same time, I'm leaving dad and it's very emotional.
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And he looks at me and he goes, mom, mom, mom, you know, we have some of the same teams.
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He goes, they're calling it the great undoing.
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It's what we came here for.
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It's all going to fall apart.
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And that's when we get to rebuild it.
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Don't worry.
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I'm all like, where did you come from?
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But it's been such a blessing to have an intuitive child after my history.
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And it's the gift from the other side quite literally, but it's also been so amazing to
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see my grandparents live through him as he lives in resonance to his gifts and expresses
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them and does not live in shame and does not cower and steps into his power as a now young
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man as he's becoming one.
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It's just such a gift and you really see that circle of life and how all of these stories
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and ties come forward through each new generation.
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Thank you so much for sharing all this with me today.
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Appreciate it, Brooke.
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You're so welcome, Eric.
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Thank you.
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