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From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.
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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.
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And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my
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physical body because I was somewhere else.
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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
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anything else to be felt.
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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.
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I'm back home again.
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Incredibly safe and felt at home.
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Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody.
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And I would like to welcome all the way from Orlando, Florida, our special guest today,
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Brian Jackson and Rudy.
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We can't see Rudy.
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There he is.
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Get him up there.
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Wave, little buddy.
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For those that are listening to the audio-only version of the podcast, they can't see.
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Cute little Rudy.
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What kind of dog is he, Brian?
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Rudy's a little Chihuahua.
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He's about 16 years old.
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He has a lot of gray.
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I was wondering how old he is.
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Yes, we're running the same lifeline.
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You two kind of match each other a little bit.
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Well, hey, before we jump into your NDE, and I'm going to give people a little heads up
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on this one.
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We have had hellish experiences on the show before.
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This one's not as scary as some of those, but it's also not all roses and corn flakes
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and unicorns or however we describe that nowadays.
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It's not the happiest thing in the world, but I think we can always find a happy ending,
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can't we?
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That's right.
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Tell us about you, Brian.
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I live in just south of Orlando, Florida, living in a community, Davenport, Florida.
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I work for one of the theme parks down here driving a bus.
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I have one of the most incredible jobs in the whole wide world.
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I am living a life that's beyond my dreams, and it's a life that I never could have designed.
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I'm married.
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We've been married for about 43 years.
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Sweet darling golly.
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I couldn't have picked any better.
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We've been here probably about 13, 14 years, and I grew up in central Alabama anyway.
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Hobbies are things like antique cars and stuff like that, mowing the grass, eating dinner.
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What an awesome attitude.
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I love it.
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Everything is perfect in your life.
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When you said that you worked at one of the theme parks, I had you pictured for playing
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Gaston.
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How's that?
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That would be good.
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I'm not quite as muscular.
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I might have the attitude if called off.
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I was trying to build you up a little bit.
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I was really the beast.
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You were the beast.
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All right.
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I was the beast, yeah.
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I want to jump into this.
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We're going to go back quite a few years here.
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Your life was not in such a good place back then.
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Go ahead and just give us a little background.
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What was your life like so that we know what led up to this experience?
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Early on, I remember at about four years old, my mother used to, she'd put on 45 records
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of gospel singing, and that's what she would do to keep me busy.
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I would sit and listen to those.
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As a matter of fact, most of what I would listen to is Tennessee Ernie Ford.
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Funny thing, listening to him.
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He was, Tennessee Ernie Ford was a bass singer.
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At four years old, I learned the bass part.
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I've only discovered that in the last few years.
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I've been a bass singer for years, forever.
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But anyway, that's what I remember.
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I remember hearing the voice of God.
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I remember that still small voice.
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Then as life progressed on, I was in a very deeply religious atmosphere where my dad was,
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he was one of the leaders of the church.
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I just remember, and all of this has really come back to me just in the last few years,
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that his description of who God is in the organization that we were in was totally different
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from what I understood from my own personal experience.
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But I was not in a place where I could decide for myself.
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So a lot of the teaching that I got twisted and bent, who my understanding of who God
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is.
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And I found myself through my life actually running away, trying to get away from the
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God who I've misunderstood.
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At about 17 years old, my parents divorced.
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My world seemed to begin to implode.
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I started experimenting with drugs and alcohol.
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I had a bluegrass band there in central Alabama.
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So several friends of us, we were doing pretty good.
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And within about four years, when I was about, I guess about 19 years old, or 79, we won
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a band contest.
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And I'm drinking pretty heavy at the time, still running from God.
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We won this contest that took us to Nashville, Tennessee.
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And we met several celebrities there.
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And eventually we were invited to play on Grand LaBri.
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And I'd say about four or five months after that invitation, the band imploded, I left
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the band, got married in 81, and I never got to have that part of a dream.
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And so how could a loving God do something like that to me?
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So I just, I kept drifting away.
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And then not only just drifting, I was running.
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At 33 years old, I found myself in a place where I could not function.
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I was sent to an alcohol rehab center.
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And I was tricked into that because I didn't have an alcohol problem.
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I had a living problem.
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I got off of the alcohol just long enough to find out that I really had no ambition.
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There was no direction.
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I had pretty much gotten to the place to where, if there is a God, he doesn't want anything
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to do with me just through a series of events that led into my NDE.
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It almost sounds like you were blaming God for leaving you.
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Wasn't it maybe the other way around?
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That's the way I saw it, but that's not the way it was.
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That's the way I saw it at the time.
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It was his fault that I was so miserable.
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And I don't want to have anything to do with somebody or something that's making me miserable.
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It was a great misunderstanding of the God that I knew when I was small.
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Let's jump a little bit forward to the NDE part.
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What happened on that particular day?
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So March the 5th of 1993.
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Actually I went into treatment on February the 22nd of 1993, and that's my last drink
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that day.
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March the 5th, I've left home.
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I'm staying in a hotel that a friend of mine owns that's on the outskirts of town.
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I'm in a 10 by 10 room.
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And these people that I'm talking to have suggested that I eat three meals a day and
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understanding that I've been on a liquid diet for a while.
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So I'm trying to do that.
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And I'm at a truck stop about a mile away from the hotel.
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And I'm having my square meal for dinner.
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And I realized that my vision was beginning to close in on me from the peripheral vision
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was going away.
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And I thought, boy, I might better get myself back to the hotel.
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Because if I'm going blind, this is not going to be good.
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So I got back to the hotel and I looked in the mirror.
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And it was the most awful sight that I remember is burned in my brain.
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I looked in my own eyes and it was dark.
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The light had gone out.
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And I sat there and I thought, you know what?
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I really, I can't do this anymore.
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I don't have anything left in me to push forward.
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This is it.
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I don't want to live anymore, which which I discovered is I lost the will to live.
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I do not want to live.
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Suicide had been an option, but I was afraid that I would hurt myself and then have to,
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you know, go through life with some disability.
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So I just would never do that.
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But now I'm in a place where I just don't want to live anymore.
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And so I crawled into the bed.
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I pulled the covers over my head.
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I do remember I was trying to find the time reference for all of this.
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The sun was was beginning to go down.
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It would have probably been late afternoon.
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I pulled the covers over my head and I quit.
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I don't know if it was a clinical death.
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I can't tell you if my body died.
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I don't know.
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I do know that my spirit was done.
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My mind had gone to a place where there was nothing left and my body was just it quit.
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And then I remember a noise and it was it was dark as I recall.
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It was just darker than than you can imagine dark.
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So there's nothing to see.
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And I remember this noise.
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And so in the sound business, we call it paint noise, white noise, gray noise, whatever,
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you know, to to the layman, I would say it would be like standing close to a jet engine.
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It was every sound frequency from high to low.
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And it was so loud that I couldn't I couldn't hear myself think there was nothing.
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And there was a fleeting moment where I thought I know where I am and I'm in hell.
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But there's no way out because I've never been told.
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I mean, this is it.
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There are no friends.
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There are there is no love.
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There is no light.
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There is no joy.
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There is no peace.
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It is nothing.
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It's kind of like what I was describing to you earlier as we started it.
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If you took a mason jar and pulled everything out of the jar with a vacuum and sealed it
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shut, how do you describe what is in the jar?
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And it is nothing.
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So for me, that was my experience of being in hell and knowing that I'm there.
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Here's the odd thing.
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I didn't care.
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I pretty much knew where I was and I really I didn't care.
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Wow.
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Did you feel like you were going to be there forever?
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That was it.
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I knew and I didn't care.
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Some people talk to me about a thing called the that's known as the void, which is just
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a place where it's usually their experiences that it's very dark.
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There's just nothing there.
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It varies.
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Some people don't see anything, but they kind of feel life around them.
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It can actually be a good thing.
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I know you said you were in hell.
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Do you think it could have been this void that other people have mentioned?
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Well, I think they're one and the same for me.
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It is the total absence of God in anything that has to do with His goodness.
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It is not there.
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There apparently to me is a place like what is described in the beginning.
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God created the heaven and the earth and it was without void, which to me means there
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was a void before He did the creation.
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And I don't think He's finished creating, which means there still is a void to me,
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which is where I went.
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That's interesting.
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Well, I guess a good definition of hell would be the lack of God.
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He's not there.
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Yeah.
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But there's always a but.
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A friend of mine who was a counselor told me he said at some point in your life, you'll
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get at the foot of your bed and you'll ask God for help.
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And let me tell you, Eric, I have nothing to lose.
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There is nothing.
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I have nothing to lose.
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And when the thought crossed my mind, I debated it.
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It's hard to understand that there's no real thoughts going through here, but this suggestion
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has come in.
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And I don't really, from my teaching, there's no way out of this.
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It's over.
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And so I have nothing to lose, whatever.
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I don't believe that anything is going to happen.
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I just know that that little suggestion became the smallest piece of hope.
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And so I crawled out of bed and I got on my knees and I said, God, I can't do this anymore.
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And everything went totally silent.
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The noise stopped.
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I opened my eyes and the sun had been down for, I don't know how long.
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It was probably nine or 10 o'clock at night.
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So we're talking about a five, maybe a five or six hour period of time.
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If I had to try to find how long this lasted, the light was on in the room.
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I don't remember turning the light on the room.
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I don't remember it being on.
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And the light was on in the room and the noise stopped.
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And then I heard the still small voice that I would hear when I was four.
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And he said, go see Wayne.
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Wayne's the guy that owns a hotel.
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Okay.
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I know who I hear.
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I know that I'm not where I was.
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And I'm not sure about where this is going, but it has to be better than where I just
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left.
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So I go sit down and I see Wayne in the lobby office there and he's reading his, his deceased
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father's large print Bible and the words that he, that it's open to jump off the page.
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And they tell me where I've been, where I am and where I'm going and my life has not
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been the same sense.
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What really thrills me, especially these days is when I go to the IAINDS conventions and
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I hear people talk about being in the light and being in heaven and being in joy and
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being in music and being in the sunlight.
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And I know what that feels like because I've been in the darkest place and just their description,
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I can see it.
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That's beautiful.
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A couple of other questions.
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And I believe everything that you're telling me.
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Some people might ask, how do you know you weren't just asleep and having a bad dream?
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It's a good question.
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What difference does it make?
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You could call it a spiritual experience.
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You could call it a spiritual awakening, which for me was my spirit woke up from a dead place
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in a, and when it woke up, I was in a dead place.
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I wasn't in a place where there is no like, joy, peace, wonderful, nothing, no light,
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nothing.
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I don't get into the details about whether or not I was clinically dead.
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I do mention it to you because it is a question that has come up.
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You can decide for yourself.
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What I'm describing is, is what I experienced.
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It's kind of like taking somebody to the Grand Canyon and having them to tow up to the edge
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and say, tell me what you see.
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Nice analogy.
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How did this whole experience change your life?
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It changed everything about me.
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I am not running from, I am running to.
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And all of this happened in 93.
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So I didn't talk about this very much, you know, for 25 years.
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I discover I ends by accident somehow.
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And you know, there's no such thing as an accident.
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And I discover there are people like me, there are a few who have these negative experiences
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and dark experiences, if you want to call it hellish, whatever.
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And it seems most of the hellish experiences have a lot of differences, not only in how
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they got there, but what your description is.
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To me, it's like, you know, everybody has different fingerprints.
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You know, my fingerprints are different from yours, but I have fingerprints.
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And my, my experience with my death experience is somewhat different from the others.
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But what I have heard is the despair and the lack of joy and the lack of a future, anything.
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And to go from that to where I am today is, is an absolute miracle.
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And I didn't do it because I'm not supposed to be here.
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I'm supposed to be dead by the direction that I was headed.
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I came down to a choice and I made a choice to not stay.
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I don't know if everybody gets that opportunity or even if they take it.
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That's kind of why I talk about it today, because it's not over and it's not said and
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done until it's said and done.
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You know, if somebody asked me, they said, what would you tell the listener if they found
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themselves in a place that you describe?
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And it's easy.
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Get on your knees and ask for help, even if you don't believe.
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So that's, I mean, that's where I'm coming from.
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As far as changing my life, I see people walking around on this earth in that dead space just
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before they quit.
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And I look for them.
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And that's part of what I have been given as a gift, if you will, for where I am today.
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It doesn't mean that I do anything about it every time, but the empathy that I have today
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for people who are struggling with whatever it is, if it's something with the um or outside
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of the whatever it is, I have the ability today to look in somebody's eyes and I see
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it.
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I can see the light or I can see the dark.
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And I have to ask my God, am I supposed to say or do anything or not?
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You've mentioned Ions a couple of times.
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New listeners here probably don't know what that is.
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You and I both do.
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In fact, you're wearing your t-shirt from Arizona.
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I was down there in the heat too at the end of August this year.
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Tell people what Ions is and how it helped you.
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And this is not an ad for Ions, by the way.
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They don't pay me anything for this.
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Well it's part of our experience.
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It's really how we have connected you and I.
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But Ions is an international association where people have had either light or dark
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experiences.
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They've died on the operating table.
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They've died in automobile accidents for whatever.
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Ions is from what I have seen is where consciousness continues after the body and the mind have
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stopped.
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There's no brainwaves.
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Most of these people tell stories about they see themselves.
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They see themselves on the operating table.
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They remember conversations.
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I am fascinated by that stuff and telling specifics about what happened and then coming
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back to tell about it.
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And some of the experiences where they actually get to go to the place where the light is
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and just before they're able to actually be able to stay, they're either told that they
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have to come back or they're given the choice to come back and tell about it.
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For me, everybody who has had a near-death experience, an NDE, I was tasked with telling
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it because my experience is so, so different.
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It's one of those where I'm really beginning to believe that most people who have an experience
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like I did won't talk about it so they keep it to themselves and struggle.
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That's really true.
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There's a lot of that.
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Whether it's scary to talk about, embarrassing to talk about, or whatever, the negative experiences,
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a lot more people have them than we think because they don't want to talk about them.
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Now, you mentioned how your experience was so different.
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There's also some similarities.
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First of all, people that have a wonderful heavenly go-to-the-light kind of experience,
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those are all different too, as well as the distressing ones like yours.
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Those are different from each other.
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Here's one thing that I find is a real huge commonality.
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People like you that had a distressing experience, you do not want to stay there.
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You do not want it to keep going.
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Correct?
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That's correct.
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People that have a beautiful experience, a heavenly kind of experience, they do want
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it to go on.
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They do want it to last forever.
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If they need to come back, they have a hard time making that decision or committing to
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it.
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It's a very difficult thing to come back.
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We don't hear about the people that are over there and have a decision and choose to stay
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because they're not around for us to talk about, but I know it's an awful lot of them.
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Yes.
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Do you have any thoughts on that?
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I have a friend that I met at the last convention and she and I met by chance.
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We were introduced to each other.
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We were standing in a hallway there talking about our experiences and when I would talk
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about something, her mouth would fly open and she would talk about her experience and
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my mouth would fly open.
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We have discovered that our life line from beginning to this day are polar opposites.
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She loved God.
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She was so in love with God, had the NDE, so she tells me and she struggles today because
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she's not in the place that she went to.
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Kind of like what you're talking about.
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My mind was a run away from and I succeeded, went to the darkest place that's ever imaginable,
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even worse than imaginables and I'm here and I am loving life to the fullest.
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She and I are talking about maybe trying to come up with something for the IAINS convention
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where we can share our stories and show how they are so opposite, but we're working on
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that.
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I heard this time at the convention, I heard so many people who are struggling with having
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to come back.
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What they experienced is where they wanted to be and stay and they're not there.
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I hear that a lot.
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I'm a lot of people that have such a wonderful experience there, it's really difficult to
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come back.
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One of the things that can help a lot is having somebody to talk to about it.
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But who do you talk to?
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Maybe at a bad traffic accident or something, your doctor doesn't know how to talk to you
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about it.
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Your nurse doesn't know.
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There are a few therapists out there that get it, have training in this or experience
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in it, but most don't.
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That's one of the things that, again, I'm not doing a sales pitch for IAINS, but that's
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one of the things that I find it can be very, very helpful for people.
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It's almost like a giant group therapy session.
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It is that in a lot of ways, yeah.
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If you or somebody that you know is struggling with either what happened to me, I don't get
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it, I don't know how to process it, or I'm back and I'm really struggling being back.
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My whole life is changing because I'm a different person.
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I think IAINS can be a good place to start.
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You don't have to go to the national conference.
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There is one every year, but there are local groups all over the country.
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So just look up IAINDS.org, International Association for Neurodeath Studies.
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Highly recommend them.
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Go there.
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Do some exploration.
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So really IAINDS is more about a connection in the spirit than it is in the mind and body.
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And a psychiatrist, unless he's had an NDE, near-death experience, is going to have a
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difficult time with it.
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And the physicians, they don't understand it because how can the body die and somebody
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tell a story about what happened to them?
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It doesn't make sense.
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The scary and the hard part about being able to talk about it, like you say, is finding
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somebody to talk to because they lock people like me up.
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Oh boy, this one's crazy.
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And we need to put him away because this is nuts.
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And so even if you've had an experience like what we're talking about and have been told
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by a psychiatrist or a doctor, you need to keep that to yourself, there's a lot of us
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in IAINDS that have been told that.
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Don't talk about this.
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That was drug induced or that was not real.
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And there are studies today.
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There are doctors, even doctors who have had near-death experiences that are explaining
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the brain was dead.
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The body was dead for a period of time.
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And they talk about things that are of the spirit and then come back.
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And that's the hard part.
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Finding somebody to talk to, you really have to do a diligent search and be careful who
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you talk to.
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But IAINDS is a great, it's the only place, one of the only places that I would talk about
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it other than with you, Eric.
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Thanks.
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Well, it is a very, very safe place.
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That's one of the things about the conventions is that it's like this giant love fest, everybody
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is just so non-judgmental.
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There are lots of different beliefs and religious backgrounds and all kinds of other things.
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And it doesn't matter.
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Everybody skits along and helps each other out.
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But I think getting back to what you were saying a minute ago, I think it's sad that
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the medical scientific field, they can't even agree on a definition of what death is.
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Is it when your heart stops?
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Is it when your brain stops?
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Or is it if you never come back, then you're dead?
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In other words, if your heart stops, but you come back a half hour later, you weren't dead
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in the first place.
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There's no way to explain it.
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But it's been going on for centuries.
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Absolutely.
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Yes.
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Somebody that we're going to have on the show hopefully pretty soon, Dr. Jeff Adriskel,
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he's an ER doc that has studied this.
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And one of the things that came out in his most recent research was the number of people
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that are having near-death experiences is flabbergasting.
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It is amazing how many there are.
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And I don't have the numbers in front of me.
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I know if you were in that session, it was something like 15 million people a year.
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It was this huge amount.
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I would believe that.
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So these things are actually very, very common.
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We think they're so uncommon, they're not.
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They're common.
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It's okay to talk about them.
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It's okay if you don't understand.
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But let's bring these things into the normal sphere, shall we say, to make up a new term.
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And be open and talk about them.
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And I appreciate that you're willing to.
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Thank you.
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It's an honor really to go from the worst place.
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And I don't worry about dying.
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I'm not afraid to die.
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I've already done it once.
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And I talked to a friend of mine who said, you know, even if I ended up in hell again,
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I know how to get back out.
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So I'm not that concerned about it.
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Right now, I'm spending time inviting people to the table.
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There's so much.
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There's so much to gather from those of us who have been to places that we've only, you
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know, read or heard about.
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Well, you just answered one of my questions.
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I love to ask people about their fear of death because usually from experiencers, it is zero.
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Yes.
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Is that where yours is at?
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Zero.
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And as a matter of fact, two years ago, my mother's sister, my aunt, we pretty much adopted
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her.
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She was in her nineties and she was about to run out of money.
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She was no family except for me.
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And so I invited her to come live with us here in Florida.
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And she thrived for a year and a half until she decided it was time to go.
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And she died here at my house.
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And that she taught me about the process of actually dying because I listened to her.
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The last thing she told me, she said, I'm okay.
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She knew where she was going and she was not afraid of it.
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What we saw was the physical anxiety of actually dying.
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That was hard for her because you don't know what it's going to feel like until you've
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been there.
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It might be different this next time around for me, but I'm not, I do not question the
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afterlife.
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I do not.
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I'm seeing glimpses of it here.
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I think it's okay to have a little bit of fear of what the process may be like because
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there may be some pain.
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There may be some unpleasant things.
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And so what you're talking about as far as not being afraid of death is really knowing
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there's an afterlife, knowing that it's going to be better.
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And I can tell the way that you've lived your life ever since this happened around 30 years
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ago, you're not going back to that same place.
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There's no way.
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It's going to be a great experience next time around.
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You're going to want to stay.
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I know it.
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And, you know, if I get to go and come back and tell about it, that, yeah, but I'm living
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vicariously of people who have had the light, the good experiences.
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Being a musician, I look forward to the music.
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I can't wait for that.
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I hear, you know, I hear glimpses of that here in my heart, in my spirit.
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I believe that a lot of the composers who are long gone and some that are still composing
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today, that is, it's divinely inspired in its pieces of what it'll be, what we'll hear.
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I'm not going to get into any specifics because it's my opinion, but, but I look forward to
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that.
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I get to go see my granddaddy.
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I look forward to seeing him.
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What's his name?
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His name is Henry Eugene Jackson, senior.
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He was my hero.
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Well, someday in the distant future from now, will you introduce me to him?
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Yes.
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Oh, gosh, yes.
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I can't wait to meet him.
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All right.
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One last thought.
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You've been such a wonderful breath of fresh air and positively positive.
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I appreciate it so very much.
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Why don't you leave everybody with just a thought for the day?
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A thought for the day?
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Yeah.
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Make somebody's day a little bit better right now.
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Whatever troubles you have, whatever you're going through, don't do it by yourself.
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I heard the mind that caused all this trouble can't fix it, whatever it is.
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If you're struggling with an NDE, find us.
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We'll be in Chicago Labor Day for the IONS convention.
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In 2025 to clarify.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And if it was a good experience, share that too, especially for people like me.
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You don't know who you run into.
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If we look for each other, we'll find each other.
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This is a great platform that you have.
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And I'm grateful for the opportunity.
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There is hope in a hopeless situation.
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It just seems hopeless.
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Just don't do it alone.
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Brian, thank you so much.
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I appreciate it.
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Rudy's off running around now, but thank Rudy too.
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Yes.
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Thank you.
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Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast.
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Don't forget to hit the follow or subscribe button and sign up for our newsletter at roundtriptest.com.
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If you want to share your near death experience, or if you have questions or comments about
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the show, send an email to Eric at roundtriptest.com.
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Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.
