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From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.
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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.
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And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my
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physical body because I was somewhere else.
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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
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anything else to be felt.
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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.
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I'm back home again.
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Incredibly safe and felt at home.
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Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody, and a special welcome from way out in Long
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Island.
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Jacob Cooper, good morning, Jacob.
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Good morning, Eric.
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You know, it's a pleasure to be on your podcast.
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I love the work that you do.
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Well, thank you.
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And I had a friend, a good friend once upon a time from Long Island only.
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He pronounced it Long Island.
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Yeah, there's a lot of heavy accents around here.
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I hope I don't come off too strong within any conversation.
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My hope is to come off as neutral as possible, but you know, you could take the man out of
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the Long Islander, but I guess the Long Islander can't come out of the man.
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So some of that always comes out.
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Don't pretend, let it all out.
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We love it.
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Hey, before we jump into your near-death experience, I would love for our listeners to come out
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and get to know you a little bit.
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If you would just take one minute and give us a little bit of background, who is Jacob?
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Oh, wow, gosh, that's a very deep question.
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It's an evolving answer by the minute, by the day, but I try to stay as someone who
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is here to hopefully help others remember who they are.
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I'm always asked how I want to be remembered, and I think myself it's not that important.
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It's more so, I guess, through the work that people are able to remember how unique, special,
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and hopefully eternal.
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We all are, and certainly having a profound end to E at a young age.
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Put me in that pathway, but I also work in the mental health field as a therapist.
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I do a lot of hypnotherapists, and I'm sure we'll discuss some of the particulars of hypnosis
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that I utilize as well as a lot of public speaking, and I've written two published books.
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At the right, around the age of 32 years old, both books were published, and so I'm working
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on a third book to come, but I guess I'm someone who just likes to generate the hope past the
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pain and to derive inspiration as much as I can in times of need and hopefully more of
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a unity and empowerment to those that I come into cross with.
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Well, you're being very humble.
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I know you're a best-selling author.
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Go ahead and plug your two books.
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Give us the names.
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Well, sure, and maybe I could try the visuals.
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Well, the first book that I wrote is Life After Breath, and the second book is The Wisdom
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of Jacob Slatter, and both are available on Amazon, Paperback, Kindle, as well as Audio.
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My first book was endorsed by my good friend Dr. Ima Moody.
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He was one of the individuals, if you don't know who coined the term, near-death experience
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in his best-selling book, Life After Life from the 70s.
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The Life After Breath is more of what I call my karma or the story of my near-death experience,
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and The Wisdom Jacob Slatter includes some of the karma, but it's more about the dharma,
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which is to me the meaning, the essence of the lessons of my near-death experience.
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So they're both helpful for a lot of viewers, a lot of readers, rather than I've gotten
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a lot of nice feedback and emails for the most part.
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So again, it's just a pleasure to give something back.
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And I don't know about you, Eric, but I think there's a big correlation between pain and
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purpose.
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And when I was in my late teens and early 20s, I probably lived mostly in the library, or
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at least reading books, that anything I'd get my hands on that was inspiring, that was
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uplifting, I'd want to delve into.
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And it came when I was just at a lot of times moments of uncertainty and when I felt very
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low and I said, to my thought to myself, geez, I don't want to be buried in a cemetery.
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I want to be buried on these shelves with these authors and my books to be there.
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And hopefully down the road, they'll still have libraries when I'm at that old age.
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But I think really we're here to make a ripple effect in our lives.
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And you're doing that every time a podcast comes out.
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And just by being used, thank you for the great work that you're doing, getting this
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information out to the public, you're really making a ripple effect.
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Well, and I'm glad you mentioned Dr. Moody.
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He's been on the show.
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He is awesome.
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He's getting up there in years, but he still has plenty of energy.
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He was rocking so fast that the microphone almost couldn't pick him up.
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And I know Ians is doing some kind of a documentary about him this year.
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So we're looking forward to that also.
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Is that right?
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Yeah, new news to me.
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I didn't hear that, but well deserved for sure.
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Yeah.
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Well, this is the 50th anniversary of the book and him coining the term near death experience.
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So anyway, let's jump right into it.
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And your experience happened when you were very young.
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And one of the things I'm going to be asking you in a minute is how do you even remember
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it from three years old?
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So lead us, tell us what happened, what led up to it?
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Absolutely, Eric.
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Well, September of 1993, to give my age away.
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I was just the young age of three years old.
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At this time, I didn't know this or none of my family knew this.
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I had a condition called whooping cough, otherwise known as pertussis, which for those familiar
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with it medically, I mean, it could be fatal or very detrimental to one's health, particularly
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if you're an infant or child or even in an adult years, you know, if left untreated.
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I had whooping cough, didn't know this, went to a playground with family friends.
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And this is kind of the short of it, the more extended versions are, I was included in my
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books, but I climbed a ladder, going to a slide, just began to suffocate due to this
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coughing spree.
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Everything in my brain and my body just shut down.
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As if you're in a basement and if you're a homeowner, you can understand, just shut
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off one unit at a time and there's nothing you can do.
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The units are just shutting off.
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You're very powerless to it.
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And then all of a sudden, my body I just knew was not working.
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So rather than being in a car that's not going to start or not going to work, you know, I
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just was able to leave my body and I was able to have awareness of it physiologically.
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Then all of a sudden I felt my brain and I just saw that it was deprived of oxygen,
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just felt it just slowly just going away.
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Then all of a sudden I felt this large crack within my brain due to the deprivation of
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oxygen.
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And there's a saying in the English language that says, my brain cracked open and God came
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in.
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And this literally happened to me.
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This wasn't some euphemism where I felt my brain just completely crack open.
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And that's when everything opened up.
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I had a lot of the classical, euphoric, near-death-experience, mystical experience that Raymond Moody highlights
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in his book, including tunnel, feeling euphoric, you know, rising up, feeling vibrations.
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Things around me, spirit guides that I was able to see, soul family members, awareness
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of past lives, premonitions of the work that I would do.
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So it was a tremendous panoramic viewpoint of the life that I lived that included past
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lives as well as this potential journey that I was going to continue on, you know, in my
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life as a three-year-old moving forward.
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But it certainly is profound and obviously if you get more and some of the finer details
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of it regarding, you know, one of your first questions as to how this is able to be remembered.
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There's several points of reference that I could point to.
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Certainly within my credibility as a mental health therapist, I could point to the traumatic
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conditions at play for those who might have competency of trauma, they'll understand that
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trauma has a disassociative component, meaning that something is so profound for your mind
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or in this case spirit to hold on to, that it just kind of shields itself from remembering
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it due to protection.
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But eventually that could come out within the right timing.
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More trauma could have the clearest of recall, you know, as if there hasn't been any time
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and space from that event.
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And certainly I don't want to sugarcoat it as beautiful and euphoric as my ND was in
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crossing over to the other side.
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It was as equally as scary and traumatic through suffocation and losing all of control of my
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own human breath.
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But I think that was a gift in a way, that was a gift beyond the trauma, the ability
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to remember it, as well as this was an experience that went beyond the production or the storage
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of my finite brain.
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As I said before, my brain was totally deprived of oxygen, had zero functioning whatsoever.
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And so this was really a subconscious experience of my higher mind and soul.
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And so there are people that I work with now, we'll get into this, who have memories that
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go far beyond this lifetime.
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You know, so too many memory does not have an expiration date.
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Oftentimes kids in fact are able to remember a lot more of events prior to coming to this
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body because they're less in their, I would say analytical minds or linear minds in the
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more in tune with their spirits, which just gets here from the other side.
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But yes, there's a certain cut off of amnesia that a lot of people have usually around age
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five or six where they forget a lot of things.
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So I know I impact a lot over there, but yeah, be feel free to fire away with questions
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or any of the skeptics point of view will do the best we can.
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I don't necessarily cynics because that's nearly that's almost impossible to move, but
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skeptics is a very healthy place to start with.
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Well, I don't want to jump into skeptic mode.
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I rarely do that anyway, because I tend to believe the people that I have on the show
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here, but I do want lots more detail.
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You gave a great summary, but start from the beginning and I realize it would probably
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take hours to fill in every detail, but you mentioned the classic things like the tunnel.
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Is that the best place to start?
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I want much more detail.
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Yeah.
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You know, Eric, to answer your question, the tunnel, I don't know necessarily if the best
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place to start, I would say the power or the pathway of surrender is the best place to start.
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I at this time was suffocated during my NDE and you could imagine like you're drowning
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and there's nothing to hold on to in oxygen.
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Being able to breathe in oxygen keeps us going in this body without it.
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What are we unless we're on some type of breathing machine or ventilator?
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That was totally deprived of me.
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There was nothing to hold on to.
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I kept on trying to struggle to breathe.
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I remember this very clearly and there was nothing to hold on to.
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It felt like I was drowning and there wasn't a log or anything to hold on to.
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All of a sudden, I just felt myself just surrendering to something else.
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In my books, I call that the breath of eternity, which to me is a light of the other side.
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It's just this power that we all have, this spark of eternity that we all have.
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Rather than trying to struggle against what was, I surrendered to this infinite power,
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this eternal power that we all have.
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Once I stopped the struggle and I surrendered, that's when I was able to really let go of
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the struggle and then euphoria opened up once I got out of this darkness of the tunnel
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and really entered the light.
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I felt my spirit rising at infinite speed and rate as if you're on a roller coaster ride
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and there's no beginning, middle, or end or limitation with how fast you're soaring on
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this ride.
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I could sense vibrations and frequencies, but the feeling that I got was, and this is
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kind of hard for viewers to understand, you see in our reality, the colors, for example,
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are limited by the rays of the sun and that's the reference that we have.
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When you're on the other side, you're not physical, you're dealing with the non-material.
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A lot of the factors that are over there are nearly impossible or very difficult to articulate,
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but I do the best I can at each dialogue or conversation that I have because that's the
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task at hand.
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But I felt this incredible euphoria and when I was able to feel this euphoric vibe, in
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our world, for instance, we're used to something happening, but we almost have a cap with how
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good we could feel because of bio-neurochemicals still.
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On the other side, there was no limitations with how euphoric and good that I felt.
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There was no limitations of that and that's hard for many to conceptualize or understand.
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We're used to like, all right, I have that great situation, but there's always seems
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to be a cap at that.
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On the other side, there was no ending of how good I was feeling.
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Like I said moments later, I was able to really get a sense and feelings on the other side.
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It was just this beautiful euphoric light realm and this high vibrational frequency.
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This earth is a lot lower of a density, a lot lower of a frequency.
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When you cross over to the other side, the vibrations are a lot more intensified.
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I think it was Albert Einstein who said, we are all just energy that could never be created
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or destroyed.
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At the end of the day, the other side is just a higher energetic frequency.
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There's a frequency of the afterlife and it's just right above this reality.
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moments later to provide a little bit more context, I felt to the right side of my brain,
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which I now know corresponds to creativity.
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I was able to see this immaculate palace behind me and this light was so bright.
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It was so bright and powerful that my spirit just almost had to shield itself because it
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was so powerful.
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I think when people think of the other side, they think you just kind of go there and you're
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already there and that's it.
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From my experience, I could say that there was a bit of an adjustment phase to crossing
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over.
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It took some time to really get familiarized with it.
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And yes, it was home, but it was such a profound transition that it took some time for my
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spirit to really get used to just in terms of its beauty, its potency from this physical
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reality.
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We're used to limited and you get to the unlimited.
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It's familiar yet at the same time overwhelming.
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When I was looking at this beautiful palace, to me, it just, I just had this knowing that
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it was a representation of the eternal creative force of all of life itself, which some people
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denote religious terms to it.
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They call it God.
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Others will call it the universe.
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Some just creation, whatever you want to label it as, your words are limiting because it
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doesn't do justice to what I saw.
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Words are almost powerful to what we have in this reality, but they cannot possibly conceptualize
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how beautiful and profound that light was.
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And instantaneously, when I was in that light, when I was looking at this palace, I was able
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to see angels around it.
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I was able to feel unconditional understanding and a lot of things dissipated all regarding
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a lot of fears that I had.
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And all of a sudden, on the other side, I felt I was able to see this, this eternal horizon
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of a sky that was in my awareness.
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I was able to feel this incredible frequency of vibration.
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And I think of reality.
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We think of reality, think of levels of vibrational frequency, think of energy.
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And this frequency was one of the highest octaves of frequency on the other side that
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was accessible.
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And this frequency was what I call the Christ frequency or the Christ consciousness that
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I was able to be tuned into.
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Bear in mind, I grew up Jewish, so certainly Jesus was Jewish as well.
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But three years old, it wasn't something that I was educated at all, ever in my background.
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So some of the things that happened in my end to go way beyond any exposure that I had,
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which isn't congruent with a lot of people who've had near-death experiences as people
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who are visually impaired all of a sudden could see or people who are auditory impaired
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could hear, I wasn't exposed to any of this stuff in my early life, but there was a deep
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familiarity.
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And then all of a sudden, I just had questions, what would my life look like and how would
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my parents deal with a kid crossing over?
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And I just wanted to know, like, this story didn't seem complete and I wanted to know
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what it would look like.
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And a lot of those fears dissipated.
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And when I was in this frequency, I had this inner knowing of all is well, was well, will
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be well, and there was no conceptualization of time.
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And this is very congruent with what Lao Tzu said that he said in the past, there's a
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lot of promoted sadness in the future, there's a lot of promoted anxiety.
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But in the present, you know, that's where you could find peace.
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And in this moment on the other side, all I felt was this infinite wave of eternal
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peace with no in this timelessness that many near death experiences talk about.
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And I just was aware that no matter what happened, there is a point where I and my parents and
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all those who knew me in this life would meet, it would be that same point, regardless of
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what happened if I decided to stay or go my near death experience that all cells would
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connect, but then I just was curious as to what my life would look like and what I why
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I'm here.
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And all of a sudden I felt my guides with me, and they came down with me and I saw it
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to the right in the left side of me, a male and female guardian angel or spirit guide.
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And it's the one detail my near death experience for whatever reason that I seem to have a
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blockage of just in terms of their members, their names.
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At the time I knew their names instantaneously and they were the most beautiful beings that
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you could ever imagine.
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But when my two primary guides were with me, I felt a sense of exhalation.
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I felt a sense of, wow, they are with us all the time and sometimes we have our blinders
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on, but life is a lot more wider and panoramic than we give it credit to.
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And my guides were with me this whole journey, you know, being, you know, this young child
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and they were there with every step, but I just had my blinders on.
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At times in my life that I forgot that and just thought that I was alone.
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Then solely I had people surrounding me at the playground that I was at and they kept
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on calling my name, but I felt to the side of myself, I felt my spirit form, my body
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was just there, irresponsive and lifeless.
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And I wanted to shake everyone from the other side to let them know that I was okay, that
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I'm fine.
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It was just a little bit of torture where I could see them and they couldn't see me,
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but then I was able to see right in front of my eyes these infinite array of angels
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that were floating right in front of me.
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And these were different than the guardian angels or spirit guides.
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It's like kind of like England, whether you want to call it England or the UK, it kind
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of describes the same place just different terms, but the angels that I saw were very
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young, very youthful.
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They're almost like infant looking in their presentation and they had a lot more uniform
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ality, whereas the spirit guides had their own distinctive characteristics.
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The angels that I saw were just the thin veil right in front of my eyes and I almost had
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to pinch myself because they were right there.
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And it's as if we have this reality and you just tune up the frequency of this reality
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a little bit.
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Angels are all around us all the time and this thin veil separation, they are with us
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all around us.
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Hundreds of thousands of angels were there and they were kind of like a golden like color,
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whereas the guides were very micro focused on myself.
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The angels that I saw were just looking in the distance.
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They weren't looking at me, but they were sending warmth and energy and love to the
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planet in the situation and they were all around us and it's just looking right at them.
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And I just had to like pinch myself because it felt too good to be true, as familiar as
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it was.
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Slowly, I was able to see a lot of beings from that came into my awareness from the
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other side.
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Some would call this the soul family, others would call it nuclear family.
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I think we're all a part of a soul family, but we all have a caste that we're a part
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of in terms of different acts, but it's all just kind of different plays that we're contracted
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to.
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We'll get into a bunch more questions later.
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I just one quick thing I wanted to ask about that.
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Did you recognize any of the people from this family?
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Did you feel like you knew them?
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Absolutely.
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And even there were individuals that I was very much, because I think people think of
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soul family as just biological people that were in your nuclear family, but a lot of
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the soul family that I was in contact with came through when I was a teacher on the other
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side and I was able to see a lot of students in that life that came through that I was
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really had a profound soul connection with in that last lifetime.
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So yes, a lot of these beings were ancestors that I knew in this life and beyond, but also
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they came from that prior life, but there was a sense of familiarity.
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But there was also a degree of shame and embarrassment to a degree because this wasn't their judgment.
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The other side, there's no judgment.
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I didn't feel that I felt they were looking up at me rather down at me.
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That's more of a human construct.
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There's a lot of dichotomy and difference between this reality and that reality where
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that reality you are loved and almost looked up to for who you are, not what you do, which
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could change minute to minute and you're constantly judged over here, but we're constantly loved
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over there and there's no limit for that.
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Your love for your being rather than your doing in a sense.
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But in terms of what I was able to see from that scene, I was also able to see spirit
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guides and angels in aura colors around all the people that were around me.
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And bear in mind, a lot of people that were with me on that day were not like the Dalai
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Lamar on face value or Gandhi.
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They were just regular CPA type people and working people.
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Looking back on that, it just reminded me that all is spiritual.
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At the end of the day, that's our core, that's our phylus.
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Remember that some are emboldened in that, some maybe forget that, but you take an orange,
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you squeeze it out, you get orange juice and you take who we are, you squeeze it out, you
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get an infinite spirit beyond a lot of the separations that some may be connecting to
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in their current life or lives.
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But there was a point in time where I just asked a simple question again, which is, why
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am I here, which is the most common question that I'm asked in any presentation that I
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do.
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And if I do stay, what is my purpose?
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What will my life look like?
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And all of a sudden, I was given what's called a life review, which many people are familiar
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with.
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I'm sure a skeptic, I'm feeling that listening would say or anyone would say, geez, that
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must have been the shortest film of all time, you're just three years old.
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What I would counter to that is, the other side is much different than this side, where
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in a sense that it's not a matter of the chronological years of our life, but rather the degree of
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life within those years.
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And so it felt like I chronologically lived through years, but those three years felt
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like a long time, just in terms of the experiences that I had, the love that I shared, the connections
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that I had.
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And so time over there is much different over here.
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There are people who have lived 100 years, but barely lived one day over here.
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So it's all about the experiences that we have and the love that we are able to have.
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But this life review was more so from the perspective of the people around me and just
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understanding the love that we shared and had.
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But it also transcended this life and it went to other different incarnations that I had,
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other different lifetimes.
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So this life review included other past lives.
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And I saw myself spanning the globe, traveling a lot of different cultures and countries
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and civilizations.
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And the most distinctive lifetime that has a lot of parallels to my NDE, which I'm sure
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may bring up some sense degrees of sensitivities for viewers, given the subject matter and
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how it all went down, was a life that was actually evidentially read for me by different
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intuitives and psychics prior to me ever becoming public with my NDE.
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And this has been evidentially read for me, but a life in which I completed suicide.
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I don't use the word commit because I don't criminalize that decision nor does the other
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side.
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That's more of like a human judgment of it.
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But this was this last lifetime that I lived in which I felt like the walls were caving
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in.
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There was nothing again once to hold on to.
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And I felt that was it.
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And all of a sudden, I made that decision.
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I just saw the life between lives of that lifetime in my NDE.
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And I saw that I wasn't judged.
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I was embraced.
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And there wasn't condemnation.
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But I was also able to see from completion we begin.
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And there was a big tie that I felt from my NDE and that situation where in my NDE I was
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once again faced with a similar degree of proverbial and literal suffocation.
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But what I did this time differently than that last lifetime was I surrendered to the
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power thin.
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I remembered who I was and what I was connected to in the midst of the deepest and darkest
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of winter.
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As Albert Camus said within me, I found an eternal and infinite summer.
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And that was a lesson that I know was from my NDE.
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And slowly but surely I had premonitions of myself speaking in front of a large crowd
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of people.
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And I was able to really see that this wasn't speaking as if from the ego perspective that
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I'm this big fancy schmancy speaker and better than people.
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No, it was just that when I was speaking, I was able to see that I was one with the
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audience and getting this message out of allowing people to really remember who they are, like
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the show started.
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And on that moment I said as beautiful as the other side is, because I was given autonomy
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to stay or go, this capacity to bring it into this reality, this proverbial way of bringing
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heaven down to earth is not something that could pass on.
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And it's something potentially even more glorious than the other side of an opportunity.
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Within that decision, I chose to stay from that commitment to my soul's contract.
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And then slowly but surely I found myself in a hospital bed, rushed by the ambulance,
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and the rest is kind of history.
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That's a lot.
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That is awesome.
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Thank you for sharing all of that.
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It strikes me so, I don't know, really interesting that as a three-year-old, when you were on
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the other side, your brain was working like an adult.
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I think when I was three years old here, my thoughts were Captain Crunch, riding my trike,
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you know, rolling a ball, whatever.
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But you were thinking about the big stuff.
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How do you think that worked?
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Why did that happen?
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I would say that two things could be true at the same time.
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Well, there's an undeniable truth that we have a part of ourselves that's in congruency
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with our chronological age of development and the temporary experiences that we have.
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That's just one page of the book.
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That's not the entire book or other chapters.
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And when you cross over to their side, you're more in tune with your infinite spirit rather
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than the projections or limitations of your own chronological age.
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Just all giving an example, for instance, we may know a lot of people who are the age
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of population or senior citizens who might have a lot of physical or mental or maybe
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psychological limitations.
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And oftentimes when they cross over to their side, they come through in readings.
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They're young, they're free, they have a knowingness to them.
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They're not limited by the temporary stages that they were going through in that part
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of their life.
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I think what we have in our lives are different experiences, but those are not the full totality
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of our soul.
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And all this life is just, to me, just an experience of the soul.
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We are infinite, eternal spiritual beings having these temporary human experiences.
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So I think a lot of people attach themselves with where they are temporarily and what they're
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going through, and that's just an experience.
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It's not the full story of the soul's journey.
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So crossing over and having my NDE, I was able to be more in tune with the soul rather
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than the experiences of the ego or the temporary experiences of this human journey.
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Right.
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It's like your full-grown, experienced adult spirit was back.
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It wasn't held back by only being a three-year-old brain attached to it.
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Am I kind of getting that right?
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Yeah.
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And this will sound controversial.
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But I don't believe that any soul that we have is three years old.
452
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,240
I think all souls are eternal.
453
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:17,360
It just takes some time for the soul and the body to have congruency and to work with each
454
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:18,360
other.
455
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,840
But it's not like, all right, you live another 10 years, all of a sudden the soul has evolved
456
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,080
50 to 100 years.
457
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,960
It just takes time for the two to be in harmony.
458
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,000
And so just because you don't see it or just because it's not said, does not mean a young
459
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,160
infant isn't connecting on one level to the depths of their souls.
460
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:41,360
There's just what we see as the surface of the portrayal, which is by the instrument
461
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:42,920
that we're using of the body.
462
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:50,120
But that awareness is always there, despite it not necessarily being tapped into at a
463
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,120
certain point in time.
464
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:56,320
But then there comes a time where people remember who they are and by oftentimes letting go
465
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,520
of who they thought they were.
466
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,080
Makes sense.
467
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,080
Another thing that I found kind of interesting in some of the words that you use, use the
468
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,280
words surrender a few times.
469
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:14,280
And people that I have interviewed that have had drowning experiences use similar terms.
470
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:20,760
And I wonder if that's because when your oxygen is for you, your oxygen was cut off for someone
471
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,320
drowning, same thing.
472
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:29,360
And it's sort of this coming to realize, okay, I can't breathe right now.
473
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,440
And in a little time from now, I'm still not going to be able to breathe.
474
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,560
This whole thing about breathing is just over.
475
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,840
And the brain quickly processes that and probably the spirit too.
476
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:46,320
And then as you call it surrender, and there's probably 10 other words that we could give
477
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,320
to it.
478
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:52,440
But I find that very interesting that that's a very similar thing because I think you have
479
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:58,960
a little bit of time to process it compared to maybe someone who's killed in a violent
480
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,680
traffic accident or who knows what.
481
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,240
Does that make sense?
482
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,240
Yeah.
483
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,560
I mean, I would probably say the majority of people tend to have suffocation and it's
484
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,120
like a slow, painful situation.
485
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,120
But you're right.
486
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:17,440
Some people it's like very quick and there's no time of incubation to go into that phase.
487
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:23,920
So there was a degree of incubation between life and death that I had.
488
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:30,160
But the term surrender is always something that comes to mind and that's quite a pathologized
489
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,840
word in many ways because a lot of people think surrender is giving up.
490
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:39,680
But I think the inverse that it's really giving in and tapping into your power and it's so
491
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:46,920
pivotal in today's world with people in recovery and AA and NA, just the power of surrender
492
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:53,520
to the higher power, deeper power within to really be in partnership with your changes
493
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:54,520
of your life.
494
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:55,520
Yeah.
495
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:56,680
This is a good kind of surrender.
496
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:57,880
This isn't I failed.
497
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,880
I'm giving up.
498
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,160
This is yes.
499
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:07,640
I realized where I'm at and I'm joining in the whole experience that's happening now.
500
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,080
It's a good way to put it.
501
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:13,920
I want to hear more about your guides and I'm sorry you can't remember their names, but
502
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,320
what else can you tell me about them?
503
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:23,400
Well, what I would say is imagine the most beautiful individual that you know and hopefully
504
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:28,960
if you're married that's a spouse, but maybe if not that's maybe someone else.
505
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:34,840
There's an inner and outer beauty that just goes beyond descriptive words.
506
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:43,040
It's beyond anything that you could articulate and imagine that person that you have such
507
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:49,760
a degree of admiration for and you see such an infant degree of beauty sees the same in
508
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:50,760
you.
509
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:56,080
And oftentimes we think if something is so beautiful and so great that we'll put that
510
00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,120
on a pedestal and we'll say, okay, that's for someone else great, but it's not for me.
511
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,600
Like who am I to go to that ivory tower?
512
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:09,200
And so the beauty that I saw was reflected also from the guides to myself and all of
513
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,200
us.
514
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,880
And so they see us in such a different light than how we see ourselves.
515
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:22,000
But I just remembered just how physical beautiful they were, how they were with me the whole
516
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:29,560
time in just a degree of the blinders that I had within my human life that wasn't always
517
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,960
seeing them and connecting to them.
518
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,320
And I think that's within reason.
519
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:38,160
I think we're here to have the human experience and if we're just living on the other side
520
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:43,960
all the time and we're so connected, it's very hard for us to really live this life
521
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:48,680
as well as if you're given all the answers to the test, you're not going to grow as much
522
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:49,960
in work hard.
523
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:56,640
So I think there's a deal of toil, challenges, resilience, and the evolution of the soul
524
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,440
that happens in this lifetime.
525
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,960
I would say that a little bit with the guides that I saw that they were right with me to
526
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,560
the right side, the left side of me.
527
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,040
And it was just a tremendous reunion.
528
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:14,280
I just felt just so embraced and so loved and it was just a reconnection with beings
529
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,480
that were with me all the time.
530
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:21,560
In terms of their origins, in terms of our origins, that to me is not necessarily clear.
531
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:27,840
I do feel there's a strong past life connection or at least energetic connection that we all
532
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,360
have with our guides.
533
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,840
I say there's a magnetism in our lives.
534
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:37,200
So for instance, birds of the feather flock together and people have a vibe which will
535
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,000
attract our tribe.
536
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,520
And I think to the same way, the guides that we have within our life, just there's something
537
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,160
about us that resonates with guides.
538
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:53,520
And I do believe that a lot of spirit guides have lived lives over here versus angels.
539
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,760
They have not had any incarnations, the angels at least that I saw.
540
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:03,440
There always been angels, but I think spirit guides to me have had journeys over here and
541
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,920
they've evolved through these lives on earth.
542
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaking of past lives, we're going to jump topics a little bit here.
543
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,800
And this is something we haven't really talked about much on this show previously, but I
544
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,520
know you have a good knowledge of it.
545
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,480
But we've heard the term past life regression.
546
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,040
Give us a very brief syllabus.
547
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,720
What is that and what can it do for people?
548
00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:34,360
Past life regression is a very safe, non-invasive, pretty easy form of hypnosis.
549
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,960
And really all it does is help people tap into the higher mind.
550
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,560
Some may call it the subconscious mind.
551
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:49,640
But again, past life regression is a way for us to really get in touch with our libraries
552
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:54,880
that we have and the many different chapters of journeys that we've had here on earth and
553
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,560
to really access higher information from that library.
554
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,480
Some may call that the Akashic record.
555
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,080
Some may call it the hall of wisdom.
556
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,600
There's a lot of different vernaculars for all these things, but essentially it takes
557
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:13,800
you from your limited finite mind and opens up yourself to access information beyond your
558
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,320
finite mind.
559
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:21,840
And past life regression really does help people to tap into different lifetimes that
560
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:29,600
may usually have significance or overlay within this lifetime that are valuable to visit.
561
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:34,720
A lot of people come to me for different rationale behind a past life regression.
562
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:40,120
Some are looking for it for more of a curiosity, entertainment perspective.
563
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:45,080
Or some they may feel that they do not know why they're here.
564
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,480
They want a lot of guidance in their life.
565
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:54,040
And some may have a lot of untapped trauma that they can't sort out no matter how much
566
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,120
they see a psychotherapist like myself.
567
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,320
There's something that they're holding onto in a subconscious level they can't seem to
568
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,080
get to the bottom of.
569
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:08,160
So past life regression is great to really, in terms of getting the roots of and as well
570
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:14,120
as finding some healing so we're no longer repeating similar regurgitated patterns and
571
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,240
we're able to evolve from understanding our own history.
572
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:24,160
Let's kind of look at psychological history or the planet's history.
573
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,920
Without awareness of those behaviors, we tend to regurgitate those behaviors throughout
574
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:33,160
thousands of years on this planet as we're seeing now with all the world wars going on
575
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,280
and people going against each other.
576
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,840
I mean, it's just all the stuff with technological evolution.
577
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:45,400
Spiritual evolution collectively has improved but it's not fully there obviously.
578
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,600
It's still a lot of pockets regurgitating similar behaviors.
579
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:54,760
And so with awareness, we have the capacity to really change behaviors and to make better,
580
00:39:54,760 --> 00:40:00,520
more evolved decisions that will allow the spirit to really be more expansive and more
581
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,360
evolved within their journeys.
582
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,360
But it is profound and it's very gentle.
583
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:06,360
It's guided.
584
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,360
It's safe and it's effective.
585
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:13,680
And the worst case scenario from a regression that one can have is many times they remember
586
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:19,320
through going into past lives that they weren't condemned in hell, that they're eternal.
587
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:25,800
And I think in a way the church hit a lot of, religion itself hit a lot of reincarnation
588
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,680
because of fear that people will know that, hey, I don't go to hell.
589
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:30,680
I'm reborn.
590
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,040
So all of your fear mongering that tells me I'm going to go to hell if I don't follow
591
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:38,440
your rules is out the window because that's what people will experience in past lives.
592
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:43,680
But there's no real hell we continue on and there's other opportunities here in this earth
593
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,160
school of life.
594
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:50,600
You mentioned earlier growing up Jewish and you were only three years old and that was
595
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,440
all you had been exposed to.
596
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,280
Do you mind and if this is too personal, that's okay.
597
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,780
You don't have to answer.
598
00:40:57,780 --> 00:41:04,960
But do you mind telling us how this has affect your religiousosity, religionosity?
599
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,720
What is that word I'm looking for?
600
00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:08,720
Religiosity.
601
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:11,320
Yes, going forward.
602
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:18,560
You know, as a kid, I was very much brought up in a very dogmatic circumstance where I
603
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:27,040
don't know, if you're a female and your skirt is one inch a little bit short, you're ridiculed,
604
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:31,360
the pots and pans need to be separated if it's made of milk.
605
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,960
You have to wait six hours, not five hours between eight.
606
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:41,280
So there was a lot of these rituals and laws and dogma that just didn't resonate.
607
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:49,080
And so I think in a way I was a pretty big rebel against this outwardly and inwardly
608
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,200
and I never really bought into this.
609
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:58,080
But again, part of what I believe is key is learning flexibility and adaptability.
610
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:02,280
And I know that's something that Charles Darwin highlighted and survival of fitness, that it
611
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,400
wasn't the strongest, necessarily the smartest that survived.
612
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,400
It was those who are most adaptable that were able to survive.
613
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:16,200
And in my childhood to survive, I had to bury a lot of the stuff in myself and keep it within.
614
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:21,440
Otherwise, it would just be an exhausting all out war against all these oppositions.
615
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:27,560
And so there was a degree of radical acceptance that I had as well as at times picking my
616
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:33,720
battles, but I never really bought into it despite accepting it.
617
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:35,480
And so that was a big part of it.
618
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:41,480
But there's a big monopolization on spirituality, the afterlife within all of religion.
619
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:46,960
And I say, spiritual and the afterlife does not exist because of religion.
620
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,920
It exists despite of it in a way.
621
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,120
And religion does not have a monopoly on spirituality.
622
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,520
It's just one way of understanding it.
623
00:42:55,520 --> 00:43:00,640
But for some, it could be the total antithesis of anything that's spiritual, because it falls
624
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:06,840
in love in more of a God that I think it's interpreted in man's image versus a God understood
625
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,400
in our image in a way.
626
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:09,400
Okay.
627
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,320
I'd like to wrap up with this.
628
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,440
This is a two part question coming at you.
629
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:19,080
Part one is this happened to you when you were only three years old.
630
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:24,520
That makes you different than most three year olds and other kids and teenagers growing
631
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:25,520
up.
632
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,800
So I want to know how this affected your life.
633
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:35,480
And then let's leave everybody with a message of hope that came from your life being this
634
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:36,480
way.
635
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:37,480
Great question, Eric.
636
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:44,920
Well, the subscription for most children and infants is to fit in, is to give your power
637
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:51,880
to adults around you that you're very little, you know nothing and just self abandon yourself
638
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:57,280
and give your power over to people who are bigger than you or you feel, you know, more.
639
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:03,400
So from the onset, there's a suppression and a disempowerment that most infants and
640
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:04,880
children do face.
641
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,440
They're not told that, Hey, you have the answers.
642
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:11,920
You're told, Hey, we have the answers and abandon yourself to really get on board.
643
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:17,060
And the other thing is most infants or children are prescribed to be normal.
644
00:44:17,060 --> 00:44:18,060
What does that mean?
645
00:44:18,060 --> 00:44:24,600
Well, normal in many ways is just self abandoning yourself to fit in with what the leaf and
646
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:29,360
water is, what the tide is in front of you, what everyone else is doing.
647
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:34,120
And so I think to survive that's something that I needed to do, you know, because I remember
648
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:40,200
being a kid and having all these incredible interdimensional communications, which often
649
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,600
is an after effective near death experience, particularly with all the brain changes that
650
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,160
happened after my NDE, but I saw that to survive.
651
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,960
Yeah, you know, I needed to accept that I was a kid.
652
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,120
Oftentimes I was called weird by other kids or just people just didn't know what to make
653
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:56,920
of me growing up.
654
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,720
And so I self abandoned myself.
655
00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:04,560
But I would say is to learn from those who are about to cross over back to the one way
656
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,160
ticket back home, the pun intended.
657
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:11,160
And one of the top five regrets that people have is usually that they were someone else's
658
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:17,800
image of who they wanted them to be or society's priorities of who they wanted to be versus
659
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,640
being empowered enough to be themselves.
660
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:26,240
And so I think if anything else to be weird, to be different, to be yourself, you know,
661
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:28,360
that is what's going to change the world.
662
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,520
You know, no normal person really ever added to anything.
663
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,880
I think we're all unique.
664
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,560
While we're all one, we're all have a unique note to add to this.
665
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:43,440
Just a singer song, dance your dance, you know, say your story, stop worrying about
666
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,240
what other people are going to think of it.
667
00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:49,840
Because no matter what people will love you, people will hate you and very little of it
668
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:55,760
will actually have to do with you as one of the four agreements of Don McGorrie says,
669
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,200
you know, to not take life personally.
670
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,280
So really to know how to live, how to begin life from understanding from those who are
671
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:08,520
at the end of it and to not give your power over to those around you and to not be just
672
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:13,520
a clown to entertain people or to satisfy people with who they want you to be.
673
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:18,560
But we're all here, part of our life's purpose is to remember who we are, to be unique additions
674
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,680
to this world and to be unique.
675
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:21,680
That's what will be remembered.
676
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:22,680
That's what will last.
677
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,880
And so weird and odd people are those who change the world.
678
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,640
Normal people, you know, are never remembered.
679
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:29,640
They don't add.
680
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,160
So be different, be daring.
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That is the coolest thing you could do once you are connected, if that makes sense.
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Great wisdom from Jacob Cooper.
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Thank you, Jacob.
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Appreciate you being with me today.
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An honor.
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Thank you so much, Eric.
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Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast.
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Don't forget to hit the follow or subscribe button and sign up for our newsletter at roundtriptest.com.
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If you want to share your near-death experience or if you have questions or comments about
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the show, send an email to ericatroundtriptest.com.
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Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.
