Death From Whooping Cough, NDE, Beautiful Spirit Guides, Euphoria, Decisions

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From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.

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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.

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And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my

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physical body because I was somewhere else.

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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't

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anything else to be felt.

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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.

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I'm back home again.

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Incredibly safe and felt at home.

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Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody, and a special welcome from way out in Long

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Island.

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Jacob Cooper, good morning, Jacob.

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Good morning, Eric.

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You know, it's a pleasure to be on your podcast.

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I love the work that you do.

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Well, thank you.

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And I had a friend, a good friend once upon a time from Long Island only.

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He pronounced it Long Island.

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Yeah, there's a lot of heavy accents around here.

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I hope I don't come off too strong within any conversation.

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My hope is to come off as neutral as possible, but you know, you could take the man out of

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the Long Islander, but I guess the Long Islander can't come out of the man.

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So some of that always comes out.

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Don't pretend, let it all out.

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We love it.

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Hey, before we jump into your near-death experience, I would love for our listeners to come out

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and get to know you a little bit.

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If you would just take one minute and give us a little bit of background, who is Jacob?

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Oh, wow, gosh, that's a very deep question.

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It's an evolving answer by the minute, by the day, but I try to stay as someone who

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is here to hopefully help others remember who they are.

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I'm always asked how I want to be remembered, and I think myself it's not that important.

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It's more so, I guess, through the work that people are able to remember how unique, special,

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and hopefully eternal.

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We all are, and certainly having a profound end to E at a young age.

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Put me in that pathway, but I also work in the mental health field as a therapist.

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I do a lot of hypnotherapists, and I'm sure we'll discuss some of the particulars of hypnosis

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that I utilize as well as a lot of public speaking, and I've written two published books.

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At the right, around the age of 32 years old, both books were published, and so I'm working

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on a third book to come, but I guess I'm someone who just likes to generate the hope past the

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pain and to derive inspiration as much as I can in times of need and hopefully more of

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a unity and empowerment to those that I come into cross with.

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Well, you're being very humble.

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I know you're a best-selling author.

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Go ahead and plug your two books.

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Give us the names.

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Well, sure, and maybe I could try the visuals.

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Well, the first book that I wrote is Life After Breath, and the second book is The Wisdom

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of Jacob Slatter, and both are available on Amazon, Paperback, Kindle, as well as Audio.

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My first book was endorsed by my good friend Dr. Ima Moody.

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He was one of the individuals, if you don't know who coined the term, near-death experience

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in his best-selling book, Life After Life from the 70s.

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The Life After Breath is more of what I call my karma or the story of my near-death experience,

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and The Wisdom Jacob Slatter includes some of the karma, but it's more about the dharma,

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which is to me the meaning, the essence of the lessons of my near-death experience.

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So they're both helpful for a lot of viewers, a lot of readers, rather than I've gotten

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a lot of nice feedback and emails for the most part.

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So again, it's just a pleasure to give something back.

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And I don't know about you, Eric, but I think there's a big correlation between pain and

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purpose.

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And when I was in my late teens and early 20s, I probably lived mostly in the library, or

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at least reading books, that anything I'd get my hands on that was inspiring, that was

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uplifting, I'd want to delve into.

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And it came when I was just at a lot of times moments of uncertainty and when I felt very

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low and I said, to my thought to myself, geez, I don't want to be buried in a cemetery.

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I want to be buried on these shelves with these authors and my books to be there.

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And hopefully down the road, they'll still have libraries when I'm at that old age.

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But I think really we're here to make a ripple effect in our lives.

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And you're doing that every time a podcast comes out.

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And just by being used, thank you for the great work that you're doing, getting this

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information out to the public, you're really making a ripple effect.

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Well, and I'm glad you mentioned Dr. Moody.

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He's been on the show.

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He is awesome.

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He's getting up there in years, but he still has plenty of energy.

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He was rocking so fast that the microphone almost couldn't pick him up.

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And I know Ians is doing some kind of a documentary about him this year.

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So we're looking forward to that also.

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Is that right?

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Yeah, new news to me.

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I didn't hear that, but well deserved for sure.

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Well, this is the 50th anniversary of the book and him coining the term near death experience.

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So anyway, let's jump right into it.

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And your experience happened when you were very young.

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And one of the things I'm going to be asking you in a minute is how do you even remember

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it from three years old?

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So lead us, tell us what happened, what led up to it?

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Absolutely, Eric.

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Well, September of 1993, to give my age away.

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I was just the young age of three years old.

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At this time, I didn't know this or none of my family knew this.

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I had a condition called whooping cough, otherwise known as pertussis, which for those familiar

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with it medically, I mean, it could be fatal or very detrimental to one's health, particularly

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if you're an infant or child or even in an adult years, you know, if left untreated.

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I had whooping cough, didn't know this, went to a playground with family friends.

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And this is kind of the short of it, the more extended versions are, I was included in my

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books, but I climbed a ladder, going to a slide, just began to suffocate due to this

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coughing spree.

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Everything in my brain and my body just shut down.

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As if you're in a basement and if you're a homeowner, you can understand, just shut

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off one unit at a time and there's nothing you can do.

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The units are just shutting off.

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You're very powerless to it.

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And then all of a sudden, my body I just knew was not working.

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So rather than being in a car that's not going to start or not going to work, you know, I

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just was able to leave my body and I was able to have awareness of it physiologically.

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Then all of a sudden I felt my brain and I just saw that it was deprived of oxygen,

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just felt it just slowly just going away.

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Then all of a sudden I felt this large crack within my brain due to the deprivation of

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oxygen.

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And there's a saying in the English language that says, my brain cracked open and God came

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in.

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And this literally happened to me.

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This wasn't some euphemism where I felt my brain just completely crack open.

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And that's when everything opened up.

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I had a lot of the classical, euphoric, near-death-experience, mystical experience that Raymond Moody highlights

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in his book, including tunnel, feeling euphoric, you know, rising up, feeling vibrations.

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Things around me, spirit guides that I was able to see, soul family members, awareness

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of past lives, premonitions of the work that I would do.

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So it was a tremendous panoramic viewpoint of the life that I lived that included past

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lives as well as this potential journey that I was going to continue on, you know, in my

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life as a three-year-old moving forward.

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But it certainly is profound and obviously if you get more and some of the finer details

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of it regarding, you know, one of your first questions as to how this is able to be remembered.

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There's several points of reference that I could point to.

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Certainly within my credibility as a mental health therapist, I could point to the traumatic

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conditions at play for those who might have competency of trauma, they'll understand that

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trauma has a disassociative component, meaning that something is so profound for your mind

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or in this case spirit to hold on to, that it just kind of shields itself from remembering

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it due to protection.

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But eventually that could come out within the right timing.

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More trauma could have the clearest of recall, you know, as if there hasn't been any time

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and space from that event.

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And certainly I don't want to sugarcoat it as beautiful and euphoric as my ND was in

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crossing over to the other side.

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It was as equally as scary and traumatic through suffocation and losing all of control of my

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own human breath.

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But I think that was a gift in a way, that was a gift beyond the trauma, the ability

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to remember it, as well as this was an experience that went beyond the production or the storage

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of my finite brain.

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As I said before, my brain was totally deprived of oxygen, had zero functioning whatsoever.

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And so this was really a subconscious experience of my higher mind and soul.

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And so there are people that I work with now, we'll get into this, who have memories that

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go far beyond this lifetime.

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You know, so too many memory does not have an expiration date.

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Oftentimes kids in fact are able to remember a lot more of events prior to coming to this

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body because they're less in their, I would say analytical minds or linear minds in the

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more in tune with their spirits, which just gets here from the other side.

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But yes, there's a certain cut off of amnesia that a lot of people have usually around age

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five or six where they forget a lot of things.

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So I know I impact a lot over there, but yeah, be feel free to fire away with questions

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or any of the skeptics point of view will do the best we can.

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I don't necessarily cynics because that's nearly that's almost impossible to move, but

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skeptics is a very healthy place to start with.

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Well, I don't want to jump into skeptic mode.

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I rarely do that anyway, because I tend to believe the people that I have on the show

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here, but I do want lots more detail.

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You gave a great summary, but start from the beginning and I realize it would probably

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take hours to fill in every detail, but you mentioned the classic things like the tunnel.

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Is that the best place to start?

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I want much more detail.

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Yeah.

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You know, Eric, to answer your question, the tunnel, I don't know necessarily if the best

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place to start, I would say the power or the pathway of surrender is the best place to start.

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I at this time was suffocated during my NDE and you could imagine like you're drowning

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and there's nothing to hold on to in oxygen.

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Being able to breathe in oxygen keeps us going in this body without it.

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What are we unless we're on some type of breathing machine or ventilator?

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That was totally deprived of me.

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There was nothing to hold on to.

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I kept on trying to struggle to breathe.

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I remember this very clearly and there was nothing to hold on to.

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It felt like I was drowning and there wasn't a log or anything to hold on to.

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All of a sudden, I just felt myself just surrendering to something else.

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In my books, I call that the breath of eternity, which to me is a light of the other side.

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It's just this power that we all have, this spark of eternity that we all have.

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Rather than trying to struggle against what was, I surrendered to this infinite power,

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this eternal power that we all have.

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Once I stopped the struggle and I surrendered, that's when I was able to really let go of

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the struggle and then euphoria opened up once I got out of this darkness of the tunnel

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and really entered the light.

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I felt my spirit rising at infinite speed and rate as if you're on a roller coaster ride

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and there's no beginning, middle, or end or limitation with how fast you're soaring on

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this ride.

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I could sense vibrations and frequencies, but the feeling that I got was, and this is

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kind of hard for viewers to understand, you see in our reality, the colors, for example,

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are limited by the rays of the sun and that's the reference that we have.

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When you're on the other side, you're not physical, you're dealing with the non-material.

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A lot of the factors that are over there are nearly impossible or very difficult to articulate,

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but I do the best I can at each dialogue or conversation that I have because that's the

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task at hand.

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But I felt this incredible euphoria and when I was able to feel this euphoric vibe, in

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our world, for instance, we're used to something happening, but we almost have a cap with how

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good we could feel because of bio-neurochemicals still.

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On the other side, there was no limitations with how euphoric and good that I felt.

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There was no limitations of that and that's hard for many to conceptualize or understand.

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We're used to like, all right, I have that great situation, but there's always seems

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to be a cap at that.

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On the other side, there was no ending of how good I was feeling.

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Like I said moments later, I was able to really get a sense and feelings on the other side.

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It was just this beautiful euphoric light realm and this high vibrational frequency.

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This earth is a lot lower of a density, a lot lower of a frequency.

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When you cross over to the other side, the vibrations are a lot more intensified.

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I think it was Albert Einstein who said, we are all just energy that could never be created

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or destroyed.

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At the end of the day, the other side is just a higher energetic frequency.

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There's a frequency of the afterlife and it's just right above this reality.

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moments later to provide a little bit more context, I felt to the right side of my brain,

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which I now know corresponds to creativity.

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I was able to see this immaculate palace behind me and this light was so bright.

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It was so bright and powerful that my spirit just almost had to shield itself because it

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was so powerful.

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I think when people think of the other side, they think you just kind of go there and you're

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already there and that's it.

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From my experience, I could say that there was a bit of an adjustment phase to crossing

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over.

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It took some time to really get familiarized with it.

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And yes, it was home, but it was such a profound transition that it took some time for my

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spirit to really get used to just in terms of its beauty, its potency from this physical

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reality.

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We're used to limited and you get to the unlimited.

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It's familiar yet at the same time overwhelming.

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When I was looking at this beautiful palace, to me, it just, I just had this knowing that

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it was a representation of the eternal creative force of all of life itself, which some people

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denote religious terms to it.

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They call it God.

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Some just creation, whatever you want to label it as, your words are limiting because it

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doesn't do justice to what I saw.

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Words are almost powerful to what we have in this reality, but they cannot possibly conceptualize

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how beautiful and profound that light was.

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And instantaneously, when I was in that light, when I was looking at this palace, I was able

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to see angels around it.

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I was able to feel unconditional understanding and a lot of things dissipated all regarding

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a lot of fears that I had.

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And all of a sudden, on the other side, I felt I was able to see this, this eternal horizon

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of a sky that was in my awareness.

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I was able to feel this incredible frequency of vibration.

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And I think of reality.

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We think of reality, think of levels of vibrational frequency, think of energy.

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And this frequency was one of the highest octaves of frequency on the other side that

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was accessible.

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And this frequency was what I call the Christ frequency or the Christ consciousness that

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I was able to be tuned into.

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Bear in mind, I grew up Jewish, so certainly Jesus was Jewish as well.

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But three years old, it wasn't something that I was educated at all, ever in my background.

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So some of the things that happened in my end to go way beyond any exposure that I had,

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which isn't congruent with a lot of people who've had near-death experiences as people

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who are visually impaired all of a sudden could see or people who are auditory impaired

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could hear, I wasn't exposed to any of this stuff in my early life, but there was a deep

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familiarity.

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And then all of a sudden, I just had questions, what would my life look like and how would

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my parents deal with a kid crossing over?

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And I just wanted to know, like, this story didn't seem complete and I wanted to know

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what it would look like.

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And a lot of those fears dissipated.

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And when I was in this frequency, I had this inner knowing of all is well, was well, will

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be well, and there was no conceptualization of time.

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And this is very congruent with what Lao Tzu said that he said in the past, there's a

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lot of promoted sadness in the future, there's a lot of promoted anxiety.

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But in the present, you know, that's where you could find peace.

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And in this moment on the other side, all I felt was this infinite wave of eternal

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peace with no in this timelessness that many near death experiences talk about.

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And I just was aware that no matter what happened, there is a point where I and my parents and

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all those who knew me in this life would meet, it would be that same point, regardless of

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what happened if I decided to stay or go my near death experience that all cells would

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connect, but then I just was curious as to what my life would look like and what I why

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I'm here.

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And all of a sudden I felt my guides with me, and they came down with me and I saw it

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to the right in the left side of me, a male and female guardian angel or spirit guide.

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And it's the one detail my near death experience for whatever reason that I seem to have a

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blockage of just in terms of their members, their names.

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At the time I knew their names instantaneously and they were the most beautiful beings that

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you could ever imagine.

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But when my two primary guides were with me, I felt a sense of exhalation.

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I felt a sense of, wow, they are with us all the time and sometimes we have our blinders

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on, but life is a lot more wider and panoramic than we give it credit to.

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And my guides were with me this whole journey, you know, being, you know, this young child

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and they were there with every step, but I just had my blinders on.

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At times in my life that I forgot that and just thought that I was alone.

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Then solely I had people surrounding me at the playground that I was at and they kept

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on calling my name, but I felt to the side of myself, I felt my spirit form, my body

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was just there, irresponsive and lifeless.

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And I wanted to shake everyone from the other side to let them know that I was okay, that

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I'm fine.

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It was just a little bit of torture where I could see them and they couldn't see me,

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but then I was able to see right in front of my eyes these infinite array of angels

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that were floating right in front of me.

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And these were different than the guardian angels or spirit guides.

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It's like kind of like England, whether you want to call it England or the UK, it kind

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of describes the same place just different terms, but the angels that I saw were very

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young, very youthful.

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They're almost like infant looking in their presentation and they had a lot more uniform

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ality, whereas the spirit guides had their own distinctive characteristics.

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The angels that I saw were just the thin veil right in front of my eyes and I almost had

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to pinch myself because they were right there.

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And it's as if we have this reality and you just tune up the frequency of this reality

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a little bit.

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Angels are all around us all the time and this thin veil separation, they are with us

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all around us.

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Hundreds of thousands of angels were there and they were kind of like a golden like color,

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whereas the guides were very micro focused on myself.

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The angels that I saw were just looking in the distance.

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They weren't looking at me, but they were sending warmth and energy and love to the

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planet in the situation and they were all around us and it's just looking right at them.

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And I just had to like pinch myself because it felt too good to be true, as familiar as

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it was.

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Slowly, I was able to see a lot of beings from that came into my awareness from the

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other side.

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Some would call this the soul family, others would call it nuclear family.

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I think we're all a part of a soul family, but we all have a caste that we're a part

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of in terms of different acts, but it's all just kind of different plays that we're contracted

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to.

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We'll get into a bunch more questions later.

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I just one quick thing I wanted to ask about that.

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Did you recognize any of the people from this family?

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Did you feel like you knew them?

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Absolutely.

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And even there were individuals that I was very much, because I think people think of

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soul family as just biological people that were in your nuclear family, but a lot of

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the soul family that I was in contact with came through when I was a teacher on the other

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side and I was able to see a lot of students in that life that came through that I was

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really had a profound soul connection with in that last lifetime.

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So yes, a lot of these beings were ancestors that I knew in this life and beyond, but also

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they came from that prior life, but there was a sense of familiarity.

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But there was also a degree of shame and embarrassment to a degree because this wasn't their judgment.

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The other side, there's no judgment.

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I didn't feel that I felt they were looking up at me rather down at me.

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That's more of a human construct.

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There's a lot of dichotomy and difference between this reality and that reality where

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that reality you are loved and almost looked up to for who you are, not what you do, which

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could change minute to minute and you're constantly judged over here, but we're constantly loved

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over there and there's no limit for that.

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Your love for your being rather than your doing in a sense.

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But in terms of what I was able to see from that scene, I was also able to see spirit

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guides and angels in aura colors around all the people that were around me.

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And bear in mind, a lot of people that were with me on that day were not like the Dalai

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Lamar on face value or Gandhi.

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They were just regular CPA type people and working people.

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Looking back on that, it just reminded me that all is spiritual.

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At the end of the day, that's our core, that's our phylus.

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Remember that some are emboldened in that, some maybe forget that, but you take an orange,

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you squeeze it out, you get orange juice and you take who we are, you squeeze it out, you

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get an infinite spirit beyond a lot of the separations that some may be connecting to

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in their current life or lives.

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But there was a point in time where I just asked a simple question again, which is, why

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am I here, which is the most common question that I'm asked in any presentation that I

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do.

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And if I do stay, what is my purpose?

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What will my life look like?

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And all of a sudden, I was given what's called a life review, which many people are familiar

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with.

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I'm sure a skeptic, I'm feeling that listening would say or anyone would say, geez, that

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must have been the shortest film of all time, you're just three years old.

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What I would counter to that is, the other side is much different than this side, where

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in a sense that it's not a matter of the chronological years of our life, but rather the degree of

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life within those years.

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And so it felt like I chronologically lived through years, but those three years felt

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like a long time, just in terms of the experiences that I had, the love that I shared, the connections

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that I had.

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And so time over there is much different over here.

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There are people who have lived 100 years, but barely lived one day over here.

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So it's all about the experiences that we have and the love that we are able to have.

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But this life review was more so from the perspective of the people around me and just

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understanding the love that we shared and had.

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But it also transcended this life and it went to other different incarnations that I had,

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other different lifetimes.

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So this life review included other past lives.

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And I saw myself spanning the globe, traveling a lot of different cultures and countries

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and civilizations.

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And the most distinctive lifetime that has a lot of parallels to my NDE, which I'm sure

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may bring up some sense degrees of sensitivities for viewers, given the subject matter and

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how it all went down, was a life that was actually evidentially read for me by different

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intuitives and psychics prior to me ever becoming public with my NDE.

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And this has been evidentially read for me, but a life in which I completed suicide.

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I don't use the word commit because I don't criminalize that decision nor does the other

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side.

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That's more of like a human judgment of it.

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But this was this last lifetime that I lived in which I felt like the walls were caving

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in.

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There was nothing again once to hold on to.

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And I felt that was it.

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And all of a sudden, I made that decision.

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I just saw the life between lives of that lifetime in my NDE.

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And I saw that I wasn't judged.

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I was embraced.

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And there wasn't condemnation.

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But I was also able to see from completion we begin.

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And there was a big tie that I felt from my NDE and that situation where in my NDE I was

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once again faced with a similar degree of proverbial and literal suffocation.

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But what I did this time differently than that last lifetime was I surrendered to the

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power thin.

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I remembered who I was and what I was connected to in the midst of the deepest and darkest

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of winter.

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As Albert Camus said within me, I found an eternal and infinite summer.

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And that was a lesson that I know was from my NDE.

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And slowly but surely I had premonitions of myself speaking in front of a large crowd

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of people.

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And I was able to really see that this wasn't speaking as if from the ego perspective that

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I'm this big fancy schmancy speaker and better than people.

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No, it was just that when I was speaking, I was able to see that I was one with the

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audience and getting this message out of allowing people to really remember who they are, like

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the show started.

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And on that moment I said as beautiful as the other side is, because I was given autonomy

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to stay or go, this capacity to bring it into this reality, this proverbial way of bringing

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heaven down to earth is not something that could pass on.

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And it's something potentially even more glorious than the other side of an opportunity.

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Within that decision, I chose to stay from that commitment to my soul's contract.

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And then slowly but surely I found myself in a hospital bed, rushed by the ambulance,

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and the rest is kind of history.

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That's a lot.

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That is awesome.

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Thank you for sharing all of that.

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It strikes me so, I don't know, really interesting that as a three-year-old, when you were on

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the other side, your brain was working like an adult.

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I think when I was three years old here, my thoughts were Captain Crunch, riding my trike,

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you know, rolling a ball, whatever.

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But you were thinking about the big stuff.

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How do you think that worked?

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Why did that happen?

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I would say that two things could be true at the same time.

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Well, there's an undeniable truth that we have a part of ourselves that's in congruency

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with our chronological age of development and the temporary experiences that we have.

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That's just one page of the book.

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That's not the entire book or other chapters.

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And when you cross over to their side, you're more in tune with your infinite spirit rather

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than the projections or limitations of your own chronological age.

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Just all giving an example, for instance, we may know a lot of people who are the age

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of population or senior citizens who might have a lot of physical or mental or maybe

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psychological limitations.

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And oftentimes when they cross over to their side, they come through in readings.

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They're young, they're free, they have a knowingness to them.

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They're not limited by the temporary stages that they were going through in that part

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of their life.

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I think what we have in our lives are different experiences, but those are not the full totality

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of our soul.

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And all this life is just, to me, just an experience of the soul.

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We are infinite, eternal spiritual beings having these temporary human experiences.

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So I think a lot of people attach themselves with where they are temporarily and what they're

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going through, and that's just an experience.

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It's not the full story of the soul's journey.

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So crossing over and having my NDE, I was able to be more in tune with the soul rather

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than the experiences of the ego or the temporary experiences of this human journey.

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Right.

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It's like your full-grown, experienced adult spirit was back.

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It wasn't held back by only being a three-year-old brain attached to it.

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Am I kind of getting that right?

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Yeah.

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And this will sound controversial.

451
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,440
But I don't believe that any soul that we have is three years old.

452
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,240
I think all souls are eternal.

453
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:17,360
It just takes some time for the soul and the body to have congruency and to work with each

454
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:18,360
other.

455
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,840
But it's not like, all right, you live another 10 years, all of a sudden the soul has evolved

456
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,080
50 to 100 years.

457
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,960
It just takes time for the two to be in harmony.

458
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,000
And so just because you don't see it or just because it's not said, does not mean a young

459
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,160
infant isn't connecting on one level to the depths of their souls.

460
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:41,360
There's just what we see as the surface of the portrayal, which is by the instrument

461
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:42,920
that we're using of the body.

462
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:50,120
But that awareness is always there, despite it not necessarily being tapped into at a

463
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,120
certain point in time.

464
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:56,320
But then there comes a time where people remember who they are and by oftentimes letting go

465
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,520
of who they thought they were.

466
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,080
Makes sense.

467
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,080
Another thing that I found kind of interesting in some of the words that you use, use the

468
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,280
words surrender a few times.

469
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:14,280
And people that I have interviewed that have had drowning experiences use similar terms.

470
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:20,760
And I wonder if that's because when your oxygen is for you, your oxygen was cut off for someone

471
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,320
drowning, same thing.

472
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:29,360
And it's sort of this coming to realize, okay, I can't breathe right now.

473
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,440
And in a little time from now, I'm still not going to be able to breathe.

474
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,560
This whole thing about breathing is just over.

475
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,840
And the brain quickly processes that and probably the spirit too.

476
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:46,320
And then as you call it surrender, and there's probably 10 other words that we could give

477
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,320
to it.

478
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:52,440
But I find that very interesting that that's a very similar thing because I think you have

479
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:58,960
a little bit of time to process it compared to maybe someone who's killed in a violent

480
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,680
traffic accident or who knows what.

481
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,240
Does that make sense?

482
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,240
Yeah.

483
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,560
I mean, I would probably say the majority of people tend to have suffocation and it's

484
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,120
like a slow, painful situation.

485
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,120
But you're right.

486
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:17,440
Some people it's like very quick and there's no time of incubation to go into that phase.

487
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:23,920
So there was a degree of incubation between life and death that I had.

488
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:30,160
But the term surrender is always something that comes to mind and that's quite a pathologized

489
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,840
word in many ways because a lot of people think surrender is giving up.

490
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:39,680
But I think the inverse that it's really giving in and tapping into your power and it's so

491
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:46,920
pivotal in today's world with people in recovery and AA and NA, just the power of surrender

492
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:53,520
to the higher power, deeper power within to really be in partnership with your changes

493
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:54,520
of your life.

494
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:55,520
Yeah.

495
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:56,680
This is a good kind of surrender.

496
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:57,880
This isn't I failed.

497
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,880
I'm giving up.

498
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,160
This is yes.

499
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:07,640
I realized where I'm at and I'm joining in the whole experience that's happening now.

500
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,080
It's a good way to put it.

501
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:13,920
I want to hear more about your guides and I'm sorry you can't remember their names, but

502
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,320
what else can you tell me about them?

503
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:23,400
Well, what I would say is imagine the most beautiful individual that you know and hopefully

504
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:28,960
if you're married that's a spouse, but maybe if not that's maybe someone else.

505
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:34,840
There's an inner and outer beauty that just goes beyond descriptive words.

506
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:43,040
It's beyond anything that you could articulate and imagine that person that you have such

507
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:49,760
a degree of admiration for and you see such an infant degree of beauty sees the same in

508
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:50,760
you.

509
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:56,080
And oftentimes we think if something is so beautiful and so great that we'll put that

510
00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,120
on a pedestal and we'll say, okay, that's for someone else great, but it's not for me.

511
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,600
Like who am I to go to that ivory tower?

512
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:09,200
And so the beauty that I saw was reflected also from the guides to myself and all of

513
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,200
us.

514
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,880
And so they see us in such a different light than how we see ourselves.

515
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:22,000
But I just remembered just how physical beautiful they were, how they were with me the whole

516
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:29,560
time in just a degree of the blinders that I had within my human life that wasn't always

517
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,960
seeing them and connecting to them.

518
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,320
And I think that's within reason.

519
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:38,160
I think we're here to have the human experience and if we're just living on the other side

520
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:43,960
all the time and we're so connected, it's very hard for us to really live this life

521
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:48,680
as well as if you're given all the answers to the test, you're not going to grow as much

522
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:49,960
in work hard.

523
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:56,640
So I think there's a deal of toil, challenges, resilience, and the evolution of the soul

524
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,440
that happens in this lifetime.

525
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,960
I would say that a little bit with the guides that I saw that they were right with me to

526
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,560
the right side, the left side of me.

527
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,040
And it was just a tremendous reunion.

528
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:14,280
I just felt just so embraced and so loved and it was just a reconnection with beings

529
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,480
that were with me all the time.

530
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:21,560
In terms of their origins, in terms of our origins, that to me is not necessarily clear.

531
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:27,840
I do feel there's a strong past life connection or at least energetic connection that we all

532
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,360
have with our guides.

533
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,840
I say there's a magnetism in our lives.

534
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:37,200
So for instance, birds of the feather flock together and people have a vibe which will

535
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,000
attract our tribe.

536
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,520
And I think to the same way, the guides that we have within our life, just there's something

537
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,160
about us that resonates with guides.

538
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:53,520
And I do believe that a lot of spirit guides have lived lives over here versus angels.

539
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,760
They have not had any incarnations, the angels at least that I saw.

540
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:03,440
There always been angels, but I think spirit guides to me have had journeys over here and

541
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,920
they've evolved through these lives on earth.

542
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaking of past lives, we're going to jump topics a little bit here.

543
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,800
And this is something we haven't really talked about much on this show previously, but I

544
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,520
know you have a good knowledge of it.

545
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,480
But we've heard the term past life regression.

546
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,040
Give us a very brief syllabus.

547
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,720
What is that and what can it do for people?

548
00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:34,360
Past life regression is a very safe, non-invasive, pretty easy form of hypnosis.

549
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,960
And really all it does is help people tap into the higher mind.

550
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,560
Some may call it the subconscious mind.

551
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:49,640
But again, past life regression is a way for us to really get in touch with our libraries

552
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:54,880
that we have and the many different chapters of journeys that we've had here on earth and

553
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,560
to really access higher information from that library.

554
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,480
Some may call that the Akashic record.

555
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,080
Some may call it the hall of wisdom.

556
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,600
There's a lot of different vernaculars for all these things, but essentially it takes

557
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:13,800
you from your limited finite mind and opens up yourself to access information beyond your

558
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,320
finite mind.

559
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:21,840
And past life regression really does help people to tap into different lifetimes that

560
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:29,600
may usually have significance or overlay within this lifetime that are valuable to visit.

561
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:34,720
A lot of people come to me for different rationale behind a past life regression.

562
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:40,120
Some are looking for it for more of a curiosity, entertainment perspective.

563
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:45,080
Or some they may feel that they do not know why they're here.

564
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,480
They want a lot of guidance in their life.

565
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:54,040
And some may have a lot of untapped trauma that they can't sort out no matter how much

566
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,120
they see a psychotherapist like myself.

567
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,320
There's something that they're holding onto in a subconscious level they can't seem to

568
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,080
get to the bottom of.

569
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:08,160
So past life regression is great to really, in terms of getting the roots of and as well

570
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:14,120
as finding some healing so we're no longer repeating similar regurgitated patterns and

571
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,240
we're able to evolve from understanding our own history.

572
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:24,160
Let's kind of look at psychological history or the planet's history.

573
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,920
Without awareness of those behaviors, we tend to regurgitate those behaviors throughout

574
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:33,160
thousands of years on this planet as we're seeing now with all the world wars going on

575
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,280
and people going against each other.

576
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,840
I mean, it's just all the stuff with technological evolution.

577
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:45,400
Spiritual evolution collectively has improved but it's not fully there obviously.

578
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,600
It's still a lot of pockets regurgitating similar behaviors.

579
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:54,760
And so with awareness, we have the capacity to really change behaviors and to make better,

580
00:39:54,760 --> 00:40:00,520
more evolved decisions that will allow the spirit to really be more expansive and more

581
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,360
evolved within their journeys.

582
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,360
But it is profound and it's very gentle.

583
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:06,360
It's guided.

584
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,360
It's safe and it's effective.

585
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:13,680
And the worst case scenario from a regression that one can have is many times they remember

586
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:19,320
through going into past lives that they weren't condemned in hell, that they're eternal.

587
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:25,800
And I think in a way the church hit a lot of, religion itself hit a lot of reincarnation

588
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,680
because of fear that people will know that, hey, I don't go to hell.

589
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:30,680
I'm reborn.

590
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,040
So all of your fear mongering that tells me I'm going to go to hell if I don't follow

591
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:38,440
your rules is out the window because that's what people will experience in past lives.

592
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:43,680
But there's no real hell we continue on and there's other opportunities here in this earth

593
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,160
school of life.

594
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:50,600
You mentioned earlier growing up Jewish and you were only three years old and that was

595
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,440
all you had been exposed to.

596
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,280
Do you mind and if this is too personal, that's okay.

597
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,780
You don't have to answer.

598
00:40:57,780 --> 00:41:04,960
But do you mind telling us how this has affect your religiousosity, religionosity?

599
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,720
What is that word I'm looking for?

600
00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:08,720
Religiosity.

601
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:11,320
Yes, going forward.

602
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:18,560
You know, as a kid, I was very much brought up in a very dogmatic circumstance where I

603
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:27,040
don't know, if you're a female and your skirt is one inch a little bit short, you're ridiculed,

604
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:31,360
the pots and pans need to be separated if it's made of milk.

605
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,960
You have to wait six hours, not five hours between eight.

606
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:41,280
So there was a lot of these rituals and laws and dogma that just didn't resonate.

607
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:49,080
And so I think in a way I was a pretty big rebel against this outwardly and inwardly

608
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,200
and I never really bought into this.

609
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:58,080
But again, part of what I believe is key is learning flexibility and adaptability.

610
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:02,280
And I know that's something that Charles Darwin highlighted and survival of fitness, that it

611
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,400
wasn't the strongest, necessarily the smartest that survived.

612
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,400
It was those who are most adaptable that were able to survive.

613
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:16,200
And in my childhood to survive, I had to bury a lot of the stuff in myself and keep it within.

614
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:21,440
Otherwise, it would just be an exhausting all out war against all these oppositions.

615
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:27,560
And so there was a degree of radical acceptance that I had as well as at times picking my

616
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:33,720
battles, but I never really bought into it despite accepting it.

617
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:35,480
And so that was a big part of it.

618
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:41,480
But there's a big monopolization on spirituality, the afterlife within all of religion.

619
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:46,960
And I say, spiritual and the afterlife does not exist because of religion.

620
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,920
It exists despite of it in a way.

621
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,120
And religion does not have a monopoly on spirituality.

622
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,520
It's just one way of understanding it.

623
00:42:55,520 --> 00:43:00,640
But for some, it could be the total antithesis of anything that's spiritual, because it falls

624
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:06,840
in love in more of a God that I think it's interpreted in man's image versus a God understood

625
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,400
in our image in a way.

626
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:09,400
Okay.

627
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,320
I'd like to wrap up with this.

628
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,440
This is a two part question coming at you.

629
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:19,080
Part one is this happened to you when you were only three years old.

630
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:24,520
That makes you different than most three year olds and other kids and teenagers growing

631
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:25,520
up.

632
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,800
So I want to know how this affected your life.

633
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:35,480
And then let's leave everybody with a message of hope that came from your life being this

634
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:36,480
way.

635
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:37,480
Great question, Eric.

636
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:44,920
Well, the subscription for most children and infants is to fit in, is to give your power

637
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:51,880
to adults around you that you're very little, you know nothing and just self abandon yourself

638
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:57,280
and give your power over to people who are bigger than you or you feel, you know, more.

639
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:03,400
So from the onset, there's a suppression and a disempowerment that most infants and

640
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:04,880
children do face.

641
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,440
They're not told that, Hey, you have the answers.

642
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:11,920
You're told, Hey, we have the answers and abandon yourself to really get on board.

643
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:17,060
And the other thing is most infants or children are prescribed to be normal.

644
00:44:17,060 --> 00:44:18,060
What does that mean?

645
00:44:18,060 --> 00:44:24,600
Well, normal in many ways is just self abandoning yourself to fit in with what the leaf and

646
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:29,360
water is, what the tide is in front of you, what everyone else is doing.

647
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:34,120
And so I think to survive that's something that I needed to do, you know, because I remember

648
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:40,200
being a kid and having all these incredible interdimensional communications, which often

649
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,600
is an after effective near death experience, particularly with all the brain changes that

650
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,160
happened after my NDE, but I saw that to survive.

651
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,960
Yeah, you know, I needed to accept that I was a kid.

652
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,120
Oftentimes I was called weird by other kids or just people just didn't know what to make

653
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:56,920
of me growing up.

654
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,720
And so I self abandoned myself.

655
00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:04,560
But I would say is to learn from those who are about to cross over back to the one way

656
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,160
ticket back home, the pun intended.

657
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:11,160
And one of the top five regrets that people have is usually that they were someone else's

658
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:17,800
image of who they wanted them to be or society's priorities of who they wanted to be versus

659
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,640
being empowered enough to be themselves.

660
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:26,240
And so I think if anything else to be weird, to be different, to be yourself, you know,

661
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:28,360
that is what's going to change the world.

662
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,520
You know, no normal person really ever added to anything.

663
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,880
I think we're all unique.

664
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,560
While we're all one, we're all have a unique note to add to this.

665
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:43,440
Just a singer song, dance your dance, you know, say your story, stop worrying about

666
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,240
what other people are going to think of it.

667
00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:49,840
Because no matter what people will love you, people will hate you and very little of it

668
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:55,760
will actually have to do with you as one of the four agreements of Don McGorrie says,

669
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,200
you know, to not take life personally.

670
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,280
So really to know how to live, how to begin life from understanding from those who are

671
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:08,520
at the end of it and to not give your power over to those around you and to not be just

672
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:13,520
a clown to entertain people or to satisfy people with who they want you to be.

673
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:18,560
But we're all here, part of our life's purpose is to remember who we are, to be unique additions

674
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,680
to this world and to be unique.

675
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:21,680
That's what will be remembered.

676
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:22,680
That's what will last.

677
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,880
And so weird and odd people are those who change the world.

678
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,640
Normal people, you know, are never remembered.

679
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:29,640
They don't add.

680
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,160
So be different, be daring.

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That is the coolest thing you could do once you are connected, if that makes sense.

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Great wisdom from Jacob Cooper.

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Thank you, Jacob.

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Appreciate you being with me today.

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An honor.

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Thank you so much, Eric.

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Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast.

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Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.