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From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.
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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.
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And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my
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physical body because I was somewhere else.
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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
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anything else to be felt.
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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.
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I'm back home again.
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Incredibly safe and felt at home.
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Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody.
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And today we are traveling clear over to Zurich, Switzerland to meet with our new friend Dennis
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Bullock.
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And Dennis, welcome.
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How are you?
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Great, great, great.
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Tell me how your day is going already.
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My day is going great because I love to do interviews, to share my experiences and to
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help humanity become more aware of who they really are.
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So before we get going, and I'm going to let our listeners know this is going to be a spectacular
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interview today because we're going to hear about Dennis's really cool spiritual experience
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that he had before he had his near-death experience, if I can put a different label on them, if
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you don't mind, Dennis.
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Sure.
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So we're going to hear about that first and then get into his more classic, you know,
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dying and combat kind of experience.
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But first tell us who's Dennis.
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Let us get to know you a little bit.
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Okay, Dennis Bullock is a musician, saxophonist, a singer.
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Like with a lot of famous people.
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Go ahead and name drop a little bit.
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Oh, Quincy Jones, David Sambal and Marcus Miller, The Stylistics, James Brown, Prince,
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Chaka Khan.
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That's all.
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Nobody too big besides James Brown, Prince, et cetera.
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No, those are huge.
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So you've been a professional musician for how long?
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All my life.
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All my life.
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I mean, that music was a thing that drawed me, you know, singing and playing saxophone.
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I'm a saxophonist and a singer.
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My mother bought me my first saxophone.
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So that's when I started to play.
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So what brought you to Zurich?
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Well, there's a Montreux Jazz Festival.
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They have every year and they have all types of people from all around the world come to
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perform at the festival.
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So I wanted to be in that festival and I got a Swiss agent because I saw that a lot of
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the famous artists, they all had Swiss Asians, you know, like Al Jarrell when he was alive,
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Santana when he was alive, George Benson, Chaka Khan, you know, all of the really big
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names, they all had Swiss agents.
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So I said, well, I want to get a Swiss agent.
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So I got a Swiss agent and then he booked me for the Montreux Jazz Festival and I liked
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it here.
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So I've been in Switzerland ever since.
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I've got to come visit you.
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Oh, sure.
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It's a lot of mountains.
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It's kind of a mix.
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It's kind of, I kind of call it like the California of Europe sort of.
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But without the stress and without the danger zone because we have a lot of mountains here.
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So you get a choice of you can go city, city life or you can go nature mountain life.
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So that's why I'm kind of in between.
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I'm not directly in the city, about 45 minutes out of the city and I'm in the nature.
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So where they grow the wine, the vineyards and there's some mountains and stuff like
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that because I like nature.
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I haven't done any skiing in Europe yet.
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It's a bucket list.
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So I'm going to get over there one of these days.
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Well, if you come over the side, you're going to call me, man.
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So I can show you around.
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I'd love it.
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I would love it.
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Okay.
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Let's jump right into it.
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Let's go back to when you were living in Montreal.
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And we're going to talk about your experience with your mother shortly after she passed
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on.
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Give us a little background.
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What was your relationship like with her?
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Maybe your family upbringing just a little bit.
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Well, my family upbringing was my father was a Marine and a cop.
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So it was very dutiful and very strict.
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Okay.
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My mother was the total opposite.
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My mother was light, love, fun, joy.
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She's the kind of person that would come show me in the morning, come look at the birds,
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look at the birds.
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They're so beautiful.
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Listen, listen.
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She was the joy of my life.
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My father was just more, he loved me, but it was more of a duty.
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What do you want for Christmas?
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Okay.
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Here's your Christmas present.
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What do you want for a birthday?
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Okay.
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Here.
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But that's it.
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He didn't, my father loved me in a dutiful way where my mother really showed her emotions
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about everything.
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She was a very positive person.
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So she gave me the love that I needed.
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My father just more was like a discipline, duty, responsibility, because of his upbringing.
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He came from a military family.
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So that's basically it.
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My mother worked very, very close because she quit her job to marry my father.
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And back in those days, that was how it was.
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She saved her money for three years and bought me my first saxophone.
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And my mother and I was very, very close.
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She was the light and the joy in my life for sure, without a doubt.
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Yeah.
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That was pretty much the relationship with my mom.
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So what happened to her?
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Well, she got sick.
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She got lung cancer and then she died.
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And when she died, it was like somebody turned out the lights in my life, like the light
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switch click.
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My world was crashing.
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After the first two weeks that she died, I started to drink every night.
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I would go to the bar, drink, come.
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I was living in Montreal, Canada, come home and sit on the side of the turn up, come in
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my room, turn out the light and sit on the side of my bed and cry myself to sleep every
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night.
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And I did that for about a week and a half until this one night.
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This night I was doing my usual routine, came in my room, turned out the light, sat on the
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side of my bed and I went to go untie my sneakers.
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But when I went to go untie my sneakers, I noticed that there was light on the ground.
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And I said, that can't be.
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I know.
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I turned out the light.
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That's impossible.
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And this is the crazy part.
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When I looked up, when I looked up, it was like the sun you see in the sky was in my
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room, literally.
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I looked at this with my mouth open like that and it was like a wave from the ocean covered
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me, but the water was love.
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It was like that.
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Love just washed over me and if that wasn't enough, there was these two stars inside the
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sun, which was God, which I found out later.
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And they just floated out to me.
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And as they floated out to me, I noticed that the smaller star was my mother.
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And the first thing I said, mom, because I knew, I felt it.
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I felt it so deeply.
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I said, mom, it's like that over there because it was so much love that it was like I won
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the lottery for a billion dollars.
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I'm in Hawaii and I'm sitting on the beach and everybody around me just loves me.
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It was like that.
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It was so much.
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And so she floated out to me and she started to talk to me.
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But the way she was talking to me, like I'm talking to you right now, but the conversation
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was kind of also being shot into my body, which means like I felt the conversation in
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my body as she was talking.
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I could feel it.
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Every word was in my body.
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And it was a kind of like a telepathy, even though I could hear her clear like I'm talking
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to you, but it was just being shot into me, that whole conversation.
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Just a higher form of communication.
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Oh, much higher.
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Much higher.
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And did she look like her?
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Because you mentioned a star.
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Yes, she stayed.
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She stayed.
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No, she stayed as like a light of star, a light, like a star.
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She stayed like that, but she was talk like, like a star was just talking to me.
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That's how she was doing it.
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She said, I'm going to tell you the future in one week that you're going to know that
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this is not a dream.
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This is not fake.
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This is not an illusion.
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She said, you're going to get a job next week.
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And she said, you're going to, there's going to be a guy at this club, a bouncer.
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And she said, he's going to be a homosexual and he's going to be a psychopath.
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Now she said, whatever you do, don't get into an argument with him.
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And then she started to talk about timeline.
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She said, there's two timelines that will happen if you get into an argument with him.
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The first timeline, he will kill you.
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The second timeline, he will kill him, but you go to jail for the rest of your life for
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murder.
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And she said, one of these two timelines are going to happen if you get into an argument
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with him.
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And I said, no, no, mama, I listened to what you're going to say.
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I'm so happy to see you.
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Of course I do exactly whatever you tell me.
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And she said, and there's another thing, your girlfriend, she has three kids that you don't
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know about.
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And she's going to try to have a fourth kid with you.
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So be careful about that.
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And then there was a pause in the conversation.
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And then I said, but mom, who is this other light that's with you?
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Because this light was bigger than her.
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This light was like seven feet, seven foot tall light.
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And when I asked her, who was this light, this light spoke to me, said, I'm an escort.
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I escorted your mother to the earth.
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And I said an escort.
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Oh, wow.
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Well, I said, I got some questions.
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And as I said, you know, I have God in my room.
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My room is like Star Wars right now.
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It's all lit up.
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So I said, I got some questions.
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I want to know who's going to be my wife.
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How many kids I'm going to have?
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Why am I here?
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And this, I call it like an angel.
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It said, I'm going to answer all your questions, but you won't be allowed to remember only what
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your mother says.
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So it answered every question I asked, but I could only remember what my mom said.
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And then my mother told me after the angel said that, then my mother said, I love you
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and I'll always be around you, but you won't realize that I'm around you like I am tonight.
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You won't realize it as much, but I'll always be around you.
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And then she said she loved me and then they both floated back to the sun.
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That was like waiting in my room patiently back to the sun.
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And then my lights started to dim like ice cubes in a glass melting slowly, but surely
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my room got dark and dark and dark.
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And when it totally got dark, tears burst out my eyes.
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Man, they just burst out my eyes because I said, nobody's ever going to believe this.
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Nobody's ever going to believe this happened, man.
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Nobody's going to believe this, but I got the proof.
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Okay.
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Before you hop into that, I want to interject just a couple of things and I want to hear
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about the proof.
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It's interesting that you said you learned all these things, had all the questions answered,
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but you couldn't remember them.
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That is not unusual.
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I've had other people on the show tell me similar things.
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For example, one person said, I was shown the creation of the world and how it happened.
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And I can't remember it.
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I know I saw it.
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I know I learned it, but I can't remember it.
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And many other things similar to that.
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And I have ideas of why I think maybe that is, maybe it's better for us or something.
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But isn't it interesting that you would be taught something that you would not be able
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to remember right now?
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Like what's the point?
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Have you thought about that?
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Well, the thing is, is that at that time, I hadn't met my kids or who I'm going to marry
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or I hadn't met them.
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And maybe if they had told me, I would have influenced the future somehow, you know, because
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it was obvious that they knew, my mother knew the future.
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I look at it like this.
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We're on the bottom floor, but they're in the Empire State Building at the top.
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They can see all around in the future in the past.
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They can see it all.
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We can only see the ground floor, which is right in front of us.
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So that's why at that time, those specific questions, if I had remembered, it might have
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influenced me in the wrong way or that person that I would have met, it might have changed
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things somehow.
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You know, it's like, I guess it's like time travel.
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You know, if you go and if you mess up too many things in the, in the, in the time, timeline
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that you're on, you kind of can change the future also.
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And would it really be good for us to know all of the future?
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No.
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It was not necessary.
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I mean, well, yes and no.
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I mean, in my case, with my mother, yes, it was necessary with what she had to say, but
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what I had to say, no.
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Okay.
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Let's get into that.
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So she told you two things.
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Make the right choice about having a confrontation with this bouncer.
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Yes.
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And she told you about your girlfriend having three children.
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Right.
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Right.
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That I didn't know about.
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That you did not know about.
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How long had you been dating her?
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About the year and a half, almost two years.
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And maybe she has kept a huge secret this whole time.
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Oh, most, most definitely, but I'm going to tell it in the story.
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Let's talk about the bouncer first.
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Go for it.
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Okay.
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And like I said, I have to proof.
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Now my band at the time of, after that incident, my band, we hadn't worked in about two, three
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weeks.
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It was like a dry spell, really bad.
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And the next day after the incident with my mother, I got a phone call from the band.
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Hey, we got a job.
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Now I didn't tell my band what had happened with my dead mother because I didn't want
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them to think, oh, you know, he's a great singer, a great saxophone player, but he lost
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it since his mother died.
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You know, so I didn't mention anything to them.
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I said, Oh, great.
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We got a job.
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So I said, Oh, wow.
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Things look beginning.
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I hung up the phone and I said, Oh, wow.
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Things are beginning to look like what my mom said.
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The next day after that, I went to the sound check.
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We call sound check.
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The sound check for people who do not know, it's when the band goes and checks the instruments
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and the PA sound system to make sure there's no problems before the show, about three hours,
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four hours before the show actually starts.
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So I went to the sound check.
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There was a huge bouncer at this club.
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I had never done this club before.
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And so anyway, we went to do the sound check and I saw this huge bouncer there, but nothing
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happened.
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He didn't say nothing to me.
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I didn't say nothing to him.
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And we did the sound check.
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Everything went normal, smooth.
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And then I left and then I came back for the show at night.
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And I came in the club and of course there was the bouncer, that huge bouncer, but he
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didn't say nothing to me.
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I didn't say nothing to him.
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And so so far, everything was good.
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So we did our first set, great show.
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People liked it.
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And we were on our break because we had two shows to do.
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And while I was on my break, I was talking to the band.
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This was me and this was the band.
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So we all were talking on the break.
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And then this bouncer walked by me and grabbed my butt, just grabbed it like that.
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And I was talking and went, hey, and then he walked away and went in the corner.
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I said to the guys, hey guys, did you see that guy that just walked?
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He just grabbed my butt, man.
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I gotta tell this guy something.
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And they said no, they didn't see it.
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They just saw him pass because I was in front.
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So they only saw him pass.
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They couldn't see the grab because I was standing between me and the guy.
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So I went over this guy and I was really angry.
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And then I said, hey, wait a minute, don't lose it, man.
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Don't lose it.
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Remember what your mother said.
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Remember what your mother said.
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Don't lose it, man.
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Now, I want to say this really clear is that I have nothing against homosexual, gay, trans
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sexual, whatever, a person's sexual preferences.
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I have nothing against that.
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But if you know that I'm not a homosexual and you still come after me, of course, I'm
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gonna try to defend my manhood.
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That's just how I am.
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But this time I said, don't lose it, man.
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Don't lose it.
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Just tell him you're not like that and not to touch you.
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And that's what I did.
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I went over and said, listen, man, I'm not like that.
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Please don't touch me no more.
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He said, you had too much to drink, man.
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I didn't touch you.
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I said, yeah, you did touch me, man.
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I'm telling you, I'm not like that.
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Please don't touch me.
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And then he said, why did you tell your friends?
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I said, I told my friends because that's what you did.
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But listen, I'm not like that.
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So please don't touch me.
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And then I walked away because if I had stayed longer, the conversation was going right to
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the point where my mother was talking about.
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Yeah, it was escalating.
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Yes.
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So I left.
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And when I left, I did my second show.
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I didn't hang out.
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I didn't hang in that club after.
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Like normally I would hang out, you know, you do the show and now it's finished everybody
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said, I didn't hang out because I didn't, I didn't like that, this guy and the situation.
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So I finished my show and I left the club.
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He didn't say nothing to me no more after that.
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And I went home.
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Next day I get a phone call from the band because they stayed.
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I didn't stay.
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And they said, Hey man, did you hear what happened?
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I said, no, what happened?
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He said, remember that guy you said, grabbed you and stuff that bouncer.
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I said, yeah.
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He said he got into an argument with the club owner and crushed both of his rib cages.
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And now he's in jail for manslaughter and he's in jail to this day.
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Okay.
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And the other thing I want to say, this guy was huge.
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I mean, I don't know if you ever saw the Hulk, the green guy.
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Yeah, Alfred Rignell.
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Yes, he was in that category.
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Wow.
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Huge, huge.
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He said that to me and I said, Oh, wow, man, that's messed up, man.
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Because that club owner, when I went to that club, I noticed that I knew that club owner.
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I knew him from another club and he was a good friend and he was cool people, man.
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And now he didn't deserve that to die.
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So I hung up the phone.
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I still didn't say nothing to the band about what I knew.
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I hung up the phone and I said, Oh my God, everything my mother said is coming true.
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Everything, everything.
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And I said, well, if that's true, my girlfriend.
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I said, Oh no, it can't be.
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I knew her for almost two years now.
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Can't be.
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She has three kids.
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No way.
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I got to call her.
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So I called her right away.
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I said, and the phone rang.
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She said, Hello, hey, hey, it's me.
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How you doing?
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And I said, tell me something.
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Just tell me the truth.
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Do you have three kids?
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And then the phone went silent.
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And then after a little bit of silence, she said, who told you?
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And I said, no way, no way, no way.
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No way.
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I said, I got to ask you again.
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Maybe you don't understand.
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I said, do you have three kids?
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And she said, yes, I do.
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But who told you?
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She wanted to know because she was angry.
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And I said, well, I'm going to tell you who told me, my dead mother told me.
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And I said, me and you are finished.
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I said, if you're going to deny your kids, I don't know what else you could be hiding.
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I said, I could accept you with your kids if you had been truthful about it.
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But you denied it for almost two years.
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I said, we're finished.
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And then I hung up the phone.
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And that was it.
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And then I knew everything my mother said was true.
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And at the end of that point, I said, well, I'm going to try to go back to normal life
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because I still felt that nobody, nobody is going to believe that story.
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Sure.
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Nobody's going to understand or even believe that story.
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I said, let's try to go back to normal life.
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Okay.
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Now I'm getting ready to start the situation going leading to the NDE.
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Now I tried to get back to normal life and I started to follow this singer.
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He was in this renewed platters, not the original platters, but a renewed group.
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Okay.
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Because the original platters, I'm too young for that.
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But a renewed group.
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This guy was great.
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We had contracts in Germany, Montreal, Canada, albums in Canada.
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We won the best act in Canada.
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A lot of things and contracts in Germany and everywhere in America.
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And he was great.
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A killer vocal, killer vocals.
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And one night as I was doing his shows with him learning, because he was like my mentor,
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he introduced me to drugs.
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And I started to do drugs with him, which I'm not so proud about, I have to say.
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But I thought that that was the way, because he was successful.
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I said, I said, I want to be successful too.
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So I started to do drugs with him.
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So I did drugs with him.
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And then all of a sudden, about, I guess a year, he died.
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After one weekend of show we did together the next day, he passed away.
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And when he passed away, that was my wake up call.
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I stopped cold talking.
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No drugs, no nothing.
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And I replaced it.
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And I said, I'm going to replace it with marijuana.
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I said, I smoke a joint every now and then, that's okay.
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Once a month or whatever, that's okay.
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But no more hard drugs.
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So that's what I did.
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But my new girlfriend, we were in an apartment in Montreal, Canada, and we ran out of marijuana.
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I didn't have any marijuana that day.
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Now this is not against musicians, but I have to say, most musicians know where to get marijuana,
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no matter what country or no matter what city they're in.
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It's just like that.
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So I ran out of marijuana.
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So I just called one of my musician friends and said, hey, do you got to do marijuana?
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I ran out, I don't have any.
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And he said, sure, I got to bake it in a cake and I'll bring it over to you.
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I said, great, I never had it in the cake before.
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So he baked it in a cake.
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Now I found out later that he put tons and tons and tons of marijuana in that cake.
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A lot, a super lot.
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And this is street marijuana.
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This is not that, you know, like they have it now.
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It's all processed.
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Yeah, regulated, chemical free, all that.
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Measured all that kind of stuff.
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But when you say a lot, compare it to like one joint, was it like 10?
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The amount of 10, was it?
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Now I would say more like the amount of 30 or 40.
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Okay.
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Or maybe more.
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Maybe more.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, maybe more.
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He was being very generous.
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Well, the thing was, I guess he was.
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You know, because he thought it was like an honor, you know, hey, you know, the super
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cool musician, man, I'm going to make sure he can take, you know, a little piece of this
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cake and he going to get blasted.
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So he poured the whole kitchen sink into, I mean, a bag, a bag full.
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So you're talking about maybe 40, 50 joints or more.
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Okay.
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In that one chocolate cake.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Now, okay, he brought the cake over to my apartment, left it with me and my girlfriend.
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00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:42,760
And he left.
496
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,080
I never took marijuana in food or in the cake.
497
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,880
I always smoked it.
498
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:53,480
So I cut a small piece for her and I got a small piece for me because my friend didn't
499
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,480
tell me how much marijuana he put in it.
500
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,600
So I didn't know at all.
501
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,560
I took a small piece for me, small piece for her.
502
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,120
We both ate it.
503
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:06,120
And I said, 10 minutes went by and I said, do you feel anything?
504
00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:07,120
She said, no.
505
00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:08,120
I said, I don't feel anything either.
506
00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:11,320
I said, maybe we got to eat more.
507
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:12,320
Now hang on.
508
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:17,520
Did you not feel it because the effects are a lot slower when you eat it versus smoking
509
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:18,520
it?
510
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:23,920
What I get is that, yes, the effects are a lot slower when you eat it than smoking it,
511
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:29,640
but it's more potent when you eat it than smoking it because it's going directly into
512
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,120
your bloodstream.
513
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:36,080
Whether smoking it, you have a, you can, you kind of regulating it as you take in or take
514
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,080
out your lungs are regulating it.
515
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,920
But with food, no, you're going directly into the bloodstream.
516
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,600
But my understanding is it takes longer.
517
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:51,480
So 10 minutes went by and you're like, eh, didn't work.
518
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:52,480
Yeah.
519
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:53,480
Yeah.
520
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:54,480
Because I never had it in a cake.
521
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,480
I never ate it.
522
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,080
So I thought, oh, you're going to eat it.
523
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,400
And maybe it's going to be, you know, it's going to be faster even because, you know,
524
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,040
it's going straight into the body.
525
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,800
So 10 minutes will buy nothing happened.
526
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,120
So we said, ah, maybe we got to eat more.
527
00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:10,600
I think you've got to eat more because maybe I didn't know.
528
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,520
I thought maybe he didn't put a lot in the cake.
529
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:19,960
So I cut half of the cake and I gave her half the other half and I took the other half.
530
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:20,960
Okay.
531
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,960
Now we ate that cake.
532
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,720
Another 10 minutes went by.
533
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:25,720
Still nothing.
534
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,120
Well, you ate the whole cake?
535
00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:29,120
Not me.
536
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:30,360
My, me and my girlfriend ate the whole cake.
537
00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:31,360
Yeah.
538
00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:32,840
But you ate half a cake.
539
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:33,840
Yes.
540
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:34,840
Yes.
541
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:35,840
I'm sorry.
542
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:36,840
This isn't funny, but it's kind of funny.
543
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,760
Yeah, because we wanted to get high, you know, we really wanted to get high.
544
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,440
10, another 10 minutes will buy nothing happened.
545
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,120
And then I said, must be a bad batch.
546
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,880
I said, we ate the whole cake, isn't it?
547
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,520
And then we start to feel something.
548
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:56,880
Now when we started to feel something, it's, it felt like we were getting beginning to
549
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:04,120
get high, but then it started to cut off our bodily functions.
550
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,200
For example, I was talking with her and then I would forget to breathe.
551
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,560
And I'll go, oh, I said, I forgot to breathe.
552
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:12,560
This is weird.
553
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:13,560
I said, are you feeling that?
554
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,800
She says, yes, I feel the same.
555
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:20,080
And then it started to be difficult for me to move even, to even move.
556
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:25,680
And then she said, I think you better call 911 while we still can.
557
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,440
And I said, yeah, I think you're right.
558
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:33,920
And I was pulling myself to the phone and I finally picked up the phone and I dialed
559
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,760
911 and I said, and then they answered, hello, how can we help you?
560
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,920
And I said, and this is the embarrassing part.
561
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:48,440
I said, well, I think we ate too much marijuana in a cake and I think we're dying.
562
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,000
I said, could you come please help us, please save us.
563
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,920
And she said, okay, we'll be right over.
564
00:29:54,920 --> 00:30:00,520
Now what I didn't realize is that if you call 911 about any narcotic, they also call the
565
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,720
police.
566
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,200
So the police came with them.
567
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,400
But when the police arrived at the apartment, there was no evidence because we had to eat
568
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:10,400
the whole cake.
569
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,560
So there was nothing to charge us with.
570
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:17,960
So they left and then the ambulance took us.
571
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,840
And by the way, it was late by this time.
572
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,760
It was like around maybe four in the morning.
573
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,840
And so they took us in separate stretchers.
574
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,640
We're on the third floor.
575
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,840
We're in a stairwell case step going down.
576
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:39,160
So as they carry in us, we have our neighbors on the second and first floor and they have
577
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,320
big windows right in front of the staircase.
578
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,040
So they're looking at us.
579
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,680
I'm in a stretcher going down as they carried me down.
580
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,440
And they're in the window saying, what happened to them?
581
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,840
Lights are flashing like crazy.
582
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,280
It sounds like seeing that of David Bowie, Mick Jarvis overdosing.
583
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,240
They looked like that for me.
584
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,640
It was crazy.
585
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,160
So they took us out and they rushed us to the hospital.
586
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:10,360
I was glad that they arrived because by the time they arrived, my heart was just trying
587
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:15,200
to beat because I couldn't hardly move at all.
588
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,200
And I said, thank God they're here to hear.
589
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:23,560
And my heart was trying to beat and I was really fighting to live because I know I didn't
590
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:24,560
have long man.
591
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,320
I didn't have long to live.
592
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,720
They took us in the ambulance and we rushed to the hospital.
593
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,880
And here's another strange thing that happened.
594
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:40,640
As I'm going past the reception at the hospital, there's my dead mother again.
595
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:47,040
But this time she's looking through papers at the reception looking for me.
596
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:52,040
And she had this shirt on that she had.
597
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,200
She was in a women's club.
598
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,360
The club is like 10 women and they go play bingo together.
599
00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,360
They go on trips together.
600
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:00,800
It's like a women's club.
601
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:07,440
And she had this shirt that I recognized that she always wears at this women's club.
602
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,040
And I was in a stretcher and I said, that's weird.
603
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,080
They're small.
604
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,480
And they wrote me to my room.
605
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:19,800
And what I didn't realize at that time, what I realized later was that I was so close to
606
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:20,800
death.
607
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:25,800
That's why I was able to see her clearly like I see you right now.
608
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,280
They wrote me to my room and they wheeled my girlfriend to another room.
609
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,640
She was having other complications.
610
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,720
I don't know what, but she was having other complications.
611
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,800
But anyway, they wrote me to my room and they gave me this black drink to drink.
612
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:43,120
I thought it was tar, but I found out later it was charcoal.
613
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,120
Yeah.
614
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,360
Helps take toxins out.
615
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:46,360
Yeah.
616
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:52,760
I'm laying on my bed in my room, I'm in a hospital room by myself.
617
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:53,760
I'm laying on my bed.
618
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:59,720
They leave my room and they are going to my girlfriend's room to work on her because I
619
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,760
don't know if they had to pump her heart again or something was terribly wrong.
620
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,800
I'm in the hospital room thinking, wow, okay, I think I'm going to live, man.
621
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:09,800
I'm going to live.
622
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,280
So I drink this drink.
623
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:12,280
Tastes horrible.
624
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:13,280
Tastes horrible.
625
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,920
But I drink it down and I'm relaxed.
626
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:24,640
I relax and sit laying on my bed and all of a sudden as I'm relaxing, I start to hear
627
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,240
my heart.
628
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:36,080
My heart starts to beat in my ear and it starts to be boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
629
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:41,040
And when it went like that, the last beat, I jumped out of my chair.
630
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,640
I mean, I jumped out of my bed.
631
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,120
It's like I jumped out of my chair.
632
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,480
I just jumped out of my body.
633
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,320
And when I jumped out of my body, I said, I'm out.
634
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,000
I'm out.
635
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,440
And it was so easy.
636
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,280
I could see my body in the hospital bed.
637
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:05,880
I was standing next to my body and I was looking at my hand just like I'm showing you now.
638
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,600
It's funny, it just disappeared a little bit.
639
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:14,800
It was looking at my hand, it had like, I don't know how to explain it like this.
640
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,760
I don't know if you used to watch TV and they used to have the emergency broadcasting system
641
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:19,760
come on.
642
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:20,760
Sure.
643
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:25,520
Late at night and there would be the static on the TV, shh, right?
644
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,640
And then the static, if you look hard enough, there was like colors.
645
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,760
If you really look at the static, it wasn't just gray.
646
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:39,840
My hand was like that, kind of like a grayish, a gray with a light blue tint around it all
647
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:40,840
around my hand.
648
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,960
I was looking at it like that.
649
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,960
And then I heard a drop of water.
650
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:52,400
It was a sink in my hospital room and it was just a drop of water just going boop, boop.
651
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:59,720
And for some odd reason, to a soul, a drop of water was amazing.
652
00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:03,920
I said, when I heard the drop of water, I said, a drop of water.
653
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,520
Wow.
654
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:10,120
And the minute I thought about the drop of water, my vision went right up close to it
655
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:16,120
and then right back to where I was standing without me moving.
656
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,120
Okay.
657
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:23,560
Then I said, I got, I want to freeze this water so I can see it more because it was
658
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,680
drifting.
659
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,560
And it was like I was remembering.
660
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:32,560
Like if I give you a bike to ride, if you hadn't had a bike in 20 years and I give you
661
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,400
a bike to ride, you're still going to know how to ride it, right?
662
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,400
Yes.
663
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:42,120
Well, this how it was when I wanted to stop this water.
664
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,840
I said, I want to freeze this water.
665
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:44,920
And I said, oh yeah.
666
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:49,720
And I just pushed my hand across the air just like I'm doing right now.
667
00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:51,600
And the water froze.
668
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,600
I stopped time.
669
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,600
To a soul, that was not an amazing thing.
670
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,000
I was like, okay.
671
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,640
And then I said, I'd like to see that water from every angle.
672
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,400
And then I opened my hand like this.
673
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:11,120
And when I opened my hand, five of me appeared at the sink.
674
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:17,080
One on the right, one on the left, one under the sink, looking at the water up, one standing,
675
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:22,200
watching those three, another one, and then me watching all of them.
676
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:28,960
And then when I would close my hand, they all suck back to me.
677
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,160
And I said, wow, that's cool.
678
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,080
And I opened my hand again.
679
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,560
They all went back.
680
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:35,560
And I kept doing it.
681
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:40,000
So you're having fun with this whole thing.
682
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,000
I like it.
683
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,000
Yes.
684
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,000
Yes.
685
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,000
Yes.
686
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:50,200
And then I said, what if I add a little shake and then I opened my hand and I did a little
687
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,480
shake like that, and they all appeared with a little shake.
688
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,640
And I burst out laughing.
689
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,840
I burst out laughing.
690
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:04,320
And my laugh sounded on the other side like you're laughing in a Grand Canyon.
691
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:09,240
And after the laugh, I felt somebody was watching me.
692
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:10,520
Then I heard a voice.
693
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:16,600
And the voice was like how a parent would tell a child at a playground, don't run around
694
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:17,600
a corner too fast.
695
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:18,600
You might fall.
696
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:23,200
Well, this voice said to me in a loving, gentle way.
697
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:29,160
It said, if you don't go back now, you may have to stay.
698
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,440
And I said to the voice, oh, yeah, that's right.
699
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,080
My heart can't say stop that long.
700
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:42,240
And I never questioned who the voice was because I felt it was God talking to me.
701
00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:45,160
Oh, yeah, there's another thing.
702
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:51,840
While I was out of my body, the best way to describe this was like, if you have Alka-seltzer
703
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,040
and you put an Alka-seltzer in water, it dissolves, right?
704
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,040
Sure.
705
00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:01,440
While I was out of my body, information was doing the opposite, expanding.
706
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,160
More and more and more and more and more information, more and more information, as long as I was
707
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,400
out more and more and more information.
708
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:15,120
It was like I was getting all this information like a sponge, okay, about things that I didn't
709
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:21,000
like, was the opposite of what I believed, okay, a lot of things.
710
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:25,480
Anyway, I'll tell you about that more, but that was happening all the time that I was
711
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,360
out of my body.
712
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,640
Then I pointed myself after the voice told me, if I don't go back now, I might have to
713
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,080
stay.
714
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,080
That was a choice.
715
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,080
It was not a command.
716
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,200
It was not an order.
717
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,280
It was just a choice.
718
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:43,960
And I chose to go back because I said, you know, I don't want to die right now.
719
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,360
I don't want to stay right now.
720
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,960
I have things I wanted to do in life.
721
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,600
I pointed myself at the body.
722
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,480
And here's another thing.
723
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:57,600
I looked at the body, but I never wanted to look at the face because I was afraid that
724
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:02,200
my face was going to have some look of death or something like that.
725
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,600
So I didn't want to look at my face, but I saw I was out of my body.
726
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,120
My body was there and I was standing here.
727
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:13,200
I pointed myself at my body and I told my soul, okay, now we go into the body.
728
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:18,960
And I jumped into the body and my heart did a double beat like that and it started to
729
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,720
beat again.
730
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:23,800
Then that was the end of my NDE.
731
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:24,800
Okay.
732
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,560
Before we go on, I want to interject some questions here.
733
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:28,560
Okay.
734
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:29,560
Okay.
735
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,760
Sounds like it was like you intuitively knew how to get back in.
736
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,400
I think I find that very interesting.
737
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,200
Is that how you felt?
738
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:40,880
Well, the thing was, I was beginning to remember more and more.
739
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:45,880
The longer I stayed, the more and more I started to remember I had powers.
740
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:52,280
At first it was funny, but I still was going to try because I said, I'm going to try.
741
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,040
That was my intent while I was in my soul.
742
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,960
I'm going to try to get back in my body now.
743
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:03,800
But I felt a lot of confidence because I had God that had just said, if you don't go back
744
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,200
now, you might have to stay.
745
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:10,520
So that gave me the confidence to say, and God is going to help me to arrange.
746
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:15,520
If I can't get it right, God's going to help me to get back in because God is watching
747
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:16,520
me.
748
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:17,520
God is watching me now.
749
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:18,520
That's what I felt before.
750
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:24,280
I didn't feel like anybody was watching me, but then after I laughed, I felt then God
751
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:25,480
was watching me.
752
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,000
Oh, that's cool.
753
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,320
You mentioned that you felt this expansion of information.
754
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:32,560
Yes.
755
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,360
Can you tell us any of the things?
756
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,360
Do you remember any of that information?
757
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,720
This is the good thing.
758
00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:42,400
This time I was able to remember everything.
759
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,040
Give us a couple of things you remember.
760
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,760
These are things that were opposite of what I believed.
761
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:54,440
For example, on the other side, there's no right or wrong, only perception.
762
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,880
God never judges you.
763
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,200
Angels never judge you.
764
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,040
Gods never judge you.
765
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,520
There's no judgment on the other side.
766
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,040
There's no judgment in unconditional love.
767
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,320
There is no judgment.
768
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,480
Why do people experience hell even?
769
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,120
I got that.
770
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:15,480
Because while you're on this plane, because, oh yeah, I have to tell you that part first.
771
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,800
First, we are part of God who we are.
772
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:29,120
We are part of God and we are gods with a big G. Part of God, but we also are gods.
773
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:36,520
The other thing is why people experience hell when they die is because when you're a god,
774
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:41,720
whatever you fear, you can create.
775
00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:42,720
You create.
776
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:44,960
You're creating on the other side.
777
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:52,000
Even now, if you have any fears here, you're creating things on the other side.
778
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,880
What happens is when the people die because they're so afraid and they're so powerful
779
00:41:55,880 --> 00:42:00,800
gods because whatever they believe, so be it because they are a god.
780
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,320
Don't forget.
781
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,880
So they will experience hell.
782
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:06,880
What is hell?
783
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,040
Hell is what they created, not God.
784
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:14,960
Because if God was to create hell, guess what?
785
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,120
Nobody would get up.
786
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:22,400
And the second thing is hundreds of people are dying and going to hell and getting out.
787
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,680
And two things either happen with that.
788
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,880
Either they realize, hey, it's me that's creating this place.
789
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:29,880
It's me.
790
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,960
It's not real.
791
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:32,960
And they leave.
792
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,880
They say, oh, God, please help me.
793
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,520
And then God comes and says, OK, I'm going to help you get out of your own creation.
794
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,520
And he takes you out.
795
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:43,520
And that's it.
796
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,360
And they think, oh, God gave me a second chance.
797
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:55,040
No, you created that because God is only, only, only, only, only, only love.
798
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,040
That's it.
799
00:42:56,040 --> 00:43:01,040
I also got there's also the same thing as about heaven.
800
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,680
People experience heaven.
801
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:04,920
They believe it's heaven.
802
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,400
They believe heaven exists.
803
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,080
So they go to this heavenly realm and hardly nobody's there.
804
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:14,400
Maybe Mary, maybe Jesus is there.
805
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,880
And they realize, hey, wait, there's nobody here.
806
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,160
There's nothing happening here.
807
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,560
Yeah, because you created that.
808
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:26,760
Because on the other side, basically everything is heaven because it's all from God.
809
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,120
Everything is everything.
810
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,240
It's not a designated place.
811
00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:34,360
OK, now there's different dimensions.
812
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:35,360
Yes.
813
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,640
There's many realms.
814
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:38,880
Yes.
815
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:43,760
But there's not a designated place to say, this is heaven and now you made it.
816
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:44,760
No.
817
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,760
Or you're in hell and that's over here on the left side.
818
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:48,760
Yeah, exactly.
819
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:49,760
Exactly.
820
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,360
Yeah, that makes a ton of sense.
821
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:52,880
So that's the other thing.
822
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,440
Yeah, because in a Christian living, a Christian religion, you're never supposed to get out
823
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:57,440
of hell.
824
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:58,440
But never.
825
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:04,440
OK, so why are hundreds and hundreds are getting out?
826
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:05,440
We create that.
827
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,320
So the other thing is why we came here.
828
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,320
We came here to experience what we are not.
829
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,960
OK, we came here to basically experience.
830
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:23,440
It is not a school like everybody trying to say a lot of spiritual teachers or my soul
831
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:24,840
needs to grow.
832
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,840
Now your soul is perfect on the other side.
833
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,240
But think of it like this.
834
00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:33,800
On the other side, you have all this knowledge.
835
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:39,360
It's like you read the book on how to drive a car, but you've never driven the car.
836
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:45,640
And you come in this third density, third 3D density, to actually experience how to drive
837
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:46,640
the car.
838
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,320
Because on the other side, it's too high density.
839
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,680
OK, so you come here to experience how to drive the car.
840
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,080
And that's the whole thing.
841
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,480
We come here to experience.
842
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,000
Now, in that experience, do you get something out of it?
843
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,320
Or you get something?
844
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,160
Yeah, probably sure.
845
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:09,240
You have something extra added to your soul, but it's not making your soul better than
846
00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:10,400
another soul.
847
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,920
Or it's not because my soul needs it.
848
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,400
And otherwise, I don't grow.
849
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:16,400
No.
850
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,560
Having this experience is an experience that you have.
851
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:24,480
And other souls can access it once you're on the other side, but it's quite not the
852
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,440
same as experiencing it.
853
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,920
Because when you experience it on the other side, you cannot change it.
854
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,360
Let's say you want to, let's say you're a spirit on the other side, and you want to
855
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,200
see how it was like to be Elvis.
856
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:45,960
So you go to the Akashic Records, and you go to his life, and you go and trade energies.
857
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:51,360
And you actually will feel how it feels to be Elvis, but you cannot change anything that
858
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,240
Elvis did already.
859
00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:54,240
You see?
860
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:56,560
So you can't change that life.
861
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:01,280
You're like a robot in that life to feel how he does it.
862
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:06,840
But the person who actually did it, they have a little something extra about it.
863
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,360
And that's the whole point.
864
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,240
And that's when we come to experience what we're not.
865
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:16,680
Because for example, you're white, and you're in a white room, and everything you see is
866
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:17,680
white.
867
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:18,680
Guess what?
868
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:24,920
You don't know you're white, unless you see a black room or a green room or a purple room.
869
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,800
And you say, oh, I'm the white room.
870
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,480
It's the same on the other side.
871
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:35,880
If you're experiencing only love, security, you don't even know what fear feels like.
872
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:44,120
But then when you come here and you experience the illusion of fear, no love, even death,
873
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,840
which is illusion, you can never die.
874
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:52,920
Then when you go back, you say, oh, wow, look what I, this is amazing what we have.
875
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,200
Really interesting stuff.
876
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:55,360
You see my point?
877
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:56,760
And that's, and that's the whole point.
878
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,160
That's why I say we come here to experience what we're not.
879
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:04,800
Do you think there are some things that we need to take on this physical form in this
880
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:12,680
place to experience that we couldn't in the other realm and just as spirit beings?
881
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:17,200
Most definitely, most definitely because some things are too low density.
882
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:18,200
Yeah.
883
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:19,200
Okay.
884
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:20,720
3D is a low density.
885
00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:21,720
Okay.
886
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:24,440
On the other side, it's a much higher density.
887
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:25,440
Yeah.
888
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,360
But we can learn a lot by coming down here.
889
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,080
I shouldn't say coming down.
890
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:36,560
But as you put it, this density, this realm, we, there are a lot of things to learn.
891
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:42,200
Well, not learn, but experience, my friend, experience, because what you're going to understand
892
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:50,640
is that your soul on the other side does not need to learn or it does not need it.
893
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,520
It's just an experience.
894
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,600
And that's what people got to get because that's a human way of thinking, oh, I have
895
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:02,640
to go to school, I have to learn to something, it's not, it's just an experience because
896
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:09,560
when you go back, it's not that, oh, I really needed to know how it felt to be lot and have
897
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:10,560
no love.
898
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,120
I really needed to know.
899
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:13,120
Not really.
900
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,840
But through the experience, we gain something.
901
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:24,280
Oh, you do gain something from the experience, but, but it's not, how can I say it's not
902
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,400
your soul is better or more wiser?
903
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:34,160
It's just something added because the thing is, like I said, if I want to experience,
904
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:39,200
like I said, evil, conneval who jumping motorcycles, I want to experience how, how it felt to be
905
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:40,840
in the air on a motorcycle.
906
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:46,120
I could go with you, ask it, a classic records and, and experience it.
907
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:47,600
But I couldn't experience it.
908
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:53,320
I only could experience it from his eyes, from his viewpoint, from his feelings or emotions.
909
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:57,040
But you're still different after you had that experience.
910
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,200
Something changed within you because you experienced it.
911
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,720
You mean my near death experience?
912
00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:12,000
No, if you, if you went back and experienced Elvis's life to use your example or evil,
913
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:13,000
conneval.
914
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,920
Yeah, you'll have a, you'll have an extra, you'll have an extra experience under your
915
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:24,160
belt, but it doesn't, it's not going to make you more worthy or more powerful than another
916
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,160
soul.
917
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:29,440
No, no, not in comparison, but we've done it for a reason.
918
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,600
Yeah, we've done it to experience.
919
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,640
We got something from it or what was the point?
920
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,560
Well, the, well, we got us the experience.
921
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:38,560
Yeah.
922
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:39,560
Okay.
923
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:43,560
When you were in this hospital room and you stepped out of your body.
924
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:44,560
Yeah.
925
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:45,920
What, what was the word you use?
926
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:46,920
Did you jump out?
927
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,280
Did you just step out?
928
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:49,840
No, I just said, I'm out.
929
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:50,840
I popped out.
930
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,200
I like, like I would jump out of this chair.
931
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:54,920
That's how what happened.
932
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:59,160
The minute my heart did the last beat, I popped out.
933
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:04,160
Did you also feel like you went somewhere else or like you were in that hospital room
934
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:05,560
the whole time?
935
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,840
Some people feel like they travel someplace.
936
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:08,840
Some people don't.
937
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,480
I just felt that the time was different.
938
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:12,480
Okay.
939
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:13,480
That makes sense.
940
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:14,480
Okay.
941
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:19,680
I was dead for about 20 minutes, but on the other side, it felt like hours.
942
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,640
Like I was playing around.
943
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,080
I was laughing.
944
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:31,720
It just felt like at least more than almost two hours, it felt like in spiritual time.
945
00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:37,920
But in human time, it was probably about 20, 20 minutes, 25 minutes at best.
946
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,600
Let's talk about the choice.
947
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:40,720
Okay.
948
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:44,840
Tell me again about your choice to come back or to stay there.
949
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:50,520
God said, I felt first that somebody was watching me and then I heard a voice and it was from
950
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:51,520
behind me.
951
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:55,160
I felt somebody was watching me and I didn't feel that before.
952
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:59,280
Before I felt alone and I was just having a ball like a kid.
953
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:04,400
Like I said, it turned it a little bit into Bugs Bunny because I had these powers and
954
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:05,840
I said, I can do that.
955
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:06,840
Wow.
956
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:07,840
Let's try this.
957
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:08,960
Hey, what if I put a little shake?
958
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:14,440
Like, you know, when I left my body, it was like I left an old shirt on the chair.
959
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:19,440
I had no concern about that body because I knew that this was like, this is the real
960
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:20,520
me.
961
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,360
But I was at the same time kind of discovering as I was going along.
962
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,440
And then what were you told when you decided to come back?
963
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:28,440
Yeah.
964
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:33,680
It said, if you don't go back now, you might have to stay.
965
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:34,680
And it was not an order.
966
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,840
It was not a command.
967
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:43,800
It was very gentle, very loving, but it was letting me know that at this point in time,
968
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:48,480
even though there's no time, but at this point, if you don't go back now, you might
969
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,640
have to stay because your heart can't stay stopped for that long.
970
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:53,640
Yeah.
971
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,640
If it's been 20 minutes, that's a long time.
972
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:57,640
Yeah.
973
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:58,640
Yeah.
974
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,080
Brain damage is going to start happening.
975
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,080
Yeah.
976
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:02,520
It was at that point.
977
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,640
So I knew, I said, oh yeah, that's right.
978
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,360
Because I was having so much fun on the other side.
979
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:08,360
I had forgotten about the body.
980
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:09,640
I said, oh yeah, that's right.
981
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,120
I'm answering God.
982
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,840
Oh yeah, that's right.
983
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,400
And then I pointed myself at the body and I jumped back in.
984
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:18,400
All right.
985
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,920
Let's jump back into where you were before I got you sidetracked.
986
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,280
You jumped back in your body.
987
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,120
Let's talk about what happened after that.
988
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:28,120
Okay.
989
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A lot of things happen after that.
990
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I jumped back in my body.
991
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You're still really sick, right?
992
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I jumped back in my body and my heart starts to beat and I sleep there for a while.
993
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And then they check me again and I'm able to leave.
994
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Okay.
995
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And the other thing is when I came back, I got these gifts, spiritual gifts that I had
996
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no idea.
997
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I learned that I have them by accident.
998
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And that's where we're going to pick it up in part two of our interview with Dennis
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Bullock.
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Taking spiritual gifts and specifically the ones he came back with and how we put them
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to use in his life.
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