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From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.
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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.
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And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my
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physical body because I was somewhere else.
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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
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anything else to be felt.
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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.
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I'm back home again.
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Incredibly safe and felt at home.
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Welcome, welcome to RoundTripDeath everybody and to our very specialist guest today, Heather
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Vander Maiden.
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How are you Heather?
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Good, thank you for having me.
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I'm excited to be here.
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Well, I appreciate you being on here and I know you have not talked about your NDE much.
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This is your first podcast and so thank you for trusting us and I appreciate you being
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here today.
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And as always, before we jump into the NDE, let's take just one minute and get to know
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who Heather is.
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Tell us a little bit about you.
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Okay, well, I had my NDE when I was 20, so it's been quite a few years.
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I have two kids now and I work in a legal field and pretty calm life, but it's definitely
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changed my view on death.
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I'm not scared anymore and I'm very grateful for experience.
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Well we'll get into all those details, but your mom and just a regular wonderful person
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and okay, well let's jump into it.
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Let's go back to when you were 20.
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Oh man, you had a not a fun health issue going on.
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I know other people that have had this too and it is not fun.
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Tell us what was going on.
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So when I was 19, I had been healthy up until that point and I was diagnosed with ulcerative
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colitis and generally you can keep it in remission and I wasn't able to.
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So for about the next year or so, we tried every medication possible.
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I saw multiple specialists and it was not able to go into remission.
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So I was getting sicker and sicker.
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I weighed about 94 pounds at this point, couldn't eat anything but vegetable broth and baby food.
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And one day I was sitting at my parents kitchen table and I heard this voice say, you're going
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to die soon.
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There was no one else in the room but me.
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I looked around and I thought, okay, that was very clear what was said.
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I was in complete denial of how sick I really was and so I just assumed there was going
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to be a car accident and I was going to die that way.
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So I started kind of preparing for if I wasn't here and then as the months grew on, I got
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sicker and sicker.
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I ended up in the hospital for collapsed lungs.
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I kept passing out and falling down the stairs and broke my telephone.
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That was in October.
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By December of 1999, I was really, really sick and was admitted to the hospital for what
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would be three months.
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So I didn't realize that ulcerative colitis affected other things like lungs and falling
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down stairs and stuff like that.
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I was really dehydrated and malnourished from not being able to keep any fluids in.
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So I think that was a lot of why I was passing out so much.
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That does make more sense.
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But I also waited a week to go to the doctor or the hospital for my lungs collapsing because
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I thought it was back pain.
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Except that you couldn't breathe.
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And just to give people a heads up of what's to come, you had multiple near death experiences
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during this three month hospitalization time.
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We're going to kind of pick them apart and take them one by one even though there's a
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bunch of overlap.
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But okay, so you're in the hospital.
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Things are going downhill.
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Give us a little more idea of the medical side, what happened.
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Okay, so I was admitted on December 20th and they did some abdominal ultrasounds, CAT
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scams, X-rays and said, we need to remove your large intestine.
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It's basically falling apart.
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You have about 24 hours before you'll die from complications.
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Again, I was in severe denial and I said, well, I don't think I'm as sick as you think
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I am.
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And I have a family Christmas party.
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So why don't I just go to that and then I'll come back in a couple of days and we can talk
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surgery.
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They laughed and kept me and did surgery on the 23rd.
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Effectively, they removed my large intestine completely.
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It's called, it's a three part surgery that they give you an ostomy, which is a colostomy
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bag, where your body heals and then when your insides are healed, they go and take your
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small intestine and form a loop at the end.
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It's called a J-Pouch and then hook your body part together.
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That's how you use the bathroom now instead of a colostomy bag.
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So that was the plan was to just do the three part surgery and I went critical before they
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were able to finish that surgery.
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The first surgery I should say is when you went critical and...
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And I had about 13 surgeries.
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So...
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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So the first surgery went pretty well, I think.
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It was done on December 23rd and then New Year's Eve of 1999, which was Y2K.
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I was recovering still in the hospital.
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It was a pretty major surgery.
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I had an eight inch incision on my stomach.
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But as the nurses were checking on me, my body started lifting off the bed and I was
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about shoulder height with the nurses.
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Okay.
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Hang on.
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My body was lifting off the bed.
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My soul, yeah.
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Okay.
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Your spirit was lifting out of your body and coming up.
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Yeah.
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I never had that experience.
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So I felt like my entire body was lifting up and had no idea what was happening.
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It was kind of scary.
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Yeah.
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The nurses didn't seem to notice.
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They just kept checking my vitals and then they left the room and I floated back down.
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So that was the first time I left my body.
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Okay.
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What prompted the second time?
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Second time on January 3rd, my small intestine came out of my stomach.
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And so they rushed me back into surgery to replace that.
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And then it happened again on the 11th.
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Same thing.
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It's called a small bowel evisceration.
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The second time on the 11th, that's when I went critical.
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I developed what's called ARDS, acute respiratory distress syndrome, where basically your lungs
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fill with fluid and you drown.
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My heart rate was 190 beats per minute and my body started crashing.
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So they had a critical care team of eight nurses that were trying to stabilize me and
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asked my family to leave the room.
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And the next thing I knew, I was in a hospital bed being pushed down the hallway, screaming
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everyone move, get out of the way.
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And that's when I left my body the second time.
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Was it very similar?
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Did you just kind of float up or was it different?
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This was totally different.
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I remember being with the nurses in the room and everyone was working fast.
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And then I don't remember flying down the hall.
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My family told me about that.
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The next thing I remember is sitting off to a side, it almost looked like stadium seats.
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You'd see if you go to like a rodeo or something.
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And to the right was a nurses desk.
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And the nurses were, you know, they had their clipboards around certain phones.
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And then to my left, I could see a hospital bed with nurses all around it.
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And they were working at a fast pace.
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And I could see a girl that was having severe problems breathing.
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Her chest was moving up and down really heavily and she was hysterical.
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And so I watched for a few minutes and thought, poor girl, she looks terrible.
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She looks near death.
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And then I noticed that I could feel the nurses stops and they were terrified.
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And as I watched a few minutes longer, I realized that that body was me.
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And I had no feeling for her whatsoever.
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It didn't feel like my body.
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I didn't have an emotional connection.
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It was like watching a show on TV and not really caring what happens, but you're kind
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of interested.
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And so I watched them intubate me and get me stable.
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And then the next thing I remember is waking up in a hospital room with my arms tied to
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the bed, then later in my mouth and a nurse screaming at me to help still not touch.
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I kept trying to pull the ventilator out.
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Yeah, so they'd strap you down.
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Well, trauma.
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Yeah.
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OK, what happened next?
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That nurse actually was quite abusive throughout my hospital stay.
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I was in the shock trauma unit of the hospital and I would go from room to room.
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So for the next three weeks is when I would pop in and out of my body.
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And quite often I think I've counted about 20 different experiences between the shock
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trauma unit and the respiratory care unit for the heart and lung ICU.
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And so the first time after that I was laying in bed and all of a sudden I felt myself moving
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up in the air at a very, very fast speed.
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It was completely dark around me.
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And there was a man next to me.
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He was really close about right here, probably.
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And he was dressed in a black tux type suit.
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He looked like he was from 1800s.
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He had a black top hat on.
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He actually reminded me of Abe Lincoln and his facial features.
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It wasn't him, but that's what it reminded me of.
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And he stayed with me.
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And he never said anything, but everything around us was dark except for him.
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He emanated this light around him and he wasn't scary, but everything else was scary because
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we were moving so fast.
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And so when I would start to panic, I'd pop back into my body and then a few minutes later
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it would happen again.
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And it happened multiple times over a three day period, so I quit sleeping.
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I couldn't tell anyone because I was intubated and I was really, really critical at this
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point.
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My fevers were like 107.5 degrees.
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And I developed some pretty severe complications from all the surgeries.
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I had a bunch of blood transfusions.
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My liver was shutting down.
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It was pretty bad.
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So for about three days, that would happen and I quit sleeping.
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I was terrified.
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And so the nurses eventually sedated me and I was able to sleep and then I didn't go
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back into there.
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And now looking back, I know it was a tunnel.
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And I'm sure there was light at the end.
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I just never got there because I would panic.
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That's interesting.
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Tell me how you felt like you were moving fast.
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What was it that made it feel like that?
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It was interesting because my hair wasn't moving in the wind or anything, but it's like,
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it almost felt like you're being shot through a rocket.
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Or when you stick your head out a window of a car when you're driving really fast, like
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you just know there's this extreme speed.
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But you were also kind of lifeless in a way that there was completely still.
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There was no noise.
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It was quiet.
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But I could just tell that I was moving so fast.
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And it was terrifying to me because I was still confused about what was happening.
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Any idea where you were going?
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Probably towards the light, I think.
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I mean, I was really, really critical at this point.
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Okay.
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All right, well, keep going because I know there's more even than that.
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At this point, I was in shock trauma, which is the very critical care unit of the hospital.
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I was across the nurses station.
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I had family that was with me a lot of the time.
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And they would remark later we talked about it and they said that suddenly my face would
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get blank and there was no movement.
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They could tell I wasn't there.
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One of the experiences I had, I left my body and I found myself in a room that was very
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tall.
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There was no ceiling.
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And it was different colors of light, almost iridescent.
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And there was a door to the right.
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It was wood, but the top part was like I had a window to it.
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You could see it was just this way you could see through the window.
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And there was a tall, almost like a shelf or a ledge about 10 feet up.
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And there was an older couple.
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It was a man and a woman and they were sitting there.
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And so I felt myself floating up towards them, which seemed completely normal and sat with
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them.
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And they told me that they worked in the critical care units of the hospital and they would
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help the patients.
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If they were going to pass away, then they would see God in the window of a door and
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know that they were supposed to help that patient to pass on to get them to the other
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side.
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And if they weren't, they would help in their recovery here.
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If the patient passed and they would comfort the family as well.
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And so I was able to go with them to a couple of different rooms.
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One was a young man that probably late teens or early twenties would have been in a car
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accident.
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He had a lot of the same life support of what I did.
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He had his parents and a sibling that were in the room with him.
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And they knew that he was not going to make it.
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And so they sat and put their hands on the shoulders of the family members and gave them
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love to send all of their love to the family to comfort them.
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And he did pass away at that point.
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And so there was a couple of different experiences like that.
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And I was able to see God in the door and he was beautiful.
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He had these piercing blue eyes and like this just white, silvery hair that was just different
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colors of light that we don't have here.
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You know, it was very clean cut beard.
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Just he emanated love like I've never seen here.
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He knew every one of us and I could tell that he cared so deeply for everyone that was there.
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So at one point I asked the nurses, I don't know, not the nurses, but angels.
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I said, I don't know why I'm here still.
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I'm obviously dying.
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I am extremely, extremely ill.
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I had been packed in ice in my hospital room because I was so feverish and I couldn't get
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the fevers down.
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And these two beings told me that before I came to this earth, I had agreed to take on
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some of my younger brother's trials and that that's why my suffering was more so than it
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would have been otherwise.
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But that I was helping him with some obstacles that he would have in his life to take away
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that pain from him basically.
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And he was a teenager at the time and didn't have any trials.
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But he did have a child later on that has some critical health issues.
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And so I don't know if that's what it was, but I would do it again in the second for
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my nephew.
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Yeah.
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I have a whole bunch of questions, but I'm fascinated by this.
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So I would say just keep going.
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We'll come back to all the questions.
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Okay.
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And so the next one I can think of, there was two children that came to the end of my
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bed, a little boy that had blonde crew hair and he's alive and a little girl that was
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a little bit younger.
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She had blonde straight hair and he's alive.
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And then sometimes an older man would come with them that was in a gray suit.
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And I didn't know who they were.
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And so I tell my mom, there the kids are again.
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And she'd say, who are they?
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And I said, I don't know who they are.
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She said, is the man your grandfather that's passed?
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And I said, I don't know.
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I don't know what he looks like.
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And so they came quite a few times and eventually they didn't come again.
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I didn't know who they were.
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I was married at the time, but I didn't have any children.
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Okay.
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I want to make sure I get this.
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So these, you're awake now when these children come to your room.
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You're not out of your body.
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You're in your body.
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I am in my body.
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You're not intubated anymore.
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So you can talk.
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Yeah.
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And I'm probably balancing from place to place, but at this point, I was intubated
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for about two weeks.
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This was when I was not intubated.
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And these two children in spirit form show up in your room.
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You're the only one that can see them.
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Yeah.
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I'm telling my mom, there they are.
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And she's like, where?
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I don't see any kids.
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And she's freaking out because I'd been telling her, I was with grandma and my grandma's passed
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away.
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I'd tell them all these experiences and I'd write them down on paper when I was intubated.
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So they knew stuff was happening, but they were pretty scared.
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And sometimes a little boy had come by himself.
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I just didn't know they were.
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And so we joke about it because my husband was Portuguese.
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He was dark.
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He had dark eyes, dark hair, darker skin.
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And so I'm kind of dark hair too.
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And these kids were blonde.
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So I did find out later who they were.
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Okay.
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Let's keep everybody in suspense on that one.
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Let's come back to who the children are.
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Sorry, listeners.
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I know you want to know right now, but I want to kind of go chronologically here as to what
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all was going on.
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So did your mom think that you're crazy or that they're giving you drugs that are making
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you hallucinate?
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Or does she really believe you because this is so real to you?
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So I had a morphine pump that I could use whenever I wanted and I chose not to.
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I hated how it made me feel.
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I purposely would ask for no drugs.
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The only time that we would use the pump is when I'd have to get up and walk because
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when they'd gone in for the fourth surgery, which was I had leaders of abscesses, they
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had positioned me wrong and I had to learn to walk again.
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It caused foot drop.
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They left my stomach open because it was shredding and I couldn't shut it.
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So I just kind of packed it.
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So when I'd walk, they would use the morphine pump, the nurse would.
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It was pretty painful, but other than that, I was pretty lucid.
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I'm a pretty honest person.
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I don't come up with weird stuff like this.
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Sure, but people do hallucinate if they're on a lot of morphine or something, but you
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weren't.
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No, the only time I had a lot of narcotics in my system was when I'd gone for surgeries.
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I would be obviously under.
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But for the most part, I tried to not have any pain medication.
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And I would just hold really still.
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I had so many machines attached to me.
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It was hard to move anyways, but I was pretty lucid.
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What else happened?
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And so when I was at my worst, you know, when I was 105 degree fevering, I left my body
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and I went to this building and it was really tall.
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The doors were just probably 10 feet or more high and it had pillars on the front of it.
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It kind of reminded me of like an ancient Greece building or one of the Middle East and
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I found myself outside.
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There was no one out there.
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I did have a guide that would come with me tall.
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He was always there when these experiences were happening and he was always behind my
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right shoulder and would just kind of be there with me and sometimes he would talk with me.
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But he was there at that point and I thought, this is a really cool building.
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And the next thing I knew I found myself inside of the building just popped into it.
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I didn't go through a door.
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I was just there.
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And then we, when we got to the entrance, he took me to a room that was full of books
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and I love Turried.
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There was just thousands of books and they were, they filled the ceiling, you know, from
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the ceiling to the floor and it was a round room with this gorgeous wood exterior everywhere
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and there were scrolls.
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And so he would open the scrolls and show me, let me stay there as long as I wanted to.
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And I feel like this room was, to me, the room of knowledge.
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There was so much knowledge in there.
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But I was told that I'd forget some of my experiences once I returned to my body and
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I don't know what was in those books.
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But after we left that room, we went to the entrance again of this building and off to
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the right there was a desk but just past that was a podium.
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But if you're giving a speaking, speaking to people and the podium had a small desk
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attached to it.
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And as we walked towards it, the podium started to move to the left and there were stairs.
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And I just went downstairs.
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I just felt like I needed to be down there.
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And when I got to the entrance to the downstairs, this building was downstone.
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It was very ancient.
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And when I got down there, there was pools of water and waterfalls.
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There was no plumbing like we'd have now or electricity.
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But there was windows that went from the entire ceiling down a couple feet the entire way.
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So it was very lit with light.
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But I was told that the water was healing water and that it would help my soul to heal.
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And there was a pool that I went and sat in.
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And I could feel the water.
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I could hear it lapping against the sides.
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I can still hear the sound it made to this day.
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It was very calming.
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And I just would sit in the water.
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I would go multiple times.
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I was at my most sickest and then the most pain.
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I would find myself in this area again.
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There was a waterfall there that was about five feet tall that at one point there was
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a mother with her two children or a boy and a girl.
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And they were just splashing in the water and having a good time.
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And it was just such a beautiful scene to watch because there was so much love in this
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room.
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I could tell how much she left her children.
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And my guide stayed with me whenever I was there.
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And he told me that not everyone could be in that room.
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That it was only for people that were pure that needed to heal and that the water would
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heal them.
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And if someone accidentally got in there, it wasn't supposed to.
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The water would turn to mud.
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And at one point it did turn to mud and flowed into a cave area behind where I was.
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But the water was very, very, I guess, healing again.
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For me, it was probably one of my favorite experiences because I felt so much love there.
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There was so much loving energy in the water itself.
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So this place of the healing waters, since you've healed and come back, have you found
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any place that looked like that or pictures of any place in the world that looked like
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it?
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If so, tell us so we can maybe go look it up and have an idea.
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Yeah.
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Actually, when I got out of the hospital, I went to the library because it was still,
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you know, the internet wasn't huge back then.
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I got every book on near-death experiences reading about anything that had anything to
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do with water.
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And I didn't find anything, but I would constantly search and a couple of years after I did find,
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I would put everything into Google.
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I could think of trying to find it.
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What I can see that's the most similar is it's in Jerusalem, it's the poles at St. Anzabethezda.
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That's what it reminds me of.
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It was just a very, very ancient-looking place.
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Everything was made of, like, sandstone.
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It wasn't, you know, an elegant place with marble, but it was just so beautiful to me.
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And then a couple of years ago, probably about two years ago, I saw Solomon's Temple, a picture
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of what they think that looked like.
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And that's what the outside of the building looked like.
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Very similar to that.
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Really interesting.
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Okay.
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Is there more?
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There is more.
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Keep going.
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So I, my grandmother had passed away, and I had a great-grandfather and an aunt that
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had also passed away previous to my hospitalization.
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And one point I found my A-self in my grandmother's backyard.
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My grandfather was still alive.
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And there was orbs in the back of the yard.
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It was late at night.
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You can see stars in the sky.
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It was pretty quiet.
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And these orbs were kind of almost going like this, just bouncing across the back of the
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yard from the right to the left.
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And then three of the orbs were my grandparents.
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They were separate orbs.
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My grandmother, my grandfather, and my aunt.
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And the other orbs had, kind of reminds me of a lava lamp, as high as Blaineham.
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Greens and blues and silvers that were just, just kind of moving around inside of them.
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They were really pretty.
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But my family members were in there, and I think it was more of a comfort to me to know
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that I wasn't alone.
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And I did spend more time with these family members in different times.
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At one point, my aunt took me to her house.
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And she actually lived across the street from my grandmother and showed me her husband, who
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was still alive.
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And showed me him falling in the hallway and passing from his fall.
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And so I was frantically trying to tell my family, you need to go check on him.
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And it took a couple of days to communicate with them to go check.
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And when they did, he was fine.
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He actually did pass away in that exact same spot, exactly how I saw it 15 years later,
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which is very validating to me because I've been telling them he's going to, he's going
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to die.
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But it was exactly as I had seen it, but 15 years later.
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So there's, there's a difference in time on the other side and there is here because
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I don't have time.
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Wow.
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I was sad to be passed, but I was like, look, I finally, you know.
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I knew this was going to happen.
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At one point I, I saw my grandmother and she said, you're going to be fine.
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You just need to eat more.
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And there was more to it than that.
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So I said to my family, when they were telling me you need to live or transplant, I said,
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oh no, I'm fine.
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I just need to eat.
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That's what grandma said.
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Yeah.
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Grandma said, I just need to eat more.
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And it ended up being that when I got out of the hospital, I weighed 79 pounds.
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And I, I was constantly eating off our food, trying to get some weight on me.
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At that point they're like, well, maybe just a little bit.
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And your grandparents had passed away prior to that, right?
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And his grandmother had, yes.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
485
00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:49,120
Yeah.
486
00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:50,440
Her husband was still alive and he would come to the hospital and I would tell him about
487
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,120
her and he would say, tell her I love her and I miss her.
488
00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:58,160
So my family was pretty open to it because I don't make up stories enough.
489
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,160
They knew if I was telling them stuff that it was accurate.
490
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,160
Yeah.
491
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,840
But I'd also be able to tell them stuff that I'd seen happen when I was out of my body
492
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,840
that they could, you know, they could verify.
493
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:15,280
At one point, my nurse had shot me up in bed and had his hands on my shoulders to get me
494
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:16,280
ready to stand up to walk.
495
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,240
I had to walk every day.
496
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,960
And I left my body and was in a hallway behind him.
497
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,120
And I could see him shaking.
498
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:27,880
He had one hand on my shoulder and another one snapping in front like the same.
499
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,000
Wake up, wake up.
500
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,000
Come back, come back.
501
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,760
And my mom was next to him and she was freaking out.
502
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,560
And I could see a 360 degree view.
503
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,360
I could see everything that was happening as I was behind him.
504
00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:44,960
And so for quite a few minutes, I sat and watched this hallway that I was in had these
505
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:49,960
oval or doors that were like, kind of like this or windows, I guess.
506
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:50,960
And they went, they stretched forever.
507
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:55,960
And at the end it was kind of lit up, but I didn't want to go back into my body.
508
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,840
And so I just sat and watched him for a few minutes.
509
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:02,120
And then I heard this voice, which I think was my guide that said, you need to go back.
510
00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:06,640
And so I thought, okay, well, I'll leave my body again when he's gone.
511
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,080
And so I popped back into my body.
512
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,840
And then he, you could see the look on his face that it turned from terror to relief.
513
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,520
And he said, we lost you there for a minute.
514
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,520
And I thought, yeah, I know.
515
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,960
I didn't want to come back.
516
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,680
So then, you know, I said, you know where you are, what year is it?
517
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:24,680
Who's the president?
518
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:29,160
And I was able to answer the questions, but it was really hard to get back in my body.
519
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,200
You pop back in and it would kind of shock you.
520
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,760
Like he slammed back in type thing.
521
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,640
Let's talk about that for a minute.
522
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,200
Because a lot of people have explained to me what it's like leaving body.
523
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:47,440
It's kind of soft, lifting sort of process.
524
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:53,520
And often coming back into their body is described as being slammed back in.
525
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,280
And you're saying it was, for you, it was kind of a shock.
526
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,160
Sometimes when I would come back in, I would, it was the jolt to me.
527
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:07,080
And it would take me a few minutes to realize I was back in my body.
528
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,200
My husband said at one point, he saw my whole body at lurch.
529
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:15,320
And before that, I'd been completely unmoving my face is blank.
530
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,720
And then all of a sudden I lurched in like this and looked around the room confused where
531
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:20,800
I was.
532
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:25,960
And then did these experiences just gradually go away or was there one time where you were
533
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:31,080
told specifically you have to go back and then that was the last time?
534
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,080
That did happen.
535
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,640
Yeah, there was multiple experiences.
536
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,720
I was able to go to my house and check on my husband and he was in bed.
537
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,600
I've been worried, you know, he's, I've been gone for a while.
538
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:42,600
It's two months.
539
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,000
And at this point, I'm going to make sure he's okay.
540
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,000
And he was.
541
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,240
And then I heard a voice say he'd come back.
542
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,440
The nurses are coming in.
543
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:56,320
But the time I was told that it wasn't my time, I found myself at what I call the entrance
544
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,200
to heaven on both sides of this area.
545
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,080
There were thousands and thousands of beings that were lit.
546
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,720
Basically, they were just pure light.
547
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,640
They had on these light type roads.
548
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:13,240
And they were all different heights, but they were so vibrantly lit that I couldn't distinguish
549
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,480
facial features from any of them.
550
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,160
And they were on both sides of the entrance.
551
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:19,560
And I was with my guide.
552
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:25,720
And I knew very distinctly that if I got past the entrance to here, I could stay and I would
553
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,840
not have to come back to my body.
554
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:28,840
And that's what I wanted.
555
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,440
I did not want to be alive.
556
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,800
I was in profound pain and I was just done.
557
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:41,560
I felt such love on the other side that can't be experienced here that it was my goal to
558
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,600
stay there and not come back.
559
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:49,520
And I knew that my family would be sad, but it, to me, it was just, I couldn't.
560
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,920
I couldn't handle the pain and I wanted to be there.
561
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:58,240
So as we stood at the entrance, my guide was with me and we telepathically communicated.
562
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,600
So he could understand and hear my thoughts.
563
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:05,320
But I thought to myself, I just need to get past there and I'm home free and I won't have
564
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:06,320
to return.
565
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,640
And I'll just tell him I'm going to go see my grandma for a little bit, just hang out
566
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:10,640
in the garden.
567
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,240
And then once I'm there, I won't come back.
568
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,240
He could hear everything and understand.
569
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,640
But I was so desperate because I thought this is my chance.
570
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:25,800
And as soon as I thought those thoughts, I heard him say, it's not your time yet.
571
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,320
You have to go back.
572
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,320
And I immediately popped back in my body and it was devastating.
573
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,080
And that was the last time?
574
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,320
There was a couple of other times, but that was probably the last time.
575
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:37,320
Yeah.
576
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:38,320
A couple of other experiences.
577
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,240
Did you ever have a life review?
578
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:41,240
I didn't.
579
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:42,240
Yeah.
580
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,240
I'm, that I remember.
581
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:47,720
So it's always interesting to me when someone has a life review because I don't remember
582
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:48,720
one.
583
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:49,720
Well, that's okay.
584
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,240
Everybody's experience is different.
585
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,240
Yeah.
586
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,520
I don't know if it's because I was never going to stay there and it was just to reprieve from
587
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,200
the pain or, I don't know, but yeah, I never had one.
588
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,840
Well when you and I talked previously and correct me if I'm wrong, I believe you told
589
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:08,200
me that sometimes you could almost control this when you were in the hospital.
590
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,240
If you were in a lot of pain, you could leave.
591
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,240
Tell me about that.
592
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,240
Yeah, so my dad actually took FMLA.
593
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:19,760
He worked for the government and they were called to the hospital so often, my family,
594
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,680
because I would just go critical quite often.
595
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,600
And so they ended up just, my family decided to have someone there at all times to keep
596
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,480
an eye on me.
597
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,720
And so he would sit and read this book next to the bed and I would watch him.
598
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,240
And if he wasn't paying attention to me, I would pop out of my body.
599
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,240
It almost became like a game.
600
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,560
Like see if I can get away with it without them noticing I'm gone.
601
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,640
And he never noticed I was gone because I wouldn't be gone for very long.
602
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:52,520
But a lot of the times I would go to the healing waters or I would just be out.
603
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:57,920
The minute I left my body, I felt healthy and whole and young and there was no worries.
604
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:02,520
Like on earth, you know, you worry about bills or everything, you know, there's always a
605
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:03,800
worry for people.
606
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:09,760
And once you leave your body, it's just absolute love and nothing worries you.
607
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:10,760
There's no pain.
608
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,480
And so I would pop out quite often when he was there.
609
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:19,680
For you, did you feel like those healing waters were healing your spirit or you physically
610
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:20,680
also?
611
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,280
I feel like I was being healed physically.
612
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,920
I was told that I had a 4% chance of survival.
613
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,200
And when the doctor, my main doctor would go in for surgery and say, I don't know what
614
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,920
I'm going to do, but I'll figure it out when I get in there.
615
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,160
And at one point I found myself in a field.
616
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,160
I was above the field.
617
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:43,640
It was a grassy area of trees and there was, there were two white tents.
618
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:48,480
And as I kind of floated down towards the tents, I had my guide with me and there was
619
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,880
doctors in there and white lab coats.
620
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:55,920
And they had Petri dishes and microscopes and huge, huge medical books and they were
621
00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:00,120
all working together and they were working at a pretty rapid pace.
622
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:05,560
And my guide told me that the only reason I would survive is through faith alone and
623
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,080
prayers.
624
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,560
And so I knew that these, that the doctors didn't know what they were doing, but they
625
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,840
were being almost fed the information of how to save me from the other side.
626
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:20,920
And so I felt comfort in that, that they weren't alone as they were working to, to save me.
627
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,720
All right, we're going to get you back another time because I have a feeling there's a whole
628
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:30,080
bunch more to talk about, but we don't want to be hours and hours today.
629
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:35,040
So if you don't mind, I'm going to jump into some question and answer, but be free to fill
630
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,920
in whatever you want to.
631
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,640
If there's something you want to say, I don't, I don't want to be cutting that off or cutting
632
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:42,640
it short or anything.
633
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:43,640
Okay.
634
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,000
I want to go back to some of the sort of chronologically here.
635
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,000
Okay.
636
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,200
Before you were even in the hospital, you heard that voice telling you that you were going
637
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,200
to die soon.
638
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,160
Do you have any idea who that was?
639
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,160
Yeah.
640
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,160
It was my guide.
641
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,360
And I felt him multiple times.
642
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,360
He's, he's always around.
643
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,280
I can tell him all these.
644
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:03,280
Still to this day.
645
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:04,280
Yeah.
646
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,280
Oh yeah.
647
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,280
Do you have any idea if this guide has any relation to you?
648
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:10,280
Friends, family?
649
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:17,880
Um, I, I think he was kind of, he's been there since my birth, but he's not related, um,
650
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:18,880
ancestrally.
651
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,440
It's almost like we made a pact before it came here that he would help me through this
652
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,800
life as high as I feel.
653
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,600
Maybe you'll have your chance to help him sometime.
654
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:27,600
Maybe so.
655
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:28,600
Okay.
656
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:35,560
When you found yourself moving really fast and there was a man in a black tux, any idea
657
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,400
who that was?
658
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,960
I think he was a, a very far removed grandfather.
659
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:46,680
Um, I've looked through family pictures and I think that he was probably one of my great,
660
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,800
great, great type grandfathers.
661
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,880
Now I promised our listeners we would come back to this.
662
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:56,320
Let's talk about the two children and the man in the gray suit.
663
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:57,320
Okay.
664
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,560
So when I was released from the hospital, it took about two years to recover and learn
665
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:02,560
to walk again.
666
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,080
I had to learn to walk and talk and my hair had fallen out.
667
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,560
It was quite ghastly.
668
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,480
So it took about two years to recover.
669
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,080
And by that point, I was pretty healthy for the most part.
670
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:17,520
I'd gained back the weight and I had the reversal surgeries and was doing quite well.
671
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:22,920
And then I had one more surgery, which where I did a tummy tuck, um, to remove the scar
672
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,640
and fix it kind of.
673
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,520
And I went pretty critical with that and left my body for the last time I floated above
674
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:33,160
it when I was being given a bussing before I went in for another surgery.
675
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,440
And I was told that would be the last time that would leave my body than it was the last
676
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:37,440
time.
677
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:42,920
It was almost just such a profound gift to, um, experience that love on the other side
678
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:43,920
one more time.
679
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:49,880
Um, but shortly after that, I did heal significantly after that and did knee surgery.
680
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:55,880
And I was sitting down on the couch one day watching TV and I heard my guide tell me your
681
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,600
body will not support a pregnancy.
682
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,280
I thought, well, that's obvious.
683
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:06,600
And I was told if I wanted to become a mother that we would need to adopt and that that's
684
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,480
how I would find my children.
685
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:15,160
And so at that point, um, I was 23 and you had to be 25 to adopt from Guatemala.
686
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,520
That was the country that we had chosen to adopt from.
687
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,000
I'm way too many years to wait for that.
688
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:25,200
And during that time, they actually closed the adoptions down and I decided that we would
689
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,200
do foster care.
690
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,040
And just in the meantime, I didn't know you could really adopt through foster care, but
691
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,800
I, I just wanted to be a mom.
692
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,080
I was healthy and I, you know, just wanted to enjoy my life with kids.
693
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:43,360
And so we did do foster care and foster 25 kids and the third child I had, I got a phone
694
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,960
call for, it was on Halloween.
695
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:52,320
They said we have a 20, 20 month old boy and a little six week old girl.
696
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,640
And I heard that guy say it's the boy.
697
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,240
And I said, well, put us in committee for both.
698
00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:01,720
Cause it's an adoption committee where they choose, you know, different families.
699
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:06,080
And about a week later, I got a call that we had been chosen for this little boy.
700
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,920
And when I went to pick him up, it was in the middle of winter and he had this little
701
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:17,960
blue and white plaid hat on like a fleece hat that covered all of his hair and a blue
702
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,640
puffer coat on.
703
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,720
And I got him home and took off his hat and he had curly blonde hair and he's a Lise.
704
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:26,280
And that was for the little boy.
705
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,640
So what's his name?
706
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:29,920
His name is Isaac.
707
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:34,840
So we fostered him for about a year and a half, not knowing if it would go to adoption
708
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,360
or not.
709
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:41,200
And I was able to develop a really good relationship with his birth mom.
710
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:46,240
And I felt that was important that I wanted an open adoption so she knew that he was loved
711
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:50,360
and that she could see that he was safe and she didn't have to worry.
712
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,560
And so we ultimately did end up adopting him a year and a half later.
713
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:55,560
He's 24 now.
714
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,840
He's definitely that little boy.
715
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,640
The hair, it was him.
716
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:04,720
It was very, very like, it was like being shocked in the gut when I saw him.
717
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:06,760
I just knew it was him.
718
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,680
So we fostered many, many children after him.
719
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,840
One stayed for almost two years and then went back to his parents.
720
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:19,200
And so a couple of years later, I was thinking, well, you know, I think that this little girl
721
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,160
is supposed to be coming, but I don't see her.
722
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,640
And so when I was driving, I said to my guide, is she coming?
723
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,200
Do I see things that aren't going to happen?
724
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,400
And I heard his voice say, it's not time yet.
725
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:36,200
So I thought, okay, at least there's an answer there.
726
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,720
And in June of 2005, I woke up one morning and I just, I knew she was coming.
727
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:42,600
I just knew it.
728
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,120
And I got a call a couple of hours later from the adoption committee that we've been chosen
729
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,080
for an 11-week-old baby girl.
730
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:50,960
All I knew about her was her name.
731
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:51,960
And that's it.
732
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:57,000
And so when I picked her up from the foster home, she had orange peach fuzz hair and these
733
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:05,480
gray dark eyes and that was babies, not very healthy looking, but as she got healthier with
734
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:10,280
us, her eyes, when she was about five months, a little turned to that hazel color and her
735
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,160
hair turned blonde as it grew in.
736
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,680
And she's definitely that, that baby that I saw is a top.
737
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,480
She was probably about six months old.
738
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,000
That's the girl.
739
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,000
What's her name?
740
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,000
Her name is Sienna.
741
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,000
It's awesome.
742
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,640
And the man in the gray suit?
743
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:27,640
I don't know.
744
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:28,640
Don't know.
745
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:29,640
Okay.
746
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,560
I don't know if he was kind of like a guide that brought them to watch over them.
747
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,040
I don't know who he is.
748
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:41,160
You also mentioned just very briefly, you were with grandma.
749
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,660
What was going on there?
750
00:39:42,660 --> 00:39:44,560
I was really close to my grandparents growing up.
751
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,560
They lived a couple of blocks away from me and so I spent a lot of time with them.
752
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:54,280
And so it makes complete sense to me that she was there with me to protect me and come
753
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,080
for me and just be with me when I was leaving my body.
754
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,120
I felt her multiple times before and after this experience.
755
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:06,560
And so I know that she's around me, but I think she was sent especially because it would
756
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,840
take away the worry of not knowing what was going on.
757
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:15,040
And when I would leave my body, I didn't, I felt more at home there than I did here.
758
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:19,440
There's just this profound sense of going home whenever I'd leave.
759
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,200
And so having her there was definitely comforting.
760
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,280
Tell me a little bit more about the tall building.
761
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,560
What was the whole thing, a library or just that one room?
762
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,080
Just that room and what I could tell.
763
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,320
What do you think the rest of the building was used for?
764
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:40,120
The area in the very beginning when you walked in, it was, there was a shelf on the wall
765
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:41,120
that people could read.
766
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,520
There was chairs and people were reading a lot of them.
767
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:48,160
So I think it was a, I call it the building of knowledge and healing.
768
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,720
And I think that everyone kind of has their own experience with that if they go to those
769
00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:52,720
buildings.
770
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:56,160
But for me, it definitely to me helped all the knowledge.
771
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:00,800
And I've heard, you know, Akashic records maybe, but it was, if you needed knowledge,
772
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:01,800
that's where you went.
773
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,000
And so the people that were there in the main entrance, they were just reading books and
774
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,920
gaining knowledge and getting their questions answered.
775
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,040
I thought it was kind of funny that you described the door, but then said, she didn't used it.
776
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,720
You just sort of appeared inside.
777
00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:17,760
Like, what's the door for?
778
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,960
Yeah, I don't know.
779
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,840
But I did think it was really cool that I could just pop through and be inside.
780
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,400
I mean, we don't get that experience here.
781
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:27,400
Yeah.
782
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:28,400
Okay.
783
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,640
Now there is something that I, I admit, I really don't understand.
784
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:36,760
I have a long ways to go on this one particular topic I'm going to ask you about.
785
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,200
And that is orbs.
786
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,360
And some people see them, some people don't.
787
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:49,760
When they see them like you did, there's usually like they see somebody in it.
788
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,720
I don't get why people are in orbs.
789
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:53,720
Enlighten me.
790
00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:56,120
Tell me more about the orbs or what you know.
791
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:57,120
Yeah.
792
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,960
That's probably what I know the least about.
793
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:04,200
I know that people lately have been saying they're seeing orbs in different parts of
794
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:05,400
the United States.
795
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:06,600
I don't know a lot about them.
796
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,960
I, for me, it was just very comforting to see them in a place that held a lot of good
797
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:11,960
memories to me.
798
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,760
When I think back about it, I don't know why they were in orbs.
799
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,360
Cause you could just see their face.
800
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:17,360
You couldn't see their body.
801
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,560
And at a time I thought, well, it's a little bit odd, but it was kind of a cool experience
802
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,840
because I felt like time was suspended.
803
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,960
Like it didn't exist in that moment.
804
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:32,760
And there was a different feeling of energy there than there generally was in my experiences.
805
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,400
It was like you're in delt in a loving hug.
806
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,120
Tell me more about that.
807
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,800
How do you feel that when you're looking at an orb?
808
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,560
Well those are especially because those were people that had a profound amount of time
809
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:51,240
in my childhood and I'd missed all three of these family members quite a bit.
810
00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:54,680
So seeing them there and knowing that they're not here on this earth, but they're still
811
00:42:54,680 --> 00:43:00,920
there and there's, I will see them again and that they're safe was something I needed for
812
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:01,920
me.
813
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:02,920
I struggled a lot.
814
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:07,440
In fact, when I first got sick, the doctors had said, you're just depressed because your
815
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:08,440
grandma just died.
816
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:09,680
And I was like, no, that's not it.
817
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,960
I mean, pretty upset about that, but these symptoms are kind of scary.
818
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:18,160
So having them there again was such a gift to me.
819
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:24,040
And it was just something that was so important for me to feel safe.
820
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:30,600
Next, tell me a little bit more about the angels that you saw at the entrance to heaven.
821
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:36,360
I was told that they were family members, ancestors, and there was thousands of them.
822
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:41,240
I could tell that they were there almost to greet me and that they all had a sense of
823
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:46,200
knowing me from before and that they all loved me, that it was their goal to make sure that
824
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:52,640
I was loved very much and that I knew that they watched over me.
825
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:59,400
And so they all have a different job in order to help us on earth, but they all seem to
826
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:00,400
know who I was.
827
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,120
And there's just thousands of them.
828
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:06,000
I thought, well, you know, I have a big family and so it makes sense, but I could tell there's
829
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,680
multi, multi generations of ancestors there.
830
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:14,480
Okay, lastly, I want to get back to the door that had the window.
831
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,240
If I hope I got that right, that you saw God through.
832
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:19,240
Tell me more about that.
833
00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:22,960
It's funny because it was just a normal door.
834
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,280
Almost like if you go to high school and they have the doors at the windows.
835
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,080
So you can look into the classroom and kind of reminded me of that.
836
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,480
So it wasn't this like spectacularly golden door or anything.
837
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,320
It was just a wooden door.
838
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,280
You could see the light through it because God was just light.
839
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,080
Like his energy was just pure love and light.
840
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,880
And so everything around there was lit up.
841
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:48,680
The room was just so bright and it's, there was more love in that room with him than I've
842
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,120
ever experienced anywhere in and he knew me and I knew him.
843
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,000
And I'm not a particularly religious person.
844
00:44:55,000 --> 00:45:00,920
I was raised in a very strict religious household, but I've been more spiritual my entire life.
845
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:05,680
But seeing him there, I just, I could feel his love and I knew that he knew me as a person
846
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:12,640
and that he had always known me and that my healing was something that he was profoundly
847
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:13,640
involved in.
848
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,760
But the amount of love was just incredible.
849
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:17,920
Explain the love.
850
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,400
You could take your best day on earth, like the birth of your child or your best vacation
851
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,120
and multiply it a million times.
852
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:29,200
And it would not even come close to the amount of love that you feel on the other side.
853
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:30,400
Nothing compares to it here.
854
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:36,000
And it, it makes it hard to be on this earth sometimes because life is hard, you know,
855
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,160
we have our struggles, everyone does.
856
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:42,040
And I think back to when I was out on my body and didn't have the struggles.
857
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,400
And so sometimes it's definitely hard to be here and go through the trials that we have
858
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:47,400
here.
859
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,080
But I think this is a classroom for us and we're here to learn.
860
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,200
And in the grounds scheme of things, we're not here for a long time, but it feels like
861
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,760
we are when we're in the thick of it.
862
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:00,600
But once we leave here, we do return to that home, which is our home.
863
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,360
This is just a stop on the way there.
864
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:08,480
Okay, Heather, I really appreciate you spending all this time with me today.
865
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,160
And I can tell there's a whole lot more.
866
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:14,040
Like I said a few minutes ago, we're going to have to circle back in a while and have
867
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,880
sort of a part two.
868
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:25,280
But there is one person listening today and you know who you are that is struggling with,
869
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:26,840
I don't know about death.
870
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,320
I don't know about an afterlife.
871
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:29,440
I don't know about God.
872
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:34,120
I don't know, you know, just struggling.
873
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,080
Please say something to that one person.
874
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:42,400
I've found since this experience that when people are sick and getting ready to pass
875
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:47,400
away that I want to be with them to tell them how much love there is waiting for them.
876
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,800
Each person on this earth is profoundly known and loved.
877
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:55,160
And sometimes we feel alone, but we are definitely known on the other side.
878
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,320
We're seeing a one of us.
879
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,360
We are so loved.
880
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:05,680
And sometimes things get overwhelmingly hard here and we want to just check out.
881
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,520
But we're here for a reason, even if we don't know what it is.
882
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,680
And there's nothing to be afraid of when we leave this earth.
883
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:17,480
It's like stepping from one room into another and being greeted by every person that loves
884
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:21,000
you and like you're at your own party.
885
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:26,560
And so if I can say anything to anyone, I don't want people to be scared of death.
886
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,320
It's not a scary thing.
887
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,080
It's just there's so much love involved in it.
888
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:35,800
Once we get to their side, we'll be able to see that, but we are very loved.
889
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,000
That is a beautiful message of hope.
890
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,000
Thanks again, Heather.
891
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,000
I really appreciate it.
892
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,000
Thanks for having me.
893
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,000
I appreciate it.
894
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:47,440
Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast.
895
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:53,520
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896
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,800
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00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:02,160
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