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From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.
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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.
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And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my
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physical body because I was somewhere else.
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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
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anything else to be felt.
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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.
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I'm back home again.
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Incredibly safe and felt at home.
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Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody, and to our very, very special guest tonight.
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All the way from Ashton, Idaho, we're going to be talking to Janine Moon.
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Hi, Janine.
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Hi, how are you?
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I'm doing so well.
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You know what?
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Before we get started, I want people to get to know you a little bit because you are the
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sweetest grandma ever.
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Can you take one minute and tell us about you?
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Anything you want, where you live, your grandkids, anything you feel like?
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I was born and raised in Salt Lake City, Utah.
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I lived there until I was 55 years old.
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I moved to Ashton, Idaho in 2008.
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In 2011, we moved to Ashton.
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2011, we started raising four of our grandchildren.
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We now have three of them, ages 17, 18, and 20.
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We've raised them.
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Enjoy them wonderfully.
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We have 27 grandchildren.
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Seven children.
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One of them is deceased.
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We are living life.
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My husband just turned 91 last week.
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I'm 70, and we are loving it.
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We're in the thick of winter right now.
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We've got about three feet of snow out front, and we love winter.
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If you don't love winter, you don't live in Ashton.
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I've been up to your neck of the woods.
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It is beautiful.
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It's near Island Park, right?
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It is.
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It is.
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We're about 15 minutes from Island Park.
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And then on the other side of Island Park, for those that haven't been there, is Yellowstone.
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Exactly.
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Yellowstone National Park, which is awesome.
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Okay.
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We want to jump right into your near-death experience.
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And we're going to have to go back about, well, 38 years ago, I have in my notes.
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Yes.
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You had a quite unusual, or maybe the term is rare, issue going on called Addison's
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Disease.
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For those that have never heard of it, tell us what that is and how it affects you.
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It is when your adrenal glands stop working, your adrenal glands start attacking your internal
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organs, when it attacked mine, it took out my thyroid, it took out my adrenal glands,
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and it took out my ovaries.
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So they figured my ovaries were knocked out four years prior.
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So my ovaries quit working when I was 28.
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Your adrenal glands, basically, are the ones that keep your heart and your liver and your
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lungs, all of your internal organs going.
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It's the fight or flight organ.
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Basically, when you get sick, if you don't have your adrenal glands going, you go into
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an adisonian crisis, which it'll kill you if you don't get your proper steroids.
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So I've been on steroids for 38 years, which is kind of wrecking your body.
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You know, you can't be on that many steroids for that long without it doing a lot of stuff
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for your internal organs.
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Yeah.
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That's awfully rough, but it's kept you alive.
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The alternative isn't great either, so.
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No, the alternative is really bad.
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Tell us just how sick were you?
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I was really sick.
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I was sick for six months.
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I started just getting really weak.
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I couldn't eat everything I ate.
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I threw up.
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I got weaker and weaker.
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It lasted for six months.
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I basically went from 130 pounds to 95 pounds.
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I couldn't eat.
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I couldn't walk.
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I couldn't do anything.
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I was totally bedridden.
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I depended on my husband, my neighbors.
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They took care of me.
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My husband went on afternoon shift so that he could take care of me during the day, and
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then my kids were little.
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They were four, seven, nine, and I think 11 at the time.
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And so my husband take care of me during the day.
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When the kids got home from school, the neighbors would come in, take care of me.
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They would feed the kids and get their homework done, give them their baths, put them to bed.
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And my husband would come home at 11 o'clock at night.
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And in the meantime, I would be in bed.
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They would check on me, but that was basically it because I didn't have to eat.
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That was my routine for months.
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That was all I did.
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He took me to numerous doctors, numerous specialists.
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I was misdiagnosed six times before they finally diagnosed me with Adesins disease.
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At what point did you get sick enough that it led to a near-death experience?
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What happened there?
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That was when at the end I was so sick.
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I was basically just told me in bed I couldn't get out of bed.
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I was not eating anything.
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I was craving salt like crazy.
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I had developed little tiny black spots all over my body, little like freckles.
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And I thought, being kind of crazy.
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I'd turned 30 recently and I thought they were age spots.
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And so I just thought, well, I'm getting age spots at 30 years old.
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And I didn't tell the doctor about it or anything, but I just thought they were age spots.
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And my skin was turning darker because that's the side effect of Adesins, you produce more
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melatonin.
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And so that was a side effect of it as far as then also craving salt because you don't
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retain your salt.
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That was what was happening.
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And at the end I was just totally in bed.
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I had my neighbor next door had brought me a little tiny silver bell and they put it
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on the nightstand on my bed and I would ring it if I needed anything.
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And this particular day I rang the bell and my little seven-year-old boy came in and I
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said, I need to go to the restroom.
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So he helped me get up because the bathroom was right next in our bedroom.
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And he helped me into the bathroom and I sat down and as soon as I did, I immediately passed
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out.
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I'd lost so much weight.
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I had was dehydrated.
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I had nothing.
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And immediately I passed out.
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So I ran and told his dad, oh, and before that happened a couple of months before that,
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my husband and I had only been married a couple of years.
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This was our second marriage for both of us.
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But he adopted my kids because he was almost certain I was going to die.
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And so he adopted my kids.
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And there's a 21-year age difference between the two of us.
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So here he is like 52 and he's starting over with kids.
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So he adopted the kids.
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But anyway, so I regressed.
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So I passed out on the floor and he came in.
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He picked me up and he put me in the car.
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He was a police officer at the time.
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He put me in the car and he read light and sirens, took me to the doctors, the latest
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specialist I was seeing, took me in there.
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They led me on the bed and the doctor took one look at me and said, just get her to the
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emergency room.
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And so they did.
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And I remember when we got to the University of Utah Hospital, the doctors and nurses came
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out into the portapoll or what do you call it?
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Where the cars come and everything was in slow motion.
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I just remember everything was in slow motion.
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They got me out of the car, put me on the gurney and took me into the hospital.
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And they immediately gave me seven bags of fluid.
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And my blood pressure at that point was 58 over 32, very, very, very low.
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They were administering to me and taking care of me.
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At that point, I had been diagnosed six times with different diseases and different symptoms
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and been through every test that you can imagine.
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Nothing that they could find.
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At that point, this little man, very short little man, old man, had white hair, a white
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beard, of course, his white coat, and he smelled like a pipe.
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He came up to me.
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He took one look at me.
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He took my hand.
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He looked at my nail beds.
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He put my hand over and over and over.
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He looked at my lips.
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He said, you have it.
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And I said, I have what?
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And he said, you have Addison's disease.
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He'd never seen me before in my life.
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And he said, you have Addison's disease.
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And I said, what do you mean?
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And I had heard of Addison's years ago because of John F. Kennedy, but I didn't really know
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what it was.
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And I said, what do you mean?
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And he said, you have Addison's.
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He proceeded to tell me what it was, then they gave me a shot of 100 milligrams of hydrocortisone,
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which is a steroid, and I started to come around.
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And from that moment forth, they started to give me 300 milligrams of cortisone a day,
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which is a huge dose, but I started to come around.
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I spent a week in the hospital.
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During that week, I was able to walk around.
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I was able to eat a full diet.
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I was able to totally be normal.
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I mean, I was doing everything, and it was just like a miracle.
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The doctor was just saying it was a total, what's the word, a total class of case that
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anybody with any sense could see that I had it.
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Anybody with any knowledge could see it was so obvious.
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While I was in the hospital, I remember, I guess it had to be a Sunday, but they took
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me to the church service in the chapel.
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I'll never forget it.
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I was there, and I was in a wheelchair.
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There were other patients there.
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Some of them were in hospital beds, some of them were in wheelchairs or whatever.
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And I just remember that as we're saying this particular song that is just being so much
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to me to this day, I can't sing up without crying.
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I just had this total peaceful feeling and yet calm feeling that some of those people
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in those bands that day were going to be with our Savior Jesus Christ that very day.
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They were going to be going home.
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I just saw them perform for the joy they were going to be feeling.
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It was just such a special, tender moment for me.
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During my hospital stay, I just had this absolute peaceful, loving, all-consuming feeling of
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peace and love that you can't even imagine how peaceful it was.
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It was the result of the near-death experience that I had.
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Before I left home, before I passed out, I had this experience.
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And I can't tell you to this day how long it lasted.
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It might have lasted a day.
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It might have lasted 10 minutes.
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I have no idea.
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Time is irrelevant when you're going through that.
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I told my mom, I don't know if I really had a near-death because so many people tell you
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they go through the towel and see the bright light, and I never did.
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And so I said, well, I don't know if I had one.
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And she says, no, you had one.
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You had one, is for sure.
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I want to clarify a couple things before we get into the details of it, if you wouldn't mind.
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I realize on the other side, there's really no time.
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But is there some place that you can look back and see, well, it was when I passed out, or
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it was when I was on the way to the hospital, or something like that, that you felt like
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you went to the other side?
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It was before that.
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It was when I was home.
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It was before that.
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It was when I was home in bed.
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It was before I had bring that little bell.
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Right.
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And when you were at your very sickest, because you were sick with a disease plus, you were
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completely dehydrated, your blood pressure was so low.
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Okay.
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Because, you know, for these NDEs, some people look at them as, well, we want to see a flat
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line on a EKG.
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Make sure your heart stopped, that kind of thing.
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They can happen to people when they're in comas.
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They can happen with an experience like you had where, well, was it right here?
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Was it right there?
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It's okay.
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It doesn't matter to me.
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And I was embedded by myself.
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So I could have flat light.
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I have no idea.
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When you're in a room by yourself, you don't know.
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You know, and like I say, timer is irrelevant.
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It could have been three hours long.
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It could have been 15 minutes.
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I have no idea how long it lasted.
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Okay.
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I couldn't tell us what happened.
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What had happened was, and it took place kind of in a, I don't know how to explain it, but
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it was in this big expanse of room.
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And it was kind of like a third person.
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I was up above, not in the air, but just up above.
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And I was looking down on myself and I was kneeling down.
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The area I was in, it was a marble floor, a big expanse marble floor.
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It had marble columns and I was kneeling down in front of a being.
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I never looked with the person that, me, myself kneeling down.
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I never looked at the person I was kneeling in front of.
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I never looked with those eyes.
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I never looked at the person in front of me.
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I was always focused with the person up above looking down at myself.
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And or in front of me, I guess, behind that person, they showed me a panoramic video,
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I guess you would say.
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In this panoramic scene, they showed me scenes of my children growing up.
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And like I say, my kids at the time were probably five, seven, nine, and eleven.
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So you're seeing the future then?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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I'm seeing them as they're growing up.
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And the very last scene that I saw, the very last picture that I saw, I saw my daughter
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as an adult.
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She had a wedding dress on and I was standing next to her and I was begging.
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The thing of it is, I was speaking in a language, being up here in this space, looking down,
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I kept saying, how did you learn to talk like that?
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I could understand it.
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I listened to every word that was said, but I just kept saying, oh, that's so beautiful.
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How did you learn to talk like that?
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And to this day, to this very day, even after it first happened, I could never ever write
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it down.
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I've never been able to form the words to write those words down.
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I understood them.
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I totally got it, but I can't write them down.
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I can't say those words.
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In the scriptures, when it says, people can talk in tongues, I believe that's what happened.
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I believe that I could talk in tongues.
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That I was conversing with what I believe was our Savior.
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I was conversing with Him through tongues.
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I was speaking to Him.
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I was begging and asking to be able to stay on earth, to be able to raise my kids.
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The thing that it is was for some reason, and I do believe I know the answer now, all
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of those other scenes of my other children previous to the one of my daughter in the
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wedding dress was all erased from me.
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I don't remember any of those other pictures.
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I only remember my daughter in her wedding dress.
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I don't remember any of the other pictures.
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I feel like, and as I told you yesterday, I was 32 at the time, my kids were young.
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When they got older, some of them made some difficult choices in their lives.
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We had drugs in our lives.
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We had jail in our lives.
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We had not so great choices.
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And as a mother, that really tore my heart up.
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I wanted so desperately to have my kids do what I wanted them to do.
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I was not okay with the choices they were making.
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And it was really, really hard for me to see them go down that road and not adhere to what
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I wanted them to do.
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One time in particular, when I was praying so, so, so hard for them, I got an answer
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to a prayer.
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And that answer was, Janane, remember in the pre-existence, they chose our Savior's plan.
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They were able to come to earth with a body.
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Once they got here, they maybe lost their way a little bit, but that doesn't mean they're
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gone for good.
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They're still good people.
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They're still good kids.
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Just love them.
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Just love them and accept them for who they are.
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They're good kids.
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They just need your love.
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Don't, don't force yourself on them.
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Don't force your beliefs on them if they don't want it.
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And one site accepted that all of those negative feelings that I had and those hurt feelings,
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they left.
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The anger I had left, I wasn't mad at them anymore.
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I wasn't disappointed in them anymore.
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It was okay.
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It was okay.
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I loved them.
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It just changed our whole dynamics of who, what our relationship was.
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And I feel like as a mother, I learned a big step.
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And I think had I remembered the parts of that video, I wouldn't have been able to have
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them have their free agency.
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And so that part was removed from me.
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But going back to my near death, after I came out of the hospital and I'd been home for,
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I think about a week, I remember standing at the kitchen sink one afternoon and I was
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washing the dishes, looking out the window.
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And at that point I had been filled with that unconditional spirit of love and peace.
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And it was just so consuming.
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I couldn't think a negative thought period.
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It was just so consuming.
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And I remember it was just totally as if the Savior was standing totally right next to me.
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As sure as he was standing right here talking as my husband was standing here, I heard this
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distinct voice saying, I've carried you long enough.
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It's time for you to stand on your own right now.
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And he reached in my heart and he pulled that spirit out of me.
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And I was just grasping and saying, no, no, no.
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And that spirit left me.
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And I knew at that point that he'd given me all I needed.
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And it was my turn.
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I needed to exercise my faith.
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I needed to exercise what I knew was true.
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He left me with that.
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And it was my turn to walk in faith and progress.
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And I've stumbled along the way.
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I haven't stayed on the righteous path the whole way.
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There's been times when I've fallen on my face.
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And there's been times when I've not been a good mother.
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And I've had to beg my kids for forgiveness for things I've done.
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But I've tried.
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I feel like now with raising these kids and we got them late in our life, we got them
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way late in our life.
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Your grandkids, you mean?
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Our grandkids.
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But we've said it was Heavenly Father's way of giving us a do over for the mistakes we've
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made with our kids.
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And we hope that we've done better with these than what we did with our other ones.
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And we hope that we have and we've been blessed tremendously for having them.
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And we took care of them when they were little.
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We chased them around.
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We took care of them when they were balling and kicking and having tantrums.
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We were there.
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And now that my husband is 91 and using a walker and can't put his own socks on and needs
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the help when he falls, they're there picking him up.
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And they're still teenagers.
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That's amazing.
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We're 17, 18, and today the oldest is 20.
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And so they're there helping us.
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And so it's just been remarkable.
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That's beautiful, Janine.
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Can I ask you some questions now?
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Absolutely.
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I've been dying to along the way, but I didn't want to interrupt.
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You mentioned, I think as you put it, you felt like the Savior was standing right
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next to you in the kitchen and heard him speak to you.
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And then it was sort of like he left so that you had to live more by faith.
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How long had he been with you?
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Had this been a couple of days a week?
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How long was it really, really awesome?
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It was a week in the hospital and a week at home.
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So two weeks.
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Two weeks.
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And I had that spirit with me that it was just so, so, so strong.
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All right.
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I want to go back to what you saw because you talked about, this is very unusual.
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You talked about it and please correct me if I don't have it right.
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You were looking down on the scene of yourself.
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Yes.
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Right?
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Kneeling in, in front of Jesus, you saw it.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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How did you feel at that point?
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In awe.
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In awe.
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I knew, I knew who I was standing or kneeling in front of.
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I knew who it was.
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I don't know.
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I've not thought about it, but maybe I was, maybe I was too afraid to look at him because
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if I had looked at him, I know I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have come back.
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They say, and I've read a lot of books on this.
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They say most women will come back for their children.
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Most men will stay.
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I think if I had seen our Savior, I think I would have stayed, but I think my children
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needed me to be home with them.
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Yeah.
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That makes sense.
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Tell me more about the language.
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Do you remember any of the words or anything about what it sounded like?
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It was just such an eloquent language.
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The most I can say is like, this isn't even going to be a temp, a minuscule of it, but
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like Lordship, divine ship.
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I can't express it anymore.
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It was just so eloquent.
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Like I said, I've never been able to speak the words.
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I've never been able to speak them.
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I've never been able to write it down, but I just remember it was just so eloquent.
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Do you think that there is a different language in heaven that we all speak?
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I think we speak a proper English.
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You know how, and I'm not trying to be racist.
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I'm not trying to be biased, but you know how the English language in different parts
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of the country, the same English language, there's slang of English and there's proper
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English.
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I think that's kind of like what it's going to be in heaven.
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There's going to be a higher form of English and there's going to be like our English here
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on earth is going to be kind of referred to like it as slang English compared to a proper
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formal English in heaven, if that makes sense.
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Yeah.
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So did the language seem like English then or completely different?
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No, it seemed like it was English.
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It seemed like it was just a very prim, proper eloquent, but I understood it.
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I totally understood it and I was amazed there was coming from me.
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It was like, where did I learn to talk like that?
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But it came natural.
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I didn't have to sit and think about it.
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It just flowed.
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Okay.
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When you had that special experience in the hospital, you said you went to church there
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and you mentioned a song.
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What was the song that was so special?
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It was called I Stand All Amazed.
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And in that song, it talks about how our Savior was willing to suffer and bleed and die for
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you.
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He basically gave his life for each one of us so that we could live with him again.
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It's basically talking about the atonement of our Savior.
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I just felt like at that point, all of my sins were forgiven that I had done up until
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that point that he suffered and died for me.
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He had forgiven everything I had done up to that point.
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He suffered and he died for me and he loved me.
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And one thing, and I hadn't told you this and I didn't tell you this the other day,
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and I just remembered it.
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When I said that, when I was on my knees, I was conversing with him.
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He told me I was doing a job well done.
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How did that make you feel?
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It made me feel good because I, as a teenager, was rebellious.
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I did some stupid stuff.
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I was married 10 years and after being married 10 years, I again turned to rebellious and
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stuff.
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And then my husband and I got remarried, or not remarried, but got married.
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And we kind of struggled with some things.
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And we went through repentance process.
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Some of the stuff that we went through, I won't really go into it, but was very private.
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It was a struggle whether or not we were truly repentant, whether or not we'd really been
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forgiven.
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I thought we had been, but you don't really know.
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You think, well, I really think we have been.
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I think we have been forgiven and you feel you have been.
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But then you get other people judging you and they think, oh, we know what you've done.
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We know what you've done.
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You're not a good person.
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We know what you've done.
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And so you kind of have the guilty conscience, I guess, but then when you hear Jesus himself
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telling you you've done a job well done, you put it all away.
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And you know, I don't care what the naysayers say, you know, that you've done a job well
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done and the one that truly counts, leaves in you.
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And you know that it's okay.
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And unfortunately, like I say, I forgot that some of the time after that and let my pride
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get in the way of some things and fell on my face some of the time afterwards.
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But I think now I'm trying really, really hard to get back to that so that I can hear
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that again one day.
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That's my goal is to be able to hear that again, that I'm doing a job well done.
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That's my ultimate goal is to hear that.
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That's beautiful, Janine.
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If there's somebody listening today that is struggling whether, you know, they just don't
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know should they believe in God, should they believe in an afterlife based on what you've
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learned and experienced, what can you share with them that might help?
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I would say one thing is don't fear death.
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Death is not scary.
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It's just like we lived in heaven before we came to earth.
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We just stepped through one door to come to another door and we're here on earth.
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At the end of this mortality, we stepped through another door and go to heaven.
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When we're in heaven, we're going to be together as families.
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It's going to be so much more glorious than it is here.
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We're not going to have pain, the suffering.
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It's going to be beautiful.
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I really think it's going to be beautiful.
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I think a lot of the pettiness, the worry in, the things that get us down here, we're
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not going to be bothered with that up there.
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I think we're going to just be happy.
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We're going to not even just be happy.
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I think we're going to have joy.
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That was my motto for years and years and years.
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Men are that they might have joy.
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I said it over and over and over.
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I just want to have joy.
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Joy is different than happiness.
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I think you can be happy and not have joy.
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Happy, you can have $100 bill and be happy, but that's not going to bring you joy.
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So many times people chase the almighty dollar or whatever, but that's not bringing you joy.
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Joy is what you find in your heart.
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I think that's what we're going to have in heaven, it's the joy.
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That's what I'm looking forward to.
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Thank you so much for sharing with us today, Janine.
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I really appreciate it.
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You're welcome.
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I hope I've touched somebody and I don't know why I was given this.
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I had two sisters die relatively young.
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One was 39, one was 52.
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They never went through anything like this and I wondered why I had it.
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We all had autoimmune diseases, why I had this and why I'm still around and they were.
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Maybe they chose to stay there when they had the chance.
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Yeah, yeah, they had their trials.
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They definitely had their trials just same as I've had my trials.
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I'm not saying to the 38 years it's been a piece of cake because my health has been
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up and down.
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I mean, you can ask anybody.
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I've been sick more than you can shake a stick at.
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I've been in the hospital numerous times, whether or not I was going to make it or not, but
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through a loving husband that has taken care of me and through lots of prayers, I have made
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it and I'm still here.
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I'm here for a reason and I'm grateful to be here.
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I'm glad that you reached out to me.
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It was surprising and I hope maybe just a small part.
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I've can touch somebody's heart.
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I don't know.
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Maybe.
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I'm sure you have.
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Thank you again, Janine.
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Appreciate it.
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You're welcome.
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Thank you.
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Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast.
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