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From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.
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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.
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And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my
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physical body because I was somewhere else.
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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
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anything else to be felt.
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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.
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I'm back home again.
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Incredibly safe and felt at home.
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Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody.
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And to our very special guest today, Kate Kway.
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Is that how you say your last name?
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Yeah, it is.
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It's funny because you can also be pronounced key if you're from the UK.
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So sometimes people call me key, but yeah, it's Kway.
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I'm going to pretend I'm from the UK.
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All right, key.
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No, we'll go with Kate.
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If I accidentally call you Katie, that's my fault.
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I have a daughter named Katie, so don't be shocked if that happens.
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It's okay.
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I grew up as a Katie and I changed to Kate in college because I thought it was fancier.
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So totally fine.
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I was Katie growing up.
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It's so much more mature.
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Yes, it is.
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And you're mature now because you've got kids, including a new baby.
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Tell us about it.
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Yeah, so I'm a wife and a mom.
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I've got two little girls, one's three and a half.
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One is two months old.
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Gosh, my two month old, she's just the smileiest, happiest little baby.
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So the first time around, it's pretty rough.
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And the second time I'm like, yes, I'm going to enjoy this.
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Second time you're around, you're a pro.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I'm like, oh, I can read her signals really well and blowouts, whatever.
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It's totally fine.
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And just assume when you're going anywhere, it's going to take 20 minutes to actually
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get into the car.
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Things like that that you learn the first time around.
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But anyway, this podcast is not baby talk, although that would be fun.
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We talk about near death experiences.
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And I'm going to give our audience a little heads up.
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Normally, the majority of the experiences we talk about are the traditional.
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We can actually document somebody's heart stopped, they were resuscitated, came back,
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and they can remember things that happened to them while they were clinically dead and
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on the other side.
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You haven't died yet.
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No, not that I know of.
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So I don't know if we want to call this an NDE, OBE, and STE or whatever we feel like
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it really doesn't matter.
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The fact is that these kinds of spiritual experiences or experiences with the spirit
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world can happen whether we die or not.
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In fact, if you study scripture, you will see accounts in there.
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So there's some homework if anyone feels like doing it.
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So Kate, you've already told us you're mom, you live in Reno, right?
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Yeah, yeah.
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We've been here a few years.
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We're big mountain outdoor people.
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And my gosh, it's just like a little mecca for outdoor living.
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It's really amazing.
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Big mountain biker, trail runner, fly fishing, camping, all the good stuff.
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Outside of that, I've been working in the outdoor cycling industry for, gosh, I was
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trying to do the math last night.
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I was like 15 years.
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So a long time, I've been working with bikes doing the nerdy stuff, so data analytics, planning.
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And most recently started doing education around UX design.
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So yeah, it's been a journey.
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I love working in areas and places that I'm passionate about.
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For those that don't know what UX design is, go ahead and give us the 30 second, what is
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it?
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Yeah, it's called user experience design.
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And it's basically data and researched method to making digital products more intuitive and
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user friendly.
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So, you know, you probably know this when you've been on a website that just kind of
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sucks and you can't find what you need and you get so frustrated and you just leave.
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That is a bad user experience.
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So my job would be to go in and say, hey, what are you trying to do and make that more
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intuitive and easy to do?
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Yeah, I think the big thing, Eric, is that after this spiritual transformation in my
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life, I realized like, hey, I don't want to just help people sell more products that aren't
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going to bring them more light and love and energy into the world.
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So my big thing is wanting to change my career and help people.
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And so I've took the leap of faith and started a UX consultant brand called Expand UX.
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So you can find me on expandux.com.
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And yeah, I'm just here to help individuals and brands make their products more intuitive
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and easy to use so we can just get the message out.
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Very cool.
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Yeah, you don't want that website or that app to stand in the way.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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It should be a gateway and a tool.
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And it drives me crazy if I have to click 10 times on a site to get where I want to
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go.
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Yeah.
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Right?
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It should be once or twice.
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Okay, enough about that.
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You had an unusual experience.
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I'm going to just let you jump into it.
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This has not been very long ago, but there was trauma in your life.
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Go ahead and tell us what happened.
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Yeah.
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My friend was murdered a few years back now and it shattered me.
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It changed my life entirely.
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But I think that the beauty that has come out of that trauma is, that's what I'm here
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to share today.
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I've had one specific very spiritual transformative experience, but I've also had a series of
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synchronicities and miracles that have really fully transformed my life.
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And so out of this trauma, I can say that my life has been changed entirely and entirely
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for the better.
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And that is so important for me to share with the world because everyone's going to encounter
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these really hard things in their life and there is the possibility of finding joy and
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love and peace out of those really dark moments.
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Yeah.
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Let me just interject with, there are some commonalities there to regular NDEs.
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People are changed.
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And they often give up their old job or things about their old life that they don't like.
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And you didn't have to die for that to happen.
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And that's actually a really good thing.
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So let's jump into it.
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The way I found out about my friend's death was, I think was part of it too.
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I had been messaging her and I got radio silence and I was like, hey, where is this person?
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And I got the phone call.
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The day after she was killed, I got the phone call saying, hey, we've found your friend.
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And I just collapsed, I was just a mess.
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And it was really, really difficult.
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And that night I went to bed and I was just like, how am I ever going to go to sleep?
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And while I did eventually fall asleep and while I was asleep, I had this most profound
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dream.
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And I guess as a disclaimer, at the time I was an atheist.
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I'd grown up in the Lutheran church, but a lot of young people in college, I had kind
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of turned away from my trust in Christianity and in faith.
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And there's nothing wrong with a per se, but I definitely was like a hardcore atheist
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of like, there's nothing after we die.
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And so the fact that this person that I cared about was dead in this way, it was just very
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hard for me to kind of wrap my head around.
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So anyways, I'm having this dream and I'm in this space and it's like this house of where
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these souls are kind of, it's like a halfway house, this transition period between earth
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and the spirit world.
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And these spirits are moving in and out and it's almost like this place where you can
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go and communicate.
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And I was in this nice little cozy corner with my friend.
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And now looking back, I can recognize that we were both our light bodies.
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So like I've recognized her, but we weren't our physical selves.
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We were light beings.
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And it was like the most warm and beautiful and joyful interaction.
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Like you'd think that after someone died, like it wouldn't be joyful, but it was just
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filled with love.
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And I can still feel that love today.
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It's almost like we were instantly there and we just started talking.
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And she told me, you're an amazing mother.
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You're an amazing mother.
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I had my first daughter at that time.
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She was a newborn.
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And I just remember feeling this really strong message about how my motherhood was going
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to be really important in my life.
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And then I remember telling her, you would have been such a great mother because she
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really would have.
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And she just lit up and she was just like, I know, I know, I know.
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And I think that looking back now, I understand the message she was trying to tell me was
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that my connection with her mom was going to be important too and kind of being that
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conduit to give peace to her mom too.
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It's like this whole message of motherhood was really important.
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And then after that conversation, she told me very directly, like, I'm okay and I'm
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not alone.
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After she said that, I woke up, I was just instantly out and I just woke up just sobbing.
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Wow.
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A couple of questions.
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How long was this after she died?
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This was 24 hours after she died.
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Oh, so right after.
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So this was a very fresh wound.
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Yes.
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For your soul.
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How is this different than just a regular dream that we have sometimes?
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That's a good question, Eric.
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And I know I hear you ask that a lot to people and it's like, regular dreams, they come and
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they go and they don't feel significant and they don't feel real.
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Like, you know that you're dreaming.
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And in this case, like the, you know, I'm a very physically sensitive person.
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I can feel a lot of stuff and I can just feel that this was different and like I can go
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back and I can still put myself in that situation like it was, like it was yesterday.
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But because I was an atheist, I spent an entire year thinking it was just my brain.
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Thinking, oh, you know, I was grieving.
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Of course I had that dream.
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That's not real.
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Like she wouldn't, she couldn't come and talk to me.
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I knew that it was significant enough that I kind of like held onto it that full year.
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But I didn't want to believe it because I almost was afraid that if someone or something
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were to tell me it wasn't real, then my hope would be shattered.
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Does that make sense?
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Yeah.
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You knew it was real.
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You wanted to make sure it stayed that way.
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What changed after a year?
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Well it was the anniversary of her death.
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The big thing, the big driver of this actually was, you know, I went into therapy maybe six
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months or eight months before.
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My therapist finally was able to like broach the topic of death.
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So like I really had this strong fear.
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Like I would have panic attacks when we would start talking about death.
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Like that's how afraid I was of it.
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And so it started in therapy of like her being like, hey, what do you think happens when
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we die?
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I was like, well, I don't want to talk about that.
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That sounds awful.
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And so that's how you know there's something there.
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So anyways, we were able to kind of bring it up and she was able to probe a little bit
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and it kind of opened the gateway for me to realize that there was something there that
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it needs to work on.
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When you, I believe now when you have a fear, when you have this resistance to something,
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that means there's something there that's juicy that you can kind of dig into that like
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you need to work on that's going to help you open your love, open your heart and expand
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your consciousness.
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And so now I know that there was something really juicy there.
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So it kind of, my therapist kind of primed me to be ready to be open to having that conversation.
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As a follow up, you know, around the time of my friend's death anniversary, you know,
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everyone's kind of calling each other and checking in to how are you doing?
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And this one person called me and for some reason I just felt safe telling her about
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my dream.
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Like I don't know what caused me to tell her, but I did.
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I just felt compelled and I felt, I think the biggest thing is felt safe.
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When I shared that with her, she had these tears in her eyes and she was like, Kate,
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I believe you.
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I believe you and I believe that your friend came and it came to see you.
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It was just like this, this wave washed through me of like relief and hope.
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And the big thing for me too is like the thought of my friend dying in the way that she did,
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you know, when she was so loved that she was alone and that she was scared and that like
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that to me, even to this day, like knowing where she is and how loved and held as she
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is and how much she's still with us.
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But it still hurts, you know, and my friend was like, hey, you should look in in your
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death experiences.
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So not only did she validate my dream or my spiritual encounter, she said, hey, you should
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check out in your death experiences.
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You know, I heard that the, she said, I heard that the dying process is like really beautiful
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and peaceful and I was like, whatever, whatever, I don't believe that.
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But I felt something, I felt something like hope for the first time in a year and excitement
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and excitement.
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So, you know, I, I hopped online and I, I think that night I downloaded my Kindle.
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I think it's called many lives, many masters.
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I can't remember it's the psychologist who like hypnotized his patients.
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And then I also bought the Alexander Eben book.
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I can't remember what it's called either, but his, his work's amazing.
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And then finally I found your podcast and basically Eric ever since I've been on a binge
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of spiritual material every single day and it's, it's, it's just like completely transformed
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my life.
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When someone believe in the afterlife and be an atheist, do you have to believe in God
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to believe in an afterlife?
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What a profound question.
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In my opinion, the word God is very heavy, which it doesn't need to be, but we've made
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it this way and because people have a lot of baggage, emotional baggage when it comes
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to religion.
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In my opinion, to believe in an afterlife, it just means you have to believe in something
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higher than yourself and some like that there is something greater than yourself that exists
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out there.
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So whether or not that is God explicitly, you know, I, yeah, I don't know.
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What do you think Eric?
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I asked you the question.
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I get the easy job here.
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I don't have to answer hard stuff.
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My personal opinion is yes.
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It can be both.
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I think that, um, I don't think that they are mutually exclusive, but I do believe,
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well, just from the many, many, many people that I've talked to that they do go hand in
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hand, that people when they believe in an afterlife, they tend to believe in a God, whether that
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is a biblical type God, a source of energy, whatever it is.
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And I don't care to put a label on it today.
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I have my beliefs, other people have their beliefs and I respect all of them.
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But yeah, it's pretty hard to separate them.
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But I don't know.
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I don't know.
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We'll have to talk to more atheists and see.
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It seems like all the atheists that I talked to are start kind of how you did and they
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say, I'm a former atheist.
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Oh, I guess I should say I'm a former atheist.
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I should clarify.
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You know, the topic of religion and spirituality is super interesting.
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And I know that this comes up on, on your podcast and you have a mix of everyone and,
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you know, something that was really special about what you do is that you are non-judgmental
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and non-denominational.
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And that includes the non-judgment of people that come on here and say that they are firm
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believers in Christianity and Christ.
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And it's, it's hard because, you know, I'm one of those people that can get triggered
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by religion.
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But you know what?
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That's, that is me.
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That is, that is, that means that, you know, there's not, they're not doing anything bad.
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It means that there's something, a wound inside me that needs caring for and being looked
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at.
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And that's what I'm recognizing now.
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It's like, hey, if I'm triggered by someone that says they are an evangelical Christian,
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which is the household I grew up in, that that is some wound that I'm carrying.
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And we need to find a way to have non-judgment towards everyone's beliefs, even if that belief
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is telling you that you are wrong, right?
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So anyways, anyways, I could go on all day about that.
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Tell me about motherhood.
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You said that motherhood seemed to be a theme of this.
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Expound on that.
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Yeah.
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So let me start with my next spiritual experience or I guess synchronicity leading from my,
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my friend's death.
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So in the months after I had my awakening, I was thinking, man, you know, I really feel
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compelled to write to my friend's mom.
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I don't know why, what gives me the right to reach out to this woman?
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Like she's, she has gone through one of the worst things that you will ever experience
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in this life.
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What gives me the right?
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So I kind of waffle down on it.
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And finally after maybe like six months, I was like, okay, I'm going to write to her.
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And I sat down and I wrote out my dream.
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And when I was doing that, I was trying to get into this meditative state of like, let
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me, if my friend wants to send a message to her mom, like let me help be that person if
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that's what the, what, you know, God or spirit wants me to do.
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And so I wrote out this message about how my friend really valued her relationship with
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her mom and it was so important and all these things.
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And I finished the letter, it was like 10 pages long.
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I was like, I'm kind of embarrassed.
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So I put it in this envelope and I was like, great, I'm going to get it in the mail.
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And I'm one of those people like when I decided to do something I want it done now.
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So I get it in the mail and I'm super excited.
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I go to the mailbox the next day and the letter is still there.
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I'm like, why didn't the mailman pick this up?
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So I put the flag up.
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He's going to pick it up today.
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And then I go out the next day and it's still there.
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And I'm like, what the heck?
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And I go inside and I'm like, oh, and I was like, why, why is this not getting picked
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up?
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Like, should I pick, should I go and drop it off at like another mailbox?
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And I go back out a few hours later and I had realized that the stamp wasn't enough because
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my letter was so big.
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So I was like, okay, I'm just going to add, maybe I'll just add another stamp.
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And I go out and the letter has been picked up.
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So I think the mailman just kind of gave up on me and I was like, fine, I'll cover you
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the two cents or whatever.
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And so the letter was mailed and it was few days after I wanted it too.
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So I was like, okay, it's out.
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And then I get a letter two weeks later from her mom.
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And you know, I saw it and I was like, oh my God, like I know this is going to be significant.
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I need to open this.
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And I open it and she said, Kate, your letter meant so much to me, you know, and it arrived
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at the exact, exact moment in which I needed it.
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She had had to write a victim impact statement to the court over her daughter's murder
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that day.
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And she said she was just heartbroken and torn apart and needed something to help soothe
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her soul.
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And my letter arrived that day and she read it and she just wept.
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I mean, it was just like, you know, like the, I think God has a, God has a sense of
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humor.
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God has a really strong sense of humor.
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I'm positive of that.
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Absolutely.
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I'm like one of the most impatient people in the world, Eric.
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When I decided to do something, I'm like, I'm freaking doing it.
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And I know that about myself and, you know, I've really learned to slow down.
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And this time it's like God was just saying, you know what, you just need to be patient,
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Kate, the timing is all going to work out perfectly.
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And so I just felt like so grateful that, you know, my friend blessed me with this dream,
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but she was also able to help bless her mom with this compassion and this comfort, almost
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like a hug from her daughter on the day that she needed it.
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So yeah, that was really special.
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Didn't that feel good to be a part of that?
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Oh my God.
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I can say her letter around with me and I read it when I need energy and I need love.
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And maybe your friend and God wanted to give that comfort to your friend's mother and
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you got to be a part of that.
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You were an instrument in that and that feels good, doesn't it?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Let's talk about fear of death.
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You said you have lots of fear of death.
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Most people on the show because they've had a true and you have no more fear of death.
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Where's your level of fear of death now compared to where it was?
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I knew you're going to ask me this and I had to figure out how to be honest about it.
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I must be way too predictable if you know everything I'm going to ask you.
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I listen every single Monday.
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And when you don't post a Monday, it's like, where is round trip death this week?
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So anyways, but that's just me.
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No, I'm not afraid of death.
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I feel connected to the afterlife.
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I feel connected to the spirit world.
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Why I'm not a zero out of 10 is because I have a young family and I want to be there
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for my family and I feel like my job raising my two daughters is so important.
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So I'm going to give myself a two out of 10, but I want to tell everyone that listens to
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this podcast that you can feel, there are experiences and moments that you can have
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where you can tune in and feel that love and feel that support and know that you don't have
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to be afraid.
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And it takes time.
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And I do want to follow up Eric about like my relationship with my daughters because
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I think this ties back to my friend too.
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But is there any follow up on my scale, my rating?
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Yeah, I think you can have very little fear of death and it's okay to have some, right?
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We haven't been through it before, so it's okay.
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And especially what might lead up to a death because sometimes that's painful and other
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negative things.
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So a little fear is not an unhealthy thing.
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But let's go ahead and separate your fear of death from your wanting to stay here to
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be with your children.
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And let's say those are two different things.
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I want to be here to take care of my children and I don't have much fear of death.
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That's okay.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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Yep.
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Okay, keep going.
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I think one of the big ways in which spirituality has, or my belief in God has changed my life
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is that I grew up really sensitive.
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So I'm the middle of five kids.
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I was the quote unquote sensitive one.
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I had really big emotions.
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I just could feel energy.
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Before I knew what feeling energy was, I would feel when my parents were anxious or fighting
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or whatever and I would just want to hide.
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The phrase that I remember from growing up constantly is you just need to be strong.
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You just need to be strong.
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And what that means is when you are sensitive, you are weak.
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I held this belief up until, I don't know, a year and a half ago and I'm in my late 30s.
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And I think that it made me not trust myself.
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It made me not trust my intuition, trust my instincts, and because I was taught that strong
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emotions or big emotions that were bad or something you do alone and you didn't know
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how to regulate them, that I had to learn how to shut that down.
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And so in college, I just drank a lot and I party a lot and I wasn't a bad kid.
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I still got good grades and I still cared about people, but I just didn't know how to deal
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with the energy and the emotions that I felt.
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Now bringing this back to my children, my firstborn daughter is so sensitive.
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She's a firecracker.
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She is full of opinions.
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She's like a rebel.
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She loves monster trucks.
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She loves running.
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She loves, oh my gosh, she loves cars.
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Cars are her favorite thing.
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But she can't even watch regular TV.
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There's that show, Bluey, which is so sweet and has such good messaging.
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And half the episodes she gets scared of and we just turn it off.
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And I'm like, okay, you know what?
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Because of the work that I've done on myself and understanding sensitivity, I can now raise
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my daughter in an intentional way to cultivate that sensitivity as a strength rather than
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saying you just need to be strong.
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You just watch this Bluey episode because you need to be a strong and all your friends
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are watching this and what's wrong with you.
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Now I can say, hey, I know that that might feel scary for you.
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Let's explore that.
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Where do you feel that in your body?
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What are ways that you can protect yourself?
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What are things that you can do to surround yourself with more love and care?
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And that to me is like, that is the important gift is that I am passing that on to the next
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generation because of the work that I've gone through.
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And I'm now able to recognize the strength in my daughter, not the weakness or shame
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in my daughter.
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And that is one of the greatest gifts.
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And so, you know, looking back on my discussion with my friend in the spirit world, it's like,
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yeah, this is important because if I'm able to raise a daughter or daughters from the
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start, understanding this beautiful marriage between emotion and intellect, because, you
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know, our emotions are just there.
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They're just signals.
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They're just there to tell us something like, hey, you're feeling something here.
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How about you go in and think, you know, explore this a little bit rather than, wow, you shouldn't
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be feeling upset about this.
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Why are you feeling upset?
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Go cry in your room.
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If I can raise kids to be emotionally intelligent and understand what they're feeling, how much
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more good can they go do in the world?
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Like that, that is the gift.
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That is the beauty.
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They can go out and they can be self-confident, have intuition, be compassionate little souls,
477
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and do so much more good in the world.
478
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I want to be your child, okay?
479
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Sounds like you're a perfect mom.
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That is awesome.
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I'm not perfect, but yeah, I try.
482
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When we talked the other day, you told me a little bit about an experience you had with
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your grandmother.
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Would you like to talk about that now before we're done?
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Yeah, of course.
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So this just happened a couple weeks ago, and I think why this is significant is that,
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you know, sometimes I still doubt myself and my intuition.
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So this was just a message from the, I think, from the universe saying, hey, like, if you
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feel something, just trust it, just trust it.
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So a couple weeks ago, out of the blue, I was talking with my husband and I was like,
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hey, you know, it's kind of crazy.
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Like, I only have, we only have one grandparent between the two of us that's still alive.
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And it's my grandmother, my grandmother.
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Unfortunately, you know, we weren't close growing up and that's a whole nother story,
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but yeah, so I don't talk about her very often.
496
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It's not like a common occurrence.
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It was out of the blue.
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It was just like, hey, that's kind of crazy that, you know, we have one left.
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And that was it.
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Just kind of dropped it.
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Now that night, I was awoken in the middle of the night with this really vivid dream
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or sensation that someone was leaning over me to look at my baby.
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And any new parent will know, like, that's going to wake you up right away.
504
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,080
So I like woke up and I was like, oh, what is that?
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And I, you know, in that moment, I felt, I definitely felt something or someone in the
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room, but I knew that, you know, they weren't a physical person.
507
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It was some kind of spirit.
508
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I've learned enough about spirituality to say, hey, you can set boundaries with spirits.
509
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And so I said, you know, I don't, please, please leave.
510
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It's the middle of the night and I just want to feel safe with my baby.
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And then I went back to bed.
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The next morning I wake up and I see a text from my mom and she said, hey, your grandmother
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passed away last night.
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And I was like, oh my gosh, mom, you know, I'm so sorry, you know, let me know if there's
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anything I can do to support you.
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00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,760
And I just kind of like forgot, you know, like, I didn't forget about it, but I forgot
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about my dream.
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And I just kind of moved on.
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00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:45,760
And later that day I was like, wait, could that have been my grandmother?
520
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:50,320
And I was like, mom, when did grandmother pass away?
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Do you know?
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Because I know that my experience happened sometime between 3.30 and 5.30.
523
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Because you know, when you have a newborn, you're up every few hours and knew exactly
524
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:01,880
when it happened.
525
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It was during that time.
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And my mom takes me back and she's like, oh, you know, grandmother passed away sometime
527
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between 3 and 8 a.m.
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And I was like, oh my gosh, that was my grandmother.
529
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Like, absolutely.
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00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:23,680
And so I, it was to me, it was just like this moment, like this huge smile came across my
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face and I was like, she was just checking on the baby.
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She just wanted to see her new, her new great granddaughter before she went on into the spirit
533
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,880
world into the next spot.
534
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:41,040
So anyways, I thought that that was just like this really beautiful affirmation that we're
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all connected, that you should trust yourself and that, you know, even if you have a complicated
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00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,960
relationship, there is still love.
537
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:50,960
There is still love.
538
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:51,960
Wow.
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Thank you for all your insights today.
540
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,240
I'm not even sure where to go next.
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We're short on time.
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But I'll tell you what, okay, you know this is coming.
543
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,720
You have so many beautiful things to say.
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Go ahead and leave our listeners with a message of hope.
545
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:16,040
I think you sort of started mentioning it at the beginning, Eric, and that is you don't
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00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:27,920
need to die or even have this big traumatic life experience to feel the love and joy of
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00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,080
the other side.
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00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:35,200
I think that the universe is always trying to talk to us and connect with us.
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And it's just a matter of learning to go inside yourself, trust yourself, self-compassion,
550
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:48,360
self-love, and start connecting with the other side.
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00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:49,720
And it is possible.
552
00:34:49,720 --> 00:34:58,480
You know, I think also there is just so much love for us on the other side that is part
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00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,400
of our daily life that we're not aware of.
554
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,320
You know, even when we feel the most alone, we are never alone.
555
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,560
And that's just the most beautiful thing.
556
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,040
Absolutely.
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00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,560
And let's pay a little more attention to our dreams.
558
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,200
That's something I know I can do better with.
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00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:19,560
And the ones that seem like they're profound in some way, let's not just discount them
560
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:24,880
as, oh, that was only a dream.
561
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,920
Yours was much more than that.
562
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,480
And I think a lot of other peoples are also.
563
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:30,480
Yeah.
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00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,400
Can I say something to that actually?
565
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,640
So I actually am teaching my daughter to like remember her dreams.
566
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,160
So you know, oh, what did you dream about?
567
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:46,920
But also my husband, he loves me, he supports me, and he does, he's not as in-depth into
568
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,160
this as I am, but he's sort of there.
569
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,160
He sees it.
570
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,200
He's seen some of the benefits.
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00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:57,400
And he's been having these dreams about his grandfather and he'll wake up and he hears
572
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,200
like a buzzing in his ear.
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00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,560
And he's like, I don't know if I believe it.
574
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:03,560
And I was like, you know what?
575
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,280
Like I asked him, does it feel significant?
576
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,280
And he said, yeah.
577
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,000
And I was like, okay, you don't have to understand it.
578
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,000
Just if your dream feels significant, just let it be significant.
579
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,200
And you don't have to try and understand.
580
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,200
Just let it be there.
581
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,440
So yeah, I fully agree with you with the dream thing.
582
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:22,200
Like it's the closest we get to being connected to spirit world is through our dreams and
583
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,200
when we're asleep.
584
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,200
Yeah.
585
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,200
These more common things than actually dying and coming back.
586
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,200
Yeah, absolutely.
587
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,800
I think most of us can have some of these significant things from time to time.
588
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,360
One last question.
589
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,200
Your friend said, I'm okay and I'm not alone.
590
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,200
Yeah.
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00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,200
Do you have any idea what she, who she was not alone with?
592
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,200
Did she give you any indication?
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00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,680
No.
594
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:55,120
I think when I look back on it, she was trying to me, it was like the message that I needed
595
00:36:55,120 --> 00:37:01,120
to hear because so much of my pain was her dying alone.
596
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:08,080
And then also being alone, like my understanding of death, not that this makes any sense as
597
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,440
an atheist, but that you would die and you'd be like conscious, but you'd be alone forever
598
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:13,440
in darkness.
599
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,400
And that was like my understanding of death.
600
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:23,480
So retrospectively, it's her way of communicating or being a balm to one of my greatest fears
601
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,600
and also like torment of the way she died.
602
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:27,600
Yeah.
603
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:34,240
It's funny how so many people have told me that they have done things or had experiences
604
00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:39,440
with things where someone on the other side wanted to make them feel better.
605
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,880
They cared that much about them.
606
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:46,080
And that says a lot about what it's like in the spirit world.
607
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,760
We still care about those that we care about here, right?
608
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,920
We still have relationships.
609
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,120
We care about their feelings.
610
00:37:54,120 --> 00:38:00,440
And if we can do something to help them feel better and feel comforted or whatever the
611
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,920
term is, I think they want to do that.
612
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,080
They want to help us out whenever they can.
613
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,600
And there's probably a lot of times that they do and we don't know it.
614
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:15,760
And so we can just give gratitude for all of that and whether we call those angels or
615
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,800
whatever term we want to put on them.
616
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,200
I think a lot of that goes on around us.
617
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,320
So anyway, thanks, Kate.
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I really appreciate you being with me and opening up like this.
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Yeah.
620
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Yeah.
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Thank you so much for having me, Eric.
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And thank you from the bottom of my heart for everything that you do.
623
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So yeah, thank you.
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Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast.
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