Kimberly Meets Jesus In Her NDE

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From the time that they pronounced me dead was

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a good 45 minutes. They cut my clothes and then

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they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped and

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I could see people screaming and crying but I

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didn't realize that was actually my physical

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body because I was somewhere else. The only thing

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that I could feel if you could imagine absolute

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love and peace, there wasn't anything else to

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be felt. I was greeted by people I'd known in

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the past. I'm back home again. Incredibly safe

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and felt at home. Welcome, welcome to Round Trip

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Death, everybody. And a special welcome to our

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guest, Kimberly Kennedy, who is in Las Vegas,

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Nevada. What's it like in Nevada today? Oh, my

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goodness. The weather is so pretty. It's very

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nice out today. It's not too hot. Still a little

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chilly, but it's beautiful. Now, for people that

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have not spent much time in Las Vegas, they probably

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think all there is is the Las Vegas strip and

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all the neon lights and all that kind of stuff.

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But there's actually over a million regular people

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that actually live in that valley. Would you

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say you fall into that category? Yes, absolutely.

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Las Vegas is my home and I love it here. I've

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spent a lot of time there on business and have

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friends there and they love it. I get it. I don't

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get the love on the hundred and fifteen degree

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days in the summer, but I love it. I love it.

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Good. Well, we're going to jump right into this.

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You had a really special experience that we're

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going to hear about. And before we do, I'm going

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to give you just one minute to tell us a little

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bit about Kimberly. What do you do in Vegas?

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Like I said, I've lived in Las Vegas my entire

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life. Most recently, my latest and greatest on

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me is I just got married. And so not only am

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I a brand new wife, but I also have got four

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stepchildren now. And so I'm an instant mom,

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and it's the best. I love it. That is so fun.

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Congratulations on both being a newlywed and

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a newly mother. I love it. Yes, it brings me

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true joy. Great. Let's talk about your physical

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health as you were growing up because it has

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something to do with the experience that you

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had about 20 years ago when it all came to a

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culmination. You had an undiagnosed issue from

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childhood that got worse as you got older. Give

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us some background. Tell us what it was like.

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So I was born with a genetic heart defect that

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causes when My heart beats instead of the electrical

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pulse going out to the rest of my body, like

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my arms and my legs, my brain, like everybody's

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does, so normally and naturally, like we don't

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even think about it. It comes so naturally, but...

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When I was born, I was born this way, I was born

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with a genetic heart defect that causes, it's

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got an electrical pathway, an extra one, that

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causes when my heart beats instead of going out

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like it should, it just goes around and around

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and around and around in a circle, and it causes

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me to go into AFib or VTAC. the superventricular

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tachycardia was the official term and diagnosis

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that I was given. Now, relate that in regular

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words. What does that mean for the rest of us?

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Fast heartbeat? Yeah, super, super quick. So

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that day it ended up getting to 240 beats per

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minute. And up until that time, like I said,

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I was 25 years old when this happened. So it's

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been exactly 20 years growing up. never had a

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whole lot of indication. I did on occasion, like

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I said, with the genetic being born with it,

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it was something that when I was put into extreme

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situations physically, on occasion, it would

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manifest in like an extra little heartbeat, but

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nothing like it was that day. And I was very,

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very active. I was busy, busy, busy. So it really

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came out of nowhere. That must have been so scary.

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Yes. It was unexpected. Where were you and what

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did you do? So this is really wild really crazy

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I actually was working at the high school where

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I went to high school at so my alma mater I was

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working there later. What happened that day?

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I had gotten up to go to work And it was like

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any regular day, except I was running a little

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late. I had wanted to shower but hadn't had the

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chance for one. So I ran out the door really

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quick wanting a shower. But I was able to get

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to work on time. made it through the day, and

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then I was getting ready to go home. Everybody

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else had gone home for the day. I was sort of

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last to leave. There were a couple other people

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there, but for the most part, it was just me.

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I was walking out to my car, and as I was walking

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out, I started to feel a little sick. I wasn't

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sure exactly what was going on, but I'm like,

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well, maybe I just need to get home and get a

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little rest. As I got to my car, I realized that

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I felt sick, but I also felt like my heart was

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racing, which was strange because I wasn't running.

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I wasn't doing anything physically strenuous.

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But I know what it feels like. When I go to the

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gym, I get my heart rate up and everybody knows

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what that feels like. But here I was, I was just

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walking and hadn't been doing anything strenuous.

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And I had this feeling of like my heart was just

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racing and running. So I reached out and tried

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to find my pulse and I couldn't. And I said,

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well, maybe if I can just drive myself to the

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hospital, I'll be okay. By the time I got into

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the car, I realized I was in trouble, that there

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was something going on, something was wrong.

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I remember thinking to myself, if I can find

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somebody to call 911, I might be okay. Like I

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had no clue what was going on. So what happened?

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Were you able to call 911? I didn't have access

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to a phone, so I actually ended up having to

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walk a mile back to the main building before

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I found help and before I was able to find a

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co -worker, a couple co -workers who were able

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to call paramedics. The paramedics were really

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confused because I was only 25 years old. I wasn't

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very old and I had never had. symptoms had never

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been diagnosed, but here I was with this heart

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rate, they said, you know, was getting higher

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and skyrocketing. So the paramedics got there.

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It was kind of a really interesting and funny

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interaction. The paramedics got there and I really

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didn't want to go with them. I was just hoping

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that like they would get there and snap their

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fingers. I don't know what I thought they were

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going to do. But I said, I really don't want

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to go. And the one paramedic, I remember he looked

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at me and he said, OK, honey, he says, we can

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get you ready to go. Like we can get you in the

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ambulance, get you ready to go to the hospital

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and take you that way. Or we can wait till your

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blood pressure gets so high that you pass out

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and then we'll take you. Like it was that bad.

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Those were my choices. Great options. Thank you.

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Yeah, thanks. Great options, great choices. And

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I remember thinking at the time, this is not

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fair. Like, this is not right. I want to call

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my husband, you know, at the time who I was married

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to. And it just didn't make sense to me. I was

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25 years old. I was healthy. I said, OK, you

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know, at that time, I made the choice. And I

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look back now on the experience and I realize

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I had a choice at that experience, you know,

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at that moment. Like, I could have stayed there

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and I could have passed out and I could have

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let them do what they did to me. after I was

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passed out. But I think making the choice beforehand

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to take the next right step, which was a scary

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step, but to let somebody who had the experience,

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who knew more what was going on to my own body,

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and I did, to let them kind of step in and do

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what they needed to do and take control and help

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me, and I needed help. Wow, pretty terrifying.

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Did the NDE happen right then or was there more

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before you got into that? It was pretty quick

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after that. Go ahead, tell me what happened next.

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They got me into the ambulance and my heart rate

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was going so fast and it wasn't sending that

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electrical beat out and so my body and trying

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to preserve itself was taking all of the blood

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from my limbs and bringing it to the most essential

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part of your bodies, your organs, make sure that

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they're okay, they're healthy, they're not dying.

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And so because of that, they were having a really,

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really hard time finding an IV for me, really,

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really struggling. But they finally got one in.

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The paramedic looked at me and he says, we're

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gonna give you a shot. And he says, it's thick.

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So I have to push it fast. Like I have to push

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it really quick. He says, and it's gonna hurt.

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I remember like this was literally, I didn't

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really even have a chance to say no. I didn't

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have a choice. This was not really something

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I was able to say no to. I just remember thinking,

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I don't want you to do this. He says, I'm going

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to count to three. That's what he did. He counted

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to three and he said one, two, three, and he

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pushed that shot. It was intense. It was like

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lightning, like I had been kicked in the chest

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by a horse. And it was wild. But when he pushed

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the shot, everything went black. I lost consciousness.

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My spirit flew from my body. I mean, it was this

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exhilaration. When I've tried to write this experience

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and what happened to me out later on, I think

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the first time I wrote it out, I wrote we, like

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W -H -E -E -E, we. It was just this freeing,

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very liberating, but it was beautiful, just exhilarating,

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I think is the word. I love that. So it wasn't

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a horrible, strenuous, you know, death, rip you

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out of your body kind of thing. It was a celebration

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and a We, as you put it, we... I love it. Tell

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us what you experienced. Anything you can remember,

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you saw, you heard, you felt. Give us all the

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detail. I remember this feeling of exhilaration,

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just flying through the darkness. And for a while,

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like it was cool, it was freeing, it was fun.

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And then... I realized somewhere deep inside

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of me that the situation, it was dark, it was

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pitch black. Not only that, but I was alone.

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All of a sudden, I was afraid and honestly full

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of regret. Was this it? Was that life? Was that

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it? I remember. It took me a little while to

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reflect back on this. I see now, it's kind of

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funny. When I was growing up, my mom had this

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picture and I looked at his name. His name was

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John Scott. He had this picture and it's called

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The Last Judgment. And when I was a little girl,

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I remember looking at that picture and I remember

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looking at all the faces and trying to find my

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face. in that picture. And in this picture, there's

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a picture of Christ in the center, and then you've

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got angels, and then you've got kind of this

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little darker area. It was kind of hard when

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I realized that this is something I experienced.

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It was a little hard to reconcile with my conscious

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mind that I felt like I was in a type and sort

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of prison. I know that sounds a little scary.

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It wasn't though like the hell and brimstone

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type of prison or hell afterlife type sort of

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situation that I had ever heard about. This place

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where I was, it was dark and there were mists

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of darkness everywhere. And I remember that there

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was a light and it was coming from somewhere,

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but I didn't know where. And I remember at that

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moment, it was almost like I could see myself.

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And I remember I was sitting somewhere with my

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my hands in my head and I remember just the feelings

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I had were that of regret and that of loss and

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that of a lack of progression, like a loss of

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this lack of progression. It was profound and

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it was deep, deeper than anything I can ever

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remember feeling. I just remember going over

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some of my life's experiences at the time. I

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had struggled with an eating disorder. I'm in

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recovery from that. My husband and I, we were

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not able to have children. That was hard for

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me. One of the harder things that I was dealing

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with at the time. Also, I was dying. My body

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was dying. I was mourning the fact of my own

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death. I was mourning. the fact that I was dying.

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And I remember at that moment, it was so sweet,

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so tender and a little hard to talk about, and

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this might be a little too sacred. But I hope

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that in sharing this that I'm able to share some

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hope. I really feel I had an opportunity to see

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the Savior, to meet the Savior, Jesus Christ.

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I think that, you know, I feel like I had the

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opportunity as I'm mourning. I remember feeling

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a presence. And I remember just, you know, I

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don't know, it's that feeling when someone enters

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the room and you've got your eyes closed, but

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you kind of sort of know that they're still there.

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That's kind of what it felt like. I felt like

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he was watching me. He came over to me and I

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felt he knelt in front of me and he just listened.

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And I bore my soul. I cried and I sobbed and

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I regretted. And I remember hearing him speak

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just two words. I'll never forget him for the

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rest of my life. He said, I know. I know. And

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it was at that moment that my spirit was filled

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with such love that I was in good company and

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that I was not alone and that there was hope.

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There was hope. It's funny. I'll bring this up

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now because I feel like I need to. I really truly

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believe that the only reason why I was able to

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come back is because I did meet with the Savior.

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I think that, you know, in all of the stories

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that I've ever heard and that I know, He's the

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only one who came back, right? So He would know

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how to help me come back. I think that's what

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happened. I think that's one of the things that

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happened. That and there's opposition to all

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things. And in this process, I think that the

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adversary was there. And I think he was absolutely

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trying to convince me that I didn't need to live,

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that nobody needed me. I was not necessarily

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important, but the Spirit confirmed to me that

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my life was very, very valuable. My experience

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was valuable. and that I do matter to others,

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and that I do make a difference. Going back to

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that place, that prison, and that experience

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with the Savior, after I had borne my soul to

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Him, I felt like He gave me these two words,

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I know. And then we talked a little more, like

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I shared with Him some of my regrets, some of

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my sins, some of the things that I had done wrong,

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and that I maybe needed His help with. to restore

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me, to heal me from. You know, he would explain

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to me how he would help me with those things,

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but it always came down to, you know, I would

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always say, but, but it was type, this type of,

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but I've got this, but I've got this, but I've

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got this. And he would like, he would explain

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what needed to be explained to me, but he would

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always kind of sort of end out with, I know,

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like I know. I get it. I know. When I got to

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the point where I was like, okay, this is okay.

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Like, I'm going to be okay. I was still dying.

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And so I had to move through this process. But

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the next place that I went, this is the part

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for me I've had a hard time reflecting back on.

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But I hope after sharing my experience here,

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after listening to some of the experiences on

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your podcast and on your YouTube videos, I'm

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going to be brave. I'm going to be brave and

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I'm going to go back and I'm going to reflect

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on this part. I know that I was brought to a

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beautiful place beyond description, full of love,

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where I believe I met up with my sister. My sister

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accidentally drowned in our family swimming pool

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when she was three. I was only three months old

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when she passed away, but I always felt the spiritual

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connection. My mom always said, you know, that

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my sister was always looking out for me. My sister

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was always kind of our guardian angel watching

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out for our family. And I always felt that. And

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so I feel I had the opportunity to meet her.

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I feel like I had an opportunity to meet my grandma,

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Lynn, who was my great -grandmother. She was

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blind. She raised six kids. She was a widow during

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the Depression. I mean, she was really a great

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woman. And so I feel like I had the opportunity

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to rub elbows with her for a second. And I really

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feel like, you know, that was a special experience

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and opportunity. As great as it was and as lovely

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as it was, my body again, my body was still dying.

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I had to make this decision, this choice to stay

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or to go. It was kind of sort of around this

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time. It all happened really, really quick when

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he push that shot, my spirit just flew out and

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it was we, it was exhilaration. But coming back,

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it was kind of quick too. Once I figured out,

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okay, so when he gave me the shot, it dropped

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my heart rate. So it had dropped my heart rate

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over 100 beats per minute in less than a second.

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And it had knocked the wind out of me. And so

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I needed to in order to breathe in order to come

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back again. I had to breathe again. This is the

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part that I'm like, I'm sure the savior was there

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to help me kind of transition through this and

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help me kind of sort of figure out what I needed

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to do. I knew I needed CPR. You know, when my

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sister passed away, when she drowned, my parents

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made sure that's one of the things we were taught.

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We knew. We knew how to do CPR properly so that

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if ever we were in that situation, we'd be able

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to. to handle it better than she felt that, you

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know, she had not been able to help save her

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daughter. So I knew I had to breathe. I knew

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I had to get my heart to beat again. And I knew

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I needed the circulation, but I couldn't do that

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without breathing. And I couldn't do that without

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a heartbeat. I remember when everything went

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black. I remember eventually, I remember I heard

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a beep. When you're at the hospital, you hear

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the beep or like the register at the scanner

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at the grocery store, that beep. It was kind

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of like that. I realized it was their machine

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going off. I remember hearing a voice that said,

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we're losing her. And then I remember thinking

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to myself, are they talking about me? Like, they're

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losing me. I was laughing so hard because I'm

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like, oh, guys, you haven't lost me. I'm gone.

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I am not even here. How can you say you're losing

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me? Like, I'm not even here. I'm gone. Then I

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remember hearing a voice that said, Kimberly.

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stay with us. And I knew in order to do that,

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I had to breathe again if I was going to stay

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alive. So I took that first breath of air by

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the, you know, miracle. It was a miracle. The

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way I describe it and can describe it is I remember

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the first time I was swinging on my family swing

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set and I fell off backwards and I knocked the

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wind out of myself. And taking that first breath

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of air kind of felt a little like that. Okay,

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I've got 30 ,000 questions to throw at you. This

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is amazing. Thank you again for sharing. And

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in case I didn't mention it earlier, you are

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sharing for the first time in a public forum

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like this. I appreciate your bravery and your

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trusting us to put it out there. And so if anything

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that I ask feels uncomfortable to you, please,

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you don't need to answer. But let's start with

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whose voice do you think that was? that said,

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Kimberly, stay with us. Was that the paramedics

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or somebody else? My first thought was it was

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probably heaven. It was probably heaven, a little

00:22:02.890 --> 00:22:05.250
piece of heaven. I think it was probably the

00:22:05.250 --> 00:22:07.769
paramedic, too. It was really strange, though,

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because at the time, it sounds kind of funny

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now, I actually, most people called me Kim. I've

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tried to go back and I've tried to remember like

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when the paramedics, that's one of the questions

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they usually first ask you when they get on the

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scene, what's your name? And at the time I was

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going by Kim. And so it was really, really strange

00:22:28.579 --> 00:22:31.480
to hear Kimberley. And that's one of the reasons

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why I kind of think it was, I think it was heaven.

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Tell me how literal some of this was. Was it

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more, I don't know, kind of... kind of something

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that you felt or that you actually saw and experienced

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deeply with? You mentioned meeting your sister

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and your great grandmother. It is as real as

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the conversation that we're having right now,

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Eric. Oh, so it was virtual. I get it. I'm kidding.

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Well, to be honest with you, I've actually had

00:23:04.299 --> 00:23:06.519
kind of sort of that type of sort of thought.

00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:10.789
So when COVID happened, One of the things that

00:23:10.789 --> 00:23:14.089
was the hardest for me is not touching people.

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And I really feel like in the pre -existence

00:23:17.890 --> 00:23:20.109
before I ended up with my body, that's probably

00:23:20.109 --> 00:23:23.029
one of the things I wanted to do most was put

00:23:23.029 --> 00:23:25.690
my arms around somebody and experience what a

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touch felt like. For me, it was kind of eye -opening

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that we would ever be put into a situation again.

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where we wouldn't be able to touch each other.

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I think it's awful, right? It's been rough. Virtual

00:23:40.460 --> 00:23:43.579
is great because you can't always get in person,

00:23:43.900 --> 00:23:46.000
but technology, yeah, it's great when it works,

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but when it doesn't, it's a hassle. Next time

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I'm in Vegas, I'm dropping by for a hug for a

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second, and then I'll be gone. Tell me a little

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bit if you... can, a little bit more about the

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meeting with Jesus. Was that something also where

00:24:01.450 --> 00:24:04.630
you felt like you saw Him face to face or just

00:24:04.630 --> 00:24:08.329
felt His presence there? It was Him. I think

00:24:08.329 --> 00:24:13.529
He was probably the only one who could make me

00:24:13.529 --> 00:24:18.190
feel the way I felt. Okay, so I think it's different

00:24:18.190 --> 00:24:22.160
because I didn't have my physical eyes on me

00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:24.980
at the time, right? So how could I really see

00:24:24.980 --> 00:24:28.740
him physically without those physical eyes? It

00:24:28.740 --> 00:24:34.240
was as real, like I feel like I saw him as real

00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:37.480
as seeing you on screen today. So it was a little

00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:40.539
different because I didn't have my physical eyes.

00:24:40.740 --> 00:24:43.799
So I can't really, I don't feel comfortable saying

00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:50.890
that I saw him, but I saw him. I saw America.

00:24:51.210 --> 00:24:54.190
I saw him. You experienced him, definitely. What

00:24:54.190 --> 00:24:58.069
do you make of the darkness and the mist and

00:24:58.069 --> 00:25:00.789
the regret and stuff that you felt at first?

00:25:00.849 --> 00:25:03.309
Why do you think that happened? It's interesting

00:25:03.309 --> 00:25:07.710
because I actually, and I've, like I said, I

00:25:07.710 --> 00:25:11.069
never shared really on a public platform before.

00:25:11.250 --> 00:25:14.029
And it might sound a little funny and it sounds

00:25:14.029 --> 00:25:17.150
really weird saying it. I was comfortable there.

00:25:17.309 --> 00:25:20.529
Eric. I was comfortable there. I was comfortable

00:25:20.529 --> 00:25:23.730
in prison, which is weird for me to say because

00:25:23.730 --> 00:25:26.029
I've never been in prison. It's not something

00:25:26.029 --> 00:25:32.430
I've ever wanted to do. But in this place, I

00:25:32.430 --> 00:25:35.349
felt comfortable. And looking back and talking

00:25:35.349 --> 00:25:38.910
with you now, I think maybe in part it has to

00:25:38.910 --> 00:25:43.750
do with we need a place where we can lay it all

00:25:43.750 --> 00:25:48.049
down. We need a place where we can let it go,

00:25:48.390 --> 00:25:55.250
where individually we can let it go. And when

00:25:55.250 --> 00:26:00.109
we are able to then let it go and move on and

00:26:00.109 --> 00:26:04.029
move forward and progress, our world opens up.

00:26:04.190 --> 00:26:09.349
It becomes beautiful and hope and possibilities

00:26:09.349 --> 00:26:13.769
open up. Ask the question again, Eric. No, I

00:26:13.769 --> 00:26:17.769
was asking about the darkness and the mist and

00:26:17.769 --> 00:26:20.490
just why do you think you were in that kind of

00:26:20.490 --> 00:26:24.589
a place that felt scary versus feeling that all

00:26:24.589 --> 00:26:27.769
-encompassing love that came later? I was watching

00:26:27.769 --> 00:26:30.950
one of your other YouTube and you asked a good

00:26:30.950 --> 00:26:33.210
question, and I think this relates. I think this

00:26:33.210 --> 00:26:36.910
will tie in. You asked, are you afraid of death?

00:26:37.650 --> 00:26:40.150
And I've got to be honest, if I were to answer

00:26:40.150 --> 00:26:43.359
that question, I would say I used to be afraid

00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:47.180
of death before this experience. Right now, what

00:26:47.180 --> 00:26:50.059
I'm afraid of is regrets. Like, I'm more afraid

00:26:50.059 --> 00:26:52.759
of the regrets that I'll have to bring back.

00:26:53.019 --> 00:26:55.480
But even then, I'm not even really afraid of

00:26:55.480 --> 00:27:00.059
that because I know that I can lay it down and

00:27:00.059 --> 00:27:02.579
I can give it away, I can give it back, and I

00:27:02.579 --> 00:27:04.500
don't have to carry it alone. I'm not alone.

00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:06.480
No, that's good. We're going to come back to

00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:09.099
a little bit of this in a minute. I'm curious

00:27:09.099 --> 00:27:11.759
just if you could wrap up physically what happened

00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:15.480
to you. Did you need surgery? How did you get

00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:18.740
fixed from this, your broken heart? I came to,

00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:21.339
they gave me the shot. I took that first breath

00:27:21.339 --> 00:27:23.940
of air. When I took that first breath of air,

00:27:24.299 --> 00:27:26.640
what had happened, my heart rate had gone from

00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:31.599
140 beats per minute to 126 and it felt good.

00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:36.869
I think that I was having kind of an after effect.

00:27:37.170 --> 00:27:39.569
That's the only word I can come up with. Maybe

00:27:39.569 --> 00:27:41.829
you can help me come up with a better word. But

00:27:41.829 --> 00:27:44.450
as soon as I took that first breath, I opened

00:27:44.450 --> 00:27:51.009
my eyes. I was staring into this paled face paramedic.

00:27:51.589 --> 00:27:58.809
And I laughed. I laughed so hard. And he was

00:27:58.809 --> 00:28:02.640
just... He was in shock. He looked at me and

00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:06.339
he said, we've never ever had that kind of a

00:28:06.339 --> 00:28:09.359
reaction to this kind of medicine before. And

00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:12.680
I took another breath and I laughed again. And

00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:17.460
I said, can I have another shot? He shook his

00:28:17.460 --> 00:28:21.940
head at me. And he said, no, honey, another shot

00:28:21.940 --> 00:28:26.000
would kill you. So they took me to the hospital.

00:28:26.180 --> 00:28:30.130
My heart rate As soon as it got under 100, the

00:28:30.130 --> 00:28:32.470
doctor said, check in with your family doctor

00:28:32.470 --> 00:28:37.109
and sent me home. I slept for four days. The

00:28:37.109 --> 00:28:40.390
doctor said I had run the equivalent of a marathon

00:28:40.390 --> 00:28:43.470
without actually running the marathon. It took

00:28:43.470 --> 00:28:46.849
me four days to get that shower, Eric, four days,

00:28:46.990 --> 00:28:49.369
four days to get that shower because I was so

00:28:49.369 --> 00:28:52.170
tired. But as soon as I got that into the shower

00:28:52.170 --> 00:28:54.369
and that water hit my body for the first time

00:28:54.369 --> 00:28:57.450
in four days, Literally, Eric, I'm not joking

00:28:57.450 --> 00:29:00.910
to you, best shower of my life to this day. I

00:29:00.910 --> 00:29:04.269
was as close to heaven as I had been in four

00:29:04.269 --> 00:29:09.170
days. It was heaven. Did you say that your heart

00:29:09.170 --> 00:29:15.450
rate with the shot went from 240 to 126? Over

00:29:15.450 --> 00:29:18.369
100 beats per minute, it dropped in less than

00:29:18.369 --> 00:29:21.470
a second. After all of this, and you get home

00:29:21.470 --> 00:29:24.880
and you're feeling better, Who did you tell about

00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:27.900
this experience that you had? Not the physical

00:29:27.900 --> 00:29:31.440
part, the spiritual part. My mommy, of course.

00:29:32.180 --> 00:29:36.019
Of course, my mom. Mom always understands. I

00:29:36.019 --> 00:29:40.359
think she, as my mother, understandably so, she

00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:42.799
was really concerned. She was really worried.

00:29:42.900 --> 00:29:46.299
She was like, what happened? Kind of funny side

00:29:46.299 --> 00:29:51.480
story. My brother that same day, he got, my parents,

00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:54.650
I guess, had called him. He's an artist. And

00:29:54.650 --> 00:29:57.609
so he was working with a razor blade on a sculpture.

00:29:58.750 --> 00:30:01.190
And my sister came, my sister -in -law's wife

00:30:01.190 --> 00:30:03.829
came in and she said, Kim's in the hospital.

00:30:04.009 --> 00:30:07.390
It's her heart. And he's like, what? And he forgot

00:30:07.390 --> 00:30:10.630
what he was doing. He cut his wrist like huge,

00:30:10.670 --> 00:30:12.930
huge inches ended up in the hospital. Same day

00:30:12.930 --> 00:30:15.210
I did with stitches. He's got this huge scar.

00:30:15.269 --> 00:30:18.230
He didn't tell me about it till like seven. years

00:30:18.230 --> 00:30:21.250
later. He didn't tell me about it, stinker. Well,

00:30:21.309 --> 00:30:23.890
it was your fault, so he was being nice, right?

00:30:24.210 --> 00:30:26.569
The people that you told about the experience,

00:30:26.609 --> 00:30:30.049
did they believe you? Yes, because I'm just not

00:30:30.049 --> 00:30:34.789
one for telling stories that are in this context.

00:30:35.009 --> 00:30:39.529
I'm not a storyteller. Yeah, I believe you. How

00:30:39.529 --> 00:30:43.910
did it change your life? I think I took a lot

00:30:43.910 --> 00:30:47.660
of things for granted. before this experience,

00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:51.900
even after this experience, even today, I'm telling

00:30:51.900 --> 00:30:56.599
you, it's terrible because I'm sure anybody who

00:30:56.599 --> 00:30:58.660
is probably even listening to this story saying,

00:30:58.859 --> 00:31:01.079
well, you know, how can you have had these experiences

00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:04.460
and still make mistakes, right? Like, I mean,

00:31:04.539 --> 00:31:07.299
how is that possible? But it's possible. I'm

00:31:07.299 --> 00:31:11.079
human. I'm imperfect. I will continue to be imperfect.

00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:15.640
I will continue to make mistakes. But I think

00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:21.339
that for me, the experience, man, I thought I

00:31:21.339 --> 00:31:24.799
had it rough. It wasn't two years later. I ended

00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:27.720
up, and this might be another story for another

00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:31.759
time, Eric, ended up paralyzed and wheelchair

00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:35.000
bed bound for seven years afterwards. I ended

00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:39.480
up getting divorced from my husband of 15 years,

00:31:39.819 --> 00:31:41.759
the one we weren't able to have any children

00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:44.559
with, ended up getting divorced a couple years

00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:46.619
after that. It was a couple years after that,

00:31:46.779 --> 00:31:49.519
my parents ended up passing away in January and

00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:53.519
February. So I lost my parents in less than 30

00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:57.400
days of each other. And so I think having this

00:31:57.400 --> 00:32:02.400
NDE for me was a tender mercy. It prepared me

00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:05.880
for harder things in this life that I would have

00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:09.940
to then make choices about. Hopefully, again,

00:32:10.140 --> 00:32:13.559
like I said, not so afraid of death, but of regrets,

00:32:13.819 --> 00:32:16.339
like making good choices and making sure that

00:32:16.339 --> 00:32:19.299
I don't have any regrets. And if I do have regrets,

00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:22.519
fixing them as quickly as possible and not holding

00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:25.660
on to them, moving forward. But, I mean, have

00:32:25.660 --> 00:32:28.160
also experienced this really, really great thing

00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:30.420
we talked about before. I just got married. Like,

00:32:30.420 --> 00:32:33.700
I'm a mom now. Like, I've got kids. This is great.

00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:38.019
So, my whole life is a blessing. I look at every

00:32:38.019 --> 00:32:40.240
step that I take is a blessing, every heartbeat,

00:32:40.380 --> 00:32:42.160
every breath. Eric, and I'm just so grateful

00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:44.380
for the opportunity to share that. The last thing

00:32:44.380 --> 00:32:47.279
that I want to talk about, and now I am going

00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:49.539
kind of back to what I said I was going to, and

00:32:49.539 --> 00:32:54.599
that is your experience with Jesus. You went

00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:58.180
right from all these regrets and all this darkness

00:32:58.180 --> 00:33:01.940
and everything to being with Him and feeling

00:33:01.940 --> 00:33:04.720
the love. And I forget your exact words, but

00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:06.940
can you just delve into that a little bit deeper?

00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:11.220
It's a peace that passes all understanding. Because

00:33:11.220 --> 00:33:17.319
I was in turmoil. I was conflicted. I was full

00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:23.059
of regret and I was dying. And I suppose, I guess

00:33:23.059 --> 00:33:26.420
now the thought that comes to me is it's the

00:33:26.420 --> 00:33:31.180
difference between life and death. That love,

00:33:31.539 --> 00:33:35.339
that's what makes the difference. He said, I

00:33:35.339 --> 00:33:38.980
know, to you a couple of times. Was that a very

00:33:38.980 --> 00:33:41.119
simple thing or was there more meaning to it?

00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:43.980
There was more meaning to it. So I mean, I can

00:33:43.980 --> 00:33:47.200
give an example. I have struggled with an eating

00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:51.930
disorder and a part of that eating disorder had

00:33:51.930 --> 00:33:56.690
to do with some abuse and being a survivor of

00:33:56.690 --> 00:34:02.190
this abuse. And so in order to take this to the

00:34:02.190 --> 00:34:06.910
Savior and lay it at His feet and to experience

00:34:06.910 --> 00:34:11.650
that love, and it wasn't just for me, right?

00:34:11.710 --> 00:34:17.650
It's for this individual who was abusive. I have

00:34:17.650 --> 00:34:23.929
to forgive, and myself. And I know that that's,

00:34:23.969 --> 00:34:26.449
again, no regrets. I've got to let it go. Got

00:34:26.449 --> 00:34:28.929
to move forward. Because I've been able to do

00:34:28.929 --> 00:34:32.849
that, I am now in recovery. Like, I'm doing great.

00:34:32.969 --> 00:34:36.789
I'm doing so much better. Again, it's life changing.

00:34:37.050 --> 00:34:39.869
When you can forgive yourself, it's one thing.

00:34:40.170 --> 00:34:44.329
But when you can forgive somebody else, that's

00:34:44.329 --> 00:34:46.980
really life changing. I want to get just a little

00:34:46.980 --> 00:34:51.260
bit deeper into the I know that he said, because

00:34:51.260 --> 00:34:53.460
it can mean so many different things in this

00:34:53.460 --> 00:34:56.119
life. It can be a very flippant, oh, yeah, I

00:34:56.119 --> 00:34:58.300
know that, you know, kind of thing. But I have

00:34:58.300 --> 00:35:00.699
a feeling he was saying it meaning something

00:35:00.699 --> 00:35:03.380
much deeper. What do you think that was? Well,

00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:06.380
thinking about it right now, I think it meant

00:35:06.380 --> 00:35:11.159
that he's been there. He's been betrayed. He's

00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:17.500
been abused. He's been rejected, and that all

00:35:17.500 --> 00:35:20.840
of those feelings, whenever I feel them, I don't

00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:25.880
have to ever feel alone. That He knows what I'm

00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:29.880
feeling. He knows what I'm going through. And

00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:34.659
I just, I hold onto those two words. I'll never

00:35:34.659 --> 00:35:37.579
forget them, Eric. It's beautiful. All right.

00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:40.579
Very last before I let you go. You mentioned

00:35:40.579 --> 00:35:43.760
the word hope a while back. Wrap that up in a

00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:46.139
bow for us. Leave everybody with some hope today.

00:35:46.780 --> 00:35:51.840
Oh, wow. That's not a big ask. Just look outside,

00:35:52.099 --> 00:35:57.119
right? The gratitude we can have for the air

00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:01.199
that we breathe and for the sunshine that we

00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:04.980
have. And for the rain or the water that we have

00:36:04.980 --> 00:36:08.139
for this beautiful earth, it's gratitude gives

00:36:08.139 --> 00:36:10.679
me hope. I think you talk about gratitude. I've

00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:13.639
heard you talk about gratitude. That's important.

00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:17.119
I think that that can give me hope. And it's

00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:19.619
really, honestly, if you just open your eyes,

00:36:19.699 --> 00:36:23.599
look up, it's in the people around you. It's

00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:26.559
in the connections that you make with others.

00:36:26.980 --> 00:36:32.670
That gives me hope for Yeah, for life and, you

00:36:32.670 --> 00:36:35.650
know, life after death, it's not the end. We

00:36:35.650 --> 00:36:39.289
continue. We continue to progress, and I'm looking

00:36:39.289 --> 00:36:41.650
forward to the journey. I'll embrace the struggle

00:36:41.650 --> 00:36:45.750
here, and I have hope. I have lots of hope, and

00:36:45.750 --> 00:36:49.150
I hope everybody else does, too. And if you don't

00:36:49.150 --> 00:36:53.610
have hope, hold on, because it's out there, and

00:36:53.610 --> 00:36:56.130
look for it, because it is out there. Don't give

00:36:56.130 --> 00:36:58.940
up. Have hope. Thank you, Kimberly. That was

00:36:58.940 --> 00:37:03.840
beautifully said. Appreciate it. Thanks again

00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:06.380
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