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From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.
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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.
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And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my
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physical body because I was somewhere else.
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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
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anything else to be felt.
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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.
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I'm back home again.
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Incredibly safe and felt at home.
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Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody.
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And I'd like to welcome our special guest today, Lena Zafari.
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Zafari.
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How close am I?
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Very close.
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Almost perfect.
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Zafari.
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Okay, with a Z, Zafari.
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I like that.
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All right, hey, you know, we are going to jump right into your near-death experience in
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just a second.
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Okay.
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First, I have a couple of questions.
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I would love our listeners to get to know you a little bit.
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Can you take just one minute and tell us who Lena is?
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Do you want to know who Lena is today?
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Sure.
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And if your background has something to do with that, you can tell us a little bit about
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your background as well.
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Well, I'm very much, I consider myself very much the same person I've always been in a
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weirdest way, but just not much outside of my life has changed, but a lot of my inside
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has changed, meaning I'm pretty much a regular person.
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I am a mother of three young children.
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I am, you know, surrounded by family and friends.
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I live in Las Vegas, Nevada.
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I am into healing and wellness.
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I have a nonprofit that I'm passionate about, that I dedicate a lot of my time into, and
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that has to do with actually what we're going to be talking about, which is near-death experiences.
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So I am, you know, I'm busy doing everything everybody else is doing, so I'm just a normal
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person.
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Good.
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I don't know if that really answers your question, but I don't know how else to look
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at myself because there's so many different layers, you know?
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I know, and I didn't give you an hour to explain yourself.
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And so you had to just stick with one layer.
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I first heard about you the other day because you were doing a presentation for an IONS
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group.
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And I just loved the title of it, which was, NDEs happen whether you understand them or
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not.
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Yeah.
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And I'm going to add to that, whether you believe them or not, or believe in them or
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not, what does that mean?
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That they happen whether you know them or believe them or not?
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Yeah.
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The fact that NDEs happen whether you understand them or not, what does that mean?
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It's exactly that.
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It's something that happens to a certain percentage of people or for whatever reason,
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whether we know about it or not, it just happens.
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Life happens and we are put into certain situations or circumstances.
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And then we have an experience that completely changes everything about us and what we look
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at life.
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And it has after effects and things happen.
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So whether you understand it or not, you're still going to be put into the washer and
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the cycle.
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You're still going to go through what people go through having an experience like that.
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And people that have had an experience often don't even understand it themselves.
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And it can take years to figure it out and to realize, wow, did this really happen?
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And what did it really mean?
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And why did it happen to me?
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And all these other questions seem to come up.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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And that is literally the title of my webinar talk that I did the other night for IYENS
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is like, it was so fitting, meaning literally I am a living example of that sentence.
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I mean, NDE's happened, whether you know about them or not, or whether you believe them or
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not.
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I knew nothing of them.
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I had no belief one way or another way to have, you know, to make a decision.
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And I walked around, well, it turns out I had an NDE at birth.
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So I've been living the after effects of an NDE all my life without knowing it or realizing
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it.
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And then when it happened the second time, I still didn't know about it.
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And all of what I was going through all my life just got bumped up and were amplified
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and I still didn't know.
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And then, you know, eventually, you know, when the change is drastic enough or big enough,
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or I guess in my case, since I wasn't getting the hints from the universe, I kind of got
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slapped around a few times until I woke up and I realized, okay, hold on, something happened,
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what happened?
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I know what happened, something happened, but what does it mean?
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So I figured it out and then I realized what happened to me, which was an NDE.
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So yeah, whether you believe it or know about it, it happens.
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But we end up figuring it out because there's such a big impact it has on us.
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Do you ever run into some of the skeptics that say, oh, it's just a chemical reaction
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that happens when your heart stops or something else, this chemical reaction in your brain?
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First of all, have you ever wondered, is that maybe just what happened to me?
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And what do you have to say to those people?
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Well, the answer to the question, have I met those people?
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Absolutely.
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Well, what I say to it is, is I know without words or without anything, the realness of
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what occurred.
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It's like, if somebody asks me tomorrow, did you really sit down with Eric Bennett and
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have a conversation?
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Did it happen?
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Yes, it happened.
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You know, there's no, let me see.
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I wonder, you know, it happened.
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That experience happened just like this is happening.
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Exactly.
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And then there are people who don't, who listen, who don't believe and who literally
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say those things.
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And I can understand now, their perspective.
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You can't see above something that you haven't seen.
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So naturally, that is, you know, what you go to.
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So I don't blame them for saying that.
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But yeah, people do say that in it, on my end, it hurts.
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Sure.
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Yeah, they're just not believing you.
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Yeah, because it's not just a matter of, well, I wonder how, but they're like, no, you're
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crazy.
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That couldn't have happened.
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You're just, you're just, you just don't know.
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It was the medic, it was the reaction of the medication or you're hallucinating or whatever,
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they get out of the story that they just heard.
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So it's kind of, you know, judgmental.
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Let's go back 10 years, okay, when you did have this experience and wow, it sounded like
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physically you were in a very unpleasant place.
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Tell us what was going on.
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What do you mean I was in a physically bad place because, well, you were very sick.
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It's so funny.
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It's, yes, I was, I was very sick.
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I was very ill.
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I was in the hospital, but I really don't have conscious memory of anything other than
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what, where my focus and attention was and what I wanted, which was to get out and go
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home and the actual near death experience that happened.
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It's like that memory surpasses, supersedes anything else that could have happened.
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So I don't have much, too much memory of being in a bad, uncomfortable state.
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But you were very sick.
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Would you mind telling us what was going on?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So I was very healthy, strong person, no medication, no illnesses, nothing, just healthy and vibrant
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as can be.
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You know, I had two kids.
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I had a 18 month old nursing child and I've almost a five year old child.
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So I was a healthy individual.
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I was on vacation.
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I caught a cold, my cold felt different than normal colds and I was having a hard time
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breathing.
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It was taking a breath hurt.
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It was almost like I couldn't take a breath.
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I call it now intuition or whatever you want to call it a voice.
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I had the sense that I needed to go to the hospital and get checked out.
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So it just ended up being 10 days in the hospital and the cold turned into the H1.
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And one virus, which is pretty much very much like COVID, it attacked the respiratory.
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Now I was in the hospital for nine, those nine days, so I don't have memory of conversations
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or anything.
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I was in ICU for five of those days knocked out.
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So I can tell you about what was told to me that was wrong with me and some of the things
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that happened while I was there.
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But as far as my own memory, the only memory I have of my time in the hospital was realizing
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I was in the hospital and then begging and demanding and asking to go home.
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Like I'm fine.
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Let's me go home.
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My kids are writing.
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I'm fine.
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Like I was just pleading.
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That's all I remember.
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And then I don't remember anything else and I don't know if that's all that's the only
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memory I have.
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Except for your near death experience.
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And that is like, yeah, that is full.
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Yes.
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Do you have any idea what point in the hospital that that happened to you?
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And tell it, go ahead and jump in.
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Tell us what happened.
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What do you remember of it?
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Well, I do remember being in the hospital, in the regular hospital room.
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And then I do also remember waking up many times in the ICU room.
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I was in a fairly light white room ICU, small room.
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I must have woken up many times or was aware or awake or conscious enough to memorize this
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room.
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But apparently after the fifth day of being in the ICU, the news that my father and my
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then husband received at the moment was that they needed to prepare for, you know, for
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my departure, basically, you know, that I was not responding to anything.
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And I was unable to breathe on my own because both of my lungs had shut down at that point.
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And there was nothing they could do for me because they're both gone.
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No lungs.
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So I was in that kind of a state physically.
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But when the near death happened, at that moment, it was literally like all of a sudden,
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like, you know, like a scene in the movie, we were just, I just woke up.
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I just got up.
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I got up and I sat up and just like I'm looking at you, I woke up and I looked, I looked around
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and I realized it was in the ICU room.
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I knew where I was.
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And then as I'm looking around, I looked to my right and I noticed that I'm sitting,
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I'm in the ICU room and I'm sitting at the edge of the bed that I was late that, you
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know, I'm sitting at the edge of the bed, the hospital bed.
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So as I look to my right, I see that my physical body is still laying there, propped up, but
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laying there.
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But there's no kind of like, oh no, what's wrong.
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It was just like, oh, there's my body.
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It was very much like, I'm here.
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That's just my clothes.
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It's like, that's my body.
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That was the, that was a depth of connection or anything that was just that.
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At this point, I'm looking and I'm very much aware of, you know, where I'm at and I'm
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seeing my body.
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And then all of a sudden I hear, like, as if it's coming in front of me, I'm aware of
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just this light in the room.
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But there's also this voice.
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There's this voice that speaks and the voice is, it's kind, but it's stern and but it's
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maternal.
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It's a, it's a woman voice very much kind of like the way I'm speaking.
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And the voice talks to me kind of like, Lena, you need to go back.
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The kids are waiting for you.
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You need to go back, but you need to make the decision.
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Like you need to decide.
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I don't quite get that.
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You're being told what you need to do.
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Oh, but you get to make the decision.
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Do you feel like you really had a decision?
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I wasn't thinking at that point.
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I'm literally in observing as I'm looking at my body.
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You have to understand what this happens.
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It's like, it's almost like looking at the picture, right?
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You can look at a picture.
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You can decide to look at your at the mountain peak and describe the mountain or to the rough,
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the bottom where the ocean is and describe the ocean or the animals that's there, wherever
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you put your eye in that image, you can kind of, you know, tell a story from the picture.
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Well, the NDE is very much like that.
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I could tell you how it started in the flow of it, but at the same time, everything happens
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almost like at the same time.
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So as I, as I wake up and I realize and I'm looking at my body, I'm also having a full
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awareness of where I'm at, but I'm also looking down at myself and I look down at my own body
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where I'm at.
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I am completely clear, kind of like a glass or a clear bottle with, you know, glass bottle.
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I'm literally like glass and I can see the shape of my legs, my thighs.
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My hands and I can see right through them.
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They're clear.
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And I'm just like, okay, so I had this awareness that I was clear.
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That's when kind of like, I'm also looking and listening to this voice talk to me saying,
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Lena, you need to go back and, you know, it's your decision.
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So as, as I'm listening to that, I'm also still like looking around and observing my
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environment and as I'm looking to, to the left of me, I noticed that I see my children.
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I see my son and I see my daughter at the age they were, they were at the time, which
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was, you know, like five year old son and my daughter was like 18 months old.
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So little and they were both just kind of like sitting there or in that, like right
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there in that space.
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And something happened.
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The moment I saw them, it was almost like, you know, the light in the room just got brighter.
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Everything in, you know, like lighter and more fresher and more like, I felt this.
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It's almost like the sun coming out, but it's already out, but it's coming out more.
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It's this feeling of love and the way that I can describe that feeling here on earth is
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for me as a mother, I spent my whole life thinking I couldn't have kids.
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So when I did have children, when I did become a mother, I was very much of a, like a mom
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who was holding a miracle every time.
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Like every time I got to nurse my son and or my daughter, I, for me, I would have like
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oxytocin release and I would just be, I would feel euphoria.
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And I even asked my doctor or other moms and people about it and they're like, yeah, well,
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this oxytocin release, you know, that's the bonding molecules when you're nursing.
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But for me, it was very, very amplified, but in my near death experience, it was that
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even more amplified.
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That's a good explanation that I have not heard before.
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And I've heard all kinds of explanations because I tell people, explain that love that you
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felt.
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Yeah.
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And men can't really relate to this one, but.
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I don't think I've really ever fully described it with those two things together like that.
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But this is really, really how I felt.
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I'm just like, I get such intense love that it's just, I get tears, I get oxytocin release,
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I can taste it.
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It's a physical reaction.
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And I thought that was normal to everybody.
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I don't know.
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Well, I, how do I put this?
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The physical reaction is an interesting way of explaining an emotion here.
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It's very unusual.
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All right, keep going.
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Okay.
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So back to my NDE, right?
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Like.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Tell me what else happened.
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I'm showing my children and I'm just like, ah, you know, like I'm in, I'm happy and I feel
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love and joy and all of what people talk about.
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I'm like that.
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And then I also have this awareness that now, even though I'm in the room, it's like almost
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like the white walls in the room on the side have disappeared and I'm out in space and I
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can see in the darkness, but in the darkness I can see.
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It's not like dark that I can't see what's in there.
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I can see what's in the darkness.
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And what I see in the darkness is people sitting like rows and rows of people sitting and they're
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all facing me and they're all looking at me.
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And then I have, I want to call it an understanding or a knowing or an awareness that these are
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the people that are still here on earth, the people, their family and friends.
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That's interesting.
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So, so you're out of your body, but what you're seeing is people that are here, not people
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that are passed on already.
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No, I never saw or spoke to any entity, spirit, nothing throughout any of my experiences.
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But in my MDE, I saw people in my life here.
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But it's interesting because I could see their silhouette, I could see their, their shadow,
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but I couldn't see them like the way I'm looking at you, you're wearing a blue shirt
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and I can see your face.
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I could see your shadow, but I couldn't see you like I could see the entire shadow of
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you looking.
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So, as I'm looking at these, each person that I look at as I, as I look like I'm looking
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at you right now, as I look at each individual person, that individual person rises and then
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it comes closer, right?
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And as they come closer, I'm looking at them as I'm looking at them that they turn into
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kind of like the flame of a candle.
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So if you were to hold up a candle and just look at the flame, everybody that I would
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look at, they would just kind of rise up and come close so I can almost see, but except
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I couldn't see them, all I saw was the light that they emitted.
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So I did that to several different people.
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Now, I didn't know who they were because I was trying to look at, see who they were,
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but every person I looked at would rise up and be light.
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I don't, I couldn't hear their prayers, but I knew they were praying for me.
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So I don't know what they were praying or what they were saying, but I could feel, feel
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them and I could feel their prayers for me.
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And that again, caused this like, it's almost like this expansion of my heart.
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Like I was like, you know, like happy, like, oh, you guys were praying for me, you know,
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I had that a moment.
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So.
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I think this was sort of a reflection of real people here on earth that actually were praying
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for you at that time and you were sort of seeing what was going on with them.
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Oh, absolutely.
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Yeah.
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What do you make of the fact that they turned into a flame that could be interpreted as something
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negative or something positive?
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That's very interesting that you say that because up until now, I never thought of it
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being looked at in any way negative.
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I always saw it as positive because for me in my mind, what I see is the love which and
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gratitude with, with which I look at ignites the light within.
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That's what it means to me.
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To me, it means that, you know, the eye that was looking through was not just Lena, because
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Lena was laying in the bed also, but I was also me, but it was also the clear me, the
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spirit me.
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So it's almost like that's me.
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When that me looked in gratitude, right, and looked with love for people who are praying
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for me, you know, and that turned them into light.
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So light is God, light is frequent.
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Yeah, that's super positive.
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That's a good explanation.
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Thank you.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Anything else?
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The interesting thing is that's where everything just almost kind of like disconnects the lights
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went out.
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So it's almost like somebody just turned off the TV and the movie ended.
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Boom.
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Everything just stopped.
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And at that moment, I was back in my body.
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And it's funny because just the other day when I was doing my talk for Irons and I was
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asked and I was, this was a part that was asked really, it was, how did I come back into my
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body?
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I have no clue how I came back into my body.
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I have no memory of it.
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In fact, I don't even remember waking up in my body.
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I didn't even know that I was, there was no memory of it.
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And that's very normal.
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Some people are that way, but some people do remember how they came into their body.
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And that's okay that you don't.
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You know, mine is very interesting.
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It turns out is because I get that you can forget and I don't remember and I don't remember.
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But the thing is, is that what I find interesting in this, which I still haven't really figured
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out is I came back into my body and I physically woke up in the hospital.
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Like I must have at some point opened my eyes.
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At some point I must have moved my physical body.
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At some point I must have sat up.
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At some point I had a conversation, right?
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I don't remember any of those.
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So fast forward to about two years ago, maybe a year and a half ago, for the first time
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I actually asked my then husband, hey, what do you remember from the time I was in the
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hospital?
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What happened to me?
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What's your take on it?
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And of course, he sends me pictures.
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And one of the pictures he sends me is a picture of me sitting in the hospital bed and I'm
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eating a burger, a big burger and I have a drink, rice and I'm literally just chomping
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away and I'm eating.
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And this happened hours after I woke up from the ICU with two expired lungs.
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And I have no memory of it.
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But there's a picture of me.
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There's a picture of me sitting and eating a burger, time and date stamp that happened,
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but I have no memory of it.
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So it's strange that I never, it took me another 45 years, I think, four years, 2014, almost
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2019.
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It took me another four or five years to realize that, oh, I had a near death experience that's
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called an NDE and this is, that's what it was.
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Now, back to the interview.
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You had mentioned to me also that about three years after this, you had some other kind of
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experience.
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You want to explain that quickly?
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Yeah.
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I had what they call a spiritually transformative experience and basically it's exactly what
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that is.
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It's you have a spiritual experience that is so transformative that it just knocks your
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socks off.
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It was just an experience.
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The way I described the experience was a continuation of my near-death experience.
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How so?
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Did you see some of the same things?
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Did you feel like you were out of your body?
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What do you mean?
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My spiritually transformative experience, yes, I was out of body and I actually experienced
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a lot of the near-death experiences, like in my near-death experience, I did not see or
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go through a tunnel.
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I did not have a life review.
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I did not have ancestors or any entities, whether it was spiritual healers or masters
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or anybody.
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None of them visited me or interacted with me or communicated with me.
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There was no humanly conversation with anything other than me in divine, energy, light.
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It was all done without words.
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What kinds of things were communicated?
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What did you learn?
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One of the things that was communicated with me was the micro and macro of the universe,
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meaning everything in life has a micro and macro.
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Everything can be divided down to a single atom.
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Everything can be brought back to the same microness or the smallness of an atom.
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And from one atom can grow a pine tree or a full human.
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It's kind of like the micro and macro of everything, the life cycle of everything.
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I was shown the micro and macro of everything almost kind of like a movie screen in front
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of me, where I saw the presence of Earth in front of me.
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And in that space, kind of like a movie screen, I was shown a tree, a full like, at the time
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I had no language for this, because at the time of these experiences, not only did I
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not know that I did what an NDE was or near death experience or spiritually transformative
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experience, I didn't even have the basics.
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Like I never heard of the word meditation.
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This was in 2017.
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There was a lot of people meditating.
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What was just invented the year before?
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So it's okay.
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I know.
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I don't know.
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I've never heard of the word chakras.
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I'd never heard of the word spiritual this or that.
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I came from a very religious Islamic point of view.
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I had that was my viewpoint in life, not any other or spirituality or anything.
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But I was always very spiritual because I never connected with religion.
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I always knew there was something outside of religion.
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And I could always see that religion, even as a child in my mind, my religion always
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seemed like something in front of me almost kind of like a box with sites and walls and
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corners and inside of it parameters.
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And I always saw myself as lines.
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And I always wanted to move the lines or question the lines.
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And that was my view.
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So when I had these experiences and these downloads and these visions in this spiritually
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transformative experience, it was kind of like a child sitting in college and listening
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to things.
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I had no idea, but I could see everything.
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I could hear everything, but everything was being shown to me.
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A lot of learning happening.
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Yeah.
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Well, let me go back a little bit further.
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During your NDE, you mentioned this voice and you said that it sounded female.
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Tell me who you think that was.
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I don't know.
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Sometimes I think it's also, sometimes I think it's in my own maternal voice, you know, because
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I also have that sternness and need.
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I've learned to be able to be nice and be like, listen, this is what needs to be done.
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Let's go.
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I have a little bit of that in me too.
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Back then, I didn't really express it as much.
477
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:59,280
It was more of a people pleaser and it was like, okay, you know, whereas now that part
478
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,480
of me, I'm recognizing that.
479
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,720
So I don't know who that was.
480
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,240
I don't know.
481
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:06,240
Okay.
482
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,800
You keep thinking about that and report back to me later.
483
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,840
I'll call you when I figure it out.
484
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,000
I think you're going to have some ideas down the road at some point.
485
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,560
I think so.
486
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:17,920
All right.
487
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,640
How long was it after you had your NDE before you talked about it to people?
488
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,840
I tried to talk to people right away.
489
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,160
How did that go?
490
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:28,160
Not good.
491
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,480
So did you kind of stuff it away for a while?
492
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:32,480
Yeah.
493
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:42,840
You know, to be honest with you, the NDE, the NDE didn't do change me as much.
494
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:49,640
It just amplified who I was so I consciously couldn't see the difference in me.
495
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:58,240
But three years later, when I had the spiritually transformative experience, that experience really
496
00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,960
shook me.
497
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:07,520
It really, it was almost kind of like, I see a lot of things in cartoonish images in my
498
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:08,520
mind.
499
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:09,520
It's so weird.
500
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,320
It's like you're picking me up and going, wake up.
501
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,600
You know, like even though all this was happening to me, I didn't know.
502
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,400
I didn't know what I didn't know, so I couldn't put words to it.
503
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:29,040
So the spiritually transformative experience caused enough of a vibrational jolt in me
504
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,040
that made me start asking some real questions.
505
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,960
And then when did you start talking about all of it?
506
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,080
We are when 2024.
507
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,080
Yeah.
508
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:51,840
So in the past, I want to say, in the past two years is really when my experiences have
509
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:58,360
been mentally processed by myself in little pieces to where as they make sense, I'm like,
510
00:32:58,360 --> 00:32:59,520
ah, that's what that meant.
511
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,800
Okay, this is how it's showing up in my life.
512
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,080
Oh, that's what it meant.
513
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,520
That's what I was showing.
514
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,360
And I'm starting to connect it.
515
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,920
So it's been in the past couple of years that the more I talk about it, the more of those
516
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,400
kind of connections happen.
517
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:18,200
So I've been talking about it, but really, I've just kind of started talking about it
518
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,720
in this past year.
519
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:27,960
So someone that's had some kind of experience, NDESTE, whatever, how helpful is it, do you
520
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,920
think for them to talk about whether it's just with a loved one, they don't have to
521
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,280
do it publicly in this kind of a forum.
522
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:41,520
I have talked to a lot of people that have just told me it's so helpful and therapeutic
523
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:42,920
to be able to talk about it.
524
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,000
Have you found the same thing?
525
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:55,880
So the way from my personal experience, the moment that I discovered that what happened
526
00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:01,480
to me has happened to others and that what happened to me was had a terminology that
527
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,360
I can look up and read.
528
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:09,960
And then I started to see the moment I realized that I was not the only one because I thought
529
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:10,960
I was the only one.
530
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,560
And I was like, oh my God, how do I talk about this?
531
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,080
It's last for me.
532
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:22,920
The things that I saw, the things that I felt, the things that I went through was mind blowing.
533
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,040
I could not speak those things.
534
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:30,400
It took me so much time to understand and comprehend and have the courage to say, okay,
535
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,120
I'm going to have a dialogue about it.
536
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,960
But it's when I found out that I wasn't the only one that gave me permission to really
537
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,240
say, okay, I'm not the only one.
538
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:41,240
So let's see what it is.
539
00:34:41,240 --> 00:34:42,240
It took the fear out.
540
00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:44,760
It took that away.
541
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:52,040
And then just meeting other people who understand the validity of it and who can, even though
542
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:57,960
they have different experiences, but who can hold space and listen to me, it is so incredibly
543
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:58,960
healing.
544
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,440
It's like being able to breathe.
545
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,160
This being heard is so healing.
546
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:11,720
Not just for me, but for the person listening, but you can't force somebody to listen.
547
00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:14,480
So the advice could be connect with an IONS group.
548
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,240
It's a good place to start.
549
00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:18,240
Absolutely.
550
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:24,040
Honestly, it was when I discovered IONS that through IONS, I discovered all the wonderful
551
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:29,640
people and through all these wonderful people, I discovered all the other wonderful resources.
552
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,800
So it's kind of like a door.
553
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,720
You open a door to more, to more.
554
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:37,720
Okay.
555
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:41,440
So this has been a very profound thing in your life.
556
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,480
Tell me, give me some ideas of ways this has changed you.
557
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:46,480
Wow.
558
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,640
It's changed me so much.
559
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:56,080
Even though I feel like I'm still the same person, there's just so many more layers to
560
00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:08,000
me I have because I see all my senses as I take in a lot and I'm able to process a lot.
561
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:15,920
And there is this inner strength in me that I cannot describe.
562
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,600
There's this inner peace in me.
563
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,960
There's this inner joy that's in me that's always there.
564
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,840
There's this love for life.
565
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:30,160
I've always had it, but now it's more like, I don't know how to describe it if it's more,
566
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,920
but I've just been able to be more authentic.
567
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,440
I learned more about me before I didn't know who I was.
568
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:44,880
I was very much trying to figure out how to be the perfect person for everybody else.
569
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:50,200
And I would please one person and piss another person in the process, misunderstand who I
570
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,200
was.
571
00:36:51,200 --> 00:37:00,080
I didn't really know, but since then, I have a lot of respect and value for everything,
572
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,080
including myself.
573
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,000
And I always add myself to the mix.
574
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,960
I have gotten to know myself.
575
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,560
When you come back so changed that you affect so many people around you and at the beginning,
576
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,440
I affected many people in a negative way.
577
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:21,440
I had a lot of relationships that went sour.
578
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:28,840
Those kind of things really make you take a deeper look inside.
579
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:34,440
And when you do, you really have to look at all your flaws and all the good and all the
580
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:42,680
bad and decide how you want to see them or feel about them and evaluate all the emotions
581
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:52,320
and really you fix your inner stuff and your inner self inside on another level.
582
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,800
And I've spent years doing that.
583
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,120
And in the process, just to get to know myself or understand what happened to me, why I was
584
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,720
the way I was.
585
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:03,320
So yeah, there's been a lot of inner growth.
586
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:08,480
And in that kind of a process, people often have their relationships either get a lot
587
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,440
better or a lot worse.
588
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,880
The divorce rate with experiencers is really high.
589
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,160
Like 70 some percent.
590
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,960
I have never heard a specific percent.
591
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,760
I thought I heard somewhere around there, but I could be wrong too.
592
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,760
And that would be within how many years?
593
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,240
You know, five years or something.
594
00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:28,600
I don't know.
595
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:34,040
But I just know I've had a lot of people on the show that had a wonderful experience
596
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,960
and then were divorced within two years after.
597
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:37,960
Yeah.
598
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:38,960
So.
599
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:39,960
Yeah.
600
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,840
So I got divorced.
601
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:52,480
My marriage, my marriage ended pretty fast within a year spiritually in that sense.
602
00:38:52,480 --> 00:39:01,200
But it took me probably a total of six years to go through the whole process of getting
603
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:02,200
divorced.
604
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:03,200
No.
605
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,200
Okay.
606
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,600
Well, thank you for sharing.
607
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:11,040
I want to get back to one other thing and then we'll wrap up here pretty quick.
608
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:18,080
This love that you felt during your NDE, which you expressed very well.
609
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,240
And I think it was more than just oxytocin, by the way.
610
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:25,200
I think that I think that was a good metaphor that you were using, though.
611
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,520
But my question is, where do you think that came from?
612
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:36,520
I, you know, it's funny because like I said, when I was in my NDE, I was outside
613
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:41,640
my body, the space that I was in, it was light and luminescent.
614
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,040
And I was clear.
615
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,360
I was part of it.
616
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:45,360
I was in it.
617
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:50,760
So it was, there was no, there was no start or end or beginning.
618
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,640
There was no, it didn't come and it didn't appear.
619
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,080
It was just there, like the light in the room.
620
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:58,080
Right.
621
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,440
But you said you felt this intense love, right?
622
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:01,440
Yeah.
623
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,880
It's almost like if you were to, you know how some lights have dimswitch so you can
624
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:10,080
take the light in your room and you can admit and then you can also light it.
625
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:15,760
So it was a light that just got switched up and it became more light.
626
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:16,760
Yeah.
627
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:21,320
So I'm asking a really difficult question that maybe you haven't thought about before.
628
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,880
Where do you think the feeling of love came from?
629
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,400
Do you believe in a God that provided that?
630
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:29,720
Do you think it was from you?
631
00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:31,840
Do you think it was from this female voice?
632
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,640
Where did it come from?
633
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:39,160
That came from inside me, but I don't know where my inside was because I was clear, but
634
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:40,600
it came from me.
635
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:41,600
Okay.
636
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,120
So it wasn't from any kind of outside presence?
637
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:46,120
No.
638
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,960
That you were feeling?
639
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:52,160
It ignited from within here, out.
640
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:53,400
It came from here.
641
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,640
Like when I saw it was almost like the light came out.
642
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,560
The feeling and emotion came out of me.
643
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:04,960
Like I was the center and it exuded out of me into space.
644
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,440
Why would that happen all of a sudden?
645
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:12,680
That doesn't happen every day that all this love just pours out of you like that.
646
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,800
No, actually it does.
647
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,960
Eric, it does.
648
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:17,960
That's awesome.
649
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,840
You know, I have to say something here.
650
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:25,320
I've pondered about this a lot.
651
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:32,680
From my near-death experience, I was one of those people that could tap into love in such
652
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:40,520
a way that it was indescribable.
653
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:48,800
When I described the physical like tears and oxytocin release where I could feel the chemical
654
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:54,840
feeling right inside my nose here, I could taste it.
655
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,720
I never knew what it was.
656
00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:58,360
I even Googled it.
657
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:03,360
I asked my doctors and the closest thing that I've heard was that's oxytocin release.
658
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,880
And apparently that's what it is.
659
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:11,120
But for me, I was feeling that way before.
660
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:17,400
I told you when I started my life late, my first child, I didn't have my first child
661
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,200
until I was 31.
662
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,480
So I was not a young mother.
663
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,720
I was what's considered a mature mother.
664
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:26,240
That's not that old.
665
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:28,680
Well, yeah, now I know that.
666
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:33,880
But at the time, you know, I spent my entire youth thinking at 30.
667
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,400
You know, at 30, we think we're old.
668
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,360
But at the time, I thought I spent my entire life thinking I couldn't have kids.
669
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:44,520
So when I had it, when I had them, I was like blessed with a miracle baby, right?
670
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:53,080
So I was tapping into oxytocin release love molecules three, four, five times a day.
671
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,760
Every time I would nurse, I would just speak.
672
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,600
It was almost like I would have to take a breath.
673
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,160
I don't know where that came from.
674
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,680
But I thought that was normal.
675
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:08,600
Most people can't describe the feeling of love as well as you can.
676
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:09,600
I love love.
677
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:10,600
Yeah.
678
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:16,320
I'm very familiar with how love feels, tastes, looks, sounds, smells, all of it, all my senses.
679
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:17,320
Awesome.
680
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,200
They're tuned to love.
681
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:26,600
You mentioned to me the other day the idea of high vibration or high frequency.
682
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,360
Would you expound on that a little bit?
683
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:29,360
What does that mean?
684
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:30,860
How does it apply here?
685
00:43:30,860 --> 00:43:36,760
We were talking about what's considered high frequency and low or high frequency and energy,
686
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:37,760
right?
687
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:38,760
Yes.
688
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,440
Or as far as how it affects us humans on a human level.
689
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,240
Well, and what is it?
690
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:45,560
Where does it come from?
691
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,600
Is that is that placed on emotions?
692
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,360
Is that placed on anger?
693
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:51,960
Where does it come from?
694
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:52,960
Okay.
695
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:58,880
Now we're talking about my favorite topic and my favorite subject, which is one of the
696
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,480
after things that I got into.
697
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:02,480
Yeah.
698
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,800
So now we're getting into the good stuff, my favorite part.
699
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:10,600
We know that everything is a frequency vibration down to an atom.
700
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,800
Everything to the molecule is frequency.
701
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:22,400
Everything has its own distinct frequency to the point to where every object, everything,
702
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:27,560
everything, everything is a frequency individual individually.
703
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:34,480
So when it comes to us humans, we are a bag of biochemicals, right?
704
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:40,640
We are ingredients which have specific frequency.
705
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,360
What a great way to put it.
706
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:43,360
Yeah.
707
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,720
So, a bag of biochemicals.
708
00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:46,720
Yeah.
709
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:50,720
So everything about us has a frequency.
710
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:53,920
Your every thought has a frequency.
711
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,840
Every emotion has a frequency.
712
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:04,000
And every thought and every emotion, whether together or separate has a byproduct of another
713
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,440
frequency.
714
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:13,000
So when the frequency of the mind thoughts and the frequency of emotions are matched,
715
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:18,600
what you get is the creation of the frequency of that which is usually positive.
716
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,800
Now even same thing with negative.
717
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:25,400
If you have negative thoughts and negative emotions, when they meet together, you get
718
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,200
the byproduct of that frequency which is a negative experience.
719
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,640
So it's all frequency, matched the frequency and that's what we get.
720
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:40,560
So when we were talking about frequency, right, what it is and how it affects us.
721
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:41,560
Yes.
722
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:48,560
So you are an accumulation of every thought and every emotion you have ever held.
723
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:53,880
I am the accumulation of every thought and emotion and experience I've ever had.
724
00:45:53,880 --> 00:46:02,560
Now based on that is what we become, how we are, right?
725
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,680
Healthy person versus an unhealthy person.
726
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:11,360
The difference is it's the thoughts and the emotions that created the experience.
727
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,680
Well and can't we choose some of that though?
728
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Instead of me just being this bag of biomass of everything that's happened to me, can't
729
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:28,360
I choose to let some things go and those negative things, whatever they were, you know, whether
730
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:34,960
it's somebody yelling at me or something or hurting me in some way, can't I just let those
731
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go and stick with the positive ones?
732
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:39,720
Absolutely.
733
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We have free will.
734
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We are born with free will.
735
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We are light and love.
736
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We come here for an experience.
737
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:57,080
We come to learn how to think and feel to emanate love and light and that's all this whole experience
738
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:02,160
in my opinion of life is, is to just do that.
739
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,400
So absolutely you can choose.
740
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:05,400
Yeah.
741
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,200
We can definitely choose.
742
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:14,240
And for me, that part about my near-death experience, the voice, the only conversation
743
00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:19,840
that I had, which was that I needed to make the decision.
744
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:31,280
I think that was also a, like a message for me here in the world here for me that everything
745
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:35,400
in life here for me is a matter of my decision.
746
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,400
Like I have to decide.
747
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:43,040
Like, so that means that what is true for me is also true for you and true for others
748
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,000
because I am, we are all one.
749
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:51,800
You know, there's a lot more to my other experience that we didn't get to my spiritually
750
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,760
transformative experience.
751
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,680
Next episode, how about that?
752
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,640
I show up.
753
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:58,640
Next interview.
754
00:47:58,640 --> 00:47:59,640
Yeah.
755
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,120
But it, essentially, what was I trying to say?
756
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:04,840
Yeah, we get a choice.
757
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,840
It's our choice.
758
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,080
Being here is a choice.
759
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,560
How we live is a choice.
760
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,640
One last question just popped in my mind.
761
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,680
A few minutes ago, you used the term blasphemy.
762
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,200
I don't know if you realized it.
763
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:26,200
Now is that because what happened to you through these experiences or what you learned somehow
764
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:30,480
contradicted the religious background you grew up with?
765
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:31,480
Yep.
766
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:32,480
Yep.
767
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:33,480
Yep.
768
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:34,720
Yes, to all of those.
769
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:35,720
Yeah.
770
00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:37,640
I don't need to explain if you don't want to.
771
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:38,640
That's okay.
772
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,920
Sorry, I know you said don't give me a yes, but that's a yes.
773
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,360
There was a lot of explanation behind it.
774
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,800
Yes, but the answer is yes.
775
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,960
How much fear of death do you have at this point?
776
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:52,960
Zero.
777
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,800
On a scale of one to a thousand?
778
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:56,800
Uh-huh.
779
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,320
Is it still zero?
780
00:48:58,320 --> 00:48:59,320
Yeah.
781
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:00,320
Okay.
782
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:06,840
Lastly, why don't you leave our listeners with something just very upbeat and positive
783
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,520
that they have to look forward to today?
784
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,920
That they truly are light.
785
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,040
They come from light.
786
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:21,080
They are light that they are love and that they get to make decisions every day and that
787
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:30,080
they can choose different thoughts, different emotions and that life is created by our intent
788
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:39,760
and our intention, our intention, awareness and focus and it's just a matter of this moment
789
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:47,360
choosing something that brings a sense of love, peace or calm.
790
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:54,360
You can't fix or heal the world or everything all at once, but moment by moment, little
791
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:59,720
choice by little choice, small steps, you start to move in the direction and all we
792
00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:06,280
have to do is face the direction of love and light and healing and we get sucked right
793
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:07,280
into it.
794
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,280
So yeah, life is a gift.
795
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:15,320
We can choose to look at it in many different perspectives, but yeah, at the end of the
796
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:16,720
day, life is a gift.
797
00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:17,720
All right.
798
00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:23,160
If anybody wants to reach out to you, we'll put a link in the show notes and Lena, thanks
799
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,360
so much for being on with me today.
800
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:26,360
Absolutely.
801
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:36,120
Thank you for inviting me and having me and giving me an opportunity to share the sound
802
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:42,600
and frequency of the experience that I had and then I hope that whoever needs to and
803
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:48,240
wants to resonate with that and finds some sort of connection that that's why I do what
804
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:49,240
I do.
805
00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:52,040
So thank you.
806
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,840
Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast.
807
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808
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If you want to share your near death experience or if you have questions or comments about
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