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From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.
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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.
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And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my
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physical body because I was somewhere else.
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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
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anything else to be felt.
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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.
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On back home again.
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Incredibly safe and felt at home.
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Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death this morning everybody and welcome to our special guest,
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Lisa.
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Good morning, Lisa.
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Good morning.
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Thank you for having me.
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You are so welcome and I know you're a little bit nervous this morning because you have
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not shared this publicly before, but just picture people in about a hundred countries
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out there listening to you and some watching you on YouTube and they're all smiling and
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they're all wishing you well and love is coming your way so that you can relax and be able
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to share with us.
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So thanks for being here.
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Before we jump into it, would you mind telling us a little bit about you?
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I am a mom of five, a grandma of three.
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I enjoy working with my hands and we can process of starting my own business, hopefully.
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That's exciting.
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Yeah.
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I like doing lapidary.
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Okay, I'm going to pretend I know what that is, but you better fill in the blanks for
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me.
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Okay, working with stone.
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I carve stone, I make all kinds of things out of stone.
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Well, that's interesting.
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Okay.
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With old fashioned tools or with lasers and stuff?
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Oh, I don't use lasers.
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Lasers make everything look too perfect.
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I personally like the handmade look because it's all individual.
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There's no two that are the same and I can go with the pattern or grain of the stone
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rather than have it all just come out looking the same.
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That is awesome.
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I'd love to see some of your creative work, but in the meantime, you have a really interesting
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near death experience that we're going to be talking about today.
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Remind me, when did this happen?
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This happened in April of 2013.
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Tell me what was going on.
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What led up to this experience?
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Okay, so it was April of 2013 and my stepson and I had decided that we wanted to do something
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special for my husband who is just a great guy and does a whole lot for us and we wanted
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something to do to show our gratitude for him and we were going to go and get him a
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new recliner.
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But he had the pickup truck that we needed to take it home, go pick it up.
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But my stepson had a sports car.
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I think it was an Acura or something.
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So we were going to go switch vehicles with him and we were sitting in a red light.
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We were hit from behind.
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We were hit from behind at 70 miles an hour while we were just doing nothing.
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We were just sitting there.
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What happened is that a driver, it was a big SUV and my son's car was a lot lower than
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the SUV was.
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The SUV went up and over the top and crushed the passenger side where I was.
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That's when my near-death experience started.
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I went from sitting in a car looking over at the parking lot where my husband worked,
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trying to find his truck to suddenly being in what I've been told is the void.
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And that was surprising.
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I imagine it was.
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Did you even have any idea that that truck was coming or was it just all of a sudden
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lights out?
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No.
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It was just all of a sudden lights out.
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If I would have passed at that moment, I would have died without feeling any pain at
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all.
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Yeah.
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Okay, before we jump into the void and what else happened to you, give us an idea just
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so we know how bad this was.
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You said the passenger side was crushed, what kinds of injuries did you sustain?
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I had a broken back right at the base of my neck, so it affected my back and neck at T2.
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I also had brain injuries.
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Some of the pauses that I have when I talk are because of the brain injury that I had.
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All right.
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Well then let's jump right into it.
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So you mentioned something about a void.
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Did you have any experience feeling like you left your body or you just sort of blink and
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woke up and hear you were in this void?
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And if so, tell me what it was like.
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Okay.
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For me, I don't remember anything that was in between me being in the car and being in
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the void.
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Just suddenly there I was.
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And that is a very calming, peaceful place.
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It's surprising to me.
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At one point in my life, I worked emergency dispatch.
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And it was surprising to me when I worked emergency dispatch that so many adults were afraid of
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the dark.
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And this was not a place like that.
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This is not a place to fear.
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This is a very, oh yeah, it's dark, but it's very peaceful.
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Did you feel like you were traveling somewhere or you were just at a standstill in a dark
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place?
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I felt like I was in a standstill in a dark place.
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I wish I could remember something before that, but I just don't.
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Oh, that's okay.
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And you mentioned the word peaceful.
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What else are you feeling at this point?
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Calm, healing.
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I think I was just kind of enjoying it for a minute.
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That may not make sense to some of the people listening, but it's just so calm and peaceful.
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You just kind of soak it in and enjoy it.
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It's healing.
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What happened next?
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I started thinking about why I had been put there or how I got there, and I was kind of
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a little concerned about my stepson, wondering what was going on with him.
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As I was thinking about my stepson, I started traveling out of the void and I went to him.
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He's the one that was driving the car?
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Yes.
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Okay, was he hurt as well?
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Yes, but not as bad.
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When I saw him, I was of course still outside of my body looking at the situation.
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And I saw him just sobbing uncontrollably, and he was trapped in his seatbelt in the
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car.
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And he was just sobbing and he was looking over at me and he was saying, I'm so sorry,
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I'm so sorry, mom.
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I didn't mean to do this.
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I honestly don't understand how, sorry, I'm getting a little emotional here.
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My eyes are getting a little wisty, but it's just kind of an emotional thing.
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Seeing your child that you raised, he's my stepson, but I raised him.
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Then it was, it's emotional thinking about him being that upset.
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Anyway, I don't know how I was able to do this, but first we're gifted this.
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I'll use that because I don't know any other way to put it.
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I was gifted the opportunity to go back in my body long enough to look in his eyes, hold
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his arm and say, it's okay, this was not your fault.
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And then just suddenly boom, I'm out again.
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Wow.
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That must have brought him a lot of peace.
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I hope so.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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What happened to you next?
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Okay, from there, I was kind of teleported a distance away.
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It was, I would say maybe a football field away.
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So I was aware of what was going on behind me, but there were, there was a group of people
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who were there that I saw.
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And I've explained this part to other people as being similar to the feeling of walking
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into a room full of people and your eyes kind of look around.
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Now, keep in mind, I was still outside, but I was looking around at all the people and
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it was the feeling of trying to find the first person who I recognized and felt comfortable
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with.
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I'm sure that that's relatable.
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And so in this case, it was my brother who had passed a few years before.
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So I went over to him and I asked him about the group of people, about who they were.
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And he basically said family.
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And then there was another person who came and got me and took me for my life review.
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Okay.
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I'm not trying to be like, you know, lawyer putting all the exact timeline together here,
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but I just want to make sure I'm clear.
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So were you, had you left the void when you went, you said about a football field away,
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saw your brother, saw other people?
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I was out of the void.
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So it was not in a dark place anymore.
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Do you remember seeing anything else there?
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Just the vibrant colors.
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I saw vibrant colors everywhere.
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It looked like I was just about a football field away from the car, from the accident.
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And everything looked more vibrant, more clear.
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I was still on the planet, I guess.
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I don't know how to word it.
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We're still right here.
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And somebody took you for a life review, any idea who that person was or angel or...
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I have really focused in on it, trying to figure out who that was and I really don't.
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This was a man who I felt really comfortable with.
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I felt like I should know him, but I didn't know who he was.
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Some people have tried to get me to say that that exact person was Jesus, it wasn't.
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This was somebody else.
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I believe I would have known if it was Jesus and this was not Jesus.
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Okay, well let's talk about the life review.
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These fascinate me.
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Tell me about yours.
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Well I was taken to a place in a forest, in the trees.
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And for me, I think that makes sense.
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I very much feel comfortable in the woods, in the forest.
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I grew up in the woods.
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When the life review began, it was like spread over a length of trees.
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And I knew that the trees were there, but I saw my life.
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Like on a screen or just...
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Yeah.
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It was just there, like a screen.
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For me it was kind of like a screen.
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Was it chronological or maybe this event and then that event and then that event?
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It was chronological.
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Okay, do you want to tell us about some of it?
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Well what I will say is that when I had my life review, it was chronological and I saw
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my life not only my experience with the thing, but also I was able to feel and see what my
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action had on other people.
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So if I could give an example from when I was three, when I was three, I saw myself throw
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sand at my brother.
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It's the one who had already passed and it landed in his eyes and I saw the pain that
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he had.
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I felt the pain that he had.
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I felt him, the anger towards me and he in panic ran to my mom and I felt so terrible
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after having seen that and felt what he went through.
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I had even forgotten about it to be honest, but this is something that I felt him and
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how what my action, something just silly like a three-year-old throwing sand.
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Yeah, give us another one.
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Something else was when I was in junior high, you know how junior high kids can be kind
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of not so nice.
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I saw myself thinking that I was being funny with a friend of mine and I tripped her in
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the hall thinking that it was funny because kids are kind of, a lot of kids just don't
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have their head screwed on straight yet and they think that things are a way that they're
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not and I saw my friends anger and humiliation and I felt it and I felt so bad.
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I wish that I could find her now, I don't even know how I would even begin and tell
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her I'm sorry.
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A lot of people that have life reviews when they're explaining them to me, they bring
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up negative things that happen like that.
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Did you also see positive things that you had done and how they affected other people?
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Yes, I think that just a comment about how people tend to focus on the bad things because
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that's what affects us the most.
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We feel ashamed and so we think about that and we're always trying to maybe remember
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that and do better.
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Yeah, well that's part of the learning process.
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It is.
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And I believe these NDEs are for us to learn and grow.
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I would agree with you 100% and that's why I'm here today is because I'm really hoping
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to help somebody.
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So tell me one of the positive ones.
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Let's see, helping my sister's children learn things, helping with their homework.
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Yeah, she's a lot older than I am and I would go and help her watch her kids while she went
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to work sometimes and I would just hang out there with them and we'd have a lot of fun
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and I'd help them with their homework and I even went to a parent teacher conference
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for my sister.
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I saw the effect of that.
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So what happened after the life review or was there a culmination to it of some sort?
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After the life review, I was not feeling real good about some of my choices for obvious
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reasons and I turned and looked at the person who was with me.
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I didn't have words.
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Well first let me just say that in the, that you don't really speak with words like I'm
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talking to you.
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You speak more telepathically.
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It's more of a pure language.
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There's no room for misunderstanding.
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There's the emotion here on immortality, you just can't seem to quite find the words.
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But there it's pure communication and the feeling that I had was just a mixture.
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It was embarrassment and sadness and yet happiness it was over in a way and also happiness
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Now back to our guest.
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I wanted to stay.
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I told this person that I wanted to stay.
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He said, you've got to go back.
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I said, but it feels so good here.
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I don't want to go.
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I really love the feeling here.
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I don't want to go back.
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He said, you have to.
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I said, why?
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That's a legitimate question.
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It really is.
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I wanted to know why I had to go back.
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He said, you still have things to do.
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I felt like I felt inside like a two year old throwing a fit.
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I was like, no, I don't want to go.
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And he put his arm around me and he said, there are so many people out there who don't
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know that this is real.
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And he said, there are so many people who don't understand even the most basic feeling
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of love.
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And he said, you need to go back and help as many people as you can to be able to feel
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love, even if it's a smile, even if it's something small, you need to go back.
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I couldn't argue with that.
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I mean, how do you argue something like that when this person tells you that you need to
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go back for that?
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Because I did know what love was and I knew the feeling there.
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So that's why I came back is to try to help as many people as I could.
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What was the light coming back?
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Were you just all of a sudden woke up in your body or was there anything else between this
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time?
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I was put back into my body and I remember feeling, well, it was very fast movement and
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then I was back.
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And I felt a whole lot of pain and confusion and heaviness.
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I felt the heaviness of my body.
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Things are a lot lighter over there.
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And so that's what I experienced exactly when I came back.
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And did the pain start settling in?
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Oh, yeah.
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It was intense pain everywhere.
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Must have been very, very unpleasant.
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I'd like to hear a little bit about your physical recovery, but first, is there anything else
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with your experience that you feel comfortable sharing?
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I don't know who that man was.
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Some people have tried to tell me that that was a spirit guide.
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I don't know.
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I did introduce himself and I didn't ask, I just felt comfortable with him.
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Did you and your brother talk about anything else?
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No, I really wish I would have had more time with him.
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We were very happy to see each other, but it was very fast.
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I wonder who some of those other people were at that place.
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You said you felt like they were relatives.
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He told me they were relatives.
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Okay.
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That would be fun if you could find pictures of great grandpa Fred and go, oh yeah, I remember
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seeing that guy or something, but it sounds like it happened too fast.
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It did.
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I did focus in on one or two of them, but I haven't been able to find any pictures that
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match them, maybe because of the ages.
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There's nobody old there.
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It's all, everybody's younger.
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Well, yeah.
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And great grandpa Fred, we tend to have pictures of when he was 80 or 90 years old.
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Exactly.
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It would be hard to recognize him anyway.
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So I get it.
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That is really cool.
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All right.
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What was your recovery like?
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That sounds like rough injuries.
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I had to have a C-collar on.
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C-collar just goes around the neck and keeps everything from moving.
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It's hard plastic.
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I was told that I should not lay down flat, so I was sleeping in a recliner for about
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six months.
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And I had a brain injury.
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It's left me with a little bit of speech problems.
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You're doing great, by the way.
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Don't worry about that.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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I have no idea how much prayer I did before.
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What did this?
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Well, then you're being very blessed because your speech sounds fine today.
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Thank you very much, your kind.
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But I had to go to a neuropsychologist.
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I didn't even know what that was before this.
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But she helped me to be able to get a lot of my speech so that it was more fluid, a lot
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better.
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She helped me be able to know how to get things done, really.
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She taught me about lists.
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She says that a lot of people with brain injuries, they will look at, for example, a sink full
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of dirty dishes, and they'll think, huh, those dirty dishes need to be done.
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But something inside of the person with the brain injury can't quite put it together
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in their mind how to do all the dishes, even though they've done it a thousand times before
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or more.
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So if you stop when you're feeling overwhelmed like that and make a list, then that will
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help with that.
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That's kind of what a neuropsychologist does, is help you figure out how to do things again.
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Sounds like I have a brain injury.
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I do that.
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You don't do dishes, do you?
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Yes, I do.
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But I often look at them like that and feel overwhelmed.
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How's this changed your life?
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Well, immediately after there was a depression that sat in, the depression was really, really
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almost, what's the word I'm looking for?
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It handicapped me.
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Debilitating?
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Thank you.
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That's the word I need.
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Thank you for helping me with that.
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So it was very debilitating having this depression.
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It was hard to get the motivation up to do just about anything.
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I would go outside in the backyard and I would just sit on a bench in the backyard and just
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cry.
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I'd bear off into nothing and pray and beg to be able to be taken back.
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Please, isn't there somebody else?
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I just want to go back.
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I would hate myself because like I said, I had kids.
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Two of them were still at home.
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I had one in high school and one in junior high and I hated myself for feeling that way
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because I knew that I would leave them.
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But I also knew that time is different here than it is there and that I would see them
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soon anyway and they would understand.
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They would understand when they could feel it.
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And so I really had a tough time with that.
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And then my son would come and tell me something fun he did at school and some band thing he
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was going to be in and he wanted me there and I'm like, okay.
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Yeah, I really needed to be there and be there for him for this.
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Still, even every once in a while now, I'll start thinking about it.
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I'll have a bad day and I'll think about heaven and I'll wish that I could be there.
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But it's not as debilitating as it was for me back then.
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I've been able to work through that over the years.
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That's a very common thing for experiencers to have been in a place that wonderful of
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course you miss it.
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And of course you'll be excited to go back there someday at the right time.
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Okay, some people feel like their personality changes quite a bit.
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Now you had a brain injury too, which can change your personality a little bit.
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Have you had other people tell you that this is Lisa 2.0?
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Maybe 1.5.
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I feel like that I am a better person now.
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I've been told that I'm a better person now.
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I've been told that people can sense more peace in me.
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I'll go to the grocery store or someplace and people, it's like I have a target on my
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back or something and people will want to come up and talk to me and I'll give them
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my full attention and I will talk to them and they can tell me anything and they do.
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And they hopefully leave feeling a little bit better.
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That's a gift.
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That was a gift given to me there.
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That's part of the Lisa 1.5 or 2.0.
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Yeah.
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Has it affected your personal relationships either for better or for worse?
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For better, definitely.
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That's great.
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At first, people would come to me and they would tell me how sad they were for me and
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I'm like, well, maybe not at first, but a few months later after I'd worked through
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some of the depression and that people would come to me and they'd say, I'm so sorry that
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happened to you.
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You still have that C-Colorone?
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Oh man, I'm so sorry.
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I would just be like, hey, don't cry for me because what I got in return is definitely
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worth it.
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And what made it worth it is I'm no longer afraid of death.
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I could die this exact moment and I would be okay with it.
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And I have a level of peace that I have not maybe ever had.
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Before we wrap up, I'm just trying to think of, because what you just said is beautiful
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and there is somebody out there listening today that's struggling with whatever, be it
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depression or just life or a major trial that they're going through or maybe the loss of
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a loved one.
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What else can you say to them from what you learned that might give them some hope?
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Just because somebody dies does not mean that they quit thinking about you.
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They think about you all the time.
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They check in on you.
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They are waiting.
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I think that you couldn't help but to know that it's worse for us here than there because
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their time moves so differently than here.
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Here we're left with loneliness.
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They have regrets too.
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If I would have been kept there like I wanted, I would have had regrets.
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Everybody has regrets on both sides.
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Maybe they didn't get to say goodbye to you.
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I wouldn't have had a chance to say goodbye to my kids.
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That would have played on me a little bit.
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But it's not the same though because of the level of peace and love that's there.
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You know that you're going to see them in basically a couple minutes anyway.
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When you have tasted eternity, it's just so much, your understanding of things is just
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so much deeper and better than what we have here.
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When somebody dies, the people who are left behind are the ones who are affected the worst.
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But just know that you're going to see them in a flash.
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Who was the first person that you told this experience to?
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How long after the accident was it?
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It was my husband.
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How did he react?
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He didn't know how to react.
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He was very cautious, very sad because of what had happened.
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He almost lost me.
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I still can't talk to him very much about it.
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But I told him and he, I didn't tell him everything real.
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I don't think I've still told him everything just because of his reactions when I tell
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him he's just sad.
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I don't want to make him sad.
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And this has been over 11 years ago and I know you've told a handful of other people,
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but not publicly to this point.
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How come?
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Because not everybody believes you.
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I have considered it to be a little sacred and not something that I wanted people to
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make fun of me for or anybody.
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I don't think anybody who says this, who says that they've had a near-death experience,
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I don't think anybody should be discounted immediately because somebody doesn't believe
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in an afterlife.
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There's enough people out there who have said that there's an afterlife and who have had
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experiences and even though they vary a little bit here and there and from country and culture,
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pretty much every culture believes that there's something there.
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People who've been doing this for a long time and coming back in different cultures
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and things you can read and study.
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Well, Lisa, I really appreciate you being here with us today.
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Any last thoughts?
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Share love.
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It shouldn't be just me who has that job.
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Everybody should do that.
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If you see somebody who needs something, by all means, help them out.
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Great message.
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Thank you again.
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Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast.
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Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.