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From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.
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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.
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And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my
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physical body because I was somewhere else.
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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
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anything else to be felt.
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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.
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I'm back home again.
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Incredibly safe and felt at home.
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Welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody, and to Michelle Claire down in beautiful Arizona.
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What part of Arizona are you in, Michelle?
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I'm in the Phoenix area.
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Is it warm right now in the middle of winter?
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Actually, right now it is rainy and 55 degrees.
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So for us, that's a cold day.
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OK.
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Well, this podcast is not about the weather.
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So my quick apologies for that.
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But before we talk about your three, everybody get ready, three near death experiences.
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Tell us just a little bit about you so we can get to know you first.
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Yeah.
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So I was raised Catholic.
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I have three sisters.
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My mom was an RN and my dad was in the Air Force.
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I was married for 25 years.
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I now have three children, 23, 20 and 17.
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So they're all grown up on me or getting close to it anyway.
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And I've been working professionally as a medium since my third near death experience
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after I did mentoring.
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So I've been being professional with this since about 2017.
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And by the way, when we're done, if you find Michelle as interesting as I think you will,
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you can reach out to her at MichelleClaire.net.
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And that'll be in the show notes to make sure you spell it right.
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Well, if you don't mind, I want to jump right into it.
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And we start with your first NDE, which was way back in 2000.
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Give us a little background.
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What were you doing in your life and what led up to this?
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Okay.
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At that point in my life, I was newly married.
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I was working for the airlines.
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Some people might remember Delta Airlines.
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That sounds familiar.
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I was working for Delta and that was here in Phoenix at the Phoenix airport.
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Just really going about my life, not really thinking much about it.
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I had been raised Catholic.
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I wasn't in church every Sunday, but it was still the majority of my belief system.
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And that day, I was actually in a hospital in Tucson.
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My sister-in-law had just given birth.
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So we were down there visiting her.
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I was talking to her, Arin, who actually happened to be my friend from high school.
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And I had a massive seizure.
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And at that point in time, I remember looking up and my grandmother, who had transitioned
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a couple of years before me, was smiling at me and I was laying with my head in her lap.
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Okay.
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Hang on.
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Did you realize you were dead or out of your body or where were you?
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Yeah.
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My body was on the floor in the hospital and I was in this beautiful space with my grandmother
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who had passed away, a place that had unconditional love, timelessness.
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It looked like I was in a white room, but the molecules or the cells in these walls
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were alive and they seemed to be almost breathing and radiating light and love.
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I didn't know.
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I had no idea.
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I went from talking to my friend from high school to with my head in my grandma's lap.
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It happened that quick.
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So what caused the seizure?
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They never figured it out.
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They admitted me to the hospital that night.
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So it was a one-time thing and then you were okay?
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Yes.
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Wow.
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Well, that's a blessing there.
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Not the seizure, but the fact that it was a one-time thing and you got over that.
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You went through this a little bit fast.
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If you don't mind.
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Okay.
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I'm going to bear down on it just a little bit.
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We can save some of this for later too, but how does an inanimate thing like white
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walls and molecules radiate love?
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Explain that to me.
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That's a great question.
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So I would describe it as if you're looking at a leaf on a tree in the sunlight, right?
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And the sun is coming through it, but it almost looks like it's radiating out from inside
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of the leaf.
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That is how these walls were.
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But although they seem solid, there were, I don't know what I would call cells or molecules
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that were each radiating this light and love within what appeared to be these white walls.
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Okay.
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Tell me about grandma now.
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You were just on her lap.
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Give me more detail.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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So I look up and I see grandma looking right down at me.
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She is the youngest, healthiest version of her that I can remember.
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And I remember feeling so safe and so secure.
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Knowing that she was there, I had no fear.
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I didn't wonder how I got there.
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I was literally just enjoying the moment.
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And as I was looking at my grandmother, I looked next to her and standing next to her
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was this angel that was about 12 feet tall.
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Yes.
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Tall.
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I believed in angels growing up, but I had no idea they were that big.
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As I looked at this beautiful angel, the first thing I thought was I wanted to see her feather
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wings because we all know they have feather wings, right?
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And as I moved my eyes to look for those beautiful feather wings, what I actually saw were wings
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made of light and they were kind of like the Aurora Borealis.
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So they moved, they were translucent and iridescent and they actually almost seemed to span or
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trail off into eternity.
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I don't actually ever remember seeing the end of the wing.
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And as I looked at her face, her energy, just beyond awestruck and it almost encompassed
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me and sucked me into her.
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And I remember thinking, what is your name?
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And I was thinking this and she answered me.
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She said, my name's Madeline.
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I'm one of your guardian angels.
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And I was quite surprised because I did not know anything about telepathic communication
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at that point in time.
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So I didn't know how she could hear what I was thinking.
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And while I was laying there, I had no cares, no cares at all in the world.
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I could have laid there forever.
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There was so much love and peace and bliss and my grandma and this beautiful angel.
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And the next thing I hear is I hear someone yelling code, code, code, because I had quit
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breathing and I was already in the hospital.
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They're about to spoil what's going on.
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Exactly.
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And the next thing I know, I am back in my body and it is like I just got dropped out
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of a tin story building, plunk, and it is heavy and it is dense and my arm felt like
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it weighed 500 pounds.
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So it was very, it was a shocking contrast to go from that beautiful energetic light
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airy and heavenly realm to boom, planet earth.
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Oh, wow.
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And waking up right there on the floor and shoo.
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Now I'm looking behind you.
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You have two large sculptures of what look like female angels with feathery wings.
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Right.
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I'm guessing they don't make sculptures with the kind of wings you just described.
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If they did, I would buy one.
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No, they don't.
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Yeah.
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Well, those are beautiful anyway.
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Well, thank you.
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And symbolic of this whole thing.
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I have a daughter named Madeline.
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So that's a good one for a guardian angel.
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Anyway, okay.
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Was there any after effect takeaway?
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Did that change your life much at the time?
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At the time, it didn't change it too much.
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I remember when I woke up, I had, I have clear memories of this.
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So as many in D or say it's more real on the other side than it is here.
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And that was the same thing.
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I hadn't grown up feeling loved, but I had never felt as loved in my life as I felt in
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those moments in heaven.
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Like I just came back feeling so loved.
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And I also did not have the term near death experience in my vocabulary.
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So I knew I had an experience.
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It took me a few weeks before I was ready to tell my mom about it because I didn't know
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really what to do with this as a lot of in D years will say once you get there and you
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have this experience, if it's not something you've grown up around, you think people are
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going to think you're crazy when you share it.
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So I came back feeling extra loved, shared it with my mom in a few weeks.
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My mom kind of looked at me and believe me, but kind of wanted some type of scientific
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proof or something.
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And, you know, I had nothing except the energy and the memories that I was holding in my
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heart and body from that.
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Is this grandmother your mom's mom?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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So I mean, one of the lessons I learned from that in D, well, I learned quite a few lessons,
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but one of them was angels are real heaven knows we are coming.
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My grandmother was right there waiting for me.
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She knew I was coming before I did.
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And I always find that with my mediumship.
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I love being able to share that with people.
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They know you're coming.
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No one transitions alone.
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Even if you're in the middle of the desert somewhere, your loved ones, your angels, your
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lifeguides, they're all right there waiting.
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That's a very comforting thought.
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Wow.
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I'm not sure where to go with that.
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I tell you what, let's just go on to the second one.
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Unless there's anything else from the first one that you want to fill in.
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Well, I feel like for me, the connection with my grandma and the angel really opened up
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my angelic connection and my ability to understand, see, know, and communicate with angels.
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So it definitely let me know for me personally that this is real and this is help and support
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that's available to all of us.
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So I think that was another big thing that came out of that.
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My second NDE happened in May of 2006.
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And at that point in time, I had had my son.
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So at this point in my life, I have two kids.
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I have my daughter who is five, another daughter, two and a half.
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And I had just given birth to my son on April 1st.
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So of course he came early because he's still a joker to this day.
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And as I had him, I had a lot of complications during labor and then after.
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So I went home when they let me out, not feeling great, started running a fever within hours
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and ended up being back and forth in the hospital for four days, home for two days, back in
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the hospital on IV antibiotics and all sorts of procedures they were doing.
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So mid May, about six weeks later, they decided we need to do a DNC because that is a process
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that clears out the uterus because they thought I had infection and there may be a piece of
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placenta or something.
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And they said it was going to be a 45 minute procedure.
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It was going to be outpatient piece of cake.
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So I was in because I wanted the easy out.
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I was tired of being sick and in the hospital and away from my kids.
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And the night before I just had this pit in my stomach and I knew that I shouldn't go
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through with the surgery, but I remember them telling me it'd be 45 minutes.
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I'd be cured.
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I'd be home.
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So I show up the next morning, talk to the doctor, the anesthesiologist, both of them
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then confirm it's quick.
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It's easy done it a million times.
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You're going to be fine.
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So I had had anesthesia before and when I've had it, it's just a blank space.
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There's no memory.
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There's no dreaming.
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There's a blank.
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I remember counting backwards for the anesthesiologist.
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And the next thing I know, I'm on the gurney in the operating room and my beautiful white
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German shepherd who was 102 pounds.
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She had passed away a couple of years before this walks in, lays her head on the gurney,
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looks at me and we are gone.
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And all of a sudden we are on this phenomenal beach.
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Once again, there are colors, there are sights, there are sounds, there are emotions, every
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cell, every molecule of water in the ocean and the plants radiating this light and love
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from within.
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And she and I are on the beach and we are just running and I'm looking at her.
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We are communicating telepathically again.
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She's so happy that I'm there.
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She looks young.
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She looks like about a two year old German shepherd.
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Healthy.
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I can tell she's so happy.
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And we are just running and running.
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And I start to notice that sand doesn't feel hard.
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It feels like we're running on clouds.
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We're not getting tired.
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We're not getting hot or thirsty.
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So I've really started to become aware, wait, I think something different is happening here
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at that point in time.
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And come by that love in this near death experience is really where I was able to tap into truly
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the present moment.
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And with that, I will say on the beach with her at that time, there was only each breath
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and each step.
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I could not worry about anything before it or after it.
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It was the most present I have ever been.
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It was literally each breath, each step, each breath, each step.
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And then at some point I feel my son who's six weeks old and he's at my house with my
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mom calling to me because he knows I'm getting ready to leave.
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If you can think about how close we are with our children and he can feel that my soul
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is getting ready to leave.
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And I remember going to him and I said, I'll find a way to stay.
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And I didn't know what to do.
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So I started praying and I started saying, I need help.
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It's not my time.
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My kids still need me here.
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And in that moment, I was transported back into the operating room.
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I saw Jesus come in.
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I saw this beautiful white golden light.
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And the next thing I knew, I was waking up.
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Let me add this.
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Jesus came in as my friend.
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Jesus did not come in saying bow down, pray to me or anything like that.
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Jesus came in and it wasn't words.
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It was the energy because this is beyond words.
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It was like, I'm here to help you.
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Let me help you.
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And the next thing I know, I'm waking up in post-op and my 45 minute procedure had turned
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into a three and a half hour emergency surgery because they had ruptured my uterus in two
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places and missed my artery by a millimeter.
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Tell me more about the interaction with Jesus.
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Yeah.
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There were no words.
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It was telepathic and energetic.
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And that's why I would say there was just this feeling of I'm your best friend.
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Let me help you.
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And I really felt like with that, my soul had summoned him in.
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Right.
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And so I like to tell people this, our souls are capable of summoning miracles, miracles
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as humans call them.
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And in that moment, for whatever happened, I was able to get into alignment to send out
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that prayer or that ask of help.
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And here he came.
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I will tell you, I don't remember specifically praying to Jesus.
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I remember asking for help and telling them that I needed to stay.
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But that was who responded to my call for help, which makes perfect sense to me being raised
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Catholic that he's truly, you know, a master that I still work with today.
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And with him, I mean, all I can tell you is that everything about him radiated light and
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love.
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When there was that scene and that connection with Jesus, there was nothing anyone could
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have ever done wrong because you were purely loved for exactly who you are.
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I love that you're telling me this and other people have to that that feeling of love,
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it just trumps everything else.
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That's all you feel, right?
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You're not feeling guilt, shame, all these things that we're afraid.
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Oh, no, there's Jesus.
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I'm going to have to, you know, because I have not been perfect or something.
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And it's just love, period.
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That makes so much sense.
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And it's been confirmed by so many people that I've had on this show.
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Same thing.
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So you didn't see one of these 12 foot angels this time.
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I did not that time.
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I did not.
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I felt like I kind of upgraded though, I got to see Jesus.
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Yeah.
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But I did not see any angels in that one.
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You know, the interesting thing about the near death experiences is I've never gone
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back to question them because all three of them have been completely different and yet
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clearly exactly what my soul needed at that moment.
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And I think that's something that's common for NDE years.
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It's not groundhog state.
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You don't go back and keep having the same experience every time.
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If you have more than one, they tend to build and you get more information, more knowledge.
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I think you're ready for more after the first one.
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Yeah.
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So it makes sense.
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They would build on each other.
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Okay.
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I'm a huge fan of beaches.
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Can you describe this beach a little bit more?
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Oh, yeah.
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So in my mind, that's what I think Fiji would be like.
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I've never been to Fiji, but it was white, white powdery sand.
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I have.
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It's beautiful.
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Okay.
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You would love it.
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You need to go there.
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All right.
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So my bucket list, white, white powdery sand.
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The foliage grew right up to the ocean.
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I mean, there was just a little beach going down there.
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It wasn't like a huge beach to them.
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And it was interesting because I remember when I was, there was no sun in the sky, but
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it was all light.
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But that made sense to me because the light was coming from within every molecule, every
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cell, every drop of water.
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So I didn't see a sun in the sky, but yet it was as bright as a sunny day in Fiji would
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be the smells.
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I mean, there were smells that I've never smelled.
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I don't know if they have them in Fiji, but really just like, gosh, almost like perfumes,
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I don't know, perfumes too strong of a word.
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I don't even want to use that word, but very peaceful, very maybe like for people who like
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lavender, I feel like as you breathe it in, you relax into it kind of something like smells
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that would relax you.
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Everything was so relaxing there.
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The colors were brighter.
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We actually had things, their flowers and things that had colors that we don't have
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here on earth.
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And so I don't even know how to describe them, but just, yes, amazing, amazing and beautiful.
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And with your dog sounds like you had a great connection with your dog.
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Absolutely.
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She's kind of, I've had quite a few dogs over my life, but that one's my soulmate dog.
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What's her name?
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Tahoe.
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Good name.
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All right.
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Now let's go forward to 2011.
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All right.
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What was going on at this time?
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And then you've told me a little bit about it, but everybody else needs to hear.
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Go ahead.
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Okay.
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At this point in time, my kids were older, so I had 10, eight and five.
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So they were, you know, they were moving around doing their thing.
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I had been a stay at home mom, homemaker, happy with that, loving every moment and being able
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to be with my kids and I was actually climbing up this ladder.
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I have 14 foot ceilings in my house and about 12 feet off the ground in the kitchen.
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I had battery operated candles that would turn on every night glow and turn off by themselves.
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My younger two kids were home and they were actually in the kitchen because it was 1111
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right November 1st.
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So they wanted to start looking and making their list for Santa because everyone knows
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the morning after Halloween's over, you start planning for Santa, right?
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When you're five and eight years old, they were in the kitchen working on their Christmas
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list.
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The oldest was in an after school program and I said to them, I said, as soon as I get
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done putting this candle up, we're going to go get your sister.
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So I climb up the ladder and as I get to the top, I can feel it start to shift.
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And at that moment, I literally thought this is going to hurt.
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And I knew, I knew this was going, this was going to hurt was all I could think.
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I was ripped out of my body, not in a painful way, but in a fast way.
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I was turned around and I was facing my body and the ladder suspended in the air.
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And as I was looking at this, I was once again in a timeless space.
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I was encompassed with unconditional love.
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I was feeling blissful.
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I was standing with three people that I had never met in this lifetime, but they felt
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like close family or friends.
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I knew they knew everything about me.
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One was an Asian man, one was an Egyptian woman and one was a Hawaiian man.
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And they said to me, they said, what do you want to do, Michelle?
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Do you want to stay or do you want to go?
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And I was really trying to figure out how I had forever to decide what I wanted to do
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because at the same time I knew my body was going to hit the floor in less than a second,
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but they weren't rushing me.
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So I was a little confused.
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I had forever to decide.
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I was aware of being in the timelessness and the love, and yet I knew there was part of
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me still connected to the time.
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And at that moment, I saw a beautiful angel come in dressed in red and gold, not my angel
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Madeline, a different one.
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And when I saw this angel, I knew immediately it was there to either take me home or shift
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something so that I could stay.
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And at that moment, my attention was drawn to my younger two kids in the kitchen.
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And as soon as I saw them, I knew I needed to stay.
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And so when I made this decision, I was downloaded with a lot of information very quickly.
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So they said, OK, but you need to go back and you need to practice your mediumship and
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do it in the way that just you can do it.
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I mean, we have a lot of mediums, but they all work differently.
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They told me that my marriage would probably end in divorce.
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They told me that I'd have more trauma coming later down the road in my life.
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And they gave me a lot of information.
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Some of it is still getting revealed with time because I was downloaded with so much
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at that point in time.
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I don't remember it all, but sometimes I'll, I don't know, I'll hear something or see
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something and it will trigger more of what I was told at that point in time still.
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And that was in 2011.
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So this is an ongoing process.
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And as I was given all of this information, I remember being in spirit world and I remember
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them telling me about all of this trauma that I was going to have.
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And I remember also saying like, OK, send me in.
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I've got this.
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OK, right.
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And then you get here and you're human and you say, what the heck is happening to my life?
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So I end up falling.
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I hit the back of my head on the corner of my granite island.
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I had a five and a half inch skull fracture.
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I had a brain bleed.
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I lost my taste in my smell, my equilibrium, part of my hearing.
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But I survived the fall by half an inch.
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I missed my brainstem by half an inch.
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And that was the difference of me being able to stay or go at that point in time.
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Wow.
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Okay.
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Did you say one angel or a couple of angels this time?
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I only saw one that time also.
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Just one this time.
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Okay.
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Because I was thinking you had multiple guides.
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So Madeline and then this one.
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So right.
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Yes.
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So I have three lifeguides and I didn't actually even know those were my lifeguides.
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So even by the time we get to this third near death experience, I don't know.
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I know I'm having an experience.
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I don't know what's called a near death experience.
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I had never heard the term lifeguide.
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So I don't know who these three people are who seem to know me inside out, but here they
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are.
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You know.
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And so once again, I knew I was having some significant monumental life-changing experience.
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I didn't have the vocabulary for it.
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Yeah.
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Well, and I apologize because I think I kind of mixed all together these three guides that
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you told us about that Asian man, Hawaiian man.
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What was the third one?
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Egyptian lady.
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Egyptian lady.
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I think I mixed those up with the angels a little bit.
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So.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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So then, but these, did you get any kind of message from these, what these lifeguides,
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what their purpose is, how they help you at this point?
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Yeah.
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Well, so this is all telepathic communication, right?
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With them and, and really what this was.
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So it makes sense to me that my lifeguides were the ones that are there right now saying,
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this is the only NDE where I got the choice.
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Do you want to stay or do you want to go?
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It was literally a point blank question.
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And at that point, it makes sense that it was my lifeguides asking me.
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My understanding is our lifeguides are here to help us follow through with our blueprint
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for our life.
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Whereas our angels really are here for love and comfort and protection.
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So they serve a little two different roles.
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So it makes sense when I was given the, the choice, it was presented by my lifeguides.
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Okay.
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That makes sense.
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Can you describe any more details about Madeline or the other angel with the red and gold
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dress?
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Did you see facial features or was this just light mostly?
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I did see facial features.
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00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:35,760
So they appeared to me as human like, and that makes sense to me because that's what
491
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,760
I'm comfortable with.
492
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,640
Everything in this was about love and comfort.
493
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:46,560
And so if my angels had appeared to me with eight heads or like a blue alien, I would
494
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,680
maybe been a little jolted, but they appeared to me in the way I expected.
495
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:51,680
So they look like humans.
496
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,800
I mean, their skin was perfect.
497
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:54,800
They were porcelain.
498
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,300
They were stunning.
499
00:25:56,300 --> 00:26:01,480
But within them, you could feel the light and love radiating out of them and their energy
500
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:06,920
almost kind of want to say like brings you in and hugs you the energetic comfort that
501
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,480
they bring is unbelievable.
502
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,840
Did you get a feel from your three guides?
503
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:18,040
Like they were people that had lived here on earth at some time and this was their after
504
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,120
life, and this was maybe part of an assignment that they had.
505
00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:23,120
Absolutely.
506
00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:28,200
I felt like all three of them had actually mastered life on planet earth and that's why
507
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,320
they were able to be my life guides at that point in time.
508
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,920
So I think that they had been here many, many times, knew the ins and outs of it and it's
509
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,320
signed up to try to help keep me on my path.
510
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:40,840
How about the angels?
511
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:41,840
Same question.
512
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:42,840
Yeah.
513
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:47,080
So I do from what I know as a medium angels can have earthly incarnations.
514
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,640
So you can be an angel and come to the earth energy and have a human life here.
515
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,040
They don't tend to prefer that.
516
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,760
They tend to be a vibrational frequency that does well in that heavenly realm.
517
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:02,920
And a lot of times when we come to earth from that angelic realm, it's a hard life because
518
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,400
it's even harder than it is on regular souls that are coming in.
519
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,160
So it is possible.
520
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,840
I think some of them have done that and I think some of them have not.
521
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:19,400
And to me, why do you think we can't remember what happened to us before this life?
522
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:20,400
Yeah.
523
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:27,320
Well, we are veiled or given amnesia or whatever we want to call this because if we remembered
524
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:32,800
the whole plan of the life that we had set up, we really wouldn't be evolving and growing
525
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,200
and learning through it.
526
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:40,560
So there's this part of it where also to I'll say this, knowing that love of this heavenly
527
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:48,120
realm that we all call home, you would long for it to a degree that would be almost unimaginable.
528
00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:51,920
If you could remember where you came from and that everything is perfect, it didn't
529
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,640
make it even harder to be here.
530
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,000
So that amnesia or veiling is for a couple of reasons.
531
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:02,120
One, it's so that we can actually try to learn our life purpose and do it as an individual,
532
00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:03,120
right?
533
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:05,080
Because we chose to come here as an individual.
534
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,520
But it's also to help with the longing of wanting to go home.
535
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,320
That is a great explanation.
536
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,880
I completely agree with it.
537
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:18,840
Experiencers that I've talked to, especially ones that are moms and have kids, that's the
538
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,960
reason they choose to come back.
539
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:21,960
Yeah.
540
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,560
Those darn kids, they get you stuck here on planet Earth.
541
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:25,560
Yeah.
542
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:26,560
Yeah.
543
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,560
It's somebody that I love needs me.
544
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,480
It's not a selfish decision ever, is it?
545
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,640
It's not, oh, I don't like it here so well.
546
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,400
I want to go back to Earth and my regular body and that kind of thing.
547
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,080
It's always out of service for somebody else.
548
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:46,520
And it seems like that comes from this place where you're feeling nothing but love.
549
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,800
So you're making that choice that same way.
550
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,520
Is that, do you feel like that's how it works?
551
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:52,520
Absolutely.
552
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,440
So I feel like it really was a choice made in love.
553
00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:01,080
And I'm going to add the human word sacrifice on there because I gave up stepping into that
554
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:07,880
blissful eternal realm at that moment to come back, to raise my three kids, but then
555
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:14,200
to go through marriage that ended in divorce, to then have find love again and my life partner
556
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,600
transitioned by suicide in August.
557
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:22,160
And so there was this part of me where had I chosen to stay at that point in time, I
558
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:27,360
could have bypassed a lot of human trauma that my kids when they had a mom and I wouldn't
559
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:32,000
have been there to be able to watch them grow up and help them and love them and guide them.
560
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:38,880
And so I feel like every experiencer that comes back is doing it from a place of love.
561
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,560
And let's go beyond that.
562
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,720
Every soul that is here on planet earth came here from a place of love.
563
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,040
It's not just indie years.
564
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,240
It's love.
565
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,640
We come from the love.
566
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,440
And we'll go back to the love.
567
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:52,440
Okay.
568
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,800
So you've mentioned a couple of times that you had a Catholic upbringing.
569
00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:00,160
Did these experiences change your feelings for that at all?
570
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:05,440
Well, by the way, anyone that's new to the show, this is a completely non-denominational
571
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:06,440
show.
572
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:07,720
We are not pushing anyone religion.
573
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,320
We are not slamming on any religions.
574
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,720
That is not why I'm asking this question.
575
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:19,640
I'm just kind of curious how these experiences affected your belief system that you had grown
576
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:20,640
up with.
577
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:21,640
Mm-hmm.
578
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:22,640
Okay.
579
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,000
So from a very young age, there were things I really resonated with, with the Catholic
580
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,000
church.
581
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,880
I remember being in first grade and my Sunday school teacher telling me when I was crying
582
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,520
because my dog died that my dog didn't go to heaven because it didn't have a soul.
583
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,400
And that was the first jolting experience I have.
584
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:40,400
What?
585
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,640
You know, so very early on there were differences.
586
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:44,960
Here are some of the things I loved.
587
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,080
I was taught that there were angels and saints and Mother Mary and all of these beings of
588
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,720
light that wanted to help us and support us.
589
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,040
And what I know from my mediumship and my near death experiences, that part of it is
590
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,040
true.
591
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,040
Guess what?
592
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,040
I saw my beautiful dog in heaven.
593
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,040
She made it there.
594
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,600
Our animals go to heaven.
595
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,120
That wasn't a fear that I had carried with me.
596
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:09,480
But what happened at a young age for me was I felt like I already had a knowing of, I'm
597
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,840
going to say God or source and that energy.
598
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,200
And I already could see that the Catholic religion, although it had very many beautiful
599
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:24,400
things, confined what I knew of source into a smaller box than I knew source what to be.
600
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:25,400
Okay.
601
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:26,400
That's interesting.
602
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,800
Let's talk about the three guides for a second.
603
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,880
What do you make of how different they were?
604
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:37,200
I mean, these weren't like, you know, the three women next door, they weren't your aunts
605
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,200
and grandmas.
606
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:43,480
You know, what do you, what do you make of how different they were from you?
607
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,720
Yeah, I mean, it's amazing.
608
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,880
Actually, I love that it tells us all how diverse our souls are.
609
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:50,880
Right?
610
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:56,440
And one of the life guides, what I know now is that I had chosen them before I came here.
611
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,600
They all serve specific purposes.
612
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,320
So everyone has at least one life guide and one guardian angel.
613
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,720
We might have more than that depending on our mission or our purpose for coming to planet
614
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:07,720
earth.
615
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:14,440
And so for me, each one of these guides, although very diverse from who I am, specializes in
616
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:19,760
some type of field or area to help me accomplish the missions and the purpose of my soul being
617
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,800
here at this point in time.
618
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:28,000
And so it really also, I would say this, although they appeared to me like, you know, a Hawaiian
619
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,440
man that would be very different than me, a Caucasian female, right?
620
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:38,080
But in that moment, I didn't look at them or feel any difference or distance between
621
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,080
us.
622
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,080
We were one.
623
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:45,400
It was almost just like it was, you know, I kind of like to say changing outfits when
624
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:46,400
I think back about it.
625
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,000
It's like, if I put on different clothes, I'm still Michelle.
626
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,240
I'm just in a different outfit or a different Halloween costume.
627
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:57,600
And so although they were separate from me in a way and looked different than me, none
628
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:03,520
of that translated into the experience that I had because I felt one with all of them.
629
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,200
So how do we let our guides guide us?
630
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,200
Yeah.
631
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,680
How do we know they're guiding us?
632
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,320
How do we know how to follow?
633
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:11,320
Right.
634
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:12,320
Exactly.
635
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:13,320
So it always starts as a whisper.
636
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,680
I feel like our life guides, you know, I wish spirit was shouting at us with a bullhorn.
637
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,960
That would make our lives easier, but they're not.
638
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,280
They're whispering to us.
639
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:23,280
They're nudging us.
640
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:28,360
So it's really a lot of the times we call it intuition or gut feeling or, you know,
641
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:33,000
whatever we want to call this, but these are always our life guides saying, hey, go that
642
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,000
way.
643
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,000
Hey, take a right.
644
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,280
Hey, I need you to run into this person today because they're going to just tell you about
645
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,360
this random job opportunity that came up.
646
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,120
That's the job you're supposed to have.
647
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:49,000
So we call it maybe coincidence or synchronicities, but our life guides are always talking to
648
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,000
us.
649
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:54,640
It's in the whispers and what we consider to be random as humans that they're pointing
650
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:55,960
us in the right direction.
651
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:56,960
Okay.
652
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,200
Now I'm probably going to ask you to speculate a little bit on this one, unless you really
653
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:06,640
know the answer, but our guardian angels, did your guardian angel take the day off when
654
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,000
you were on the ladder that day?
655
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:14,000
Or, you know what I mean, if we have these guardian angels, why do we get in car accidents?
656
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,680
Why do these other traumatic things happen to us?
657
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:18,680
Right.
658
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,120
So I will tell you what I know from that is a medium.
659
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,640
So as we plan our life, we put in multiple exit points.
660
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:31,160
So there are times in our life when we're in spirit before we come here where we say,
661
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,920
hey, I can leave at this point and I can go home and I can, you know, home to the heavenly
662
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:36,920
realm.
663
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,440
That's what I'm going to say about that.
664
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,880
And the other thing is this is the universe had already tried to wake me up twice.
665
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,000
I had already had two near death experiences.
666
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,520
And here I was, it was kind of go big or go home at this point in time on this third
667
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:50,760
NDE.
668
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,920
So it wasn't that my angel didn't know what was coming.
669
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,960
Didn't take the day off that that was actually done, I believe for myself on a soul level
670
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:05,840
where I said, okay, Michelle, and if you don't wake up by 1111, here comes something significant
671
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,480
to help you get back on track and remember why you're here.
672
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:14,440
And maybe that angel did help nudge your head a half an inch, right?
673
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:15,680
The one in the red and gold.
674
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,200
Yes, move my head a half an inch.
675
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,760
I have no doubt in the right direction in the right direction to survive the fall.
676
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:22,760
Yeah.
677
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,200
So was I, listen, I was divinely supported in this NDE.
678
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,160
I had three life guides and an angel right there.
679
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:36,880
I was surrounded with light and love and blissful timelessness energy and there was no part
680
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:37,880
of me.
681
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:38,880
I want to say this too.
682
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,160
There was no part of me that felt like it was right or wrong to stay or go.
683
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:48,240
No matter what decision I made, I knew I was going to be loved and I was going to be fine.
684
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:50,600
How do we spread that kind of love here?
685
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:57,520
We have to stop looking at each other as separate, whether this is, you know, just, we do so
686
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,240
much on planet earth to divide people out regularly.
687
00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:04,480
We are always showing why you're different, why I'm different.
688
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,600
We can't, and we buy into the contrast so much.
689
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:12,480
The contrast is good because it helps us learn that as part of why we came to planet earth.
690
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:17,640
But when you really start seeing people the way that source sees them, which is that we're
691
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:22,600
all loved and we're all perfect and we're all here on our own separate journey course
692
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:23,600
of life.
693
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:28,400
I don't, I never came back looking at people as broken from that third NDE.
694
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,800
I came back and I would look at them and I say, hmm, I wonder what their sole plan is.
695
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,080
It changed my perspective on all of that.
696
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:36,080
All right.
697
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:41,120
I'd love to leave our listeners with some kind of wonderful message of hope today.
698
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:42,520
How do you want to summarize?
699
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:43,520
Yeah.
700
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,520
I mean, wow, there's so many places you can go without it.
701
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:51,120
Number one, you need to know you're not living this life alone that even in the moments where
702
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:56,200
it doesn't feel like it, you are divinely guided by your angels, your life guides, your loved
703
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,520
ones and spirit source, the divine.
704
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,560
You are not here accidentally.
705
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:06,640
We all chose to come here on the sole level and it's really so that we can learn and grow
706
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,520
and also play and find the magic in life.
707
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:15,560
And a lot of times we get bogged down in survival mode and we forget that our soul came here
708
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,280
to learn and play and grow.
709
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:18,280
Okay.
710
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,160
So, on a scale of one to 10, what's your level of fear of death?
711
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,160
Zero.
712
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:24,160
Perfect.
713
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,160
Thanks, Michelle.
714
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,160
I appreciate having you today.
715
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,040
Yeah, you are so welcome.
716
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,040
Thank you for having me.
717
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,720
It's really been an honor.
718
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:35,520
Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast.
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