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Welcome to Round Trip Death and part two of our interview with Ralph Jensen.
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If you haven't heard part one yet, I'd recommend starting there.
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It's episode number 407.
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And if you like the first half of Ralph's interview, you're going to love part two
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because his experience gets even better.
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He saw all of Jesus's life.
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He saw Adam and Eve.
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He saw Noah and the Ark.
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All right, here we go.
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From the time that they pronounced me dead was a good 45 minutes.
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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart.
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My heart had stopped and I could see people screaming and crying.
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But I didn't realize that was actually my physical body because I was somewhere else.
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The only thing that I could feel, if you can imagine, absolute love and peace,
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there wasn't anything else to be felt.
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I was greeted by people I had known in the past.
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I'm back home again.
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Incredibly safe and felt at home.
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Before I got us off on a tangent, you were talking about you got to see his birth.
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You got to see him as a youth growing up.
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Go ahead and pick it back up there.
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Well, obviously I had to see him go into temple at 12.
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Now, in those days, you were an adult at 12 and expected to have your own family.
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Get married, have kids, have your own family at 12 years old.
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Today, we look at an adult at 21.
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So if you can compare a 21-year-old to a 12-year-old, that's kind of where we're at
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in how you look at the age of a person and the maturity.
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They didn't run around playing soccer and riding their bikes everywhere.
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They were very serious.
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Life was serious because the average lifespan in those days was 14 years old.
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And so a lot of people died when they were young to get people like Zacharias,
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who was in his 60s, to be that old and have the medium lifespan is 14.
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There's a lot of youth that die and babies.
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So life was serious.
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Half a day, the scriptures were read to you.
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The other half, you'd go work and you memorized the scriptures.
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So they didn't have all these fun and games.
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Yeah, the kids had some fun, of course.
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And a lot of their play was dealing with the work they did.
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But you were very serious.
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And at the same time, you were 12 years old, you're quite mature.
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You knew how to do a lot of things, which our kids aren't demanded to do today.
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So they're not quite as mature.
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It could be, but they're not.
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And so that's why he got to go to the temple at 12.
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And then, as you know, they lost him for three days.
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Why?
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Because you never traveled alone.
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They would have been traveling with their family and neighbors and people.
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You'd have maybe a hundred people in your group, sometimes more.
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Groups are large.
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Even when the wise men came, they had, I mean, mass, I can't tell you how many,
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but there were a lot of servants and people there.
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And there weren't just, there weren't three.
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I won't tell you if there was one or a hundred.
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There weren't three wise men, but there are a lot of people that went with them.
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And so he could be lost for three days because they thought, well, he came with
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this and everybody's happy and you're going home.
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But that's not the case.
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And so then, of course, he grew up.
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His dad was a carpenter.
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In those days, a carpenter chiseled rocks, even though they did work with wood.
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They did work with mud bricks.
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They made a lot of buildings out of mud bricks and they did a lot of wood things
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for farm implements.
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And their wood shop was near the iron striker or blacksmith shop in town
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so that they could make wood to match the metal and they could get sickles
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and wagon parts and all the different things you need for horses and oxen.
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And they could match them together with the iron strikers.
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And but most of what they did was chisel rock because the carpenter, the term
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carpenter comes from the carpal tunnel area of your wrist.
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And if you do something that makes your wrist move everywhere, you're a carpenter.
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But they did mostly stone.
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They didn't build furniture.
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Nobody had furniture in those days.
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You ate on the floor with a rug.
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You didn't have stools, really.
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You have little things to sit on to milk your cows and stuff.
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But basically you didn't have anything.
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Only rich people had chairs and tables that were bigger than the floor.
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Even the last supper table was a very wealthy person because he had a table.
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But it was only about six inches tall.
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So you had to be on the floor to use it and you'd lean on your left side.
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So I watched him grow up.
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I just know that he had temptations like you and I.
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He had to deal with honest and dishonest people.
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He had to do bids for people.
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It's OK, I'll build your wall.
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I'll build your staircase, that rocks.
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I'll do it for a hundred bucks, you know, whatever it is.
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I'll do it for $10,000.
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Whatever your bid is, you come up with a way of how much you're going to charge him.
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And you have to get it done and get it done on time and get it done right.
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And so he was basically an entrepreneur with his dad.
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And his dad did not live throughout his whole life.
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And so he was on his own doing that.
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And so when you think him being the example, he was an example
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because he had to go through everyday problems.
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You know, he smashed his fingers sometimes and he got hurt.
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And he had stubbed his toe.
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I mean, he did things, but he he did not break a law when he did that.
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You know, if you were to smash your thumb with a hammer,
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there might be some things you'd think or say that might not be all that kind.
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But he didn't have that problem.
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He didn't do those things.
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So he stayed perfect.
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Well, he stayed sinless, I should say, because in Hebrews it says that
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he learned by the things which he suffered and being made perfect.
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He became the author of salvation.
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I don't know for all those that believe on him.
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And so even though he wasn't perfect in that he chiseled his first rock
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without flaws the first time, no, he didn't.
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Did he milk a cow the first time?
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Perfect. No.
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You know, did he did he make mud bricks or put that troops together?
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Perfect every time?
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No, he learned them, but he didn't sin.
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You know, to make a brick wrong isn't the sin.
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It's just you didn't make a right.
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So fix it.
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And so he he learned as he went and grew and became very good.
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He was always honest.
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And that's why it says that he grew, you know, in great, you know,
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stature with man and God, because he he obeyed the laws of the land.
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At the same time, he obeyed God because in those days he lived under the law of Moses.
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So he did everything that they did.
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With that and prayers and and the phylacteries that they wear on their wrist
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or on their forehead.
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And he did the things that normal people do.
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And then he followed the law of the land by waiting till he was 30 to become a rabbi.
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Of course, in those days, there were three levels of rabbi.
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There was rabbi, kind of like a bachelor's degree.
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And then rabbi, which is kind of like a master's degree.
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And rabbi, which is kind of like a master's degree.
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And rabboni, which is what he was called a rabboni, which is kind of like a doctorate
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degree in in how people respected you.
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And and then you could debate.
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And in those days, they debated all the time.
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Every rabbi would debate with the other rabbi.
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And that's how people learn how to follow the gospel.
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They didn't read it.
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You know, even though they had memorized it, how you knew how to follow what was
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what listening to the arguments or the debates of the rabbis and whoever had the
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best argument, you go with him.
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And since Christ never lost an argument, he had a big following.
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They followed him not because he was the savior.
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They followed him because he never lost.
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And so people said, well, this guy knows more about it, so I'm going to follow him.
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And so that was a common thing.
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You just don't hear about all the hundreds of other debates going on.
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You only hear about the one that he was involved in.
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So yeah, I got to watch that.
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And and of course, I got to watch the last supper.
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And everybody gets a big deal about this holy grail thing.
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The holy rail or the cup that he used for the sacrament was not saved.
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Nobody paid that much attention to it.
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And I'm allowed to tell you what it looks like.
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And it doesn't have a stem and it isn't made out of brass or gold.
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It is made out of either wood or clay.
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And it looks kind of like a finger bowl, you know, might be, I don't know,
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maybe four or five inches across, maybe six at the most somewhere in there.
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And not very deep, maybe an inch or two in deep, just a bowl without real,
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without a real bottom on it to sit there real stand.
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It kind of had one, but it just basically like a finger bowl that you can hold
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in your hand. So it's really simple, very common.
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But like I said, I can't tell you if it's made out of wood or clay,
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probably clay, but I can't answer that one.
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So then when they had the sacrament, then of course he goes and he ended up
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when he prayed in the garden against him.
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And I got to watch that.
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And there is no picture painted that looks like he really looked like there,
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especially when you have someone who's rolling in the dirt some from pain and
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he's bleeding everywhere. What do you think he'd look like when he came out of
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there? He wouldn't be nice and neat. He'd be pretty messy.
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And the time he was in there for a short time, he prayed, you know,
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take this cup from me, but that doesn't take very long.
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For three hours he prayed and what did he pray about? He prayed for you and me.
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And if you read that intercessory prayer that's in the 17th chapter of John,
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that's similar to what his prayer in the garden against him and he was.
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He was praying for us. He was praying for his apostles.
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He was praying for people to listen and, you know, that we'd open our hearts to him
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and be humble and be teachable like a child, like he says we should be.
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And so he just prayed for us.
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And that same attitude came when he was carrying his cross.
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What did he say to the women who were crying for him? He didn't say, Hey,
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thanks for crying for me. He says, weep not for me.
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Weep for you, your children, your children, children.
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He's always thinking about somebody, somebody else.
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And just for an FYI, the cross, we think of a cross like we see them
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everywhere and people wear around their necks or whatever.
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But the cross in those days that he was Chris Puttine was like a cat.
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And he was Chris Puttine was like a capital T.
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And the cross was actually the top part of the T, the top piece.
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Right. The other part is called the tree.
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And if you read in Isaiah, I think it is he.
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Anyway, Old Testament says he'll be crucified on a tree.
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And that was true because that vertical is a tree.
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And it was already in the ground with a pin, you know, a mortise and tenon joint.
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I don't know if you know what that is.
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Yes, there's a pin sticking out in the middle and a hole in the log
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and you stick through it. And that's how it stays together.
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And so he carried the cross, which was the cross piece, just that one part.
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But that thing weighs maybe 120, 150 pounds.
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Christ was a little taller than most of the people that are crucifying.
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So the two guards assigned to crucify him.
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They assigned two guards for each crucifixion.
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And they did it the way they wanted.
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And they'd get the nails.
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They'd get the make sure the cross was secure,
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that the tree was secure and the cross was ready.
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And they had to go cut a new tree to go in tall enough to put him on it.
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So he had a new tree and they don't hewn him down in nice little beams
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like you see crosses.
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There was just a log with chopped off branches and bark and everything.
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They're pretty rough and not too pretty.
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And because then that would scrape on them better and make them hurt more,
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which is what they wanted.
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And so his was a new one.
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So he's carrying this thing.
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Of course, a brand new one has more sap in it.
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So it's going to be kind of heavy.
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And he hadn't eaten or drunk or slept for a few days.
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So it was he was getting pretty tired.
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And that's why he had to have the other man carry it for him.
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And so he carries that to the cross, to Calvary,
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which was not on the top of the mountain, I'll buy them a little lonesome
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like all the paintings are.
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It was down by the highway on the foot, foot hill of Galgotha.
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Because that was considered on the hill of Galgotha.
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You only need to be a foot on it and you're on it.
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And so they were down by the traffic where people could
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ridicule them more and pick on them more, you know, maybe whip them with sticks
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or throw rocks at them easier.
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But their feet were maybe a foot off the ground.
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But they they nail you into the piece and then the guards will just pick
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that cross piece up and set it over the post and pick you up with that
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and set it over and then they nail your feet.
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They tie you most of the time you're tied because the nail won't hold.
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It will either come loose from an old cross that's had a thousand nails put in it.
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Or the nail head will pull through your flesh.
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The guards that did Christ, he had a they picked very large headed nails
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because each one was made, you know, custom made and they're square, kind of bumpy.
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So his heads were bigger.
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And in those days, when you think of the palm, we think of the part where
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your fingers are as the palm and down were the wrist, you know, down between
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the hand and the arm bones called the wrist.
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But in those days, both of them together were called the palm.
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And so when he had nails in his palm, that meant both of them.
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He had nails in both his wrist, well, as we see wrist and and his palm.
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They normally in a lot of these paintings are romantic.
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They have this nice little pad.
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They don't put those neat little pads to put your to put your hands on the palm.
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They don't put your feet on to put your feet on.
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They don't care.
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And generally the way your nails is through the side of your heel and the side of the post.
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So your your heel goes on each side of the post and then the nail goes through your heel into the post.
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And so your weight is standing on that edge of that nail and it's square.
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So now as you stand up and down, that rotates on that square nail.
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Now how fun would that be have that stuck through your your heel bone and you're racking up and down on it.
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But Christ was told it was prophesied that he would not have a broken bone.
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So they couldn't do that.
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And the other thing they did was they stick that nail right through that right through the center of your wrist.
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There's a little opening in there.
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But when you stick a nail that big and square, it's going to break bones as you stick it through the wrist.
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And so the Holy Ghost guided those two that crucified Christ so that they did not do that.
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They stuck the nail farther down toward the elbow just past the wrist bones between those two
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between your radius and that of your arm.
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So they still had the strength against your wrist and the ligaments that are there.
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the post so you're in a extremely uncomfortable position.
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And then they drove him between his toe bones underneath of his his ankle.
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So he was in a very terrible position, but his heads were big enough that they didn't pull through.
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So they didn't have to time with the rope like the other two.
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It was in a new piece, a new tree, so they had a good grip on the nail.
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So that he would stay there with just the nails and not a rope.
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They tied the other ones, but that tying was they did that to pretty well everybody.
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They tied them, but this time they didn't with Christ.
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And so he could he could then stay on the cross with those nails,
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great big heads like a roofing nail.
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When he's showing you all of this, is there any emotion either from you or him?
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Well, I don't know how to explain this.
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The whole time that I was in this experience, the power of Christ,
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that he got through his atoning sacrifice,
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because the atonement itself has no power, but it's the test that gave Christ the power.
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So Christ has the power that the atonement gave him.
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And it was that power that surrounded me the whole time I was there.
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It was like a big warm blanket on a cool day.
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And I was all just cuddled into this, this power of Christ.
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And so when I was watching this, there were some things that happened.
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Now, all the prophets in history have been prophesying of the atoning sacrifice of Christ.
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And so now here I am watching this.
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And as he carried the cross, I said myself, I said,
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this event is so big and so special and so sacred that I can't watch this.
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It's just too much.
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Again, Christ held my arm.
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No, you're going to watch.
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And I didn't watch him pass by me.
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I went with him like I was just going along with him wherever he was.
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That's where I was.
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And because I didn't interfere with anybody else, of course, it was so powerful and so sacred and so special.
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I thought that if I were to sit and watch all that, that it would just shred me up about how painful everything was.
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Because the Garden of Gethsemane was horrific for him.
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And then that same test that he got in the Garden of Gethsemane,
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returned while he was on the cross.
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And so not only did he have the pain of the nails, but he had the pain of what he had to gethsemane,
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which was suffering for our sins and the shortcomings and all the injustices for us.
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And so that was there with him on the cross as well.
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So it was way more painful for him than the two thieves.
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And so to watch it was just very humbling.
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It was so powerful and so sacred.
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Maybe it's because I could comprehend more of what was going to happen because of this.
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The joy that was going to come later, the resurrection for all of us.
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The chance to overcome this physical death by the resurrection as a result of the resurrection.
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As an atom all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
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So no matter who you are, how good or bad you are, you're going to get your body back.
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Because that was a deal that Adam did and you're not going to be paying for that.
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But now your sins, that's your problem.
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So the atonement then gives you a chance that through your obedience and repentance,
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that you can then become clean, that he will take away those sins and give you just reward for all the things that happen to you.
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Even stubbing your toe.
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I mean every little thing that happens to you that's bad, he will give you something to compensate for it.
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So someone cheats you, someone lies about you, like in my wife gets killed and my daughter gets all beat up.
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And she was scalped and her neck and her legs and she still suffers from it.
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They had to put her hair all back down again and glass came out of her head for months.
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And these kinds of things, it wasn't her fault and she's going to be compensated for that.
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And so when I knew these things, I had a broader idea of it and that's the same thing God would have had.
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He left him on the cross where he says, why is thou forsaken me?
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Because Christ had to decide to do that painful finish all by himself.
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He couldn't do it with any help.
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He had to choose on his own, using his agency to complete that massive test.
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I had this greater knowledge of it and I think that helped, but sure it was terrible to watch.
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But having him by me, he stood by me the whole time as a resurrected Lord and having that comforting blanket of the power that he had through the Atonement.
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Helped me watch this stuff with alertness and awareness that I could not miss anything.
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Wow. Was there a lot more before the end of your experience?
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Well, I saw him course his resurrection.
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I saw Mary at the tomb.
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Saw the apostles go to the tomb.
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I saw him meet his apostles and the time he spent with them and like Adam the fish, you know, throw your net over here.
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I got to see all those things and I got to watch him go around the world to the lost tribes of Israel and to the people here in the northern North American continent.
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And he went to a lot of people as a resurrected Lord to show himself to them as it had been prophesied to all these separate people who didn't know anything about the Holy Land much at all.
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They knew about Christ and they knew he was going to be born there.
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But, you know, they couldn't have Peter talk to them.
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They couldn't have Christ and his mortal life talk to him.
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And so prophets talked to them and then later he did as a resurrected Lord.
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That's amazing.
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I've talked to hundreds of people that have had near death experiences.
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Yours is definitely a one of a kind.
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And it's very humbling to hear.
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Is there anything else that you want to tell us before we move on?
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Because I want to hear about things like how long was your heart stopped and what was your recovery like and some of those things.
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Well, my heart.
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Yeah, go ahead and finish first and then we'll get to that.
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Yeah, my YouTube channel has a lot of answers to a lot of these things in detail.
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Talked by Christra Furlin Jensen, there's a lot of answers in there.
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I know you could talk for hours about all of this.
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Yeah, there's like 59 of them.
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So that's like, you know, 25 hours worth of talking.
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So you can go there.
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But perhaps I alluded earlier to the idea of what the Holy Ghost does.
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When he brings to your remembrance and teaches you all things.
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If you can imagine the writing of the first four Gospels.
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These people didn't walk around with a notepad writing down everything.
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And now they're gone.
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You know, now it's later on and all happened years ago.
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Yet they can sit down and write about it.
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How do they do that?
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Well, the Holy Ghost brings to your remembrance whatsoever I've said to you.
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So all the things that they happened, what they needed to write,
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the Holy Ghost would then bring it back fresh to their mind.
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And they could write down this, the things that they had discussed with Christ.
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Or the miracles or whatever it was from years ago.
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And the other thing is that when you, you know, you think about it,
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you think, well, how many people were, how many of the apostles read his birth?
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None of them.
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How many read his baptism?
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None of them.
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How many were up on the mountain when he was tempted?
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None of them.
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How many were in the temple when he went to talk to the people there?
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None of them.
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How many were there when the wise men showed up?
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None of them.
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But yet they could write about it.
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How many were down in the, in the trial, you know, with Caiaphas and Pilate and them?
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None of them.
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But yet they could write about it.
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So here you have the bring to remembrance of the things that they experienced.
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And then the teaching all things, which is what Holy Ghost did in teaching them things
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that they were not witness to.
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And when I started to write my book, I couldn't remember all this stuff.
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And he asked me to write the book.
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I said, okay, in short, what happened?
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I'll give you one example.
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I was, I was writing and he says, I want you to write the premortal existence and, you
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know, counsel all that in heaven.
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And I said, okay, I can do that.
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I've heard this story and I know where it is in the Bible and the scriptures.
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So I'm looking at it all up and, and then I went on for a while, you know, so I'm into
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this thing for a few days, about a week, I guess.
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And I says, okay, Lord, you asked me to write this thing.
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Why am I writing it?
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He says, because you experienced it, you saw it.
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And I says, I did.
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I don't remember.
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He goes, I know.
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And then I got to relive it.
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He showed it to me again.
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I got to see what happened and I got to have it known to me in ways that mortal communication
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does not compare.
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And so then I could write more as an eyewitness because I had the fresh memory of it placed
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there by the Holy Ghost.
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So he brought to my remembrance what God had shown me and told me.
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And so I got to have that happen over and over throughout the writing of this.
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And then, you know, I was trying to be careful not to write it screwed up.
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And so I prayed a lot about it to make sure I wrote it correctly.
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I didn't want to write it wrong.
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And I also, I made a deal with the Lord when he asked me to write it.
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Okay, Lord, I'm going to make a deal with you.
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Anyway, I said, I said, I don't want to write just a storybook about being dead.
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I need to document this.
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It has to be documented truth.
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I'm not going to just write a storybook.
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And he says, that's fine.
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And he showed me how to do that.
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So my book and what I talk about can be backed up with authoritative sources.
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Because it's history.
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It's in the scriptures.
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It's not stuff going to come in the future.
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And it's not how many bricks are in the roads in heaven made out of gold.
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You know, it's not that.
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It's about things that you already know about.
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And that makes me, I am to be an eyewitness of the life of Christ and an eyewitness of Christ.
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And I am to teach that and witness that to the people around me.
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And I am to teach that God the Father and the Son Jesus Christ, the Holy Ghost, are real and exist.
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I am to teach that the scriptures are true.
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And that if you follow them, you'll be exalted.
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So that's my three-fold mission.
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And I am to teach this and testify of it as an eyewitness to anybody that the Lord directs me to talk to.
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So.
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Well, you've just done that to a few thousand people here today.
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And we appreciate it.
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I always tell my story.
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I can do this and then you can still go on and ask all your questions.
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Because I, I, this is a testimony.
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It's not just a story.
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And so I, I bear my testimony in the name of Jesus Christ that these things are real and true.
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Thank you.
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There was something that you didn't mention and that is, so you saw a whole bunch of things that happened a long time ago.
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Yeah.
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You saw a little bit of current with some family members.
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Were you also shown anything in the future?
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If I was, I don't have remembrance of it.
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Okay.
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And he hasn't brought that to me.
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So I don't need it, I guess.
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I want to know a little bit about Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden and Noah.
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Okay.
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Oh, I can tell you a little bit about that.
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Here's something that people don't think about.
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But if you read in the scriptures, like in the book of, like in either Moses or Abraham or Genesis,
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when you read there, it's talks about God planting a garden eastward, eastward.
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Eastward in Eden.
463
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:45,720
God the Father and his son, Jehovah, went down personally and designed the Garden of Eden
464
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:52,720
and planted the bushes and trees and plants and flowers that they wanted planted where they wanted them planted.
465
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,720
It was so personal and so amazing.
466
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,720
I thought, are you kidding me?
467
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,720
That's how the Garden of Eden got planted?
468
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,720
You went down there and planted the seeds one at a time.
469
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,720
It was amazing to watch this planting out of the garden.
470
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:15,720
Let's put some trees over here and just put this flower over here and plant the seeds and then they grew.
471
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,720
So it was extremely personal, very careful.
472
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:24,720
And he really cared about what it was like and he cared about what Adam and Eve were going to live in.
473
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:33,720
And I thought, wow, if he's that personal with a garden, how personal can he be with me, with each of us?
474
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:44,720
And then one thing that happened really kind of special, Elohim, he escorted Adam into the garden.
475
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:52,720
So God the Father brings him in there, of course, Jehovah's there, but he brings him in the garden.
476
00:30:52,720 --> 00:31:02,720
We were there watching all this, you know, as spirits and there's animals and stuff around and nobody seemed to pay much attention to it.
477
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:10,720
But now Eve, okay, Adam is a name of a calling and it means first man.
478
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,720
Eve is a name of a calling and it means mother of all living.
479
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,720
It's not their name.
480
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:17,720
That's their calling.
481
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,720
Kind of like Christ is not his name.
482
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,720
It means the anointed one.
483
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,720
Messiah means the anointed one.
484
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,720
That's the Hebrew and Christ is the Greek.
485
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,720
And so Adam and Eve are names of callings, not names.
486
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:39,720
And so the name of the calling of Eve, what it means is mother of all living.
487
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:46,720
Well, that's a pretty big deal to be the one who actually produces the children, the offspring.
488
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,720
So when she was brought into the garden, everybody stopped talking.
489
00:31:51,720 --> 00:32:00,720
Everybody stood in reverence and showed great respect to the mother of all living as she was brought into the garden.
490
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,720
Now, another couple of things about the garden and the earth.
491
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:14,720
Right now I don't have time, but I have a video on it to discuss why, but the earth was tropical, the entire earth was tropical.
492
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:24,720
And so when they were kicked out of the garden and went into the lone and dreary world, they didn't leave this lush, beautiful green garden and go out into a desert.
493
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:31,720
They went out into a place of the planet where God was not.
494
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,720
And so lone and dreary means we're not, God is not with us now.
495
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,720
We can't just go high, go up and shake his hand, you know, he's not right there.
496
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:46,720
And so a lone and dreary world is a place where God is not going to be.
497
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:54,720
But there was something unique about the garden that the fact that Cain could speak with God.
498
00:32:54,720 --> 00:33:00,720
Now just imagine, here he is, this bad guy can have a conversation with God.
499
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,720
Of course, this was Jehovah at the time.
500
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:11,720
As long as the garden was there and all the people were there, anyone who wanted to could go to the garden and talk to God.
501
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,720
But they weren't all that righteous, so they didn't do it.
502
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,720
But anybody could go talk to God in those days.
503
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:24,720
And even with that kind of a power and access, they still went wicked.
504
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:31,720
And then when the flood came, it took it all away and that didn't happen anymore because now the garden was gone.
505
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:36,720
Yeah, it's amazing how they got to live then and still went bad.
506
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,720
Now, let's see, what was the other thing you asked about the Ark?
507
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,720
Yeah, you had mentioned Noah.
508
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,720
So what the heck, tell me about the Ark.
509
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,720
Okay.
510
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:52,720
Well, the Ark was not as pretty as all these pictures that everybody finds.
511
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,720
Come on.
512
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,720
It's not this beautiful contoured bowed boat.
513
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,720
It's a shoebox.
514
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,720
It's the best way I can describe it.
515
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,720
A great big boxy barge.
516
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,720
Well, it wasn't built for speed.
517
00:34:09,720 --> 00:34:11,720
It was just built to float.
518
00:34:11,720 --> 00:34:14,720
It was built to hold as many animals as it can get in it.
519
00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:19,720
And if you make a point about, you've cut out a mass amount of space.
520
00:34:19,720 --> 00:34:22,720
You have people say, oh, we found the Ark.
521
00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:28,720
Well, as it always goes, Satan always wants his counterfeits.
522
00:34:28,720 --> 00:34:35,720
When Christ was here, believe it or not, there were a lot of other people walking around saying, I'm Christ.
523
00:34:35,720 --> 00:34:40,720
And he says, you know, if someone says, low here is Christ, low there is Christ, believe them not.
524
00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:44,720
Well, there were a lot of false Christs.
525
00:34:44,720 --> 00:34:47,720
So then people had to decipher which one was real.
526
00:34:47,720 --> 00:34:48,720
And here is the same thing.
527
00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:53,720
Every time God does something, Satan tries to mess it up like the Egypt.
528
00:34:53,720 --> 00:35:00,720
You know, when they're leaving Egypt and the plagues, Satan tries to imitate it or get his own version.
529
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:05,720
And so other people were building Ark saying, hey, this is the one.
530
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:06,720
You'll come to me.
531
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:13,720
And so there were a lot of these that, and I assume that some of these that they're finding are probably, you know,
532
00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:20,720
might be left over from these fake arcs, you know, the bad ones.
533
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:21,720
I can't answer that.
534
00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:23,720
They might have all deteriorated.
535
00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:25,720
But if they're frozen, maybe they're still around.
536
00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:27,720
But that's not the real Ark.
537
00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:32,720
The real one was just a big box, looked like a shoe box.
538
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:40,720
Then when you get out of the flood, when you finally can get out, how many trees you think you're going to have around big enough to build a house?
539
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:41,720
Zero.
540
00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:42,720
How much are you going to have around?
541
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:43,720
You're not going to have much.
542
00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:49,720
So when they wanted to build something, they had ready supplies.
543
00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:50,720
It's called an Ark.
544
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:55,720
And they could disassemble that boat and make themselves glorings.
545
00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:58,720
And so the real Ark was disassembled.
546
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:02,720
And I think the reason for that is so we would not find it.
547
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:10,720
Because God's Word and God's truth is not verified by scientific, quote unquote, proof.
548
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:20,720
It's verified by the deeper scientific proof we call the Holy Ghost and having a broken heart and contrite spirit.
549
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:25,720
That is just as much as scientific test as any other that we have.
550
00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:31,720
It's just done in your heart and mind and in your will and attitude.
551
00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:38,720
And so I think that's probably why they disassembled it so that you would not have physical evidence of the Ark.
552
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:44,720
So that you would believe in the flood in the Ark by another means, which is actually more powerful.
553
00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:46,720
Well, that makes sense.
554
00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:49,720
And also the practical side of it makes a lot of sense.
555
00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:50,720
They needed the lumber.
556
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:51,720
Okay.
557
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:53,720
Yeah, the lumber was there and they had it.
558
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:54,720
Yeah.
559
00:36:54,720 --> 00:37:02,720
And in the days of the days of, I should say, building this Ark, it took them 120 years because, you know, they didn't have cranes.
560
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:05,720
There was no Home Depot around the corner.
561
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:07,720
It was a little tougher for them to build things.
562
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:08,720
Yeah.
563
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:13,720
And to make it all fit together by hand, it was a lot of work.
564
00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:18,720
But the earth was tropical in that there were large trees growing.
565
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:23,720
There were a lot of plants around and chopped down to build this thing.
566
00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:26,720
So it's not quite like what you see today.
567
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:33,720
You know, like if you were to go back to, say, back east where they have these huge oak trees that are really tall,
568
00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:41,720
that's more like what they were dealing with, these giant oak trees, not like the ones they have in the west that are scrub oak.
569
00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:46,720
And you couldn't get a yardstick out of them because it's too crooked.
570
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:51,720
They had very large trees that they could cut down and make into the Ark.
571
00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:53,720
But yeah, it got torn apart.
572
00:37:53,720 --> 00:38:00,720
And also understand that he brought in the kinds of animals, the different types.
573
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:05,720
But that doesn't mean, see, we have like as an example, dogs.
574
00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:12,720
How many breeds of dogs do we have today compared to even 100 years ago, or 500 years ago?
575
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:16,720
We have way more breeds now because they keep crossbreeding the dogs.
576
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:21,720
And so he didn't need to bring every single kind of dog there was in the world.
577
00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:23,720
There's one, there weren't all there then.
578
00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:27,720
But all you need is the starting of them.
579
00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:34,720
And then they can crossbreed in time and make other animals.
580
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:36,720
That all makes sense.
581
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:39,720
And I'll bet it didn't smell great.
582
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:41,720
But I don't want to get into all that.
583
00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:42,720
Wouldn't that be great?
584
00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:44,720
Oh, man.
585
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:49,720
Yeah, it wouldn't be a good smelling, gigantic shoebox as you put it.
586
00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:54,720
Well, now you've taken all the romance out of the whole Noah story for me.
587
00:38:54,720 --> 00:39:00,720
Anyway, Ralph, it has been such an absolute pleasure to speak with you today.
588
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:04,720
Any one last thing that you'd like to leave for our listeners?
589
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:16,720
Oh, well, just understand that our Father in heaven, his son, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are real.
590
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:18,720
They're three separate individuals.
591
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:24,720
The Father has a body like Christ, which is a flesh and bones.
592
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:30,720
But the Holy Ghost has a person as a spirit so he can testify to us and dwell in us.
593
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:32,720
But all three are real.
594
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:33,720
They all exist.
595
00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:35,720
They're not a fairy tale.
596
00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:37,720
And they do love us.
597
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:41,720
God the Father is our Father, Father of our spirits.
598
00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:48,720
And He gives us the power to procreate children here on earth.
599
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:50,720
And these things are real.
600
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:52,720
The scriptures are true.
601
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:56,720
You need to study them every day and become familiar with them.
602
00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:03,720
And then stay humble, stay teachable, open your heart, learn of Him.
603
00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:07,720
And the only way you can really know it is have the Holy Ghost whisper to you.
604
00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:13,720
And I have had the Holy Ghost whisper to me that these things are true and real.
605
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:17,720
And the experience that I had is real.
606
00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:19,720
It is a true story.
607
00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:23,720
My book and this talk is a true account.
608
00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:32,720
I have a real event that happened that I got to have, which I never thought I would have with our Savior.
609
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:36,720
He is a loving, caring, wonderful person.
610
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:42,720
And I had a great time with Him and you will too, when you let Him in your life
611
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:47,720
and have the Holy Ghost witness to you that these things are true.
612
00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:49,720
Ralph Jensen, thank you so much.
613
00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:54,720
Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast.
614
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:57,720
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615
00:40:57,720 --> 00:41:00,720
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616
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:03,720
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617
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:09,720
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618
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:38,720
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619
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