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From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.
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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.
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And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my
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physical body because I was somewhere else.
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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
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anything else to be felt.
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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.
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I'm back home again.
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Incredibly safe and felt at home.
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Welcome, welcome to RoundTripDeath everybody.
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And please, please give a big smile and welcome for our special guest today, Randy K.
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How are you, Randy?
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I'm great, Eric, and thank you for having me.
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Well, you're welcome.
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I've been trying to get you on the show for a while and we finally lucked out and got
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a little hole in your schedule.
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You are a busy man.
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Would you mind telling us a little bit about you before we get going?
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Yes.
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Well, we're both busy and I think most people tend to be that way.
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I won't go back to childhood if you don't mind.
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I won't go back that far.
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I aspired toward a career in business and medicine.
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So I was a bit strange in that way.
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And I was an agnostic, by the way, in my youth.
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I went to Northwestern University.
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I was an agnostic at that point, tried to disprove all religions.
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That's how ardent or militaristic I was in my agnosticism.
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So anyway, I graduated from there, went on to work for Proctor and Gamble in Cincinnati,
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Ohio, right out of school, fondly called P&G or Proctor and God.
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And we were in a very straight-laced environment to be raised in a corporate environment.
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And then I was part of a startup of a healthcare division in that company.
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Now, apart from anything they'd done previously, but then I knew from my work with P&G that
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the model really was Johnson & Johnson.
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They were the largest healthcare company in the world.
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So I jumped ship and I went on board with Johnson & Johnson, spent much of my career
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there and then kind of caught the entrepreneurial bug.
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I came down to San Diego and then I worked with a company as a corporate operations director
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for a company called the Lawn Pharmaceuticals.
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At that time, it was the fastest growing pharma company in the world.
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We were launching an Alzheimer's drug that would be a potential cure and our scientists
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were on all of the major networks and we were out in Washington, D.C. We were on the front
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cover of Time Magazine.
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It was a big deal.
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And then we had some patients in last late stage clinical trials who developed encephalitis,
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which is a swelling in the brain.
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And so the FDA recalled that drug.
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Well, immediately overnight, we lost millions of dollars and much of our savings.
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And so I went over to a biotech company.
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I was a CEO of a biotech company and spent some time there and anyone that's aware of
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that kind of motor supper on day with a startup, you have to raise money.
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And so I was doing dog and pony shows around the country and eventually I had to raise
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about $80 million and it sounds outrageous, but that's kind of how it goes in that environment.
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I decided to divest the company and we had invested much of our resources, remaining
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resources into that company.
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So I worked then in the cardiovascular space.
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I went from neurology to cardiovascular and minimally invasive heart surgery at a clinical
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team.
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We went in and we taught surgeons how to not crack the chest.
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They could do it through ports and they could perform valve replacements and the patient
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could be out within a matter of a couple of days as opposed to weeks.
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From that, I went into consultancy and still worked for that company, but long story short,
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that's where it leads into the near death experience is that I went out to try to join
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my alma mater, Johnson & Johnson, and I was eventually offered that job.
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But what happened is after coming back from the series of interviews, I ended up waking
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up in San Diego or home overnight at three o'clock in the morning.
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My calf was swollen.
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I couldn't walk down the stairs.
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I foolishly tried to bicycle up the coast thinking I had maybe a muscle strain.
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I should have known better.
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That exacerbated the condition I had.
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It was a straight road and it seemed like an incline and I would be dead in a matter
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of just a few hours.
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Wow.
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Because you had this scientific background, you mentioned you were agnostic, but really,
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did you believe in God and an afterlife at this point of your life before your experience?
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I did believe in God.
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I remember staring out the window, my window, looking out at the sky and saying to this
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unknown God, if you're out there, I need to know you more than pages in the book.
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I had some, I have to be honest, I had some hostility toward Christians and other religious,
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I call them zealous at the time.
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But eventually, I had a severe accident, which the reports, and this was in Cincinnati, on
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the news where there was a fatality and the fatality was me and they had to correct the
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news that I had survived.
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The car was just completely crushed.
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I was in a coma, when I was in a semi-coma for a few weeks and I remember, I could just
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stare at the ceiling when I came to.
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I think that incident really changed me.
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And oddly enough, it opened me to this unknown God.
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And so, eventually, I walked into a church, which was like, to me, that would be like
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a parting of the waters, you know?
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That was a miracle.
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Full miracle.
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A personal miracle.
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Yes.
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And then I prayed and I became a Christian.
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So I became the person I, well, I'll say it, I'm the person I hated.
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But I didn't, Eric, I didn't believe in near-death experiences.
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I was as ardently because of the scientific kind of foundation and how my mindset was,
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I thought they were contrived.
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I thought they were either imagined or there was some other explanation.
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But I didn't set out to disprove NDE years like I did a lot of religious people or Christians.
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But I still, anytime, you know, I saw something, an article or whatever, I thought it was just
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imaginary.
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So let's do this.
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Let's go back to this day that you went for the bike ride.
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This was the day and I'm going to give kind of a spoiler alert here.
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We have a pulmonary embolism coming up.
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So what are the symptoms of that?
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What were your symptoms and did you have any idea what was coming?
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Well, it's a good question because I think this will be helpful to people in general
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because I was a normally healthy individual, exercised.
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But pulmonary embolism essentially is a blood clot.
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The longer you let it go, especially if you go exercising like I did and bicycling up
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the coast, the more pressure you put on the calf, the more pressure blood flows, pushes
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from the calf to the upper leg.
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The vessels get larger.
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Therefore the blood clots get larger.
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And by the time I was in the emergency room having collapsed, there were seven of them.
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And they had occluded, that is they had stopped the blood flow into the lungs because the
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pulmonary artery is the main artery or the artery for blood flow to the lungs.
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So when we say a deep vein thrombosis, which is usually in the calf, that's a blood clot
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in the calf.
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When we say pulmonary emboli, emboli being plural because there are several clots, that
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means it's in the valve, blocking the valve to the lungs.
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So it's the third leading cause of death.
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There was a patient who came in previously in the morning who died from this lesser case
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than mine.
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The doctor came in after the test, D dimer, which is tests blood clotting, CAT scan and
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so forth.
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And he said, you were a walking dead man.
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We just haven't seen somebody at the severity of what you have who has survived.
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And they were going to helicopter me to a specialist who had opened, cracked the chest
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and tried to remove the clots, but they decided I would be dead by that time.
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So it was kind of a wait and see that pumped with heavy doses of anticoagulants, blood
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thinners that would eventually cause some bleeding in the brain.
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And then of all things, I contracted MRSA.
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There was a patient next to me who had MRSA.
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And the MRSA exacerbated my condition, so I was blood clotting now throughout my body.
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For example, the doctor came in to draw blood from my arm and could not do so.
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It was like a traffic jam of clots now through my body.
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So I was literally at that point at a state in which there was no viable way or no interventional
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way for me to survive.
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So what did you do?
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I mean, you're there in the hospital.
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Did you have family around?
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Were you saying goodbye?
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Or did it all just happen too fast?
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It happened very fast, Eric.
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And I called my wife and I said, this is serious.
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I mean, that's when I could speak because there was a point in which I couldn't speak,
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of course.
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I had to have the intubation.
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And I knew that having been in the medical field that there was a likelihood that I would
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succumb to this.
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And I was on the bed and I was just in a state of panic at that point.
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And eventually as this was progressing and progressing to the point of non-viability,
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I started flopping around on the bed like a fish out of water.
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I was out of control.
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My entire body was giving out and just fighting to survive.
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And then I went still.
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And I was still on the bed, the reason I can tell you I was still is because immediately
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after that happened, I felt like a tugging at my shirt, my hospital gown.
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And that's what it was.
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Like it felt like that.
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And I felt that was the, I didn't know at the time, I feel now that it was my spirit
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coming out of my body.
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And I could see my body, my still body.
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My first thought was, well, this is strange because the prior thought was I was out of
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control and now I was looking down and I was being pulled up.
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I know that sounds cliche, but there was a light and it was pulling me up at a rapid
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pace and then it was somewhat galactical in what I was looking at.
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Again, I'm a scientifically minded person, so this is all, I'm on the ride now.
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I'm not able to interpret any of it, but then I'm in a space that is very different.
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It's not heaven.
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It's a space just that was more the next phase of this journey faded.
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There was a faded background of hills and then there were figures on either side.
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There were, again, this sounds fantastical, but they were gargantuan in size.
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And on the right side, that light was shining on them as it was on me and they were battling
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over these figures on the left side, which were also very tall and very gangly.
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And I thought, well, I didn't think, I thought, I am on this ride and I don't know what's
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going on.
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I was seeing these things and I had impressions from what was going on and I believe I was
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in the place of spiritual warfare looking back.
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Much of what I've been able to assimilate, Eric, has been from my having to digest what
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I was observing versus in the moment I was just taking it in.
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Sure.
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And this was how many years ago?
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Well right now, it's almost 19 years ago, so it's been a while.
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So you've had a lot of time to digest it.
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Mm-hmm.
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You've had a lot of time to digest it.
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For 14 years, I did not share it at all.
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I didn't want to share it.
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I would not share it.
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That's so typical.
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Yes.
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Yeah, that is very typical.
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I have a couple of questions up to this point.
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First of all, the warfare thing I don't hear about a lot when I interview people.
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Do you have an idea of who was at war and why?
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I believe I was in the angelic realm.
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Again, looking back on this, a lot of study and prayer and what have you, as you said,
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it takes a lot of time, years, oftentimes to digest the reality of what was this all
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was.
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It's not defined by any clinical studies or the like.
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And I think I saw warfare over my soul.
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I just understand that, if you will, that when I went into this experience, I was at
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a point of consternation.
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That is, I had some serious doubt about God.
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I had lost my finances.
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I went from having a nice home in San Diego near the ocean.
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I had thought I achieved success.
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I'd been promoted 14 times within the corporate arena.
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I was heading up operations and it was virtually lost overnight.
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And then my daughter suffered strokes.
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And so I was paying on average about $1,000 a day, sometimes upwards of $5,000 a day for
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her treatment.
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So it's just the perfect storm.
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So my wife and I were in a coffee shop and we were drowning our sorrows in lattes.
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And we were talking about this, how we went from the pinnacle to the actual dump yard.
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And I said, well, at least we have our health.
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And she saw me in a crisis of faith.
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Because she said, where's God?
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I said, where is he?
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I cried out.
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I prayed.
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Where is he?
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And so that was a crisis of faith.
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But I said to her, finally, I want to end with this, Eric.
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I said, at least we have our health.
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Two weeks later, I was dead.
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So another thing that a lot of people tell me, and then we're going to keep moving on,
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I'm sorry to slow you down a little bit with your story.
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But is some people, as they are leaving their body in a hospital room?
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Yes, some go straight through this tunnel.
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Some immediately are in some other place.
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Some hang around in that room.
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And they're like up in the corner of the room, watching what's happening to their body.
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It sounds like you had a little bit of that before you moved on.
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If so, tell us, what did it feel like when you're looking down and seeing your body that
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now the heart has stopped?
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And honestly, Eric, I didn't feel much of anything.
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I mean, I was just in a state where I had been kind of a control freak, if you will.
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And now I had to give it up.
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I mean, I was forced to give it up.
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I was just in a state not of a reasoning mind as I would try to reason everything to one
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of just taking it in and trying to assimilate it in some fashion.
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So especially in the place I was, I think there was something going on, a battle over
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the rise of my soul, because there were times when I would fear and be anxious.
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And there were other times where I had peace and joy.
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And so I think that had to do with the warring that was going over the rights to speak into
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my soul.
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I can't express it any other way.
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That's after the fact, of course, but at the time it was happening, I was just looking
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at this bizarre, these bizarre figures in this space that I couldn't really put together
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in the context of our world.
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I was just viewing it.
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I was watching it.
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But I knew that I had this, I still had an inkling of faith left.
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And so I cried out the name of Jesus.
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I mean, this was not just a tempered cry.
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I mean a full-fledged, desperate cry of Jesus.
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I just said his name.
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And immediately I was just pulled, yanked, and I was cheek to cheek with this figure.
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And I could feel the bristles on his cheek, or my cheek, excuse me.
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And I dropped to my knees.
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The first thought I had was, so this is love.
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So this is love.
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I knew love is an emotion, had loving family members and friends.
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But this was different.
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That was a person of love.
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And I was like, I just started sobbing.
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I was like a wet rag.
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He reached down, turned around, reached down and pulled me up gently.
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He turned me face to face with him.
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And I looked into the eyes of love.
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And they tunneled into every dark place within me, illuminating me with the love of Jesus.
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And all of my doubts evaporated.
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All was a perfect peace.
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And I thought, I rejected him.
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I knew him.
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I didn't know him.
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I rejected him once.
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I rejected him twice.
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And he leaned over in my right ear.
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He whispered two words.
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He whispered, trust me.
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And certainly I had never been a trusting person.
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I had always had to prove things, including God.
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And those two words said everything to me.
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And they still speak to me to this day.
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And then he took me on a journey of my life.
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I went through a series of life reviews.
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And we started as early as when I was a little boy watching at a wake of my uncle Carlisle.
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And then he walked me through my childhood.
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And then he walked me through what happened to cause my agnosticism.
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He showed me what that event was.
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And I can tell you if you'd like me to share that.
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And then he walked me through to the point where I was prior to rejecting him again and
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saying, you know, you've abandoned me, God.
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And each time.
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So here's the thing, Eric, is that every time I failed, every time I just, I mean, really
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failed, that those failures didn't condemn me.
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They just reflected the grace of Jesus, the grace of God in all of those times.
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In other words, he wasn't trying to, you know, shame me.
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He was showing me how he kind of weaved together my life to bring me to that point where I
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could see the God of love.
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And it was the most amazing journey because the life reviews, they weren't like watching
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a movie theater, the screen.
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They were real.
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I was there.
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And each of those events in these sequence of events that he had called out, called CULLED
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out to show me why I was the way I was, how I became the person I was.
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And it was incredible.
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I was seeing not just every facet of my life, but the ones that were chosen somehow to reveal
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God's redemptive plan.
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There's no way else I can explain it.
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I'd like to know exactly what you're feeling as you're going through that because you're
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feeling his love.
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But didn't some of these experiences have you feeling guilt, shame, some of those kinds
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of emotions as well?
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Not really.
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No.
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I mean, I thought I would think before going into this that it would cause shame or guilt.
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But I just, I felt overwhelmingly that he wanted to forgive me more than I wanted to
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forgive myself.
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He wanted to save me more than I wanted to save myself.
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And it was incredible.
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I expected Eric to be judged and judged according to my sins because, again, I had doubted
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him.
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I had multiple occasions.
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I had persecuted Christians.
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I got them off campus.
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I was really ardently against anyone who was a religious nature.
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So no, I didn't feel that way.
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I never felt that way.
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And that, looking back, absolutely shocked me.
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That first thought that I had being cheek to cheek with him was, so this is love.
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So this is love.
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And I've experienced love with family and friends, whatever, but this was consummate
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love.
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This was the person of love.
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And so therefore I did not feel condemn.
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I felt like I was, I was just loved through all of my failures because he knew my heart.
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I want to talk about this love.
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Someone that hasn't felt it, but they have felt some other kind of love in their life,
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a love of a spouse, a love of a new baby, things like that.
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How can you compare this?
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I ask people all the time, explain this love to me, even though it's inexplainable, try
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to put it into words.
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Explain the impossible.
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Well, I could explain the greatest superlative or the greatest love experience we've had,
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whether it be a love of a parent or a love of a spouse or a love of a child, whatever
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it is, multiplied by thousands of times.
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And it would be minuscule, minuscule.
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It would be like trying to explain the color blue.
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It was the person of love was the first time and only time I have met love.
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And I mean met the person of love.
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So when we say love, God is love or, you know, that there's this presence that is love, I
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think it somewhat demeans it.
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That is God, the God or the God of love.
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I think the closest comparison I could have to what that felt like was that I was the
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most important person in the world.
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It was like, and that's how I felt.
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I felt like, I knew that God was looking over millions of people, but I felt like I was
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the only one that mattered.
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I was the only one he cared about.
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I felt like I was the cast me out.
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I was the end all be all.
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I felt like I was it.
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And it wasn't an eotistical feeling.
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I just felt like I was what this was all about.
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And I knew it was for everyone else that God felt that way.
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But I felt that I was the most special person in the world.
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And I've never felt that way with anyone.
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I've never felt that degree of exclusivity, absolute devotion, absolute attention, absolute,
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unfettered.
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You know, people say, I love you and they've got, they're thinking of 10 different things.
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He was thinking just of me, just of me and me exclusively.
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And I know that happens for everyone.
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But that's how I felt.
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I was the most special person in the world.
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It's hard to comprehend.
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All right.
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Everybody's going to be curious and you probably get this question a lot.
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You saw him face to face.
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What did he look like?
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Yeah, that's probably the most common question.
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And I hesitate to answer that because that's not what he was about, but I'll, I'll, I'll
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try to.
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And I totally get that.
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And I almost hate to ask it.
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I'm just trying to ask what's on people's minds.
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Absolutely.
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I know.
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And that's, that's important to try to answer.
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So this, this light was emanating from him.
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Brilliant light.
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And I believe because I was a spirit body at that point, I could, I wouldn't, I wouldn't
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be destroyed by that light because I had, I could, the light penetrated through me and
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it was immense and it was powerful.
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And yet there was the figure that I could see.
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I began with the eyes because that's what impressed me the most.
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They were what I would, what I term now the colors of the ocean.
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You know how the light refracts against the water, especially the ocean.
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And it can be browns and blues and greens and beautiful colors.
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And that's how I explained his eyes.
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I know people get mired in blue, brown, black, whatever.
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They were a mix of colors in an effervescence that was unlike any person I've ever met.
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And there was of course the beard and there was the middle eastern look, kind of the nose
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was a bit crooked and long.
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The hair was long about shoulder length.
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And there was a little bit of a hair, a piece of hair, his hair over the ear.
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It was, it was wavy.
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He was about, about my height.
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I'm six feet.
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So who was about, if we're at parody, he was about six feet.
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And then there were the hands.
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Now there was an impartation through the head, that hug.
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Oh, oh, oh.
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You must miss that.
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Oh, I miss it to the end, I long for it every single day, Eric.
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I long for it every single day.
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I miss him.
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I miss him so, so much because he wouldn't let go.
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He wouldn't let go.
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I was sobbing.
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I was crying even now.
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I'm just the after effect, you know, almost 20 years, 19 years.
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And it was so powerful.
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And yet he hung on to me.
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And I knew he would hold on to me.
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And there was a time when we were walking in heaven that he told me I was going to return.
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So I had these vignettes of, that were amazing.
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He showed me when I gave up on, well, I didn't give up on God.
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I just, well, he showed me when I turned against him.
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And then he showed me so many different vignettes, living waters and, and the people.
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And I saw this, I don't know if you want me to talk about this, Eric, but I saw these
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I saw a woman.
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I'll, I'll leave it with this.
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But so there was this woman who was painting this brilliant landscape.
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Absolutely brilliant.
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I mean, of heaven, of heaven, the undulating waters, like, like thousands of millions of
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melted diamonds, trees growing before me and all of the fragrances beautiful and flowers,
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colors of a different varieties.
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Anyway, all of this is going on.
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She was painting this landscape.
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And I asked Jesus, I said, well, what, she's a master artist.
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She's like, she could put to shame the master artist, you know, that we can, we would think
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of in this world.
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And he told me that it wasn't that way in this world.
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She didn't have a mastery of art, that maybe she was a step above my artistic ability,
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which is one step above stick figures.
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But she certainly wasn't a master artist.
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But in heaven, what he told me is that she always wanted to paint loved art, even though
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she wasn't a good artist on earth, the mastery of her desire, her love of art came to its
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greatness in heaven.
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And that was, that was true of everyone.
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I knew it implicitly.
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I loved to write and I don't consider myself a great writer, but I love to write.
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I was trained in writing and journalism.
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My first job actually was in journalism.
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And I felt like I could write a masterpiece that would rival Shakespeare in heaven.
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That's just, I felt, and I felt like the person I always wanted to be.
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I felt like I was perfected in heaven to the point where the person I always wanted to
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be was in heaven.
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And that was absolutely incredible.
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And I realized during the journey that I was essentially seeing through the eyes of Jesus
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because I was loving people more.
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I was seeing things with greater wisdom or understanding.
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And all of these things were the cumulative effect of that impartation that I felt initially
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that was that light from Jesus that illuminated every dark place within me.
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And now, now, I was at home.
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And this was home.
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This, I still to this day, I consider that place home.
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I'm like an alien, I feel like, in this world.
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You keep answering my questions before I ask them.
479
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,480
I was just going to ask you that very thing.
480
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,160
Did it feel like home or did you feel like an outsider and thank you for the perfect
481
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,160
answer?
482
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,440
Before we move on, tell me what else you're seeing.
483
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:09,840
Did you see other people?
484
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,800
Did you see beautiful landscapes?
485
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,080
What are you seeing here?
486
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,520
I felt, yes, I felt a lot of them.
487
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,280
The artist was one example.
488
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:18,440
I saw all over.
489
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,000
I saw them traveling from abodes.
490
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:25,440
I saw them nestling with animals of all varieties.
491
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:32,120
I saw including lions and what were, you know, they weren't feasting on prey.
492
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,160
They had a gentle nature about them.
493
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,160
In fact, there was one instance where I was bullied when I was a child.
494
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:42,000
I was severely bullied and I was sick, sickly, a sickly child.
495
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,280
I was in and out of the hospital.
496
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,560
So I was very, and I stuttered and I was overweight.
497
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:53,360
Anyway, I had this little dog, Casey, and Casey was my savior.
498
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,280
I had no friends as a child growing up.
499
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:04,880
And my parents gave me this little fox terrier, Casey, and he was my only friend, really,
500
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,280
growing up in grade school and junior high school.
501
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,680
And so he had passed away when I was in college.
502
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:17,360
He was jumping up and down.
503
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,440
And there was Casey.
504
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,480
It was Casey.
505
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:27,680
And Jesus said, see, I give you the desires of your heart.
506
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:32,960
And I spent a little time with Casey, held him and then set him down and he ran through
507
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,960
some pastures into those flowers.
508
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,960
And this river was running all through heaven.
509
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:48,960
And then there was an occasion, and Jesus was by my side the whole time, the entire time,
510
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,240
when he wasn't by my side.
511
00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:54,640
He was across the river.
512
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,640
He was holding these two bottles.
513
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,360
They looked like flask full of water.
514
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,760
And these rivers were just pristine, crystal clear.
515
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,280
And I didn't know what that was about.
516
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:13,320
So I asked him and he said, I've been collecting your tears during your life.
517
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:20,680
And then what he did next, he took them and he poured out those waters.
518
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:25,440
I'll call them living waters into the stream.
519
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:31,880
And then he came by my side and I felt compelled to reach down into the waters.
520
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:37,440
And so I reached into these waters that he poured my tears into.
521
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:48,000
And I drank them and I was so full of life and joy and overflowing, overflowing everything
522
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,000
that's positive.
523
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:55,680
And it's immense joy and then he did something which was incredible.
524
00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:00,640
He reached down and he did the same and he baptized me.
525
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,200
He poured the water over my head.
526
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,840
It's the most amazing thing.
527
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,400
The refreshment.
528
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,480
It came from those living waters that just seemed to flow through me.
529
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,280
I could feel, I could feel it in my body.
530
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,520
It wasn't just the top of my head, like we would pour water.
531
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,200
I could actually feel them infused through my body.
532
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,760
It was the most amazing sense.
533
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,440
It was the most amazing sense.
534
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,480
And I'll just end with this, Eric.
535
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:43,840
You talked about being at home and I feel like heaven is more real than this world.
536
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,760
Heaven is more real than this world.
537
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:46,760
I know it.
538
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,800
I know it's more real than this world.
539
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:49,800
How did it end?
540
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,280
Were you told to go back?
541
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:54,280
Yes.
542
00:37:54,280 --> 00:38:05,440
Yes, I was in one of those fields and a butterfly rested on my left shoulder.
543
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,720
And I knew everything in heaven was intentional.
544
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:09,720
There's nothing happenstance.
545
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:13,520
Everything has purpose to it.
546
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:20,440
And so I asked Jesus about that and he said that the butterfly, which rests beautiful
547
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:27,440
butterfly by the way, just iridescent in multiple colors, he said that butterfly represents
548
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:32,080
wisdom that will guide you when you return.
549
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:33,840
He was telling me that I would return.
550
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,320
And it was the first time I really lost my peace.
551
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:43,480
And I so much wanted him to say to me when I came there, well done, my good and fifth,
552
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,240
in the Bible, I so much wanted him to say something like that.
553
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:50,520
But he was saying I had to return.
554
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:56,800
I felt like a little kid who woke up on Christmas Day and looked at his presence and was told
555
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:57,800
to go back to bed.
556
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:05,560
I just was absolutely distraught that I would leave my home.
557
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,960
And then I asked him for a blueprint.
558
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,760
Now I was a type A person.
559
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,120
I planned out five, 10 years ahead.
560
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,440
So I asked him for the plan for my life.
561
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:19,960
And he refused me.
562
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:28,080
He said if I were to give you, show your life, you would not remain dependent upon me.
563
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:35,160
And then he said moment by moment, I will reveal your purpose to you.
564
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:41,280
Really transform me not just there in heaven, but to this very day.
565
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:46,280
Because now I'm not looking for the next wrong that leads to the next wrong and so forth.
566
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,600
I'm not doing any of that.
567
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,880
I'm totally, I'm in a ministry.
568
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,080
I'm Randy King ministries.
569
00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:02,880
I am focused to by and large, my stinking thinking gets in the way sometimes.
570
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,400
But by and large, I'm focused in the moment.
571
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:12,920
So I'll see somebody in the grocery store and I'll say, Lord, I have a prompting.
572
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,560
Should I pray for that person?
573
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,600
And then I'll pray or I'll talk to that person.
574
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,400
I see them and I see them over a homeless person.
575
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:27,320
I'll go buy a hot dog or whatever and go over there and ask about their life or whatever.
576
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,360
This is so antithetical to the way I used to be.
577
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,160
But it was his instruction to me at that point.
578
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:40,160
He said moment by moment, I will reveal your purpose to you.
579
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,880
And that's for the most part, the way I live.
580
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:45,880
It's changed everything.
581
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,280
And the other, where the two words he spoke to me, trust me.
582
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:50,760
You were already a good person.
583
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,600
It obviously made you a better person.
584
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,480
What else changed personally?
585
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:02,520
A lot of people that I speak to that have had NDEs, they change careers.
586
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,680
Unfortunately, a lot of them change spouses.
587
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,480
They change all kinds of things in their life.
588
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,560
So personally, what else happened with you afterwards?
589
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,920
Well my wife is still my wife over 30 years now.
590
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:18,920
So that didn't change.
591
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:19,920
But I didn't share with her much.
592
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,560
I said, after they revived me, I said, I'm at Jesus.
593
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:29,520
I was like, okay.
594
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:37,480
But what changed in my life was my empathy foremost, I think.
595
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,640
And I can prove this, by the way, Eric, because I've been in the field of training.
596
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,400
I used to train corporations.
597
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,000
I am in ministry today.
598
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:51,400
So obviously that changed from being in the business field and the healthcare medical
599
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:52,400
field.
600
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,320
I would give people an empathy test.
601
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:59,120
It would be an empathy test, and this is a validated test.
602
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:00,720
It's been validated for years.
603
00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:04,600
It's the benchmark in the industry.
604
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:10,920
And it would test on versatility, which is being able to empathize essentially, or be
605
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:19,200
versatile in terms of speaking with somebody and kind of adopting or adapting to them,
606
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:25,000
you know, showing more interest and feeling more of what they feel.
607
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,480
So before this experience, I tested way down the line.
608
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:34,720
In other words, I did not have much empathy for people.
609
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:39,080
And that worked for me in getting things done.
610
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:46,800
But after this experience, I was at the highest level on the test.
611
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:55,480
I mean, it was a validation to show how diametrically shifted my character or personality he had
612
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:56,480
been.
613
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,360
Now, I'm not, hopefully it doesn't sound like boasting.
614
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:06,720
I shocked myself, because again, I was not an empathetic person.
615
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:17,360
But just that test showed me part of him was left with me in this world.
616
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,800
And I never cried, by the way.
617
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,560
Never did that.
618
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:22,560
I was broken.
619
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,560
I was healed.
620
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,600
I was made tender.
621
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:33,760
So I guess so that I could be more purposeful.
622
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,760
And so I'm in a ministry now.
623
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:43,760
I started a ministry and we've worked with an organization in San Diego feeding thousands
624
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:44,760
of people clothing.
625
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,960
We have a warehouse.
626
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,320
We just are in a lot of different places around the world.
627
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:55,760
And it's a totally diametrical opposition to what I was doing before.
628
00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:01,160
And then we are we're hosting an afterlife conference in San Diego, California.
629
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:08,200
So Andy Denier goes to this stuff and it's like, this is crazy.
630
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,040
It's amazing how people can change, isn't it?
631
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,880
Okay, I've got some questions for you now that there's no right or wrong answers.
632
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:20,880
I want to get your opinion on some things, maybe have you speculate just a little bit.
633
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:26,480
And you've not only had your own experience, you've talked to many, many people that have
634
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,400
also had near-death experiences.
635
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,000
You've written books on the topic.
636
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,160
You just mentioned your conference.
637
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:38,400
By the way, if people want to find you and all your stuff, randike.org.
638
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:39,400
Yes.
639
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:40,400
Correct.
640
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:41,400
Okay.
641
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,800
They can find everything there, including your books and you promised to send me one.
642
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,520
I'm going to hold you that promise.
643
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:47,520
Yes.
644
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:55,000
Why do you think that's different people have different kinds of experiences in their NDE's?
645
00:44:55,000 --> 00:45:00,600
As you know, some are disturbing, some are wonderful like yours.
646
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,280
There's everything in between.
647
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,200
Some see people they know, some don't.
648
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,320
Give me your thoughts on that whole thing.
649
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,120
Well, I did see my grandmother in heaven.
650
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:17,440
So I checked that box, but I get your point that, and it's a very good one because as
651
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:21,480
you all know, these experiences do vary.
652
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,080
So there's a journey that I guess each of us take.
653
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,320
I don't think anyone has the definitive answer.
654
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:34,800
So to try to extrapolate too much, I would be, I think I would be over-speaking what
655
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:35,800
should be said.
656
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:45,360
I think bottom line, I would say that people have a tendency to assimilate their experiences
657
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,840
based on what they understand at that given time.
658
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:55,040
In other words, if they come from a non-religious background and they stay non-religious, they're
659
00:45:55,040 --> 00:46:01,560
focusing on some of the ethereal points that speak to them in a personal way that speak
660
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,960
to I think what is important to them.
661
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:12,240
And then there are those who enter in with some religious maybe experience or even a
662
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:13,240
preconception.
663
00:46:13,240 --> 00:46:21,680
And when they come back, some of that is filtered through that experience or that belief.
664
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:27,960
And then there are others who are kind of, they're still searching.
665
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:35,000
And so a lot of heaven, I think, or a lot of afterlife experiences in my opinion are
666
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,760
so far apart from the world in which we live.
667
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:45,760
There are some familiar things and there are some non-familiar things that the overinterpretation
668
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:50,400
of some of those experiences can get us into trouble.
669
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:57,560
So for example, if I saw, and I did see a building or structure that was made of stones
670
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:02,160
and other things and people were going through it and they were fellowship with one another
671
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,760
and things of that sort.
672
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:12,040
My point of view is to try to translate that from a biblical standpoint where a mansion
673
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,880
in heaven, right?
674
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:20,360
Well, so I did a further study in that and it wasn't, it was the mansion in heaven really
675
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:21,760
was the presence.
676
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,560
I did a word study.
677
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,480
So my interpretation was different coming back.
678
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:34,960
I just took it in, assimilated, but I think that assimilation can only be done to a certain
679
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:43,360
point because it relies on the listener or the ones that is the objective point of view
680
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:52,280
as you and others who are listening to this to make a determination for themselves.
681
00:47:52,280 --> 00:48:02,880
But all I can say is, and I did this as an agnostic, is pray that if you're not a believer,
682
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,760
just pray, seek the truth.
683
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:07,760
Seek the truth.
684
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,520
I studied all things.
685
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,680
I'm not saying I'm the Oracle of Truth here.
686
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:20,440
I'm just saying that be a truth seeker and seek the God of love.
687
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:29,160
And if anyone spoils that or has, you know, then I have questions, you know, because I've
688
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:34,600
interviewed a lot of people who have had hellish experiences or hell experiences and they
689
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:44,560
come back and one fell into a very rigid, religious dogmatic group.
690
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,800
And another one became a Christian.
691
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:55,520
What I'm saying is that they tend to want to group together in a way that helps explain
692
00:48:55,520 --> 00:49:01,120
what they went through as opposed to, I don't want to use a term open mind, as opposed to
693
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:06,280
just seeking the truth, being a truth seeker, I guess is what I'm saying.
694
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,960
And I think that truth seeking will come to the conclusion and saying, I just want to
695
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:11,960
know.
696
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,520
I just want to understand.
697
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:18,280
And moreover, most importantly, I think I just want, I want to have a more loving heart
698
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:19,280
is what I want.
699
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:24,840
I know that sounds cliche and, you know, trite sometimes, but I think that's the bottom line
700
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:31,920
is we if it imparts love and a more loving attitude, if it has that effect, I think it's
701
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,920
good if it doesn't.
702
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:40,800
And I think that deserves more intro or extra inspection, if you will.
703
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:45,240
Something else that I've theorized and you give me your opinion on this is that people
704
00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:50,880
are only given how much they can handle or how much is going to make sense to them.
705
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:58,760
If there was someone who had no belief in Jesus or had not studied at all, and they had an
706
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:04,160
experience like yours, I don't know, maybe to be a little, a little more than they could
707
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:05,680
handle.
708
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:11,680
Some other people have are studying, you know, Eastern religions and other things like that,
709
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:16,240
and they have experiences a little bit more down those lines.
710
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:22,760
So I've sort of come to the conclusion that we have experiences that are really best for
711
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:29,400
us, that we can learn the most from, get the most from.
712
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,760
There's obviously commonalities, the feeling of love that you talked about and things like
713
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:34,760
that.
714
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,000
Do you have any thoughts on that?
715
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,000
Yes.
716
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,200
Well, the fact is that all of us returned.
717
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,960
Otherwise, we wouldn't be speaking to you or with you.
718
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,240
There's a commonality.
719
00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:48,760
There's a commonality, yes.
720
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So then there's a reason why that is.
721
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I wanted to stay.
722
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,080
I did not want to return.
723
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But I think I mentioned that I wanted to hear these words.
724
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:05,960
I wanted to hear, well done, my good and faithful servants.
725
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:10,920
So for any Christian, that's like the end all be all.
726
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Go to heaven.
727
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,680
Jesus says that to you and you're in.
728
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:22,760
Your life is complete, or not complete, but it's basically been codified by God.
729
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:24,040
And I've dwelt on that.
730
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:25,040
Why didn't I hear those words?
731
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,000
I so much wanted to hear.
732
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:33,040
And I know it's now, I believe, that it's because my life was unfinished.
733
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:39,960
So I believe I'll hear those words, whatever may not be verbatim, those words, because
734
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I felt it in heaven.
735
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:51,160
And I didn't feel like God would return me unless He was going to bring me back.
736
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That would be, from my vantage point, cruel to go through that and not being able to return.
737
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And that's not the God I met.
738
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:06,400
So every time I talk with somebody who has an afterlife survivor who has a different
739
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:12,240
translation or an experience that is kind of filtered through and expressed in a different
740
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:19,440
way, I just say to them, essentially, I believe you first.
741
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,320
I believe you.
742
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:25,480
Secondly, I don't save anybody.
743
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,200
That's not my job.
744
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:33,160
And I was an agnostic, and the only way I came to it was not through Christians being kind
745
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:34,160
to me and good to me.
746
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,600
No, it was quite the opposite, actually.
747
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:44,160
It was through seeking the truth and allowing that to be unimpeded to some extent.
748
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:51,880
But again, of course, I made my own determination, but I don't judge somebody who doesn't make
749
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:53,000
the same determination.
750
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,400
I'm commanded to love them.
751
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:56,720
I'm commanded to love them.
752
00:52:56,720 --> 00:52:58,960
And that's my only charge.
753
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:03,720
And that's really hard sometimes.
754
00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:13,760
But I know that my responsibility, trust me, trust God, stay in the moment, and just love
755
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:14,760
on people.
756
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,920
And there was somebody not too long ago who spat on my face.
757
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,480
And I've gotten some really kind of nasty things.
758
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:28,280
And I don't think I don't express nasty things, but I don't think.
759
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:33,320
But this person, for some reason, had a lot of animosity spat on my face.
760
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:39,160
I just paused, and then I just dropped to my knees.
761
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:44,760
And I said, Lord, God, what about how it is shouting vitriol?
762
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:53,640
I mean, I can't repeat, obviously, but so I finally, okay, trust me, return good for
763
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:54,640
evil.
764
00:53:54,640 --> 00:54:03,880
I stood up and I said, God loves you so much, you don't have.
765
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,480
I never understood that.
766
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:11,680
I died and I met him, he loves you so much.
767
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:18,080
And if I didn't have an inkling of that love, I would be so enraged with you, but I forgive
768
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:19,080
you.
769
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,080
I forgive you.
770
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:27,000
And he saw it was sincere and I was sincere.
771
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,320
And he didn't know how to deal with it.
772
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,360
And I think I saw it tearing his eye.
773
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:37,600
I think I saw it and I ended up talking with him for a while.
774
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:42,120
And he shared his life a little bit and I realized why he was this angry, angry person,
775
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:43,840
bitter person.
776
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,400
And then he became humanized.
777
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:55,400
And then we were able to talk and we parted ways and I wasn't trying to processize him.
778
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:56,840
That's not my job.
779
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:01,000
I was just trying to share that love a little bit of that love.
780
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,880
And I think it tenderized his heart a little bit.
781
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,320
That's beautiful.
782
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:13,560
Before we wind down here, I'm just wondering if there was anything about your experience
783
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,840
that really surprised you?
784
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:17,720
Like what?
785
00:55:17,720 --> 00:55:21,640
Why did that happen?
786
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:23,040
Or anything funny?
787
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,680
Well, besides all of it.
788
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:32,120
That surprised me, I guess.
789
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:40,480
There was a time that I had this funny conversation with Jesus.
790
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:45,200
Just silly talk.
791
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:52,800
And I said to him, I said, I hate the taste of toothpaste.
792
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:53,800
Why?
793
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:59,160
I mean, it was like we were in the moment of having this banter.
794
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:04,960
And his response back to me is I didn't invent it.
795
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,320
And we chuckled together.
796
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:08,320
That's perfect.
797
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:16,440
But yeah, I mean, the biggest surprise probably was the people I saw there.
798
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:21,480
Because I had an understanding of where they came from.
799
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:27,360
It was, I could understand people and the person.
800
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:32,880
And I had some insight into their lives in some cases.
801
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:37,080
And these were people I would never associate with on earth.
802
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:42,120
I mean, whoa, even that person?
803
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,240
Yes, even that person.
804
00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:48,040
And that surprised me probably the most.
805
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,960
And again, that reflected on the grace of God.
806
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,600
All right, any last thoughts before we wrap up?
807
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:59,200
Eric, you have a wonderful tender heart about you.
808
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:08,920
And I mentioned this before, how you accept us for our experience in a non-judgmental
809
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:10,040
sort of way.
810
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:15,000
And that's so much appreciated because that's one thing I think that near-death experiences
811
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:20,520
as you know are very reticent about sharing with others.
812
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:26,480
I enjoy hearing other people's story, but I hesitate to share my story.
813
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:34,920
And then I come across somebody like Eric Bennett who opens the door to understanding
814
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,880
and to sharing in a way that is genuine.
815
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:39,800
And so I thank you for that.
816
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,440
I thank you for what you do and bringing these stories to light.
817
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:49,560
Because I think we as afterlife survivors or near-death experiences, I tend to term
818
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,000
afterlife survivors as people who died.
819
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,120
And then your death can be coma or whatever.
820
00:57:54,120 --> 00:58:00,000
But I think we feel like orphaned children a lot of times.
821
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,360
Like we're not accepted.
822
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:02,720
I did lose my career.
823
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:09,400
I did, well, there were a lot of sacrifices because we're viewed a different way.
824
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:16,280
And I thank you for honoring us with exposing us in a positive way.
825
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,320
Well, thank you for being with me today, Randy.
826
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,720
I really appreciate it.
827
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,520
Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast.
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829
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830
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