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From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.
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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.
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And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my
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physical body because I was somewhere else.
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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
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anything else to be felt.
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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.
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I'm back home again.
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Incredibly safe and felt at home.
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Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody, and welcome to our special guest today, Randy
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Schieffer.
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Good morning, Randy.
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Good morning.
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How are you today, sir?
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I'm great.
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How's Florida today?
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Florida is absolutely beautiful.
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It's a beautiful spring day.
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It's bright and sunny, about 70 degrees, low humidity.
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So just one of those days you want to get outside.
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Perfect.
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Well, I want to let our listeners know just a little bit of where we're going today up
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front.
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Sure.
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We're going to be talking about your awesome NDE, but also the fact that you needed for
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your own self-proof of things.
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We're going to talk about how that worked for you.
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And some things related to your NDE that came after that are really awesome and interesting.
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But first, let's get to know you just a little bit.
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Okay.
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I already mentioned you live in Florida.
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What do you do there?
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Who's Randy?
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I am retired.
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I've been retired for, well, I've tried to retire three times now, and my wife keeps
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finding things for me to do.
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But we officially retired in 2017 and we're down here in Northern Florida, Northwest
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Florida, about nine years now.
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We live down here.
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We moved down from Ohio, raised our kids in Ohio.
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I got three girls.
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Going back a little bit, I grew up in South Florida.
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Parents moved down there when I was six years old.
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So all my life is really down in the kind of Bocca Raton Del Rey Beach area.
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So were you a big beach bum kid?
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I was.
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Yes.
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I probably spent more time on the beach than I did sitting in a high school class.
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But I managed to graduate, long story short, ended up getting my master's degree in forensic
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science.
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We were going back a little bit in time for you.
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We were on a vacation in 1969.
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Our family went up to New Jersey and my father died.
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He passed away in my arms.
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And I didn't realize until after my near death experience how that affected me for the rest
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of my life.
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I became really intrigued at that time with death.
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And then of course my sister passed at a younger sister.
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And she passed at a very young age of stomach cancer.
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And then of course my mother passed away.
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So I always have been interested in death.
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I joined the military in 1972 on a dare by three other guys that I was going to college
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with.
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Great friends.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Sitting in an English class of all things one day.
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And he said, oh, I'm going down to the recruiter.
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And I said, no, no one had anything to do with it.
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No, come on, one, one.
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One of them stayed for four years, another one stayed for 10 and I stayed for 20.
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So I retired from the Air Force in 1992.
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And I had gotten my master's degree while I was in the Air Force.
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And I was in security police at the time.
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And when I got my master's degree, the Air Force Office of Special Investigations recruited
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me.
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And they kept me in to be an investigator.
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OSI is a federally recognized criminal investigation branch in the Air Force who specialized in
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all major crime.
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There were a lot of intelligence work, a lot of espionage work.
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And then there was a branch that I was in, which was the criminology side.
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And I was investigator for them for about nine and a half years.
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So is this kind of like NCIS?
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Very much like NCIS.
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Just not as much drama.
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OK, not as much.
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Yeah, a lot of showmanship.
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Well, it is a TV show.
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True.
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NCIS would be our equivalent.
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They're federally recognized.
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I did a lot of work with NCIS and the Army as CID, Criminal Investigative Division.
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So we worked hand in hand with all of them.
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But because my specialty was in forensics, I did specialize in investigation of violent
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crime, homicide, suicides, child abuse, things of that nature was my specialty.
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They sent me on to the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology here in Washington, D.C. for
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some advanced training in forensics.
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Before I ended up in Germany, we stayed about four years in Germany, and we moved out to
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Southern California.
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And I did forensics work and ran a district.
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So tell me how that background that you had in forensic science, et cetera, made it so
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that you were someone that really needed proof of things.
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You didn't just take people's word for stuff.
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And then we're going to tie this in later on in this interview as well.
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Sure.
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That could say it started with my dad's death.
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And I'll get to your point here.
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But his death really intrigued me.
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It hurt.
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I was 16 years old when he died, massive heart attack.
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I tried to save him and couldn't.
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Of course, in 1969, CPR was just brand new.
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I had read a book a little bit about what to do and how to do it, but never was real
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proficient.
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But I tried it and couldn't save him.
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And that guilt lived with me.
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So I became very fascinated with death and what happens at death.
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Now, the body decomposes.
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So when I was offered the opportunity for the Master's degree in forensic science, I jumped
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on it because death scared me.
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I was afraid of my own death.
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My vision was basically when you turn out the light, electricity goes off and we're
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done.
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Nothing else.
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We're gone.
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And because I lost my dad and my mom and my sister, that frightened me because I loved
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my family to death.
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And I didn't want to lose that.
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I didn't want to lose my family.
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I love life.
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I didn't want to lose that feeling of life.
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So I became very scared of my own death.
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I could investigate death and I'd investigated hundreds.
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And one of the things I got into after I retired from the state of Ohio is consulting.
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I did a lot of consulting work on death investigations and again related shootings and all kinds
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of things.
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I could investigate a death.
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I could help the family through and process a family member's death.
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But boy, when I came to my own, I'd have absolutely panic attacks, full blown panic attacks,
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screaming, waving my arms, just total loss of control.
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I was that afraid.
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And I felt that I was the only person that felt that way.
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And I couldn't understand why nobody else felt that way.
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I couldn't talk about it.
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Not until after my near death experience that my wife even knew that I even experienced
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any of those traumatic panic attacks that I went through.
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She didn't know anything about it.
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After men are tougher than that, especially military.
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I just don't talk to it.
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You just don't address it.
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So talk about the proof thing.
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Why did you need proof of things?
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Yeah.
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Well, my world evolved around evidence.
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As a criminal investigator, evidence was everything to me.
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I had to prove beyond a doubt that an individual committed a crime.
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I had to have the fingerprints.
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I had to have the DNA.
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I had to connect you back as a suspect.
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I had to connect you back somehow to that crime scene.
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So evidence was everything.
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Proof was everything to me.
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And my wife is Catholic.
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My three girls were raised Catholic, went to Catholic school, attended Catholic church
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every Sunday.
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I grew up as a loom friend.
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When my dad died, we kind of drifted away from the church.
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When I got remarried, I found my way back, but there was something about being a criminal
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investigator needing that proof, positive proof of evidence that I didn't hear in church.
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I didn't hear any proof.
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I heard words like, in hopes of rising again, in hope, just have faith.
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Yeah.
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Have faith.
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Now, we have faith in a lot of things.
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When I pull up to a traffic light and it turns green, I have faith everybody else is going
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to stop because I can see that.
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I can see that people come up and stop at that red light to allow me to pass through.
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So there's so many other things that I had proof.
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I had evidence of faith, but the church didn't give that to me.
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I know there are stories in the Bible that people rely on to prove that God is real and
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he died on the cross for us.
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But again, to me, those are stories.
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Because of all the investigations and all the interrogations that I have been through,
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I know people can make up stories.
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I didn't think they were lies, but none of those stories gave me the proof that I needed
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that heaven was real, that there was life after death, and to my end, so yeah, I needed
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that proof.
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I needed that visible proof that life existed after death.
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Well, let's jump forward now to 2020.
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It didn't.
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COVID is everywhere, and that's what hit you, isn't it?
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It did.
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I know about, oh, I'd say two weeks before I got sick with COVID, they came out with
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a mask mandate.
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And I remember, and my family, my three girls and their husbands, were all really close
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yet family.
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Matter of fact, two of my daughters live right here in Northwest Florida with us, and I have
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another daughter in Tennessee.
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But I remember making fun of COVID.
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When I got a paper bag, I cut two eyes, a nose, and a mouth in the paper bag, and I
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put the words, COVID mask, www.buyyourmasknow50.
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And took a picture and posted it on our family page as a joke.
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Here's my COVID mask.
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I'm going to make a fortune selling paper bags, take a paper bag over your head.
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So we had a good laugh at that.
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But about a week later, I have no idea where I caught it, but I started not feeling well.
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My youngest daughter, Gerni and I were up at her property up here, about one of her properties
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that she owns about 40 minutes away.
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And she just had her tenant move out.
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We were up just doing some painting and getting it ready to put back up on the market.
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And I told her, I said, I'm not feeling real well.
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And she had mentioned the same thing.
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She goes, yeah, either am I.
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We had gone up for Greek food for lunch.
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So it was like, maybe we ate something that just didn't sit with us.
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But as the afternoon progressed, we just started to get really tired and not feeling well,
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feeling nauseous, lightheaded.
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So we packed things up and came home.
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By the time we got back to the house, I was just absolutely exhausted, went straight to
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bed, got up the next morning, didn't feel well well again, kind of laid around.
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It was like a Friday afternoon.
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And then my wife started hounding me, you know, go to the doctor, go to the doctor, get
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checked out.
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And I said, no, I bet you I just have the flu.
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You know, I'm not feeling good because of the flu.
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I'm sure that it will, it will pass and will be okay.
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So she made me promise Monday was, was March 23rd.
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And she made me promise if I didn't feel better by Monday, that I'd go to the doctor.
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So I did.
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I wasn't feeling any better.
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Made an appointment, went down to see my primary care.
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And he said, oh, you have the flu.
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It's going around, you know, and I told him, he said, doctor, I'm tired, don't feel good,
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I'm nauseous, I got a headache, you know, no, no, it's the flu.
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And I said, this doesn't feel like the flu.
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I said, could I get tested for this COVID?
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You don't have COVID.
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He said, have you traveled?
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No.
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You know, there's five questions they ask him, you've been around somebody.
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Yeah, this was so, March was so early on.
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Did they even have a regular test that early?
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They did, but they were using them very sparingly.
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They wouldn't.
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It wasn't a common thing.
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Unless you met certain criteria, you know, they wouldn't test you.
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So he says, you have the flu, go home, come back in a week if you don't feel better.
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So Wednesday the 25th, yeah, it would have been the 25th.
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I was really sick.
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And I went back to the doctor and I saw a physician assistant and I came in and he says, you were
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just here on Monday.
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I said, yeah, I said, I'm sick.
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I said, I don't know what I have.
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You have the flu.
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I said, I don't have the flu.
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We went through that whole gambit again.
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Okay.
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You have the flu, go home, rest.
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Can I get tested for COVID?
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Nope.
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We're not going to test you for COVID.
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So I went home.
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I came home and I called the wife and the family.
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They tell me I have the flu just to rest.
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That Thursday the 26th, my wife went up with my daughter to their house because they had
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a tenant that wanted to see the house.
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So she went up there and my oldest daughter came by the house to check on me just to see
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how I was doing.
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Now my youngest daughter is a nurse and my oldest called her and said, dad looks bad.
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He looks gray.
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He is really sick.
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So she said, well, get him to the emergency room.
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Of course, I refused to go.
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Now I'm not going to emergency room.
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Wow.
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I'm going to.
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She says, nope.
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She says, dad, you're going.
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She's either will call 911.
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You go by ambulance so you can get in the car and we'll go.
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I agreed and she took me down.
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She dropped me off at the entrance and said, look, I'm going to go park the car.
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I'll come in and meet up with you.
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So I went in and I remember walking up to the receptionist that I just could barely,
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I mean, I was barely able to get in there.
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And I said, I'm sick.
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You've got to help me.
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And they took me back very, very quickly.
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They took me into the back and immediately into an isolation room.
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They did have those set up at the time.
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I remember before they took me back, my daughter came to the door of the hospital and he wouldn't
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allow her in.
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They stopped her right at the door and said, no, I just, you know, we can't let you in
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the hospital because of COVID.
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And she yelled at me.
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She says, dad, text me when you're done.
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She says, I'll be waiting for you in the car.
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And I said, okay, hon, I love you.
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I'll see you in a little bit.
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And that would be the last family member I saw for six weeks.
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Wow.
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I've had some other people on the show that had COVID back around that same time.
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And your story is kind of typical.
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This was like something that happened to other people.
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Are you traveled internationally or from China or something like that?
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But I'm glad they took you in that quickly.
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One other person that I can think of that I interviewed said he walked in, did the same
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thing and then was like, and they were like, oh, well, yeah, just go wait over there.
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You know, we'll go wait for a few hours.
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He passed out right on the floor just out.
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So that's how he got back in quickly.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, they were more sensitive to it where you were, I guess.
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So that's good.
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Yeah.
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Well, maybe it was a smaller hospital.
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Maybe because of the way I looked, I don't know.
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But my blood oxygen level was down in the very low 80s, even the high 70s was that low.
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And they were very quickly to tell me that I had bilaterals, I took X-rays, I had bilateral
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pneumonia and that they're going to admit me right away into the hospital.
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And the doctor couldn't tell me for sure.
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He says, but I'm almost positive.
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He said that you do have COVID.
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He said because your lungs are full of the glass, you know, that glass crystallization
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that hit the lungs and he says, you have that.
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He says, so we're really sure that you have COVID.
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So they took me up onto the ward isolation room again.
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I was by myself.
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Everybody wore the big masks and gowns and hats and everything, you know.
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And that was on the 26th of March.
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Within 48 hours, I remember a doctor coming in and saying, Mr. Schieffer, you're not
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breathing real well.
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We need a stick of tube down your throat to help you breathe.
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And I remember saying, okay, back of my mind, and he said, we have to sedate you to do it.
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So in the back of my mind, I've had surgeries before, they're going to sedate me and, you
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know, I'll be away.
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I didn't wake up for more weeks later.
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So they put me in a medically induced coma, put me on the ventilator, and I maxed out
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the ventilator pretty quick.
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I couldn't go any higher on the ventilator.
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That was on the 29th of March.
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On the 30th of March, the air lifted me from our local hospital over to a much larger hospital
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in Pensacola, and I went from the helicopter right into surgery, and they put me on to
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an ECMO machine.
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ECMO is basically a heart-long bypass machine.
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Extra corporal membrane oxygenation is the big term for it.
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But basically, they have the ability to allow it to breathe for you or just pump your heart
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or it can do both.
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And eventually, I needed both.
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So I was in total life support.
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Yeah.
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You were very, very, very ill.
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Yeah.
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They had told my family that I had about a 3% chance of living and that they should probably
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prepare for my demise.
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That's how bad that I was.
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They didn't expect me to make it at all.
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And I went to kidney failure.
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So I went on dialysis.
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One of my lungs collapsed.
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I was bleeding internally.
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So I was receiving units of blood.
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I was throwing blood clots.
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My liver enlarged and was throwing blood clots.
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So practically, every organ that I had was failing.
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That's what COVA did.
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Everything would eventually shut down.
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At what point during all of this, you had a four-week coma and another couple of weeks
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in the hospital.
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At what point did you feel like you faced some kind of death or out-of-body experience?
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Tell us about that now.
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Yeah.
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Well, it had to be between March 29th and April the 10th.
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I can't tell you, obviously, exactly when.
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But that's the time period that I was the sickest, that I was the worst.
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So I have a feeling it was during that time.
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Because on April the 10th, I was the first person in Northwest Florida to receive convalescent
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plasma.
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And I started to get better after that point.
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So it was that time frame that I vividly remember.
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And I had dreams.
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And I had hallucinations.
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And I can tell the difference between the three experiences that I had.
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Because I remember my consciousness awoke.
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And it was just like I'm talking to you right now.
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And I remember being in a tunnel.
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Well, I didn't know it was a tunnel at the time.
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When I first came out of the hospital, I was explaining it to people like an airplane fuselage.
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That was the only reference that I had at the time.
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But I remember, and I remember that I said to myself, you're dead.
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You died.
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But where are you?
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Where am I going?
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I remember moving through this tunnel, moving away, moving down this tunnel.
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And it was dark.
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But yet I just knew I could feel a tremendous light that encompassed that tunnel.
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As I passed through, it was almost like these little windows that I would pass that I could
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see this light outside.
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And I could feel it was warm.
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I felt very warm.
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And I was for a person that feared death as badly as I did, I was in such peace.
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No panic, no stress, no freaking out.
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But yet I knew I died.
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And I came to the end of the tunnel.
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Now I cannot tell you what sequence of events this was either.
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I don't know which story that I'm about to go into came first, second, or third.
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But when I came out of the tunnel, I was in this beautiful room, absolutely gorgeous
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hall.
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And I was standing on a mezzanine overlooking this hall.
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And the tall was very tall.
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And it had the rib-vaulted ceilings.
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I remember like three, three or four vaults that I could see up on the ceilings.
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And there was water fixtures.
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And the walls were lined with beautiful stained glass windows.
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And down on the floor, I remember seeing at least three archways.
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Now archways were just covered with gold and the walls were, was just a glowing gold.
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There's a huge chandelier hanging down from the ceiling.
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And I'm sitting there and I'm very calm, very peaceful, just admiring the beauty of this
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room.
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And I felt the presence of someone.
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Someone was with me.
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Could not see them.
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I couldn't tell you what they looked like, but I knew somebody was standing next to me.
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And almost telepathically, it was like turn around.
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And I turned and there was an individual walking toward us.
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Middle-aged man, dark hair, long.
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I believe he had a beard and he had like a dark robe on.
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And I don't remember any legs or anything, but I remember a dark robe with a dark colored
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sash.
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And he came up to me and I remember talking with him.
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And I said, this room is absolutely magnificent.
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It's beautiful.
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And he goes, yes.
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He said, this is one of our most popular rooms.
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And he says, it's very busy.
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I felt the commotion on the floor.
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Like I said, I was on a mezzanine looking down.
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And I could feel the commotion that was going on on the floor.
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But I had no idea what people were doing.
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And there were some beautiful gold tables down there.
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But I had no idea what they're doing.
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But eventually he said to me, he said, but you don't belong here.
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You have to leave.
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And he pointed to some big, beautiful oak doors that was some feet away.
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And this presence of mine walked with me to these oak doors, beautiful hand carved, tall,
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magnificent oak doors.
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And I remember pushing them open.
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And I was probably about three or four steps down to a sidewalk.
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But when they opened up, I was in a grand city, absolutely beautiful city.
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Can I just interject a couple of questions at this point?
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Yeah.
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So if this were something that happened here in this world, and you're in this beautiful
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place and somebody comes up to you and says, you don't belong here.
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You have to go.
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You'd feel pretty dejected.
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Is that how you felt there?
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Or was it different?
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No, it was just different.
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I didn't, at that time, I really didn't, I didn't have emotions.
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That makes sense.
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Yes.
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But you said you were feeling peace and calm.
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I didn't feel like, why do I have to go?
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Okay.
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But I didn't feel, well, why do I have to leave?
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I didn't question.
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There was no negative resentment or anything like that towards the direction.
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It was very matter of fact, it sounds like.
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Like, okay.
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Yeah.
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I think it was the authority figure that I probably perceived him as.
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You have to go.
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My guide took me that way.
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So I just followed.
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Okay.
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So you go through the big oak doors and then tell me what you see.
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Magnificent city, beautiful.
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The skyscrapers were just as high as you could see them.
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No traffic, no cars, no buses, nothing.
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And I started to walk the roads, if you will, were an opaque, well, yeah, opaque in color.
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They were like a beautiful pearl color roads.
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These skyscrapers were just so tall and they were gold.
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They were golden skyscrapers that just reached in the sky as far as you could see.
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Their windows were the same in color as the street.
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I remember passing parks, beautiful green, well-manicured parks with trees and flowers.
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And often the distance, there were some children playing in this park.
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And I kept walking through these streets just in awe of this beautiful city.
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And I got to a point where I felt scared because I suddenly realized that I was lost.
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So the guide wasn't with you anymore?
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He left.
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Yes, I'm sorry, he left.
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I felt alone at that time.
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I know he wasn't with me.
498
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,040
And I knew I was lost.
499
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:43,480
And I remember thinking, you died, but how do I get back?
500
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,800
I don't know how to get back.
501
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,520
And I got scared.
502
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:51,760
And I got very emotional.
503
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:52,840
I remember crying.
504
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,640
I remember yelling out to people to help me.
505
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,680
I couldn't see anyone.
506
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,120
But again, I felt people.
507
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,960
And I couldn't understand why they weren't stopping to help me.
508
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:11,240
I sat down on what I believed to be was like a curb.
509
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,640
And I sat down and I remember crying.
510
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:19,440
And I was still looking wet, I guess from crying.
511
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,120
I was just absolutely soaking wet.
512
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,560
And I became very cold.
513
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,600
And screaming out, I'm lost.
514
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:27,680
Someone, please help me.
515
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:28,680
I'm lost.
516
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,880
And I remember looking over my shoulder.
517
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:36,520
For some reason I turned and I looked over my shoulder, my right shoulder.
518
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:44,600
And all the way up, as far as you could see into the skies, was this beautiful white staircase.
519
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,680
It just went up into the clouds.
520
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:54,480
I remember saying, if I can get to that staircase, maybe someone can find me.
521
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,320
So I remember moving over to the staircase.
522
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,120
And I can't tell you if I was walking.
523
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,480
I can't tell you if I was crawling.
524
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,040
But I remember moving up the staircase.
525
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,640
I have no clue how high I got.
526
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:14,000
But suddenly I heard a voice and he said, there's Randy.
527
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,840
Get him.
528
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:21,760
And it was like, here I go, somebody grabbed me by my shirt collar and whisked me off of
529
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,480
those steps.
530
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,760
And I just remember everything going dark.
531
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,000
I was out of that situation.
532
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,840
That area that I was in no longer existed.
533
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,000
Everything went black.
534
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:38,480
No consciousness, I was gone until my consciousness awoke.
535
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,160
So would you assume that you were back in your body at that point?
536
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,240
You just weren't away from the coma?
537
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,280
You know, I have to, yeah, from the coma.
538
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,080
Because it was just, I was just, that ended.
539
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,400
It was just gone.
540
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:59,920
But when my consciousness awoke again, I was back in that city.
541
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:02,960
But I was in a different section of the city.
542
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,760
Different beautiful buildings.
543
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,960
Did you still feel lost and scared or was it more comfortable this time?
544
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,720
It was more comfortable because I said, I know where those steps are.
545
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:17,560
Now, if I can make my way back to those steps, I can be found.
546
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,480
So I did just that.
547
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,320
I moved through the city and I made it back to those steps.
548
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,960
And I started to go up the steps again.
549
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,920
And I heard the same voice.
550
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,480
There's Randy.
551
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:36,520
I turned, I turned this time because one of the things that I was moving through the city,
552
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,760
I remember, who grabbed me?
553
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,960
Who was that to grab me?
554
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,880
Why did they grab me?
555
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:53,400
So I turned and there was a older gentleman, white hair, a white beard, beautiful white
556
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,760
gown on with a, with a, I remember the sash was white.
557
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,480
Oh, it was just so brilliant.
558
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:01,680
It really stood out.
559
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:08,600
He used the man that grabbed me because he grabbed me again and pulled me off those steps
560
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,240
and everything went black.
561
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,240
I was gone.
562
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:12,240
Okay.
563
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,440
What do you make of that?
564
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,320
Were you not allowed to go up the steps for some reason?
565
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:22,280
I think they knew I wasn't supposed to be there.
566
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,480
They knew I wasn't going to die.
567
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,080
It wasn't my time.
568
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:32,800
Evidently, I have a pretty per-sincent soul who just wanted to go back.
569
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:37,920
Well, I'm going to say one other thing and I have never said this phrase before.
570
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,240
I think your escort was really slack in that day.
571
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:42,240
I think.
572
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:47,480
I hope he didn't get fired, but reported at least.
573
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:48,480
Yeah.
574
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:49,480
I did.
575
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:54,040
You know, the second time I was in that city, I didn't feel him or whoever it was.
576
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,040
Again.
577
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,560
I was alone.
578
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:57,560
Yeah.
579
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,200
Slack it a little bit.
580
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,120
He came back a third time.
581
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:03,120
Okay.
582
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:04,560
I better let you keep going.
583
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:05,560
Yeah.
584
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,960
He came back another time, but I was gone.
585
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,600
I was out of the city and I went blank again.
586
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:18,680
Like I said, I've had a lot of people who said, well, how can you tell the difference between
587
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:25,320
what I experienced there and my dreams or a hallucination?
588
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,680
And I said, my hallucinations were silly.
589
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:36,080
I remember opening my eyes knowing that I had died because I said to myself, okay, you're
590
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,320
dead.
591
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:45,440
And if I died, I must be in hell because I saw flashing bolts of light.
592
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:52,480
And then when I would open my eyes, there were nine dancing panda bears on the ceiling
593
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,160
of my room.
594
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,880
And they were dancing to this God awful music.
595
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,680
I couldn't even tell you what it was.
596
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:06,160
But when I would close my eyes, I would see these flash of lightning bolts again.
597
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,160
Wow.
598
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,560
And I, yeah, that sounds a little drug induced or something.
599
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:11,560
Yeah.
600
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:12,560
Yeah.
601
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:18,280
And I didn't know he was a doctor of mine until afterwards, but one of my doctors or
602
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:26,720
this man that I got very angry with, playing with my dogs across the hallway in a birthing
603
00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:28,640
pool.
604
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,760
And he was playing with my dogs in this birthing pool.
605
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,840
And I was pissed that he had my dogs and he was playing with them in this birthing pool
606
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,960
that I could not get to.
607
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:41,120
So everything, they were just silly hallucinations like that.
608
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,280
And my dreams were not as vivid.
609
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,960
They didn't seem as real.
610
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:53,600
They were very broken into different segments, little bits and pieces that just didn't make
611
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:54,600
sense.
612
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,320
So I knew I was, and path towards, I just knew that these were dreams.
613
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:06,080
But then I had this other area that was so real and so vivid and so colorful that I wouldn't
614
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,200
sure exactly what I experienced.
615
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:14,040
Well I appreciate your explanation because I often ask people, how do you know this wasn't
616
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:19,320
a dream or some other kind of hallucination?
617
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:24,600
And most people, the only thing, the way they can explain it to me is it was more real than
618
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,120
real or something like that.
619
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,520
So I appreciate you having a little more detail on that.
620
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:31,520
Yeah.
621
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:32,520
Okay.
622
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,440
So you've been to this city twice now.
623
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:35,560
You did correct.
624
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:42,600
Just a second ago, mention the guide having another opportunity.
625
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:48,560
You know, I wonder if he earned his wings, you know, and I wonder if he ever earned his
626
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:49,560
wings.
627
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:50,560
I don't know.
628
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:51,960
I didn't hear any bells going off.
629
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:56,760
But let me tell you, before I get into my guide returning, I remember my consciousness
630
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:07,360
awaking and I was on a pathway, dirt pathway, and a log side made was the most beautiful
631
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,360
area that I have ever seen in my life.
632
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:17,600
The trees and the flowers were of colors that you can't even describe.
633
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:22,560
And they were so vivid, it was almost like they were alive.
634
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:31,680
And the meadows that lied past the trees was just a magnificent green.
635
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:36,480
And I've been to the highlands of Scotland and I've been to Ireland and I've seen some
636
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:45,200
magnificent, beautiful green grass, but it didn't hold anything to what I saw up in
637
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,200
heaven.
638
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,680
It was absolutely beautiful.
639
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:53,400
And I've been walking down this path again knowing that I died and suddenly this little
640
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:54,760
boy appears.
641
00:36:54,760 --> 00:37:01,000
Maybe 10 years old, very animated.
642
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:08,080
He had dark hair, the bull haircut, remember the old bull haircut, no shirt on, olive
643
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,040
skin, no shoes, he was barefoot.
644
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,600
And he had a three-quarter length shorts on.
645
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,520
And he was very animated.
646
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:21,360
Follow me, follow me, follow me, his other arms are just a-waiving.
647
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,000
So I followed him.
648
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:30,240
We go down the path and he takes me, suddenly we come across this beautiful building and
649
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:34,200
we go inside and he says, you wait in here.
650
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:40,560
And he put me into this room and the room had this beautiful artwork on it.
651
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:48,920
The pedestal chairs were in the center of the room and a big picture window was on the
652
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,600
side and remember looking out the picture window.
653
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:59,640
And the river that I saw previously ran underneath this room and this river meandered off into
654
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,840
the distance through that grass meadow.
655
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:07,880
And remember seeing people in the water, not playing or frolicking, but they were on the
656
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:15,640
sides very peacefully talking on the sides and the banks of this river.
657
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:20,240
I have no idea how long I was there or how long I waited.
658
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:25,920
But eventually this little boy comes back into the room and he says to me, I'm sorry,
659
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,120
you have to leave.
660
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,440
And I remember looking and saying, but I don't want to leave.
661
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:40,640
I said, I feel so at home and so at peace and felt, feel so loved.
662
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:41,960
I said, I don't want to leave.
663
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,600
He goes, no, you have to leave.
664
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,320
Your room isn't ready.
665
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:55,160
And with that, I was gone back in my dark sedated world and so that was the third experience.
666
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,840
Okay, keep going.
667
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:04,720
And it suddenly, yeah, when my consciousness awoke, I was back in that tunnel, but I was
668
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:07,440
at the very end of the tunnel.
669
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,640
And I remember coming out and I was in a void, a dark void.
670
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,440
My guide showed up.
671
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,280
He's making a comeback.
672
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,040
He was there.
673
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,680
He was there.
674
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,560
He was with me.
675
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:27,820
And I remember standing in this void and he indicates, I need you to follow him.
676
00:39:27,820 --> 00:39:37,440
So I started to follow him deeper into the void and you've been to the theater and you're
677
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,440
sitting in the audience and there's a dark stage in front of you.
678
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:46,280
And then suddenly a little light comes on and the light gets brighter and brighter and
679
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,280
brighter.
680
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:53,440
And you see the actress or actor standing there, you know, underneath this bright light.
681
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:54,440
And that's what happened.
682
00:39:54,440 --> 00:40:00,080
We started to walk through this void, this light started to come on and it got brighter
683
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,920
and brighter and we got closer and closer.
684
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:10,320
Suddenly my mother-in-law, my deceased mother-in-law was right next to me, standing right next
685
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:11,960
to me.
686
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:17,080
And I described her to my wife in detail.
687
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,400
Younger lady, I would say in her 30s.
688
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,560
She had beautiful long hair in life.
689
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:27,920
Her hair was all pulled up with beautiful ribbon around the top of her hair.
690
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:33,480
She had this beautiful white gown on and she was sitting in a chair and she was sitting
691
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:41,120
very royally, I say, very upright, you know, very proud.
692
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:51,600
She had her hand out on the armrest and she only looked at me very briefly.
693
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:56,760
Because I was crying out to her, Dolores, Dolores, it's me, Randy, Randy, I'm here,
694
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:57,760
I'm here, here.
695
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:03,720
And she looked away and she wouldn't acknowledge my presence.
696
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:07,360
And my guide said, we need to move on.
697
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:15,320
We moved deeper and as we moved deeper into this void, the light that shined over my mother-in-law
698
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:20,000
just got weaker and weaker until she completely disappeared.
699
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:27,480
And as that would turn off, there was another light that turned on in the distance, very
700
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,560
far away.
701
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:37,640
But as that light got brighter, I knew, I knew in a second that it was my dad, my mom,
702
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,360
and my sister knew it.
703
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,360
That is awesome.
704
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:42,360
How did that feel?
705
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,440
Oh my God, I was screaming at the top of my lungs.
706
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,760
My dad and I were very close, something I didn't go into earlier, but he and I were
707
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:51,760
really close.
708
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:57,720
I used my Little League Baseball coach on Saturdays, I'd go to work with him, you know,
709
00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:02,240
so it was a tremendous loss when he did die.
710
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:03,600
And I was so excited.
711
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:11,480
I was screaming out, dad, mom, Gina, it's me, I'm here, I'm here.
712
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:20,480
When I felt there was some type of barrier, invisible barrier between me and them, by this
713
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,760
time we had stopped moving.
714
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:27,040
And there was some type of barrier that I had come up on.
715
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:32,080
And I felt its presence and I felt that I just couldn't go through that barrier.
716
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:38,040
And they didn't acknowledge me because I don't think they wanted me to move past that barrier.
717
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:45,160
And I remember yelling at them and just so happy to see them.
718
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:51,120
Something up in heaven as well is that you have the presence of what's going on around
719
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,960
you for 360 degrees.
720
00:42:54,960 --> 00:43:00,360
And at that time there was orbs of light that was passing by me.
721
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:07,400
Off the distance, back behind me, off to my right, whatever reason this one orb of light
722
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,640
got my attention.
723
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,360
And he was moving up very quickly.
724
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:18,040
And this light got closer and closer and you know, it's the size of maybe of a bowling
725
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,040
ball.
726
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:23,160
And it came up and it stopped right in front of me.
727
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:27,320
And a face materialized for just an instant.
728
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:36,120
His face tells me, says to me, tell Madison at the salon, your grandfather's okay.
729
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:43,560
Now I'm a veteran and the word veteran resonated with me.
730
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,200
I felt the word.
731
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,320
I felt it penetrate me.
732
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,840
I heard it being repeated veteran, veteran, veteran.
733
00:43:51,840 --> 00:44:02,640
This orb of light moved on to a white porch and he was making or he showed me red, white
734
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,760
and blue ribbons in American flags.
735
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:11,720
And suddenly my guide says you have to leave.
736
00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:13,720
And I was gone.
737
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:15,400
That was the end up.
738
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,440
That was the last time.
739
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,080
That was the last time that you went off into this realm.
740
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,960
Again, I don't know the sequencing.
741
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,320
But that's the end of my, yeah, the four times that I...
742
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:32,440
If there's not time there, then the sequence, there's not really a sequence anyway.
743
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,080
So that's okay.
744
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,080
True.
745
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,360
We're going to tie a bunch of this stuff back in in a minute.
746
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,040
But tell us quickly, how did you get better?
747
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,880
How long did that take?
748
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,240
You mentioned you had started getting the plasma.
749
00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:49,560
Yes, April the 10th, which happened to be a good Friday that year.
750
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,560
And that made all the difference in your recovery.
751
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:53,560
Yeah.
752
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:58,680
The hospital wasn't going to initially give it to me because it was...
753
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,160
Oh, it was experimental back then.
754
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,160
Experimental, exactly.
755
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,920
And the hospital I was not a teaching hospital.
756
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,000
They weren't an experimental hospital.
757
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,680
They just didn't do things like that.
758
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,560
But my daughter is a nurse.
759
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:14,560
Excuse me.
760
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,800
She became my advocate.
761
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:23,280
And she did advocate with them, all the way up to the CEO of the hospital.
762
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:24,280
And they...
763
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:29,680
The family, because my wife designated her as a family spokesperson.
764
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,720
I had one daughter who did the medical.
765
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:36,640
I had another daughter who did a lot on social media to get...
766
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,200
Find me a donor.
767
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,720
That's a whole nother, separate story.
768
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:43,840
And my third daughter, my oldest daughter was in charge of prayer.
769
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,560
She formed a prayer chain from around the world.
770
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,560
I had people praying for me.
771
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,840
So I do believe in the power of prayer now as well.
772
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:57,360
So yeah, they gave me the converalist plasma on Good Friday.
773
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:04,360
By Easter morning, my lungs had cleared and started functioning again.
774
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,720
That they actually could turn off the ECMO machine.
775
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:09,560
My heart returned to normal.
776
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,160
It started pumping adequately.
777
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,240
And they were able to actually turn off the ECMO machine.
778
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:22,160
By that Tuesday of that week, my kidneys were functioning and I came off dialysis.
779
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,960
I had stopped bleeding internally.
780
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:29,440
And by later in that week, I think it was like that Thursday or Friday, they started
781
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,240
to wake me up.
782
00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:33,120
They started to bring me out of the coma.
783
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,400
They took the breathing tube out at some point.
784
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,640
Yeah, they took the breathing tube out.
785
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:42,960
Although I had to get re-inturbated because I did have a relapse.
786
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:48,320
They re-inturbated me and I was on that for another week and then I came off of it.
787
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:53,440
Yeah, they discharged me from the hospital on May, May the 8th.
788
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,200
That was from the end of March till the 8th of May.
789
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:09,080
I remember coming fully awake and processing everything going through my mind because somehow
790
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:15,160
my daughter, my youngest daughter, the nurse was allowed in to see me that last week that
791
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,760
I was in the hospital.
792
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:22,760
And before she got there, I was kind of processing what had happened to me.
793
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,080
I wasn't really sure what I experienced.
794
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:30,600
Obviously, I didn't know right away all their near-death experiences and the meaning of all
795
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,400
of this.
796
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:39,480
And I had mentioned to one of the nurses that I had this message.
797
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,760
I said, I had to, where does this experience?
798
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:48,520
I said, some guy gave me a message for his granddaughter and she kind of looked at me
799
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,360
and she says, what?
800
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,040
So you didn't know Madison anywhere, right?
801
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,080
No, I didn't know Madison.
802
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,480
No, I didn't know who Madison was.
803
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,480
And she kind of gave me a funny look.
804
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:05,720
I said, yeah, I was in this dark area and this guy comes up and he gives me a message
805
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:09,240
and she turned around and walks out of the room.
806
00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:12,800
I don't know when, but I remember one of the doctors coming in.
807
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:17,160
And he examined me and I said, Doc, I had some strange things.
808
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,560
I said, I had dainting panda bears.
809
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:27,080
And I said, I remember, I said I was somewhere in a beautiful city and this little boy tells
810
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,560
me it wasn't my time that I had to come back.
811
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:34,240
And I mentioned Madison a little bit and he says, well, yeah, you are on some pretty
812
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:36,760
heavy drugs around the world.
813
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,120
Which makes sense for the dancing pandas.
814
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,760
Yeah, but not the rest.
815
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,280
For the rest now.
816
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:48,040
So when my daughter got there, I learned, I learned from there, I learned from the nurses
817
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:54,280
and the doctors that something that they didn't want to discuss, that they weren't interested.
818
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,720
I just knew I didn't need to talk to them about it.
819
00:48:56,720 --> 00:49:02,680
So I didn't mention anything more to them about it until my daughter came in.
820
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:08,120
Because that's you, somebody that I really trusted and I knew that would understand.
821
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,640
And I told her, I said, Lisa, I said something happened to me.
822
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,480
I said, I'm not sure what happened.
823
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,360
She goes, what are you talking about?
824
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,880
I said, Lisa, I said, I traveled.
825
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,880
I said, I would, she said, dad, you were in a coma for four weeks.
826
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,680
What do you mean you traveled?
827
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,560
I said, I was in some big, beautiful city.
828
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,920
I said, Paris, London, but it was beautiful.
829
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,520
I said, it was so clean and vibrant.
830
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:39,800
And she says, you weren't in London or Paris if it was that clean and vibrant and beautiful,
831
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,120
you know.
832
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,560
And I said, I don't know where I was.
833
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,360
So I told her about Madison.
834
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:46,760
And she said, well, who's Madison?
835
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,920
I said, I don't know of Madison.
836
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:49,920
I have no idea.
837
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:55,280
And she said, well, who is the man that gave you, I said, again, I have no clue what this
838
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,440
man is.
839
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,600
I don't, I didn't know.
840
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:03,080
And she tell you, you talk to her, she'll tell you that she was a bit sceptic, that she
841
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:07,680
really thought it was just the drugs that I was on.
842
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:08,680
Sure.
843
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,800
And she was a bit sceptic.
844
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,240
So I was released.
845
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:14,800
I had to learn to walk again.
846
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:15,960
I had to learn to swallow.
847
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:20,480
I have a damaged vocal cord still, but I had to learn to swallow.
848
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,400
I was very, very weak.
849
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,480
So I came home in a wheelchair.
850
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,560
They wanted to send me to a rehabilitation center because I was still on some pretty
851
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,960
heavy blood centers.
852
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,240
And they wanted to send me to a rehabilitation center.
853
00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:36,160
And I just said, no, I'm going home.
854
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,600
And they said, well, the only way to go home is if you have nursing care.
855
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,280
I looked at my daughter and I said, she'll take care of me.
856
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,120
So she moved home.
857
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:46,560
She was up in Mississippi at the time.
858
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,880
So she moved back here to take care of me.
859
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,880
Well, I'm happy you had such a beautiful experience.
860
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,360
Last question.
861
00:50:55,360 --> 00:51:01,520
I love to ask this one, especially of someone who was very, very, very afraid of death.
862
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:07,960
On a scale of one to 10, I'm guessing you were a 10 fearful of death prior to this.
863
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,200
Where are you on the scale now?
864
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:11,200
Zero.
865
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:12,200
Bring it on.
866
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:13,200
All right.
867
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,200
Not at all.
868
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:16,200
Not at all.
869
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:20,680
Because there's such, you know, if there's anything that I bring, I bring a message of
870
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:27,160
hope, how are you going to accept my experience and how you're going to translate it?
871
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,440
You know, that's up to you.
872
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:33,320
You know, I can't, everybody has their own experiences and they're going to listen and
873
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:38,520
they're going to make their own decisions, but I can just tell you that on that scale,
874
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,240
I was at 11 before.
875
00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:44,440
I mean, I did not want to die end of story.
876
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:45,600
I didn't want to do it.
877
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:46,760
Didn't talk about it.
878
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,560
If you used to talk about it, my family would bring it up.
879
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:51,560
I'd walk away.
880
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:52,840
I couldn't talk about it.
881
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:58,040
And now I can talk about it all day long because it's a beautiful place.
882
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,840
It's a beautiful experience, a beautiful feelings.
883
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,560
I don't fear it at all.
884
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:08,000
And if you have a chance to be a guide, I think you're going to be the best one there.
885
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,800
You think I'll get my wings?
886
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,200
I'm going to ring the bell and I'll get my wings.
887
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,080
Randy, thanks so much for being with me today.
888
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:16,240
I enjoyed it.
889
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:17,240
Thank you, sir.
890
00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:18,520
I appreciate the opportunity.
891
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,360
Thank you so much.
892
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:26,120
We are out of time for this episode, but Randy had a whole bunch more to say, especially
893
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:30,040
on the topic of the proof that he was looking for.
894
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:34,480
Because in spite of having his experience, he needed more than just that.
895
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:39,680
So our episode coming out later this week, the bonus episode will be all about that.
896
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:40,680
And I'll give you a hint.
897
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:46,600
It has something to do with Madison and the face that he saw briefly in the orb of light.
898
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:47,680
This part is really cool.
899
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,520
I hope you'll join us then.
900
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:53,480
If you want to be notified when the bonus episode comes out with the rest of Randy's
901
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:58,960
interview, go on over to roundtriptest.com, sign up for our newsletter, and you'll be
902
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,560
one of the first to know.
903
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,840
In the meantime, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the
904
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:32,000
next.
