Randy's NDE: "Proof Of The Afterlife" (Part 2)

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Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death. In this bonus episode where we're going to pick up our

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interview from earlier this week with Randy Schieffer. There's a whole lot more to talk about.

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If you remember, he's a forensic investigator who needs proof. He needs evidence even of something

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that happened to himself. If you haven't heard part one yet of Randy's interview,

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it's episode number 422 was just out earlier this week and I recommend you start there.

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But now let's jump right back into it.

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From the time that they pronounced me death was a good 45 minutes.

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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart. My heart had stopped and I could see people

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screaming and crying but I didn't realize that was actually my physical body because I was somewhere

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else. The only thing that I could feel if you could imagine absolute love and peace. There wasn't

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anything else to be felt. I was greeted by people I'd known in the past. I'm back home again.

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Incredibly safe and felt at home. I learned from the nurses and the doctors

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that something that they didn't want to discuss, that they weren't interested.

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I just knew I didn't need to talk to them about it. So I didn't mention anything more to them

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about it until my daughter came in because that's she was somebody that I really trusted and I knew

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that would understand. And I told her, I said, Lisa, I said something happened to me. I said,

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I'm not sure what happened. She goes, what are you talking about? I said, Lisa, I said, I traveled.

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I said, I would, she said, dad, you were in a coma for four weeks. What do you mean you traveled?

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I said, I was in some big, beautiful city. I said, Paris, London, it was beautiful. I said,

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it was so clean and vibrant. And she says, you weren't in London or Paris if it was that clean

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and vibrant and beautiful. And I said, I don't know where I was. So I told her about Madison.

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And she said, well, who's Madison? I said, I don't know of Madison. I have no idea.

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And she said, well, who is the man that gave you? I said, again, I have no clue what this man is.

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I don't, I didn't know. And she tell you, you talk to her, she'll tell you that she was a bit

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skeptic that she really thought it was just the drugs that I was on. Sure. And she was a bit

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skeptic. So I was released. I had to learn to walk again. I had to learn to swallow. I have a damaged

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vocal cord still, but I had to learn to swallow. I was very, very weak. So I came home in a wheelchair.

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They wanted to send me to a rehabilitation center because I was still on some pretty heavy blood

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gunners. And they wanted to send me to a rehabilitation center. And I just said, no, I'm going home.

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And they said, well, the only way you can go home is if you have nursing care.

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I looked at my daughter and I said, she'll take care of me, you know. So she moved home. She was

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up in Mississippi at the time. So she moved back here to take care of me. I remember being back

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here in my bedroom and in my wheelchair watching TV, I went over to a junk, my junk drawer in

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my dresser. And I started rummaging through this drunk drawer. No idea what I was looking for.

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I was just rummaging through it. And I found a business card to a local barber shop that I had

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been to before. And I said, I don't know, been eight weeks, nine weeks, I'm going to get my hair cut.

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So I went out to the living room and I gave my, I gave this business card to my wife.

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And I said, could you call and see about making me an appointment to get my hair cut?

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And I said, I don't know what the restrictions are, you know, with COVID, I said, but I like to get my

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hair cut. He back into the room didn't think anything of it. Suddenly my daughter comes in.

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And now remember I was in law enforcement. I was the investigator of the family. And I was the

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interrogator, you know, I asked the questions. I'll bet your daughters love that the interrogator dad,

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where the boyfriends loved it more than them. I thought I was bad. You're, you were probably worse.

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Oh, I got stories. Trust me, my daughters could tell some too, I'm sure.

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So she came back in the room and she starts asking me, she said, dad, where did you get this card?

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And that's why I found it in my junk drawer. She's no, where did you get the card? And I said,

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I don't know. I said, I must have picked it up. And he said, how long have you had it?

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I said, I have no clue. I said, it looks tattered. I said, must have been in that bed

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drawer for a while. I don't know. So she asked, where did I get it? How long did I, you know,

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all these questions? And I finally just said, Lisa, what are you getting at? And she said, dad,

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look at the card. So I take the card, you look at the card, she was, I think we found your Madison.

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And I look at the card, find his day just like anybody else, business card, Madison Logan.

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So it was her card or, or that was handwritten on a business card?

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And I figured it was her card. But I then, and later she, her and I figured out that she did

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cut my hair a couple of times, but she didn't know my name. I didn't know her name. I must have picked

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up the card and just threw it in the dresser at some point in time. Didn't pay any attention to it.

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I certainly didn't know, you know, yeah, goose bump time to say, Oh, Madison. Yeah. Oh, Madison.

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She works at now. So I said, okay, make me an appointment. So my wife said, I,

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emotionally, I can't do this. She says, you two go down and do this. My daughter takes me down and

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I'm in a walker. And the manager, everybody else is waiting outside because of COVID. And they're

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taking people in one at a time. And the manager saw me there in the, in the walker. And she says,

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Hey, you can come in and sit down. She says, there's no need for you to, you know, sit out here. So

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we went inside and my daughter says, which one is Madison dad? And I said, I don't have a clue

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which one Madison is after a few minutes, this little girl dark hair walks up and she says,

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hi, I'm Madison. She said, I think you're my next appointment. She said, you're Randy. And I said,

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yeah, and she said, okay, you're my next appointment. So we go back and she starts cutting my hair.

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You know, I tell her what I want. So my daughter starts telling her that I had COVID and I had

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COVID and I had just gotten out of the hospital, but I'm better now. And, and didn't say anything about

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what I experienced, just the fact that I was really sick and was in the hospital. As she's

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cutting my hair, I said, Madison, I can ask you some personal questions. And she says,

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yeah, I don't mind. Go ahead. I said, if you don't want to answer, we don't have to.

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And I said, but are both your grandfather still alive? She kind of give me a funny look like,

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this guy asking me, you know, but she said, no, she said, my grandfather that I was closest with

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passed away. Now this is in May of 2020. He passed away in June of 2019. And she said,

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you know, one next year or next month will be one year, you know, since he has died.

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And I said, Oh, I said, well, does he live locally? Did I see this guy around town?

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Make did I run into him somewhere around town before? Have I seen him before? He's going

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through my mind. And she was no, no, she says, my whole family lives in Iowa.

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And I said, Oh, I said, so has he visited? Has your grandfather visit this area? Did he come

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down to see you? She goes, no, she's, she says, we have only been here. My husband and I,

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fiance at the time, my fiance, I have only been down here a short period of time. He just graduated

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from college and he's a doctor of physical therapy came down here for his first job.

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So we haven't been here very long, but no, she said, he's never been down to,

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to Florida that I, you know, that I know of. So you, the investigator is trying to put this whole

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thing together. I can tell you're almost interrogating yourself to make sure you've never met this guy

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before. Correct. Because if I've seen him before subconsciously, then that's probably what happened

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to me. You know, I remember seeing the guy as on drugs. He came back and that's some of the

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information that I needed to find out. Had I ever seen this person, have I talked to him,

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have I encountered him someplace and it all came back. No, I've never seen him. I've never

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encountered him, never talked to him. He's never been to Florida. I've never been to Iowa.

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He was a veteran, served in Vietnam. He was in the army and serving Vietnam,

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but he wasn't a career military person like I was. So he got out of the military,

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I think even before I entered the military and he was in the army and I was in the Air Force or

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I passed there and never crossed. But yeah, he's a veteran, served in Vietnam, never been to Florida.

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So I figured I had the right girl and I said to him, I said, Madison, I said, I think your grandfather

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came to me. He has a message for you. Now she's really looking at me strange. And I said, your

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grandfather wants you to know that he is okay. His exact words were told Madison at the salon,

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her grandfather is okay. And I said, so, you know, that the message that he wants to get to you. And

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I said, no, Madison, she's crying by this time. I'm crying, my daughter's crying. People in the

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barbershop are all looking at us, probably saying, what the heck did she do to upset him? But I said,

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Madison, she's obviously stopped cutting my hair at this point. And I said, Madison, I said, he

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moved on to a white porch. Is that significant? And she said that would have been his home in Iowa.

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She said it has a white porch that he loved sitting on the porch, talking to people as they went by.

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He lived downtown in their little town. He talked to people as they walked by. And what he were

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would sit out there after he retired, worked on his computer, love sitting on the white porch.

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And I saw he was making, he showed me red, white, and blue ribbons and American flags.

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I said, is that somehow connected? And she looked at me like I was an alien. I mean, her

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eye was just as white as they could be. And she said he belonged to the local VFW.

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Every Veterans Day, the whole family, her whole family would go down to the VFW

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and make red, white, and blue ribbons and American flags for the Veterans Grades.

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There had to have been a big pause at this point. Oh, it was she was just, holy cow.

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She was just beside herself at that point. Because how would I know that information?

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I mean, that's personal information. Sure. That's not privy to. The white porch.

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You know what I'd get on Google Earth and look at the house and there's a white porch, you know?

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As if you had the address. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So she took a break. We went in the back,

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just talked a little bit and exchanged phone numbers. And I apologize for doing it right in

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the middle of her work. She called me a couple of weeks later. And she says my grandmother

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would like to talk to you. I said, I'd love to talk to her. So I called her and we had a

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beautiful conversation. And that's Ferris name was John. John was in the Army. He went to Vietnam,

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retired, lived in Iowa his whole life. She told me the only time they ever made it to Florida

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was for a couple of weeks that they went over to Cocoa Beach, which was on the east coast of Florida.

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A good six, seven hour drive from where I'm at. We never made it up into the panhandle.

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And that was the only time they've ever been to Florida. We're seeing their talking and she said,

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when I told her that he materialized very, very briefly, very quickly. She says describing.

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And I said, well, I said, what I remember is a much younger man. I say, kind of olive skin,

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dark hair. And I said, I think a mustache. I said, I'm not sure, but I think he had a mustache.

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She said, can I send you a picture? I said, sure. So we had our conversation and

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my phone went off and I picked up my phone and I called her right back. And I said, I got your

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picture. And I said, that's who I saw. I said, that's who I saw.

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How did she react? Was she comforted? Was she crying?

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Well, she was crying at that point. I'm crying. I'm almost crying again. Yeah, she was crying,

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but it's not the first time. She is ranting. She said, you're going to find this very strange.

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She says, but it's not the, you're not the first person that told me something about John.

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Wow. And I said, please, Kath, tell me the story. And I guess after he passed away,

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she was going through some of his personal belongings and found a business card. And on the

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back of the business card, her business card was to an insurance company. And on the back of the card

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was an individual's name and phone number. So she thought, well, maybe he had an insurance

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policy that she didn't know about. So she called this phone number and she said she had to call

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two or three times before a man answered. And she goes, hi, she says, I'm Kathy. Last name.

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She said, I'm calling from Iowa. And on behalf of John, and he passed away. And, you know,

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I want to see it in the guy stopped her. And he goes, no, he says, I'm sorry. He says, you must

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have the wrong phone number. He said, what number did you call? So she read it off. She goes, I'm

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not calling here in Iowa. She says, no, he says, you're calling California. He said, that's a California

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phone number. And she goes, oh, I'm so sorry. She said, my past away recently. And she's like,

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I found this business card and it has this name on it, a phone number. And she says, you know, and

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he stopped and he says, what did you say your name was? And she goes, my name's Kathy. And she says,

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you're calling from Iowa. She says, yes. He goes, Kathy from Iowa, I'm going to tell you a story.

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He says, now, this must have been the fall of 2019, I would say, because she said true four months ago.

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But that would have been right after John died. He says, I was in a very terrible motorcycle accident.

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And he said, the paramedics said that I was dead when they scraped me off the pavement.

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And he is the only thing that I can remember is somebody screaming at me. Tell Kathy from Iowa,

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John is okay. And he kept repeating it and repeating it. And he goes, I was screaming back to him.

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I don't know anybody in Iowa. And he kept telling tell Kathy from Iowa, John is okay. I said, well,

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John is one pesky spirit. And I said, because he must have loved you very deeply that he wanted to get

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you and his granddaughter, the message that he is okay. That is so cool. That just blows me away.

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That's awesome. He died of a heart attack, massive heart attack. Kathy was not home when he died.

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His granddaughter wasn't home when he died. So nobody got a chance to say goodbye.

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And he died in their house. And some similar circumstances to where my dad died, died of a

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heart attack, massive, didn't get a chance to say goodbye, died in my arms. There are some similarities

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there. But boy, John wanted to get that message through. But when you think about it, how did John

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know that I had a remote connection? How did he even know of that connection between me and Madison,

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that we lived in the same town? And I went to a barbershop a couple of times, her salon, which a

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term I never used. So how did he knew that exists? How did he know that I was in heaven? And how did

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he know that I wasn't going to be staying in? That I was going to go to the barbershop? And

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how did he know that I wasn't going to be staying in? That I was going to go back. And I was the

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right person to deliver that message. And that third thing is the one that stands out to me,

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between you and the guy in California, the commonality is somehow John knew both of you were

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only there temporarily. Yeah. And who knows how many other people like you too, he tried to send a

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message through. It haven't been able to deliver it yet. Zero other people, hundred other people,

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who knows? Yeah. We don't know. But that, yeah, that's fascinating. It blew me away when she

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told me that story. Because when I came home from the hospital, again, I had no clue. I wasn't

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totally naive of a near death experience definition, because you see the movies and

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you hear, you know, different things of people having these experiences. But I certainly didn't

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know what I experienced because I started to Google, Golden City, after death communication,

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all of these things, and I still kept coming back to near death experiences, near death experience,

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seeing relatives, seeing dead relatives, come back to near death experiences. So I started to dive

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into those a little bit more. The religious side, I wanted to, I figured that a priest

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has got to know what I experienced and where I was. I hope you weren't too disappointed there.

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Yeah. Go ahead. What happened? One of them hung up on me. Yeah. Literally hung up on me.

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The other one wouldn't talk to me, wouldn't take my phone call when they told him what it was about.

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There was a lady on the street that I live on. She asked me if I'd be a guest speaker

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at their luncheon, at their Catholic ladies' luncheon. And I said, I'd love to be. I said,

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but I said, you need to check with your priest and how he feels about near death experiences

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in me talking about being in heaven and what I experienced. Two, three weeks later, I see her.

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And I said, hey, I said, when is that luncheon? I said, I'd like to get a pen on my calendar.

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And she goes, oh, I'm sorry, we decided to go with somebody else. Okay. Now, I will say there is one

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preacher in community church here, very large community church. My daughter goes to it, my oldest

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daughter, and she went to hit him, I guess, a lot when I was in the hospital for prayer and

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and just comfort. And he heard what I had experienced. And he told my daughter, because I have to talk

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to him, because I want to talk to your dad. And he was very open and very understanding.

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As a matter of fact, I later went down and gave a presentation to their senior ministry group.

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He has been very open and honest with me about what I experienced and possibly where I was

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and able to help me put some meaning to where I was. Because I wasn't really religious. I never

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grew up religious like before. I mean, we stopped going to church. The church just didn't give me

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what I needed for that proof that I needed that this existed after I'm gone. There is life after

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death. Because like I said before, I just feared it.

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Let's talk about proof and evidence for a minute. We teased that we would come back to this.

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After your near death experience and you get out of the hospital and everything,

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were you in some way doubting what really happened to you? Did you need more evidence?

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I wanted somehow to validate what I experienced. Yes, I needed more evidence. Because I was a

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hallucination. Was it just a very, very vivid dream? Or did it actually happen? I felt that it

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actually happened. I felt that way, but I didn't know what I experienced. I didn't know the meaning

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behind it. So was the Madison and John experience enough evidence for you to know it really happened?

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Yes, that gave me my proof that there is life after death. So what about people that haven't had that

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proof? What can you give them? I think this is some of the reasons why that I was allowed to come back.

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I was a lost sheep. I was someone that didn't go to church. I still don't go to church, but I'm very,

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very spiritual now. I have my own personal relationship with God. He and I talk every day.

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And I thank Him every day for giving me this opportunity to share with people my truth. What

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happened to me? That there is hope, that there is something after we leave here. I really think

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we're here for a purpose. It's for learning, learning about life, learning how to love,

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learning how to get along with people. Because that's really what I felt the strongest in heaven

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was that love and that warmth and acceptance. No judgment. I wasn't judged for anything.

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So it gives us great hope. Madison, he gave me that proof that I needed. He knew that I needed it.

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He just says, Randy's not going to go back with visiting a city and we were a little boy,

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whoever that was, telling me, you know, time is up. He had to send John to me so I can sit there and

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validate exactly what happened. I experienced it and it was real. I mean, there's no other explanation

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for it. John helped you and you helped him. Okay, I know we're running awfully long here today. Not

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your fault at all. But I have a couple of other questions, maybe some advice that you can give.

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First, medical staff. When they hear a story like this from a patient, yeah, what's your advice for

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them? How can they better? I don't know. You know, just not poo poo what maybe happened to somebody,

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just because they don't understand it. Let me share something with the families

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of someone who's in a coma first. Because I know this is so important and I know the medical staff

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tells the family member, talk to them, talk to that person, he or she that is in that coma.

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They can hear you, they can feel you. And I'm telling you here as a person that have been in a coma,

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that is true. Not all the time was I present that I could hear my nurses and doctors talking,

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but there was one particular nurse named as Madison. So another Madison? I'm sorry, Mallory.

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I'm sorry, Mallory. She was my angel. Yeah, sorry, I got emotional. I got, yeah, Mallory was one of

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my critical care nurses and she wore a big black, heavy M1 mask, you know, for COVID. Whenever she

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was there, I heard her voice because she always would come up to me and say, Mr. Randy, you know,

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I'm here, I'm here today. Mallory, I'm with you. And I knew right away that it was going to be a good

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day, that I was going to be safe. Because I knew Mallory was there. And I remember opening my eyes

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and seeing her. Now I'm in a coma. And she told me this before. I said, Mallory, you know, this,

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this and if she was Mr. Sheifer, how do you know that? I said, I saw you. I urge you. He was,

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she was in a coma, big dark mask. You know, she always wore a dark blue gown. I saw those things.

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And I heard her. So always talking because they're going to be in and out, but they can't hear you.

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As far as the nursing staff, if someone is that close of death, and I know hospice nurses

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experience this a lot more than a nurse in a hospital, because I've talked to a lot of hospice

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nurses that have experienced right before an individual dies that process. Yeah. And we've

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heard that on this show too. We've had nurse Hadley was on here last year and gave a beautiful

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account of some experiences when they were very close to death. But I'm sorry, you keep going.

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But for the medical staff, the doctors and nurses, I know it goes against all of their science,

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especially the doctors. I think the nurses are a little bit more understanding, but the doctors

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really go by the science of it. I have one doctor that does really believe me in my respiratory

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care therapist. He really believes what I had gone through, but he is also a very religious person.

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So if you don't have that religious side, what I experience and what I try to translate,

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no, it can't happen. It can't happen. They become the doubter. They become the skeptic that I was,

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because they don't want to hear it. And a lot of, like I said, a lot of the pastors that I've talked

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to, there's a lot of people that I have talked to that don't want to hear it. Yeah. They just,

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nope, nope, nope. That didn't happen. That didn't happen. That couldn't have happened.

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I get hate mail. No one goes to heaven to God. No one is, you've got to wait for God to bring

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you to heaven, the judgment day, and that's their belief. I'm not going to change it.

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That's their belief, but let's all remember to just not judge each other.

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Yeah, exactly. Well, God doesn't.

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Not for me to judge you and what happened to you. There's a lot of people that have experienced

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total life reviews. Yes. You've heard of those? Sure.

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I don't think I was allowed to go deep enough, because I knew I wasn't supposed to be there

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to begin with. So I wasn't allowed to go deep enough into heaven to get a total life review.

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I would have loved to. My life has changed since my near death experience. I'm much more accepting.

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I am totally less sentimental. My kids and my family tell me all the time, you know,

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I'm just a different person than what I was before, because before I was at hard nose,

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top by the book. Interrogate evidence proof.

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Right. Period. Right.

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So a follow-up question to that is what advice do you have for families? Not just while someone's

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in a coma, but if someone has had an experience and they come to you and say, yeah, you know,

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I was in heaven or I was in hell, there are some of those too.

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Yeah, but then? What advice do you have for the family members who are hearing this and are maybe

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skeptical? Help them research it. Why not? There's a lot of websites and a lot of information out there.

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I've been, don't judge, don't be judgmental. Listen to what they say, because they experience

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something that is very meaningful to them, whatever it may be. You may disagree with it.

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You may believe that it didn't happen. But for whatever reason, they knew that they experienced

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something. So why not help them to try to understand what they experienced, what they went through?

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There's a lot of resources that you can reach out to.

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And may I just add, there are resources out there like ION's International Association for

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Near Death Studies. There are a lot of things online. There are a lot of books. But for family

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members, I would say just remember, if they feel like it happened to them, let's accept that. Let's

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love them. The last thing they need after something medically or physically traumatic has happened,

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and they're trying to process, the last thing they need is you doubting, judging and other

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things like that. I 100%. I couldn't have said that better. You said it much better than I did.

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Like I said, Lisa was skeptical. She even asked me why I would want to find somebody.

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And I said, well, a veteran gave another veteran a message. I feel I have a responsibility to

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write a finder. We had that long conversation. I was hesitant to even say anything to my family

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initially other than Lisa because I really wasn't sure what happened to me either. But I took it

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upon myself to research it, be accepting, be open. Like you said, love them and help them

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understand what they went through. Well, I'm happy you had such a beautiful experience.

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Randy, thanks so much for being with me today. I enjoyed it. Thank you, sir. I appreciate the

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opportunity. Thank you so much. Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast. Don't forget

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