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From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.
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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.
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And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my
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physical body because I was somewhere else.
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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
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anything else to be felt.
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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.
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On back home again.
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Incredibly safe and felt at home.
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Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody.
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And a special warm welcome to two guests that we have today, Regine and Terry.
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And this is horrible.
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I forgot your last names, but I have them here.
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Regine Bailey and Terry Masters, right?
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Who's who?
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I'm Regine, I'm Terry.
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Okay.
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I'm going to give a little explanation before we start and get to know you two because this
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is going to be a very, very unusual episode of the podcast.
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And I'm trying to figure out how even to explain this.
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First of all, we have two people on at the same time because their story goes together
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and it overlaps and it intermingles and intertwines and you'll find that in a few minutes.
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The other thing that I wanted to bring up, I spent last week at the IONS convention for
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this year, which was down in Phoenix.
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And we had some wonderful lectures and presentations about near-death experiences and shared death
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experiences, which is something we'll be talking more about in future episodes of this show.
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But the unusual thing about these two here that we'll be talking about today, it's more
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like shared near-death experiences, which I promise is a topic that never came up at
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the IONS conference.
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So this is something new for a lot of people and there's going to be some surprises and
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it's going to be a lot of fun.
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And we have hours and hours to talk about and we're going to try to figure out how to
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condense it and make it in some sort of a fashion that makes some sense.
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So good luck to all three of us today.
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And especially to me to figure out how the heck to do this.
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But let's start with letting our listeners get to know you too just a little bit.
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And by the way, Terry and Regine are just best of friends, closest friends, as you'll
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also come to learn.
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But Terry, give us one minute on who is Terry first.
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Hi, my name is Terry Masters.
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Went through cancer, beat it several times.
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Of course, you know, I'm one that had the NDE's.
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I have a widow.
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I have three young boys.
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Well, they're not young.
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They're young men now.
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And I have two great grandbabies that just make my life complete.
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Did you say great grandbabies?
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No.
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Or grandbabies that are great.
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But they're all, they're amazing, I should say.
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You didn't look old enough to be great.
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They look good in general.
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All right.
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Regine.
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All right.
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I'm Regine.
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I live just north of Seattle.
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I'm also widowed.
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I have four children and three grandchildren that are also great that make my life complete
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as well.
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I have always been Terry's contact person through any medical procedures or emergencies
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or really anything and everything.
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And a lot of times we were, she was 2,000 miles apart from each other when these were
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happening as she would be in West Virginia.
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And I would be in Seattle.
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So we have, everything is documented through text because of that.
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I was never present.
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So we have everything documented in text.
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So I just wanted to just kind of preface this with that we are close friends because of
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the experiences that we've gone through.
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And we're now roommates.
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So we both, she came out here from West Virginia.
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So here we are.
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And by the way, thanks for sending the book.
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Dancing in the Sky.
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I got a start on it.
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I haven't finished it yet.
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It is a pretty quick read.
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And it's a beautiful story about two close friends.
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And about going through struggles of cancer and et cetera, et cetera.
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In addition to talking about near death experiences, which we're going to dive into even deeper
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today.
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But maybe we should start with Terry.
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Give us just a little bit of, if you don't mind, nothing too personal, but history with
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your diagnosis and a general overview of treatment that you've been through so far.
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It all started out, I was like constantly having heartburn all the time.
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And then it led to me having problems swallowing food.
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It would get lodged in my throat.
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So when it started doing that, I knew I needed to go see a doctor to see what was going on.
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And that's when they ran some tests on me and I discovered that I was at stage three
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esophageal cancer.
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And after that, I had to have a surgery to actually have part of my esophagus removed
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and my stomach stretched.
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So I had to be on a liquid diet for so long to wait for it to heal up and stuff like that.
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Had to go through the chemo and radiation.
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So surgery, chemo and radiation.
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Yeah.
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So any different surgeries have you had?
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Oh.
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Well, everything happened, liquid, then two and a half years from January of 2019 was
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the first major surgery and the first, her first NDE.
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And the last one was September of 2022.
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And that one was when she was actually out here in Seattle and there was fluid and then
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air around her heart.
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So as far as surgeries and the complications from the surgeries, at least 15, we haven't
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processed them all yet.
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There's a lot to process and talked about a lot.
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There's just been a lot of different surgeries that you've had, brain tumors, hemorrhages.
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And then let's just throw in just for the heck of it, a car accident where she was hit
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by a drunk driver who was going 50 miles an hour through an intersection, in addition
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to the other things that were also happening in her life.
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So a lot happened in the two and a half years.
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Well, and even more than that, based on the book, there's an assault.
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There's just, oh my goodness, I can't believe how much you've been through, Terry.
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By the way, I'm hearing a little squeak in the background.
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Is that a dog?
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Okay.
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Okay, so I don't know if our listeners can hear that if they can.
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Just to just smile.
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It's just, we'll pretend it's a happy puppy back there.
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Yeah.
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Hopefully he'll stop, but I'm not sure.
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Not a problem.
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This is going to be a huge number, but you've had about 11 NDE-type experiences now.
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We don't have time to talk about all of them today.
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And frankly, as you were saying earlier, you haven't had a chance really to process all
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of them.
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It, and it does take time, and I get it.
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So, but what, tell us a little bit about the very first near-death experience that you
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guys remember and a little bit about what happened.
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My first one is when I had, after having the radiation and the chemo, it kind of damaged
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some of my blood stem cells, so they had to find a procedure to try to restore those,
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which I had to have a stem cell procedure, which was very risky because it was either
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I do it or I don't.
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If I don't do it, then I've got 0% chance of living.
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If I do it, I've got 20% chance of living.
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So that's when I go to RGN and I'm like, I just don't know what to do.
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I'm scared.
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I don't know what to do.
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This is the thing she always tells me, let's weigh our pros and cons.
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You know, if you don't do it, you've got 0%.
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If you do it, you've got 20%.
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So that's pretty much when I decided to put on a brief face and head to the operating
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room.
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But what happened?
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Tell me about the experience itself.
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I mean, did you actually die on the operating table?
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Um, yes.
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I don't remember much, much after going under when I went into the operating room.
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The only thing I remember is being in this dark tunnel and seeing a bright light at the
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end of it.
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As I got to the end where the bright light was, I seen this massive figure and it, you
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know, kind of a little confusing at what I was seeing.
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And I think it kind of realized it.
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And that's when it kind of transformed and when it transformed into these three beautiful
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angels.
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But these angels kind of reminded me of an angel that my grandmother always had set in
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her house.
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And it was like, it was a fiber optic angel.
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It would light up.
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She always had it lit up and they had these glowing, they had like glowing lights all around
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them.
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They were just a beautiful thing to see.
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Next thing I know is that they've taken me to this, to this garden and in the garden,
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I see all these animals and all these flowers.
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I mean, it was, it was just an amazing view.
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It was like Noah's Ark with all the animals were just right there.
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Slow down.
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I want a little more detail.
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Do you have any idea this first figure or being that you saw who, what that was?
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At the time I didn't.
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I mean, it was, you know, like I said, I was confused at what I was seeing.
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And I think it sense that, and that's when it transformed into three angels.
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And even at this time, I really didn't know who these angels were because this was all
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new to me.
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I want to hear detail about the garden.
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Can you describe trees, plants, whatever you saw?
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Yeah.
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I mean, the garden was full of every flower that you could possibly imagine seeing a Roma
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with the sense that I've never smelled before.
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Every animal, I mean, it was just, I mean, it's just like they're just all around.
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I mean, it was like no care, no worries.
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I mean, just quite beautiful, just so comforting.
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Every animal, can you remember any that you saw?
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Oh, I've seen dogs.
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I've seen cats.
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I've seen, I've seen lines.
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I've seen, I mean, you name it.
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I mean, I've seen every animal as if you would see them walking on Noah's Ark.
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It was just amazing.
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It was mind blowing, to be honest.
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And what happened next after the garden?
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They take me on into the garden and I hear this familiar voice and I knew this voice.
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I knew it was my grandmother.
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But as they got me closer to where she was sitting, I didn't recognize her because she
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was at such a young age and I had never seen her at that age before.
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So, but I knew it was her, just by her voice and the things she was saying to me.
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It was as if she was just sitting there waiting to just have a conversation with me like she
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was waiting for me to show up.
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We just started having a conversation.
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She was just, you know, telling me how proud she was of me for going through all the struggles
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that I've been through and was still going through.
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And she always knew that I struggled with self-love and self-worth and I guess she was
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making it a point to tell me, you know, how well and how far I was coming with everything.
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Was this the grandmother that you were close with?
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Yes.
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This grandmother was like a mother to me.
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Now, you said that she was much young, looked much younger.
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How young?
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Closer to eight or closer to 28?
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I'd say she was probably in her 20s, 30s.
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That is so neat.
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Was there anything else before the experience ended?
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Yeah.
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I wasn't wanting to leave my grandmother, but she kept telling me that, you know, I
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needed to go back, I needed to return because I had things to do, but I wanted to be with
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her because she was like my go-to person for everything.
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And I just didn't want to leave her.
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And I really believe that the angel sensed that I was struggling with returning.
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And that's when they led me to the stream of water.
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And as I was like glancing down in the water, I see a reflection and her reflection was
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of Ray Jean's.
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Glad to see her in this reflection, but not the way that I seen her.
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She was like, looked like she was texting on her phone.
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All of a sudden, I see her.
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She's actually at work.
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I see her walk over to one of the co-workers that she worked with.
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And she just like walked to her and she was just shook her head, no.
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And then she just never said anything and kind of like turned around and walked back
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into a section of the store that she would never normally work in.
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And I could see that she had tears rolling down her face.
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So I was a little bit confused and was asking how I could get a message to her to let her
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know that I was okay.
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Well, maybe I got that on a little mix though there.
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That was a yeah, but you know, that is true.
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You did think that was.
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I didn't.
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Yeah.
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So, but she was in the store.
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So we're going to talk about some communication that was in the fourth NDE right now.
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That was in the fourth one.
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And let's, let's take these in order.
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Let's stick with the first one for just a minute.
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Was there anything else to it?
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I did see her.
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I see her in a reflection of the water.
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That's when you were sitting on the couch.
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No, that's at the store.
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You're right.
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So Eric, we're getting kind of confused.
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I'm sorry.
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But the very first one was when you saw me in the store and then that's when your grandmother
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said that you needed to go back and.
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Yeah.
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That's when I'm okay.
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Yes.
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I'm so sorry that I'm getting confused or just like again, there's just so many of them.
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But that's when I did see her in the store and I knew that I needed to let her know that
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I was okay.
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And I knew I needed to return.
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I needed to return for her.
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I needed to return for my kids.
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All of a sudden I kind of felt like I was being weighed down and then I started falling
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at a fast pace.
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And the next thing I know is I woke up in a cold hospital room with my son looking down
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at me, telling me that he would take me home just as soon as they released me.
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Okay.
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Wow.
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That's a lot for anybody to have one experience like that.
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Let's go ahead and jump to number two.
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How much later was number two?
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September of 2020.
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It was about a year and a half later and that was the car accident.
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So she had a, she had the car accident, September of 2020, about a year and a half later and
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a couple months after that was the assault.
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So each one of those were near death experiences.
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And then the fourth one was May of 2021 where she had a brain tumor and she had absolutely
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actually collapsed with it because of the pressure on her brain until she was brought
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into the emergency non-responsive.
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So the fourth one is actually where we had our first communication.
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And I was the contact person for the nurse, so I get a text out of the blue from Terry
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Stone just stating that this was the ER nurse and she wanted to make sure that I was who
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I was and that I was her contact person.
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And I said I was and she told me that I had a decision that I needed to make.
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And she briefly told me that Terry was brought in unresponsive.
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They wanted to know and then looking at her records, they knew that she had a brain tumor.
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They wanted to know if they should call time or if they should hook her up to life support.
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I know you're at this point there was a little bit of history.
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So I knew that she did crash.
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I knew that she did her surgeries were distressing to her, but I knew that she could come back.
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So I mean, I immediately said put her on life support.
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So they did that hoping to stabilize her to be able to do the surgery.
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So it was when she was on life support in this condition that the first text came through
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and from her phone to mine and it was handwritten and it just said, I will always love you.
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And I'm like, oh my God, I immediately was followed by the nursing.
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I did not send them.
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I'm like, oh my God, what just happened?
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Okay, hang on, hang on.
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Yeah.
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Hang on.
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I know.
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I don't want to blow everybody's minds too fast.
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I know.
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You got a little bit ahead of me, but that's okay.
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We'll jump to this spot.
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Whose phone did the text come from, Regene?
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From Terry's phone or the nurses phone?
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Terry's phone.
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So the nurses always, when I would get updates from the nurses that was always on Terry's
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phone.
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Okay.
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So they would always have Terry's phone.
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And then I would get like, like for instance, I know we're jumping around here, but the
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first one that she was talking about, I would, and what she was seeing, she was seeing me
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actually communicating with the nurse and I was getting the updates from that surgery.
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I was crying because they had, she had crashed.
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She was in cardiac arrest.
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They were giving me, she was giving me a countdown, you know, 10, 15, 20, 25.
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And then I lost contact with the nurse.
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There was no contact and I didn't know what to think.
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So I thought she had shit past.
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I thought she had crossed.
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And that's when I walked over to that coworker and just shook my head, no, you know, like
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she didn't make it.
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There weren't many that knew what was going on, but she was one that did.
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And so that's what Terry had seen me and totally validated exactly what I was doing.
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So this was how our communication through the nurses, my communication through the nurses,
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but it always was through Terry's phone.
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Okay.
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So, and we weren't ever, I wasn't ever in a hospital with her.
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So everything was always fight tech.
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Okay.
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So Terry, we're talking about NDE number four now.
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Was this what remind me?
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Was this one surgery or from the accident?
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What was this one from?
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This is when I had a brain tumor and I knew that I was going to have to proceed going
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on with having something to do, you know, have something done with it.
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But I didn't know at the extent how bad it was.
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I was actually working and I had collapsed at work due from the pressure of the tumor,
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you know, cushion on my brain.
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They had rushed me to the hospital and I mean, the only thing I remember once again is being
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in the presence of the angels.
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This time I knew who these angels were because over the first, second, third, I had learned
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who they were.
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Who were they?
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And for instance, on this one, I always have an archangel Michael.
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He's always there because he's like the protector of, you know, he's just a protector of you.
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So he's always in my presence.
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Even had Archangel Azrael there with me this time.
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I was a little confused because, you know, I see my body in a hospital bed and I see
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like all the medical team just frantically working on me.
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So I was really confused at what had happened.
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That's when the team of archangels just come in and take me to the scene of my accident.
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I'm not the car accident.
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I'm sorry.
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I see I'm getting confused.
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That's okay.
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I understand.
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Well, this is like the second time I've talked about it and it's like the first time we knew
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we were only talking about the six and now we didn't know if we were going to be talking
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about all of them and I just got a little confused.
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It's okay.
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And that's what Regine is here for.
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And help keep us all on track.
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Yeah.
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This was the first communication and this was the gen when Archangel Michael brought
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you to again like a clear stream of water and that's when you saw me.
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I was sitting on my couch and I again had my phone and texting with the nurses.
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Yeah.
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That's when you saw me and you asked Archangel.
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Yeah.
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I seem to help me get a message out to her because I seen her sitting on the couch.
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She was upset once again crying and she was petting her dogs.
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Yeah.
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I just didn't want her to be so upset.
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So I was just like, I need help.
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That's when Archangel Michael looked at me and says, what can I do for you that you can't
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do for yourself?
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And that's what I just said.
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I need to relay a message to her to let her know that I'm okay.
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And that's when I learned that you can communicate telepathically with the angels.
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So I asked to relay a message and the message was I wanted to tell her that I will always
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love you.
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She seemed to still be struggling.
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I just decided, all right, I need to keep relaying messages to her.
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I needed to let her know that I was there with her and that I was going to stay by her
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side until she fell asleep because she had done that for me so many times after my surgeries
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and before surgeries.
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So I wanted to do that.
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But she was still struggling.
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So with her struggling like that, it was causing me to start to struggle because I didn't want
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her to be like, yeah, I feel that way.
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I think Archangel Michael realized that.
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So he showed me a way how he was going to help both of us.
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We both had heart stones that we had gotten on a previous trip together.
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That's when Archangel Michael went and retrieved my heart stone and put it in my hand while
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I was in surgery.
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And somehow I held onto that heart stone throughout my whole surgery.
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But I can still clearly see Regine walking out of her house to go to work or wherever
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she was going that day and Archangel Michael stepped in and just had to turn around and
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go retrieve her heart stone.
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Okay.
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For those that don't know, what is a heart stone?
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It's like a crystal that's in the shape of a heart.
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Okay.
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It can also be called a worry stone, but we call it a heart stone because of the shape.
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But it's kind of got a little indent in it and you can hold it and kind of rub it and
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the crystal is rose quartz.
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So it just kind of soothes you and comforts you.
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And so we each had one.
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Do you happen to have one of those here for those that are seeing the video?
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They can see one.
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So this one is actually the tree and this one isn't the rose quartz.
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I think yours is your rose quartz.
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But it's shaped like a heart and in here, there's a little indent.
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So you just kind of hold it in your hand and you just kind of rub it.
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All right, Terry, you were just saying Archangel Michael put that in your hand during surgery?
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Yes.
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Where was it?
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It was in my pants pocket that I was wearing before I went into the hospital.
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So are those pants with the heart stone like in your hospital room, but you're in the surgical
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room?
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Yes.
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And somehow, you know, okay, let's face it, some people are going to have a hard time believing
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some of this stuff.
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So I just want to make it clear.
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Somehow that stone got from your pants pocket into your hand during surgery in a sterile
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environment, right?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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And Regine, where was yours?
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Well, when this happened, this was the following day and she was able to get stable enough
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for them to do the surgery and I had to go to work and so I was leaving knowing that
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the surgery had started and then I just hear this voice, you know, and mine was in, I have
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a big crystal ball, mine was in my crystal ball and just, I just heard, grab your heart
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stone.
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I'm like, okay, so I just went back, grab my heart stone.
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So I was holding, when I went to work, I was holding my heart stone in my hand like pretty
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much all day and just kind of thinking about what was going on.
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She did go through the surgery.
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She did, they were waiting for her to wake up and about this time I get a text from the
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nurse and she's like, oh my God, you're not going to believe it.
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And she's, Terry has a heart stone in her hand.
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She's had this heart stone in her hand and I have no idea where, that she said, there's
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nobody that could have put this in her hand.
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She obviously couldn't, she wasn't even awake yet.
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And so she was kind of freaking out like, oh my gosh, I go, I have that same heart stone
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in my hand.
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So the nurse wasn't supposed to do this, but she actually snapped the picture of Terry's
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hand and sent it to me and I snapped the picture of mine and sent it back.
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And she's like, oh my gosh, this is the same heart stone in the same hand.
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And we both have the same tattoo that says, just breathe, which we got when she first
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was diagnosed with cancer, which is our mantra, you know, just breathe.
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So it was kind of validation.
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And she's like, that we found out later that that was Archangel Michael's way of letting
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us know, or letting me know.
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When I actually said to the nurse, I said, I think that that's validation that she's
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going to be okay.
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At that time, I had no idea that she had the NDE until she actually woke up and we were
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able to talk and validate what we had both gone through.
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You mentioned a minute ago, we're going to talk about it more.
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A text message.
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Again, people, if you want to be skeptical, go ahead.
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I find these, I find Regine and Terry to be very credible.
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We have spoken previously.
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I've read quite a bit of their book.
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What came first, finding out about the heart stone or the text message?
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The text message came first.
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So this was, you know, probably around nine, 10 o'clock at night, my time when I first
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got the message that she was, well, maybe a little early, that she was actually brought
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into the hospital.
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Probably earlier than that.
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The text went on until about midnight.
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When Terry was with me and she said, I'm going to stay with you until you fall asleep.
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I thought, there's no way I'm falling asleep.
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I did.
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I did.
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I did feel her presence that it was comforting and I did fall asleep.
484
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We had had a bit of conversation, text back and forth.
485
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,160
I woke up the next morning, my phone was laying next to him, like, oh my gosh, this
486
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,160
really happened.
487
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,720
And so then I look at my phone and I'm like, it really happened.
488
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,480
And so then I reached out to the nurse and asked for an update and that's when they told
489
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:57,400
me that she was stable enough to be able to start the surgery.
490
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,320
And at that point, that was the next day.
491
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:04,520
And at that point, I had to go to work and grab my heart stone and it was later on that
492
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:05,520
afternoon.
493
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:10,440
We didn't have any more communication, text or anything, but it was that afternoon when
494
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:15,080
she actually did wake up from the personal jerk.
495
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:20,080
And you were smart enough to take screenshots of a bunch of these text messages.
496
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,480
You sent a few to me because I was skeptical and I just had to see him.
497
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,280
Do you mind if I show a couple?
498
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:28,280
Sure.
499
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:29,280
Okay.
500
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,800
See if people can read this from my phone.
501
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,640
All right.
502
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,160
There's the one we were talking about.
503
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,160
The first one.
504
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:41,160
Yeah.
505
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,600
The first one where you said that you wanted to send her this message, I'll always love
506
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:46,600
you.
507
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:52,280
I'm sure there are people out there that are smarter than me that know how to do a hand
508
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,400
written message in a text somehow.
509
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,760
I've never done it.
510
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,000
Do either of you know how to do it?
511
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,400
I did when I had an iPhone.
512
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:08,120
I don't know if that was part of it cause, you know, you just do this like I'll always
513
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:14,040
love you, but through the course of the time they started out as hand written and mostly
514
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:19,400
they were hand written and then kind of towards the end they were more tech like we would
515
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,600
tech.
516
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,360
But it was always when we would have these communications, it was always her.
517
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:26,360
I knew it was her.
518
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,120
She would call me by the same nickname.
519
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,720
She would call me Raj.
520
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,000
She would have the same quirky answer.
521
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:38,080
So it was her consciousness was exactly the same as if we were, these texts were exactly
522
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:43,520
as if we would be sitting next to each other exactly how we would text if she was in the
523
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,280
next room.
524
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,360
And did you verify the time on this?
525
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,160
Was this during surgery?
526
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:55,960
That was when, no, that was after, that one was no, that was the first one was before
527
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:56,960
surgery.
528
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:57,960
Okay.
529
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,600
But Tara, you mentioned that you were with Archangel Michael.
530
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,120
Yeah, that was during.
531
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,520
You got that message I will always love you when I was.
532
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,280
I like support before surgery.
533
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,600
So you were on, Tara, you were unconscious.
534
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:11,600
That's the bottom.
535
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:12,760
Yeah, I was unconscious.
536
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:19,040
And I noticed if you look at the very bottom, that note that's from the nurse, right?
537
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,360
Yeah, I did not send that.
538
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:29,680
And it's, yeah, Regene's response to that is OMG and the nurse says I did not send that.
539
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:35,840
So I would be having really a conversation with the nurse on Terry's phone and with Terry
540
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,400
on Terry's phone.
541
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:42,240
So and it's pretty when you read through the dialogue, it's pretty evident on who, I mean,
542
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:47,080
because the rest would be handwritten for one, but it was evident on who the conversations
543
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:52,760
but, but Terry never, ever responded to anything that the nurse would say that conversations
544
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,400
were always only between her and me.
545
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:56,400
Always.
546
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,080
And it was never, ever like, oh, you know, she would be talking to the nurse and she'd
547
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,360
be talking to him, but it was never that.
548
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:03,360
Okay.
549
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,520
That's really cool and super unusual.
550
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,800
Were you both in Seattle then or in different states?
551
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,120
Now you were in West Virginia and I was in Seattle.
552
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:21,280
So you were thousands of miles apart when this happened.
553
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,320
It's still blowing me away, but there's a whole bunch of these.
554
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,360
It's a hundredth of a secret for all of them, all of them saved.
555
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:34,360
As long as we're talking text messages, let's talk about the next one that you sent me,
556
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,160
which is this one.
557
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,800
Everybody can see that.
558
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:45,080
And my apologies to those that are just listening and not seeing the video.
559
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,440
What we're seeing here is some handwriting.
560
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:54,040
Again, I want to come home and then some stick figure kind of drawings that I wasn't sure
561
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:58,880
what they were at first until you said, and we'll talk about those.
562
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,640
And those were angels, right?
563
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,720
And Ray Jean says, fight Terry.
564
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:09,720
And then ask, are those angels that were drawn?
565
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:15,120
And the response is, yes, that's who I'm with.
566
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:16,440
Which NDE was this?
567
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,240
What's going on here, Terry?
568
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,760
That was when I had fluid around the heart.
569
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:21,960
You said, okay.
570
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:28,240
That was my 10th NDE, August of 2022.
571
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,240
Do you remember any of this?
572
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,800
Terry, do you remember what you were experiencing?
573
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:34,800
I do.
574
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:40,960
I was actually going around with Archangel Joffiel.
575
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,320
I think that's when I described it.
576
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,480
I felt like I was a character in the Jetsons.
577
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,520
Just going around with all the freedom in the world.
578
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,320
Just no worries.
579
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,360
Give me a whole bunch more detail.
580
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:58,120
Who is this angel and where were you flying to and how is that all working?
581
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,920
We were just flying around the clouds, bright skies.
582
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,120
Archangel Joffiel is always with me.
583
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:11,960
And the reason that Archangel Joffiel is there, because she helps you with self-love and self-care,
584
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:17,720
again, something I struggle with, even still to this day, she was just trying to teach
585
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:22,800
me a lesson that I needed to have more self-love for myself.
586
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,920
I needed to care for myself like I do for others.
587
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,520
I seem to always put others way above myself.
588
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:35,840
We were just flying around as she's trying to teach me lessons on self-worth, seeing the
589
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,880
self-love and the caring love for others.
590
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:45,720
I don't know how much more to explain except that I was flying around.
591
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:51,640
Flying is probably very hard to believe, but it's real.
592
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:52,640
It happened.
593
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:58,280
You know, sometimes this is the hardest part to tell this, because you got so many people
594
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,120
that's not going to believe it, but they don't have to.
595
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,120
I was there.
596
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:04,440
I went through it.
597
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:05,440
It happened.
598
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,320
It's something I'll never forget.
599
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,200
Going through all this and doing this, this has helped me realize that I'm not afraid
600
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:13,200
to die anymore.
601
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,360
If it's my time, I'm ready.
602
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,760
How do you know this wasn't just a dream?
603
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,200
Lots of us have dreams of flying, right?
604
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:28,640
I think that what makes it real is the communication that was coming through on my end.
605
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:33,960
Then also me talking with the nurse, she had gone in to remove fluid that was around her
606
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:39,000
heart and she had immediately crashed, which was typical.
607
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,640
She immediately went into cardiac arrest.
608
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,680
There wasn't a lot of communication on this one.
609
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,880
She was just basically telling me who she was with, which every time she had an NDE,
610
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,160
that was always her main thing of telling me who she was with, what she was doing.
611
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:57,120
She just didn't want me to worry and just to try to let me know that she was going
612
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,360
to come back.
613
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,640
I didn't always know that, you know, that if she was or not, because you have always
614
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,400
given choices.
615
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:11,400
This particular one, it was short and it was when she did not have a lot of communication,
616
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,080
but I knew that she was with.
617
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,960
It was funny on this one because then when she did, you know, they did revive her and
618
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:23,520
she did wake up from the procedure, she immediately wanted to grab her phone, which she always
619
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,040
did from the nurse and let me know.
620
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,120
Oh my gosh, she said, I was with Jo-Fiel and I'm like, I know.
621
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,720
She's like, how do you know?
622
00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:31,240
I think, because you told me.
623
00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:34,560
Then we started talking, I did.
624
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,240
She said, I was flying with the angels and I said, you told me that.
625
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:42,440
Then, then you told me this, which is funny about her wanting to be your BFF.
626
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,440
Oh, no, I've already got to be.
627
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:46,440
If I can't, yeah.
628
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,120
Yeah, our cage is actually after to beat her BFF.
629
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,520
An angel, an angel.
630
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:52,640
And we laughed so much.
631
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:53,640
We still laugh about that.
632
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:54,640
And she declined.
633
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:55,640
She declined.
634
00:35:55,640 --> 00:36:01,960
I think it was because I had so many encounters with her to where I'd struggle with the self-care
635
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,720
and she was always there to try to beat that into me.
636
00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:12,280
And it was just, because she felt like, hey, we have a lot of meetings, so we need to just
637
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,280
be best friends.
638
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,400
Oh, wow, they do that.
639
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:16,400
I already got that.
640
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:17,400
I love it.
641
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,320
Well, that's a big compliment for you, Regene.
642
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,040
You took precedent over a real life.
643
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,360
I think if an angel would ask me to beat their BFF, I would have said, sure, there.
644
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:27,840
You see, we have that sentiment.
645
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:28,840
We have that.
646
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,360
I took precedent over a real life angel.
647
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,280
All right, can I ask about this one?
648
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:34,280
This one is longer.
649
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:35,840
I see it.
650
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,160
It's a little peak.
651
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:43,360
First I'm seeing Regene and the nurse are texting back and forth.
652
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:48,200
And the nurses say, I'm blown away by this.
653
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:52,560
By the way, how did the nurses feel when they saw this happening?
654
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:53,560
It varied.
655
00:36:53,560 --> 00:37:00,280
For a lot of this, I'd say about two thirds of this, it was the same nurse.
656
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,600
And this nurse was very spiritual.
657
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,880
So I think maybe that's maybe why it was so much was happening and it was happening with
658
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,840
her, but it wasn't always the case.
659
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:14,920
In fact, the very last one that she had, the last two were different nurses, different
660
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,420
hospitals.
661
00:37:16,420 --> 00:37:20,400
The very last one, she's like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not doing this.
662
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:21,400
I'm not doing this.
663
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:26,520
And I think the one that you have there, I think was one of the nurses that didn't want
664
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:27,520
to deal with it.
665
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,200
And I would always encourage the nurse, I said, just please, just stay with it because this
666
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,320
is how she communicates with me and I just need to know.
667
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,760
But they weren't always receptive about it.
668
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,520
Well, it could be very scary.
669
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:41,520
Yeah.
670
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:47,560
And the one nurse that did see most of it, at one point I had asked her, I said, have
671
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,440
you told anybody about this?
672
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,440
And she's like, absolutely not.
673
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,560
So this one says, let me read it and you guys explain it.
674
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:02,000
If Lisa a hug for me, I will.
675
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,000
Who's Lisa?
676
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,960
Lisa is Ray Jean's daughter.
677
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:10,960
I had finally got to meet her kids for the first time and I just wanted to get a message
678
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,600
to all of them that, you know, I enjoyed meeting them and.
679
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:20,200
Well, the rest of it reads, tell your other kids, I'm glad I got to meet them.
680
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:21,960
Please take care of yourself.
681
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:22,960
Thank you.
682
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:23,960
We all love you.
683
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:24,960
Who's we?
684
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:25,960
And I said that.
685
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,760
So that was my response.
686
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:28,760
Yeah.
687
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:29,760
Your response.
688
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:30,760
Yeah.
689
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:31,760
Okay.
690
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:32,960
I have another question.
691
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:38,840
Because you two were able to communicate back and forth while Terry was in the spiritual
692
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,600
realm.
693
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:42,600
Did you.
694
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:49,240
Ray Jean pass any messages through her to other people that you love that have passed
695
00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:50,240
on?
696
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:52,560
No, you know, and that's such a great question.
697
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:53,760
And I thought about that.
698
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:54,760
Why?
699
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,320
I asked any of that, but I didn't.
700
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:03,640
It was also, well, it was also, I guess it was always kind of a shock that this was actually
701
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,400
happening, but I was just so focused on where are you?
702
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:08,800
Who are you with?
703
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:09,800
Are you coming back?
704
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,360
I mean, I would always ask that, are you coming back?
705
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,560
You know, or fight, you know, come back, you know, you have a lot to live for.
706
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:23,000
I think at first when you were having the NDE's, at first she was like being told, no, it's
707
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,320
not your time.
708
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,560
And it was like you have a choice.
709
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,320
And then at the end, the last one, it wasn't even about that.
710
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,880
It was about just being with the angels and they were just kind of giving you just different
711
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,380
lessons.
712
00:39:36,380 --> 00:39:38,720
Tell me about some of the other NDE's.
713
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:40,320
What things stand out to you?
714
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:41,680
What other things do you remember?
715
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,680
I love the picture of the beautiful garden.
716
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,760
What else might people want to hear about?
717
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,120
That was the last one.
718
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:49,600
Yeah, the last one.
719
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:54,640
That's when I had the air around the heart.
720
00:39:54,640 --> 00:40:01,200
I just found myself always high above again in the presence of the angels.
721
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:06,800
But this time I was kind of like dancing and singing with the cherubs.
722
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:12,080
These cherubs was a little different than what an ordinary cherub would be.
723
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:17,800
They possess like two sets of wings and four faces.
724
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:22,880
One of a man, a man's face, which represented for love.
725
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,840
Then you had the eagle, which represented wisdom.
726
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:32,120
You had a bull for strength and a lion for courage.
727
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,120
That wasn't scary.
728
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:38,320
You would think that they would be scary, you know, four heads, two sets of wings, but
729
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:43,520
they were the most con, compassionate cherubs ever to me.
730
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,120
I mean, well, of course, you know, often do you meet cherubs.
731
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But not too often.
732
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Yeah.
733
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:57,040
So we were just like just sort around, flying around.
734
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,600
But the one thing that stands out to me is that we're flying around to this song called
735
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,040
Dancing in the Sky.
736
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:10,920
And it just hit home for me because it was a way for me to come back to tell Ray Jean
737
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:19,800
exactly what I had seen in all these experiences when I did have my NDAs with the angels and
738
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,440
what it was like.
739
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:27,480
I couldn't wait to get back to play that song for her and to just see how she responded
740
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:33,840
to it to let her know that that's how I was seeing it.
741
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,640
Was that a song you only heard there or is that a song here?
742
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:41,360
That was the first time that I heard that song, but it is a song.
743
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:42,360
Okay.
744
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:43,360
I've never heard it.
745
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,720
So you'll have to send it to me or something.
746
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:47,720
Beautiful.
747
00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:49,520
I never had heard the song either.
748
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:54,360
And then I immediately, you know, YouTube it by Danny and Lizzie.
749
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:55,360
Yeah, Danny and Lizzie.
750
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:56,360
Yeah.
751
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:57,360
Beautiful.
752
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:58,360
Beautiful song.
753
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,480
What kinds of things did you learn from all this?
754
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:07,360
These NDE's are not just for fun and for a show or something.
755
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:08,360
What did you learn?
756
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:14,320
I kind of had a hard life growing up and, you know, when I lost my grandmother, my grandmother,
757
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:21,520
it just, it took a real toll on me because she's the one that kind of kept me just grounded
758
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,280
to know that I was worth something.
759
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:31,280
And then I lost my husband like two or three months before I was diagnosed with my cancer.
760
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:32,280
I was just struggling.
761
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:39,160
I mean, I was in a really hard spot and I don't know if I had to go through these NDE's to
762
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:44,520
understand that I am worth something and that I need to learn to have self-care for
763
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:50,400
self-care and self-love for myself and to see others in a different way than what I
764
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:56,960
was seeing because I was, I was kind of bitter, kind of angry, just not wanting to live.
765
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:01,760
And I had more than enough to live for, I just wasn't seeing it at the time.
766
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:07,680
And I'm not too sure that that's not why I was crashing to learn some lessons, to see
767
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,400
that I still had a point to be here.
768
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,400
And then, you know, finally it's just, it was sinking in that I do have people that do
769
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,440
care for me.
770
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:22,760
You know, not always is your immediate family is the ones that need to be in your life.
771
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,280
It's the ones that want to be in your life.
772
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,000
And I think I needed to be showed that.
773
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:33,040
And again, I mean, I'm still amazed at her because I didn't even know her.
774
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:38,480
I just started working for her in her department and I knew I had cancer and I knew I was going
775
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:39,480
to need time off from work.
776
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:44,080
And I just, yeah, that's when I went to her and, you know, we talked about it and she
777
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,040
offered her support and all that.
778
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,240
And I knew I needed somebody.
779
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:51,920
So that's when I, you know, that's when I decided that I was going to let her be there
780
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,160
for me.
781
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:57,000
That's when I let doctors and all that know that I, that she was going to be my emergency
782
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:02,440
contact because I didn't have anybody else that wanted to be there for me, I should say,
783
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:03,440
in a way that I needed it.
784
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,280
Of course, your kids are going to be there, but you don't want to put all that on your
785
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,400
kids.
786
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:14,560
It just amazes me how a complete stranger can walk into your life not knowing you and
787
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:19,880
just want to be there to help you in the ways that you are needing it at that time in your
788
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:20,880
life.
789
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,000
I know my kids are my life.
790
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:28,440
I know sometimes it's hard for people to understand that and, you know, that, but go through something
791
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:32,240
like that and it'll totally change your mind on some stuff.
792
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:33,740
Sure.
793
00:44:33,740 --> 00:44:38,640
Besides meeting your grandmother, was there anybody else that you knew that you met in
794
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,120
any of these experiences?
795
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:45,360
No, you know, most of the time I was just, just in, in the presence of the angels.
796
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:52,160
And I think again, it was just trying to show me things that I was struggling with in life.
797
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,440
I always wanted to, to see my husband.
798
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,040
I never did.
799
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,760
And I, let's like, me and Rageen talked about it.
800
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:04,000
I think that was a reason, you know, because I grieved him so much.
801
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:09,800
I mean, I've just gotten to hear recently to where it doesn't bother me that he's no
802
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:14,320
longer here because I know where he's at and I know he's better in a better place.
803
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,400
Like at that time, if I had, had any kind of contact with him, I don't think I ever
804
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:23,040
would have returned because I wouldn't have anyone believing.
805
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:27,640
Deeply my heart believed that's why I never had any kind of connection with him during
806
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:28,640
any of that.
807
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:33,920
Do you have any thoughts on other people who may be going through some similar things,
808
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:39,080
whether it's a friend or relative and some kind of a loved one who is going through some
809
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:45,320
really difficult things, whether it's surgeries or whatever?
810
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:50,440
Is there a way that we could actually learn to do some of this communication that you
811
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:51,440
too had?
812
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:57,920
Well, for me, if you're referring to the angels, if you just have a desire to connect, your
813
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,200
angels are always there with you.
814
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:01,400
Just ask.
815
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:08,920
Just be open to receive different ways of knowing that they, they're answering your, your prayers.
816
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:15,880
And as far as finding a friend like Regine, you hear all the time that that friendships,
817
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,320
the hardest thing to find.
818
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,560
And if you find it, don't ever let go of it.
819
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:24,080
Yeah, we, we have our ups and downs, but it's life.
820
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:29,800
You go through struggles, but if you have that one person, and you know, and I struggled
821
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:34,360
at first, I struggled with wanting to let her help me because I felt like I was a burden
822
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:35,360
on her.
823
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:39,880
And I didn't want to place that on her because at that time she was going through some hard
824
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:40,880
stuff.
825
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,840
Everybody's going through something, whether we know it or not, but I struggled with that.
826
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:50,760
That was at one of the times that's when Michael, I was probably in the presence of the angels
827
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,760
and that's when, you know, one time Michael had to print to me that she was there for
828
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:55,960
me.
829
00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,840
If you got that person, let him help you because you definitely need the help.
830
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,000
Well, thank you.
831
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:07,120
Before I let you two go, are there any other lessons that you'd like to share?
832
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,920
I think just to know that love, love never dies.
833
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:10,920
Exactly.
834
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:11,920
It doesn't.
835
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,960
We, we don't, we don't die.
836
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:14,960
We're energy.
837
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:15,960
You can't kill energy.
838
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:16,960
It just transforms.
839
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:23,280
And just to know that we're all, we all have the same entourage of angels and spirit guides
840
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,040
and loved ones around us.
841
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,280
We all have it and we're all worthy of that.
842
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,600
We're all worthy of that love.
843
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:35,400
And I think the reason we're talking about this, as you can tell it, so it's difficult
844
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,320
to talk about and it's, we're still processing it.
845
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,920
We will for years and years.
846
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,800
Just to know that there is an afterlife.
847
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,000
We don't die or loved ones are with us.
848
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:54,720
And in fact, my father who died, who passed when I was, you know, in the early 20s and
849
00:47:54,720 --> 00:48:01,360
my mom and him divorced when I was like five, I have a better relationship in spirit than
850
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:05,720
I had with him when he was actually in a physical form.
851
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:10,960
So I just think that, that hopefully will help those that are grieving the loss of a
852
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:15,680
loved one or that are afraid of death or have actually had an NDE that are trying to process
853
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:16,760
it themselves.
854
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:17,760
They're not crazy.
855
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,680
Yeah, they're the other side.
856
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,160
They're much better off on the other side.
857
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,280
I mean, they're happy.
858
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:30,960
They're, they're, they're in no more pain if they was in pain while they were here.
859
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,680
Just knowing that helps me.
860
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:38,320
Terry, you mentioned earlier about feeling no worries, feeling comfortable.
861
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,200
Were there any other feelings that were there?
862
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,960
Some people describe love and other things like that.
863
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,920
Oh, there's nothing but love on the other side.
864
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,080
That's all you feel.
865
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:56,360
There's love, compassion, I just, I wish everybody just had a chance to just do it once and
866
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:01,720
then they would know that they would just, they would know how of an awesome place it
867
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:04,920
is because there's no worries.
868
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,560
There's, there's no hurt.
869
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,560
There's no bad.
870
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:09,760
There's no ugly.
871
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,440
And here we have all that.
872
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:13,940
All right.
873
00:49:13,940 --> 00:49:17,520
Thank you so much, Regine Bailey and Terry Masters.
874
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:18,520
Thank you.
875
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,240
Thank you for being with me.
876
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:23,400
We'll have your link to your book and the show notes.
877
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:24,400
Wow.
878
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,160
Story blew me away.
879
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:27,160
Thank you.
880
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,560
Thank you for having me.
881
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,360
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