Vania Sees Her Father and Jesus During NDE

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From the time that they pronounced me dead was

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a good 45 minutes. They cut my clothes and then

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they paddled. My heart, my heart had stopped

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and I could see people screaming and crying but

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I didn't realise that was actually my physical

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body because I was somewhere else. The only thing

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that I could feel if you could imagine absolute

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love and peace, there wasn't anything else to

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be felt. I was greeted by people I had known

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in the past. I'm back home again. Incredibly

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safe and felt at home. Welcome, welcome to Round

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Trip Death, everybody. And I have a very special

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guest that you're absolutely going to love today.

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Vanya Valtriani. Good morning, Vanya. How are

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you? Good morning, Eric. Very good. Thank you

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for the invitation. Good. I can't wait for everybody

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to hear about your near -death experience and

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lots of other things that you have learned. First,

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60 seconds or so, tell us a little bit about

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you. Who are you? Where do you come from? My

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name is Vania Votriani. I'm from Brazil, the

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southeast of Brazil, São Paulo. I am a mom. Well,

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I am a wife, mom, and grandma in this order.

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How many grandkids? Three. Two boys and one girl.

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And the kids are the same. No, the opposite.

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The two girls and one boy. I study business administration

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in my country. I work a lot in many companies

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in Brazil. But then we decided to come to Provo,

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Utah, where we are living now for 12 years now.

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That must have been a culture shock. Yes. But

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we learn a lot about this and do you know I learned

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a lot about Brazilian people more after I leave

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my country Because here I have another people

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to compare others ethnic so we can see the difference

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That's interesting. All right. Well, let's without

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further ado as they say, let's go ahead. I'm

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just checking my notes here You had a stroke

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a little over 10 years ago. You were awfully

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young. Was there some medical situation that

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brought on your stroke? Never had any problem

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before. Never strong headache, nothing, nothing.

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Well, my dad, my mom told me that my dad had

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the same stroke that I have in the same age I

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was, 45 years old. Maybe this is genetic. I don't

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know. Hopefully you didn't pass it on to your

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children. Yes, I hope and I'm taking care and

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help them to take care of their self to not have

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the same. I learned it to help them. Well, let's

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go ahead and jump into it. So tell me what happened

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with your health and while you were in the hospital.

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Take it away. OK, well, just summarize this.

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We were living here for one year when I was working

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in many different things, because I was a woman

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that always worked a lot in my country. So when

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I arrived here, I said, what I can do here? I

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cannot use many of my knowledge here. my degree.

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So I start working in something very different.

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My life was totally different here in Provo than

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in Sao Paulo because I started working doing

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Brazilian entertainment. We were doing Brazilian

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food, Brazilian parties, traditional Brazilian

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parties with the community that live here with

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us. And there's a lot of Brazilian people here

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in Provo, more than I thought. So I think I was

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working hard, stressful, a little, not stressful

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a lot. I think that contribute for me because

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we were organizing a traditional Brazilian party

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in a big park here in Provo. It was July 14th,

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21st. While we were dancing the traditional dance,

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that we have in this activity, I felt a very,

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very horrible pain in my brain. I can only describe

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this like if someone hit me with a hot knife

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in my brain and turned this. It was so bad that

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I vomited and then I fell down. After that, I

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just woke up after four days. And while This

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happened, what I can tell you is what my husband

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told me. He told me that they called to the ambulance

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and it arrived in four minutes, very, very fast.

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And I was took to the hospital and they detected

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that I had a stroke and I was taken to the surgery

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and my husband and some friend that was with

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him in the party was in the hospital with them.

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with him and my kids after the doctor arrived

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after the surgery and he told to my husband that

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two veins blast in my brain, a lot of blood in

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my brain, and that they couldn't do anything.

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There's nothing they can do and I will die. And

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the doctor told to my husband. She has zero percent

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of chance to survive. He told it this way because

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my husband was here with me for one year and

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our English was not so good in that time. And

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we have a very good friend, a leader, a bishop

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that was with him trying to translate everything.

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My husband just asked to him if he could. could

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give me a bless is a normal thing that we as

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a member do and he gave me the bless and I stay

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in coma for three days and in the fourth day

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I wake up. I just was curious did you have a

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long recovery after that or were you better quite

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quickly? No it was a long recovery i was for

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almost forty days in the recovery center in the

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hospital wow it took a long time to me to learn

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again doing simple things like brush my teeth

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eat by myself without making a mess like a kid

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be in. How can I say this in English? I think

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it's equilibrium, balance, to walk in. Well,

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everything was very difficult, especially speak.

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You look like you've made a full recovery. So

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that is fantastic. I'm so happy for you. I don't

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have anything, anything. I have anything. The

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doctor, well, the hospital, every day someone

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knock in my door in the hospital. and tell to

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me and my husband, we came to see the miracle

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because the whole hospital is talking about her.

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And people that was working on the hospital came

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to my room and wanna see me because the doctor

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could not explain what happened. But I know what

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happened because I had a very special experience

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while I was in coma. And I wanna tell you about

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this. I wanna tell to everybody. Please do. We

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want to hear all about it. I want all the detail.

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So go ahead and tell us what you remembered after

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you woke up. Well, when I woke up, the first

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person that I saw was my husband with my youngest

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girl. She was eight years old and my best friend

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and a nurse. And I started trying to speak, but

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it was the most difficult thing that I was trying

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to do. It was so difficult. But I was trying

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to speak in English. When my husband started

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speaking Portuguese with me, I couldn't understand

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nothing he was telling me. I realized and they

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realized that I couldn't understand or speak

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Portuguese, my own language. My friend and the

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nurse started speaking me. in English, and I

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was trying to tell them, but I only repeat, I

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was with my dad. I was with Jesus. I repeated

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this for a long time, many times, and my husband

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after told me, we are thinking that you are,

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I don't know, I don't know the word in English.

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You are not in your normal. brain or normal way,

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because you only say, I was with my dad, I was

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with Jesus, I saw my dad, and my dad already

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died for 16 years ago. But I wake up with those

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memories in my brain, especially two of them

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that I want to tell you, that I tell to everybody

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in my channel and in my book. I wake up with

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two memories. The first one was that I was in

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a hospital room and I saw something, but it was

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very, very different and very difficult for me

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to explain. I'll try to explain. I was in that

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situation that I was not feeling anything bad.

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This is the most thing that came to my mind.

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I was feeling good and peace and normal. But

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for me, it was like if I was in a condition that

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I knew something that I knew before. I don't

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know how to explain this. And I looked to something.

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I looked to a room. It was a hospital room. And

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I saw some professionals, some doctors or doctors

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working in someone that was laid down. It took

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a time for me to realize that that person was

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me. She was totally different. Let me explain

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in a way that you can understand. I think that

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when we are in our body, we have five senses.

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But I think that we are only a spirit. You have

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much more sense. I was feeling the whole, the

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whole place in back, inside. It was not only

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what I was looking for. So I think we have much

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more sense. when we are spirit. I am sure about

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this. Well, and that vania that was laid down

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on the table looks like in 3D for me. And I was

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surprised. And then I realized that was me. And

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in the feet where I was laid down, in my feet

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in the table or bed, I don't know how to say

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this in English, I saw something very special.

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There was a big light and I saw my dad. I wasn't

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surprised to saw my dad and I wasn't afraid to

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see that I was that woman laid down because for

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me it looks like I wasn't that person laid down.

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I look and I couldn't feel that I was her. I

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was not afraid about anything. It's totally different

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than we see in those Hollywood movies, oh I'm

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dying, that one is me. No, it's not nothing like

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this for me at least wasn't like this and I was

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feeling good and with The vision of my dad I

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was feeling something very good coming from here

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to me. It was something very good I think it

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was his love my dad he died When he was 74 years

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old from cancer, but that man that I was looking

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was totally different Eric. He was like my dad

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that I remember when I was seven or eight years

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old. He was so great. But there was something

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in him that I never saw in this life, in his

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face in this life. I don't know how I explain

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this. It looks like he was totally, I don't have

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words even in Portuguese to tell him. He just

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opened his arm and he said, daughter. But he

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never used his mouth. He didn't use his mouth.

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He spoke this in my brain, in my mind. I think

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it was from his mind to my mind. And I just told

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him, I love that, but I have to stay with her.

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And her was me. Lay down. But I don't know how.

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Why I say this way? Because I felt that that

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one was not me. That's why I say I have to stay

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with her. And that is the memory that I have

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with my dad. If I had something else, I don't

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know. I don't remember. Well, the other memory

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that arrived with me when I woke up after the

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coma was very bad. It was totally different,

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Eric. Totally different. The memory that came

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and that I was trying to tell them but I couldn't,

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it was so difficult to speak, was a very afraid

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memory. I remember very clearly that I was back

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in my body and I knew that I was alone in a hospital

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room. I don't know how, but I knew that I was

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back. And I feel, I felt that nobody was with

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me in the room. I don't know how I felt this.

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I was feeling that I was dying. I was feeling

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cold, petrified, terrified. I was feeling a lot

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of pain in my body. I was feeling a lot of cold

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in my feet. And I was freeze, I couldn't move.

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But the most worst thing was in my throat. looked

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like something was in my throat that I couldn't

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breathe or that I was feeling so bad. And I was

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very afraid. And something came to my mind. I

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think, I am dying alone in the hospital. And

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then I say, what I can do? And I start praying.

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And I pray to God to help me. And I just ask

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for help. That is something very needed. in my

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mind when I woke up. And I told them, yeah, I

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was trying to tell them, but my husband said

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that nobody understand nothing that I was trying

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to say, even in English, that people that was

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speaking English because my English was so bad.

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Well, I was trying to tell them that I was praying

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and that I felt something very strong in my left

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side of the bed. And I, I trying to to see what

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was this, but I was only feeling, I was feeling

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that was something very powerful in my left side

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of the bed. I don't know if I saw this wonderful

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light and this wonderful image in my brain because

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probably I was with my eyes closed, but maybe

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my spiritual eyes, I don't know how explain this.

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But I saw a face, and the most amazing thing

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on that face that made me very emotional even

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today, ten years ago, was the eyes. The two eyes

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that I never saw something like this. It looks

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like he has the sun or fire inside his eyes.

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It was true flame. I don't know how to explain

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this. The eyes was so impressive that I almost

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don't remember everything in his face detail.

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I remember the nose, this part and the mouth,

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but the eyes was the most impressive. It looks

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like I was going down, dipping down in his eyes.

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And I remember that I say, I think Lord send

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me an angel. to help me or this is the angel

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that came to pick up me I don't know I was afraid

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but he took my hands when he took my hands I

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was feeling this is not an angel I can feel his

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hand in my hand my left hand and he said two

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things for me in my brain in my mind he never

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used his mouth to he said two things and the

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first thing I was why he is telling me this He

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said, we are very happy with your missionary.

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He's doing a great work. And in that moment,

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I realized that he was telling about my son.

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My son in that time was serving as a volunteer

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missionary in Guatemala service. And I say, why

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he is telling about my son while I'm dying? And

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then the second thing he said, your husband is

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a man very faithful. Because of this, he will

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see some miracle in his life. And then he told

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me for three times the same thing, everything

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will be all right. For three times he said this.

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While he was telling this, Eric, I felt something

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coming from here to me. Looks like something

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physical touching me, surrounding me, like a

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blank or a warm thing, very good thing. And I

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stopped feeling. The thing that I was feeling,

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I didn't feel nothing more pain or cold or freeze

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or petrified or pain in my head. I was feeling

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something coming and surrounding me and looks

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like he was courting me or something like this.

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And then in that moment, something came to my

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mind and I realized that he was not an angel.

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And I thought, This is His love. He is my savor.

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And because of this love, He died for us. He

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is our savor. Because of this love that I'm feeling,

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something that I never felt before, something

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that is totally difficult to explain, is not

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something like we feel. Because I am a mom and

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a grandma. And I know that grandma love are the

00:20:02.579 --> 00:20:06.680
most amazing love that people in the world consider

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great. But that thing that I was feeling was

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too much more than grandma or grandmother loves.

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I don't know how to explain this, but it was

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something physical that was surrounding me. But

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I feel that was something powerful that was make

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me feel so bad. And I don't remember anything

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else. If something else happened, I don't remember.

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That is awesome. All right, I get to ask some

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questions now. OK, you can ask me whatever you

00:20:41.069 --> 00:20:45.309
want. I don't understand why you had the fear

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and the memory of feeling alone in your hospital

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room. Do you have any more insight on that? Why

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do you think that happened? Well, I I thought

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about this for almost 40 days while I was in

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recovery center. I wrote with very difficult

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because my hand was very difficult to write.

00:21:07.019 --> 00:21:09.440
My husband helped me to write something that

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I taught him. I was telling him and he was trying

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to write and I read and I said, it's not this,

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go again. So I don't know why I was feeling...

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alone or fear. But I had a conclusion that maybe

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is not the correct, but I am a simple person.

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I am not an expert about anything of this. After

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this happened with me, I read and read everything

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and watched everything that I can about the experience.

00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:48.380
I think that I felt I was back in my body. Maybe

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that is why. I was feeling afraid because of

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that bad feeling that I was feeling. Well, Eric,

00:21:58.799 --> 00:22:03.440
I have a vivid memory in my mind about how is

00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:09.000
to be without a body, out of your body. And that

00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:14.960
memory is so good. I was feeling so good. I was

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feeling peace. I was feeling... I don't have

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words to say, but be back in this body is terrible.

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It was terrible. Maybe because I was sick with

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the brain damage. Maybe that's the reason I was

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afraid. I don't have any other answer for you.

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That completely makes sense to me. Yeah. Because

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you felt, well, the love of your father and of

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Jesus. and just being out of your body felt so

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wonderful that now being away from that and back

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in reality here on earth and in your body, that

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would feel like a huge difference, a huge paradigm

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shift, right? So it makes sense that you would

00:23:02.130 --> 00:23:06.750
feel all kinds of things. And the aloneness can

00:23:06.750 --> 00:23:12.430
also feel very similar to, I miss That person

00:23:12.430 --> 00:23:16.430
or that feeling that I just had right? Yeah,

00:23:16.430 --> 00:23:20.789
you told me everything Those are very similar

00:23:20.789 --> 00:23:23.170
emotions, so I think it's normal that you would

00:23:23.170 --> 00:23:26.789
feel that way I'll never forget this memories

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Ten years ago, but I can't and I don't want to

00:23:30.769 --> 00:23:35.250
forget this No, and I can see why you want to

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share it with everybody and I want to just interject

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something really quickly here because Every once

00:23:41.430 --> 00:23:44.750
in a while I get a comment from a listener saying,

00:23:45.549 --> 00:23:48.190
oh, that guest you had on mentioned they have

00:23:48.190 --> 00:23:50.829
a book out, so they're just trying to make money

00:23:50.829 --> 00:23:56.269
on this. And not everybody is that way. In fact,

00:23:56.430 --> 00:23:59.509
when I was talking with you, Vanya, the other

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day, you mentioned I'm not trying to make any

00:24:02.430 --> 00:24:06.109
money on this book. In fact, if I remember right,

00:24:06.150 --> 00:24:10.559
the audio version is actually free. I just want

00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:13.579
to tell to people. You do need to cover printing

00:24:13.579 --> 00:24:17.140
and stuff like that, but your motivation is just

00:24:17.140 --> 00:24:20.339
to get your experience out to everybody. And

00:24:20.339 --> 00:24:23.440
we thank you for that. And if anybody is judging

00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:27.720
you for that, then shame on them. Yes, I have

00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:30.960
to tell you, because this is my mission. I think

00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:35.779
that, well, I know that someday. Pay attention.

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Someday, you, Eric, me, you that are listening,

00:24:41.750 --> 00:24:46.589
will be in front of Jesus for our judgment about

00:24:46.589 --> 00:24:48.789
everything that we did in our life here in this

00:24:48.789 --> 00:24:52.410
earth. And when He asks me, what you did with

00:24:52.410 --> 00:24:56.410
your miracle, I want to tell Him that I did everything

00:24:56.410 --> 00:25:00.670
that I could to tell people that He is real,

00:25:01.509 --> 00:25:06.359
as real as you and me, because I saw Him. And

00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:09.960
He is alive in another way, in a perfect way.

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And in a perfect way that we can be too, if we

00:25:13.660 --> 00:25:16.519
follow Him. There is a lot of religion. I don't

00:25:16.519 --> 00:25:18.920
know what is your religion, but Jesus is the

00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:22.839
same. We have to follow Him. He is real. And

00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:25.559
this is my mission. He brought me back to tell

00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:30.150
people that He is real. That's why I have to

00:25:30.150 --> 00:25:33.130
write. I wrote a book in three languages because

00:25:33.130 --> 00:25:37.150
more people can listen. This is very cheap and

00:25:37.150 --> 00:25:41.309
you can have for free in Kindle or you can listen

00:25:41.309 --> 00:25:44.190
my story in my channel for free too. I don't

00:25:44.190 --> 00:25:46.410
want to gain money with this. I just want to

00:25:46.410 --> 00:25:49.609
tell to everybody what happened. To help them

00:25:49.609 --> 00:25:52.250
to understand that life is much more than this

00:25:52.250 --> 00:25:54.859
that we see. And by the way, we'll put a link

00:25:54.859 --> 00:25:57.680
in the show notes so everybody can find it. All

00:25:57.680 --> 00:26:00.279
right, I have another question for you. I think

00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:03.539
it's so cool that you saw your dad and had communication

00:26:03.539 --> 00:26:06.859
with your dad. And you said, and I think you

00:26:06.859 --> 00:26:10.380
said something like, he looked like when I was

00:26:10.380 --> 00:26:13.299
seven or eight years old. How old would he have

00:26:13.299 --> 00:26:17.880
been at that time? Well, when I was seven, he

00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:21.890
was 40, 39 or 40, something like this. Because

00:26:21.890 --> 00:26:26.890
I was born when he was 32, 33. Okay, can you

00:26:26.890 --> 00:26:29.509
tell us anything else about what he looked like?

00:26:29.930 --> 00:26:32.730
What his demeanor was like? Did he seem happy?

00:26:33.730 --> 00:26:37.170
Well, happy is not the main thing that came into

00:26:37.170 --> 00:26:42.589
my mind, but it was whole, complete, in peace.

00:26:43.549 --> 00:26:48.490
It was... Let me see if I have other... Happy...

00:26:48.490 --> 00:26:52.829
I think happy is a... something that came with

00:26:52.829 --> 00:26:57.769
others most important adjective. And I think

00:26:57.769 --> 00:27:00.349
he was happy, but this is not the main thing

00:27:00.349 --> 00:27:06.029
that came to my mind. He was calm. He was complete,

00:27:06.430 --> 00:27:10.269
whole. He was in peace. That is the main thing

00:27:10.269 --> 00:27:13.869
that keep in my mind with this memory. And he

00:27:13.869 --> 00:27:19.509
was so, so strong and... Not young, but he was

00:27:19.509 --> 00:27:23.549
very, very young that he was when he died, but

00:27:23.549 --> 00:27:29.450
he was, he was amazing. I want to see him again

00:27:29.450 --> 00:27:33.190
and I know that I will see him again. And can

00:27:33.190 --> 00:27:36.170
you give us a little bit more explanation about,

00:27:36.549 --> 00:27:39.450
I believe you were talking about Jesus when you

00:27:39.450 --> 00:27:41.910
said you saw his face and you were describing

00:27:41.910 --> 00:27:45.789
his eyes, which was beautiful. Can you give us

00:27:45.789 --> 00:27:48.990
any more description there? When I woke up, I

00:27:48.990 --> 00:27:52.809
was in the hospital thinking about the main thing.

00:27:53.490 --> 00:27:58.150
How I realized He was Jesus. When did I realize

00:27:58.150 --> 00:28:01.869
He was not an angel, He was Jesus? I had a conclusion.

00:28:02.750 --> 00:28:07.309
I realized He was not an angel, He was Jesus.

00:28:07.809 --> 00:28:11.509
When I felt His love curing me or bringing me

00:28:11.509 --> 00:28:14.930
back and helping me to stop feeling those...

00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:18.940
horrible thing that I was feeling. And then something

00:28:18.940 --> 00:28:21.779
came to my mind that made me afraid. I said,

00:28:22.660 --> 00:28:26.059
this is his love? This is the way that he loves

00:28:26.059 --> 00:28:30.559
me? He is screaming, making me feel very good

00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:34.960
again? Then I realized, this is not an angel.

00:28:35.660 --> 00:28:40.240
This is our savior because he is the only one

00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:44.549
that has his kind of love. that can cure us,

00:28:44.769 --> 00:28:49.670
that can bring us back, that make us feel comfortable.

00:28:50.309 --> 00:28:53.490
When I woke up in the hospital, the first week

00:28:53.490 --> 00:28:55.970
was the most difficult for me. Do you know why,

00:28:56.109 --> 00:28:59.490
Eric? I was crying every day, because I don't

00:28:59.490 --> 00:29:02.549
want to be back. I want to stay with him, feeling

00:29:02.549 --> 00:29:06.069
that love. I want to stay with him. I was saying,

00:29:06.210 --> 00:29:08.769
I don't want to be back. And then I was trying

00:29:08.769 --> 00:29:12.420
to... convinced me, Vânia, you almost die, you

00:29:12.420 --> 00:29:15.779
have a family, you have three kids, you have

00:29:15.779 --> 00:29:18.759
a lot of things to live, you have to live, you

00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:22.579
have to say thank you. But I was only thinking

00:29:22.579 --> 00:29:26.759
about that situation, that feeling that I was

00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:30.660
feeling while I was with him, surround me with

00:29:30.660 --> 00:29:34.500
his love. I just want to stay that way, not be

00:29:34.500 --> 00:29:37.289
back. I just want to stay that way. I try to

00:29:37.289 --> 00:29:40.289
live in a way that I can be back surrounded by

00:29:40.289 --> 00:29:44.630
that love because this is most important than

00:29:44.630 --> 00:29:48.589
the air that we breathe. We don't know about

00:29:48.589 --> 00:29:51.250
these things. We don't understand these things

00:29:51.250 --> 00:29:54.549
and I try to explain what is difficult. How else

00:29:54.549 --> 00:29:57.450
would you explain that love? You're a mother

00:29:57.450 --> 00:30:00.609
and a grandmother and you love those children

00:30:00.609 --> 00:30:03.930
and those grandchildren. Was it more than that

00:30:03.930 --> 00:30:08.240
even? Yes, because do you know, let me try to

00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:12.880
explain. I love my kids. And I think many mom

00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:18.220
will agree with me. When our kid frustrates a

00:30:18.220 --> 00:30:22.799
mom, when our kid disappoints a mom, we have

00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:27.700
to deal with this. But we deal with this in a

00:30:27.700 --> 00:30:32.349
situation as mortal and imperfect. person that

00:30:32.349 --> 00:30:36.470
I am and that we are. Jesus' love doesn't change

00:30:36.470 --> 00:30:42.390
because our bad shows, bad situation. It doesn't

00:30:42.390 --> 00:30:45.970
change the love of Jesus for us. Someone that

00:30:45.970 --> 00:30:50.950
we love does something that hurts me. When someone

00:30:50.950 --> 00:30:53.490
does something that disappoints me or makes me

00:30:53.490 --> 00:30:58.049
very sad or makes something bad for me, sometimes

00:30:58.049 --> 00:31:01.380
I have some feelings that I have to deal. as

00:31:01.380 --> 00:31:04.940
a mom, as a wife, or brother, sister, whatever.

00:31:05.740 --> 00:31:10.740
But Jesus has the power to not change His love

00:31:10.740 --> 00:31:15.140
for us, independent of what I did. If I did something

00:31:15.140 --> 00:31:18.859
very bad, He still loves us in the same way.

00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:22.539
That is amazing. That is the way that we have

00:31:22.539 --> 00:31:26.079
to learn to love. I'm trying to do this for 10

00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:30.200
years, Eric. I'm trying to do this with my husband,

00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:34.380
with my kids, with my mom, brother, or friend,

00:31:34.700 --> 00:31:38.180
everybody that disappoint me, or do something

00:31:38.180 --> 00:31:45.099
that can make me something bad, or feel something

00:31:45.099 --> 00:31:50.619
sad because of something that people do for us.

00:31:50.980 --> 00:31:55.519
But the love of Jesus doesn't change. Doesn't

00:31:55.519 --> 00:32:00.019
change. Depending on what I do, it doesn't change.

00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:03.119
Well, I'm very emotional. I don't know how my

00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:06.160
English is going on. So just tell me if you don't

00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:09.920
understand. Your English is doing great. And

00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:12.960
I appreciate the explanation because a lot of

00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:16.299
people feel like when they hear the term judgment

00:32:16.299 --> 00:32:18.299
that there's going to be a judgment someday.

00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:22.259
In our human, you know, and especially our English

00:32:22.259 --> 00:32:26.059
language, that seems to come with punishment.

00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:30.200
Yes. Or you get less love because you weren't

00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:34.099
perfect and things like that. So I really appreciate

00:32:34.099 --> 00:32:36.799
the way that you're explaining it. Before I let

00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:40.359
you go today, before we wrap up, I just wondered,

00:32:40.500 --> 00:32:42.259
is there anything else that you feel like you

00:32:42.259 --> 00:32:48.019
want to share with everybody? Wow, a lot. No,

00:32:48.039 --> 00:32:51.559
that's okay. If I have two minutes, that is enough.

00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:55.579
what I want to tell to everybody that is listening

00:32:55.579 --> 00:32:59.660
to me. The first thing, I am not a perfect person

00:32:59.660 --> 00:33:03.619
because of this experience. I'm committing mistakes,

00:33:04.059 --> 00:33:08.740
I'm trying to be better every day, but I learned

00:33:08.740 --> 00:33:13.920
from Jesus that I'm doing great. Sometimes some

00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:19.069
voice came to our minds to judge us. and to tell

00:33:19.069 --> 00:33:22.089
us that we are not able to do that, you are bad,

00:33:22.190 --> 00:33:26.029
you are not so good, there's no way for you to

00:33:26.029 --> 00:33:29.130
be better, you are in a situation that Jesus

00:33:29.130 --> 00:33:33.710
will not hit you again, you are so low. This,

00:33:33.950 --> 00:33:37.970
everything came from the hell. Send back to her,

00:33:38.170 --> 00:33:44.450
okay? You are a son of God, and Jesus is your

00:33:44.450 --> 00:33:48.769
Savior, my Savior, our Savior. He is the person

00:33:48.769 --> 00:33:51.849
that most loves you, more than your mom and your

00:33:51.849 --> 00:33:56.529
grandma too. He loves you. Independent, what

00:33:56.529 --> 00:34:00.509
you are, what you have done, what your choice,

00:34:00.890 --> 00:34:05.289
He loves you. Because of His love and because

00:34:05.289 --> 00:34:11.530
of this, you can be better. Trust in yourself

00:34:11.530 --> 00:34:16.179
because of Jesus. He is the one that can help

00:34:16.179 --> 00:34:19.860
you to complete the part that you are not able

00:34:19.860 --> 00:34:23.340
to complete. Trust him. He's your best friend.

00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:27.940
Make him your best friend. He is someone that

00:34:27.940 --> 00:34:32.739
is waiting for us. That's why I'm here. And I'm

00:34:32.739 --> 00:34:35.960
so glad that he gave me this opportunity to be

00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:40.150
back, to live this experience. He gave me the

00:34:40.150 --> 00:34:43.769
opportunity to see the life in a different way.

00:34:44.510 --> 00:34:47.329
Things that was very important for me was not

00:34:47.329 --> 00:34:51.710
so important more. Do you know why? Because we

00:34:51.710 --> 00:34:56.989
think and we consider and we give much value

00:34:56.989 --> 00:35:01.190
to think that we'll stay here in this earth.

00:35:01.309 --> 00:35:04.429
You will not take this with you. You only take

00:35:04.429 --> 00:35:08.329
with you the relationship that you develop. the

00:35:08.329 --> 00:35:11.929
help that you gave to someone, the service, the

00:35:11.929 --> 00:35:14.969
love that you felt. So that is the thing that

00:35:14.969 --> 00:35:17.690
you take with you when you live this earth and

00:35:17.690 --> 00:35:22.090
this body. I don't think that you have to be

00:35:22.090 --> 00:35:26.170
something that don't study, don't achieve your

00:35:26.170 --> 00:35:29.070
goals, don't gain money. No, I'm not telling

00:35:29.070 --> 00:35:33.010
you this. I'm just telling you that is not the

00:35:33.010 --> 00:35:36.630
most important thing, okay? If you want to be

00:35:36.630 --> 00:35:40.099
my friend, I will love to speak with you. Just

00:35:40.099 --> 00:35:43.400
contact me. Facebook, Instagram, my channel.

00:35:44.260 --> 00:35:48.500
I am here to answer some questions for you. Maybe

00:35:48.500 --> 00:35:51.960
I can help you. I'm here for this. Last question.

00:35:52.460 --> 00:35:55.559
On a scale of one to ten, how much fear of death

00:35:55.559 --> 00:36:02.000
do you have? I'm waiting for this because it's

00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:11.969
amazing. Well. Negative one or zero. Good answer,

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good answer. Vania Valtriani, thank you so much

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for being with me today. Thank you to help me

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to have this opportunity to tell to people about

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this. Thanks again for listening and sharing

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